Yes, milstew, did you explain to your children that you moved to that neighborhood because you didn't want to live near black people?

Dag, where will I go now to get my freak on?

i moved to this town 12 years ago,we came from down south,now you want to talk racism,well there you go.My children asked one day why all the kids in the school were white.i didnt know why.there were no people of color in our neighborhood,it was like they just didnt allow it.My children were raised not to dislike anyone because of there skin color.I find children learn racism in the home,which is very wrong,if you dont like people of color,thats fine but dont teach your children to be the same way you are.Do i find this town racist?Not as much as the joker is carrying on about it.What i do find is alot of closed minds.I find a percentage of janesvilles population does not like anyone or anything that is different,but you find that in every city.Do i think corvinas was closed down due to racism?Absolutely not!There was a time a few years ago that the looking glass was in front of the board for nothng but problems,then there was the great story about quotes in trouble with them also,and im sure other establishments have had their problems also.When something goes wrong the easiest thing for them to do is pull out the race card,because they dont know what else to do.It was probably for the best it was closed down,and sometimes i think that quotes should be closed also,but its not my decision,and when it was the hilltop it was a filthy dump also,i went in there to eat and it was just not clean enough and i left.Now remember thats my opinion,right or wrong thats what i thought of that place.If she couldnt pay her bills and control her clientel,how did she think she was going to run a successful establishment.I see these people did not know how to run a business,maybe her next venture she will be thought out alot better.

sweet31eve: Maybe racism is a problem here, but on who's part?

joker: did I hurt your feeling? too bad so sad go blow it out your #$% somewhere else ...

Exactly! If you don't want to draw negative attention to your establishment, keep the negative ones out.

sweet31eve - You have to be kidding me!
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Do you suppose maybe the police targeted the place once someone was stabbed outside or the fights broke out outside? There's a revelation.

DiGriz-Good post. Too bad it is so hard for the Joker to wrap his little mind around what is so obvious to everyone else.

Sweet..... should wonder why he imagined that the police targeted Corvina's when a police officer saw a black person walk into that bar. What inner turmoil is he or she grappling with?

woohoo...yippee.....too bad the sad attempt to use the race card didn't work!!!! Thank goodness! Bring Hilltop Back! That was a wonderful place to eat...and a very nice atmosphere. I am so happy that I can say I am proud of Janesville for one thing, trying to keep our community safe. That is to be thankful for. There are many things I disagree with the city on, but this one, I totally agree! Thank you!

No, Sweet. Your comment: "but the fact remains that bar was targeted by police the minute a cop on patrol drove by one night and watched a black man walk into the establishment." is insulting to both our city and our police officers. The trouble started when there were fights in the middle of the street, and later a stabbing between the patrons...
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There are black men all over downtown....at every bar! How come Corvina's is the only one to be targeted? Legends isn't. Quotes isn't. Main Street isn't. Wiggy's isn't. There are black people there, too. You want to know what isn't at these bars, but is at Corvina's? Violence, unpaid bills, etc. That's why Corvina's is closed. Not because there are black people there. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a bar in Janesville left open...find a different argument, because yours just doesn't hold up.

What I've found in life is that those who brag what they have, usually don't have a pot to p*** in or a window to throw it out. The ones who complain that they're broke, usually have a stash somewhere. IMO

sweet......, you are trying to deal with your own racism by projecting it onto others. In that case, feel free to expand on your thoughts regarding "racism" in Janesville.

Interesting..just change the name and all the problems will go away.

Joker, I have to agree with you on this one. Racism is very much an issue in Janesville. Yes, the owner should have paid her bills bottom line. That's reason for shutting down, but the fact remains that bar was targeted by police the minute a cop on patrol drove by one night and watched a black man walk into the establishment. Wake up. Or at least admit it. Denial doesn't mean it isn't happening people. Racism is a problem in Janesville!

Thank God and Grey Hound, (or in this instance...JTS) they're gone!

Joker...were you ever downtown at bartime when the problems occurred? I am not proud to admitt I hang out downtown more than I should. I have seen the fights outside of most of them bars and the cops handle them as best they can. Its usually chaos. I saw the problems outside of Corvinas first hand. Fights start inside and spill outside. Were the people involved black? Yes. Quotes and Looking glass have had same probs from time to time and get called to alcohol committee too and work to fix the probs. Corvinas gets called out and its racist. Some of my friends heard about guns being brought there. Why do you think they need a metal detector? White...black...brown.....is this the kind of bar we want? Im glad its gone.

successful (below)

He who feels the need to proclaim his greatness the loudest is likely not great nor succesful. Sure, Joker, you may have accumulated financial gains, but you certainly don't garner respect by proclaiming your opinion as the only valid point and then backing it up by thumping your chest like a gorilla.

Maybe I'm wrong - but probably not.

sarahb1 you have a job now last time i heard you talk of jobs you could not do much because of some problems you had walking and standing. that is good you are working.

Some of you on this board are a broken record. If you are too dense to see that race did play a part in this bar closing, then I can't help you. I am trying to open your eyes to logic and reason. Sure, she had financial problems. But this issue came much later in the overall scheme of things. Much of the attention was brought on by citizen's and JPD concerns of the color of people's skin at the bar. Any other bar downtown has people outside but there is no issue there. Why? Guess what color these people's skin is? Janesville has always had poor race relations and this is just another example.

Mickey and wesgonsin, sounds like you are just jealous of my success. It is not my problem that you are not. I have worked hard to get where I am today and have the talents and skills to continue to be successful. Also, I carry little if any debt. I suggest you try doing the same.

Spark, I am not negative. I am right and that is why I point these things out. Get that through your thick skull.

Justaguy, who do you think you are, telling me to be quiet and post elsewhere? You have a lot of nerve to attack me. I actually contribute quite a bit of common sense, logic and reason to these boards. And I will not feel guilty about being well off and successful.

mespl-You will never get an answer from Joker, because he can't answer. He is wrong. Actually, all of his posts concerning this are wrong, and he knows it.

joker, are you really B'moon? You think and talk just like her. She also tries to create an an air of success about her while at the same time responding to a bunch of nonsense banging around in her head. She, too, reeks with demagoguery that is based in her own racism.

In order for the negative reaction to what was going on at Corvina's to be racism, you'd have to claim that the great majority of black people approve of what was going on there. This is not the case. You're placing black people in a bad light. You are doing this because you are a racist. It's only a question of: do you know you are a racist? or are you too dumb to know it?

PS: Your claim of daily perusing your "portfolio" only reveals that your failure with the opposite sex requires that you pay chronic attention to yourself.

I think we need to invest in basic grammar education for half of this board!!

Joker, you must suffer from severe insecurity - bragging about one's prosperity (portfolio) is the best indication that you have financial instability, tremendous self doubt, or not much manhood. Why do you feel such a necessity to validate yourself so loudly? You're a funny guy.

Fail

Congrats Joker , you still have the abilty to get people going ! You will forever amaze me .

SarahB1 - Actually, no. The Gazette printed a story that made it appear everyone was racist because the owners made it sound that way in the article. Come on, you don't really believe that crap. This has absolutely nothing to do with racism. Do you see people being stabbed, etc every weekend at bars? I'm not sure what bars you're driving by, but the ones I've been at have no problems. It's about picking where you go. This dump and Quotes are poor examples of a well run establishment.

proartist - . . . Now that sounds neat!

so I suppose the city was racist when it repeatedly refused to give a liquor license to Jim Halbach when he was trying to open a sports pub down by GM, even though they have given them out like candy to everyone else that has requested them.
As far as the "urban" stereotypes go....well let's see. It was recently reported that there was a shoot out at the urban music awards and in past years there has been numerous violence issues at the urban music awards.....how many shoot outs and beat downs have there been at the grammy's? How about the country music awards? I'd say the "urban" music lovers aren't doing much to help their cause nor their claim that their music doesn't promote violence.

Just a reminder, Janelle Barliss is WHITE. She was playing the racism card because of the majority of her patrons, (who just couldn't seem to behave themselves).

joker - Do you even realize that you're one of the most negative person on these posts? Or are you too busy working on your great portfolio that every ounce of what little common sense you has blown out the back of your skull?

AND she bounced a $5K check.
Give me a break.
Oh, let me guess...the bank bounced it because of her race. That's the next charge.

Joker, I don't really care about your financial portfolio. You are an anonymous idiot on the internet, to me. A pompous, lonely, pathetic soul looking for attention.

"My financial portfolio is a daily reminder of my success"..... Good God, now I've heard it all.
When people brag about how much money they have, it often means they're $40,000 or $50,000 in debt and recieve daily reminders of that fact, either by phone or by mail.
I can't stand people that screw off on company time while everyone else has to pick up the slack.

Joker: She did not pay her bills on time and she lost her liquor license because of losing her partner. How is any of that racism? I am not attacking you I would like an answer.

umm Joker: Its easy math - Pay bills on time = staying open. Not paying bills ontime = being shut down.

As usual, people on this board cannot admit that I am right, so they go into the attack mode against me. Go ahead, call me names. You are just looking more foolish. I know how well I have done with my life. My financial portfolio is a daily reminder of my success.

Back to the point, if this bar had mostly white patrons and there was trouble at the bar, there would be no big deal and everyone would be fine with it. Everyone would just say, oh come on, people were just having fun, no harm, no foul. Of course, this happens at many downtown bars already and JPD and the citizens of Janesville turn a blind eye.

Janesville is becoming a very bitter and angry city. Why so negative?

thejoker: your just a moron, go tell your lies on how great you are and how rich you are on someother e-newspaper please .... you are a joke.

Ok the bar had issues, issues with how it’s cliental acted, not their race. Those issues were being addressed (slowly) by the bar owners. That was stated by the police. The issues that came up would have been issues no matter what was the color the people; if dumb white people were acting this way (which some of the complaints were regarding dumb white people, like the stabbing!) the same bad attention would have been drawn to the bar. The bar is closing because its owner stopped paying her bills and started bouncing checks. It is also closed because the liquor license was revoked because one of the two people who operated the bar left the operation and it is standard procedure to make the bar get a new liquor license when that large of a change is made. However since she is bouncing checks then she obviously doesn’t have the money to reapply for a new liquor license. Unless you are saying that we should give her special treatment because of the color of her skin and not make her reapply for a liquor license or let her not have to pay her bills, if that is your argument then you are the racist. She is being treated fairly her business is closed because she stopped paying her bills and doesn’t have a liquor license.

TheJoker - It's not racism, it's just people being honest that they really don't like you because of your attitude.

let jim hallbauch run it and have some stripers in there to give it up to who will pay the most, HA HA. On a real note watch and see who will run the place i'm betting on hallbauch he has been out of trouble for a few months know so he will slide in and run it under a name no body will recognise.

I would suggest people use spell check and also use proper grammar. Your ignorance is showing. Speaking of ignorance, the hateful and bigoted responses to my post just proves my point that racism was involved with shutting down this bar. Gazettefan, it sounds like you have some real issues going on in your life. I suggest you get some help before it is too late.

This story is just another example of the problems Janesville is facing and one that no one wants to deal with.

Im not a bar person - Id much rather grab a 6pack and sit at hoem with my husband. Im actually not a big drinker to beginwith - BUT when I have gone out to bars There are a couple that I wont go in again. However Parkplace and Wolfs Den have never made me feel unsafe, I felt like I should have a body guard walking past Corvinas doors! I was driving down the street past it one night about 7:30 and someone ran out of the doors fallowed by 2 others running. NEVER looked to check for cars. Good thing I saw them...

Napalm,
You're right because quite frankly I would never put myself in a place like that. As soon as stories got out that there were fights and police confrontations most people who like to stay out of trouble stay away. Commonsense prevails in these situations. Hmmmm lets see go have a good time or be in the middle of a bar fight...I'll go where there is likely to not be a bar fight or other kinds of trouble. Now if that makes anybody a racist then you are beyond reasoning with.

joker is probably smart enough to know that he's a racist but, at the same time, he's to dumb to know that he's revealing his racism here.

He thinks he's enjoying the pleasure someone like him gets from pulling the wings off flies but all he's doing is showing everyone that he's a fool.

Joker - I see you're still a blind joke. Apparently you skipped past all the stories that spoke the truth about the owners.

good luck freddy!

Normal PEOPLE don't behave in a fashion that attracts the attention of the law enforcement. And these gangster wannbes are the reason NORMAL PEOPLE don't want to be in this atmosphere. It's so easy to play the "race card" when behavior is addressed. There was no "profiling" involved here, but in fact it was the owner's inability to control her clientèle and better manage her finances.

I'm sick and tired of people dealing the "race card" defence.
Corvina's managers were just simply not able to run a business. Some of the blame also goes to Janesville's alcohol licensing committee for granting them another one to begin with.
If it were a so called "white bar", this wouldn't even be an issue.
Quit whining about your skin color, and how bad you all think you have it in Janesville. Your diatribe grows old and stagnant, forcing peoples minds to wander off the subject at hand.

RACISM?? I don't think so, I've gone to that bar and I wanted to leave the minute I entered, I felt like I was in a different country!! I walk in and there was glasses breaking against bathroom doors and it was rather creepy in there! Any normal white person that is comfortable with themselves would have felt awkward in the place..Im glad its closed, hopefully something new and less gangster opens up!

Racism was the reason this bar closed. The people of Janesville should be ashamed of themselves.

Where am i gonna get my can of sky blue water
"tear down my cheek"

It should re-open as a NASCAR bar!!

If an AUTHENTIC London Pub opened in this historic building, Dabiri and Shahlapour would have a goldmine.....

lol go figure

wow - i cannot believe it - what a shock - how will my day continue??

*sarcasm*

/facepalm