Whenever I'm high on reefer, reading Sanskrit is really a hoot.

Why think...your name suits you, but you need to ask yourself that question less often than you already do, quite obviously.
Non confirmed,non-credible random studies shouldn't be substituted for better funded, unbiased and broader studies. Man I hope you didn't spend much time finding those links, because I'm pretty upset I'll never get the time back I just wasted reading over them, even though it was quick. It wasn't painless.

THE WAR ON DRUGS IS A LOSING BATTLE COSTING US TRILLIONS! Nothing they have done has worked. It is all a money machine.
Everybody whines about the wars in the East, this one, we've been losing for twenty years.

First you support legalization due to your hypothesis that it would result in an increase in lung cancer, and now you're thankful for being given hope (despite lack of conclusive scientific evidence) that pot use may cause infertility in "boys"? You've successfully expressed your willful bias in full now, whythink, so it'd be IDEAL for you to move along. Your continued displays of petty arrogance and animosity towards pot smokers is only detrimental to whatever weak point(s) you may have made, and only furthers my theory that you work with kids who use pot while simultaneously harboring disdain and disregard for them; that you don't work with them out of empathy, but because of the sense of superior self-satisfaction that feeds your messiah complex.

"When I speak of Darwin"
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Regardless of when, it NEVER has ANYTHING to do with Darwin's theory, which makes it all the more pathetic that you continually suggest that it might. Darwin is irrelevant to pot use.
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"I never thought the life death assumption would be made."
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Really? You never thought, when you wrote, "Again, if legalized we will see more use, more regular use, more regular long-term use and more lung cancer from marijuana users. There are facts about marijuana people don't want to address. I still say legalize it, be honest about it and let darwin take over", that people would see the connection between your hypothesis of the effects of increased pot use and your flippant attitude suggesting it should be legalized, regardless of your hypothesis, so as to let "darwin take over"?
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"I have worked with 100's of kids and their use or non-use of pot doesn't impact my job."
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No, not your job; just your opinions of those kids.
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"I speak of those who use on this blog because...THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT POT. Talking about the kids struggling with divorce, low income families, transportation or whatever other reason I may work with them wouldn't make sense considerng the topic of the article. DUH!"
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First, there aren't children you work with whose sole problem is pot use. Not one. There is no Johnny Straight-A who had everything but lost it all because he just can't stop using the demon weed, despite wishing he could.
Second, so you admit that you've been trying to force a square peg in a round hole by ignoring that correlation does not prove causation and referencing a straw man argument about your job, which you also admit has no reliance on pot use, in order to make your comments regarding an op-ed about ending federal involvement in medical marijuana use seem topical? DUH!
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"Intersting, just watched a video base on brain research and pot use. Pot slows down the brain, makes you work harder to complete basic tasks and hurts memory. Thankfully, it also makes guys less fertile, keep smoking boys."
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What’s more interesting is you failed to cite this video source. Not that it really matters, since the results of "...slows down the brain, makes you work harder to complete basic tasks and hurts memory", can just as easily be attributed to a myriad of legal drugs.
As for male infertility, the study's results (derived from a enviously large test group of 22 men) were unable (surprise!) to conclude that pot causes infertility. It also failed to test fertility results in those same 22 men after abstaining from pot use. In fact, the study's lead author had to admit that many men who smoke pot have had children, and that IF pot use were to cause infertility, it would LIKELY only affect men with "naturally occurring borderline fertility potential." But nothing can be stated definitively. Of course.
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"Maybe my Darwin (survival in society) comment makes sense."
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No, it doesn't. Time to let it go.

1st link "Marijuana seems to be a risk factor for stroke," said Dr. Juan Carlos Garcia-Monco of the Hospital de Galdacano in Vizcaya, Spain. The risk, albeit low, may be higher when marijuana is used along with alcohol or other drugs, he told Reuters Health'...so the risk is low and compounded by other drugs...but lets print an blame marijuana?? reefer madness

2nd link 'Even though we still don't understand how heavy MJ use might cause increases in apoC-III levels, this protein might be one of the reasons why some MJ users have increased risks of heart attack and strokes'...it MIGHT also be that they eat 50 big macs a week...WE DONT KNOW.

3rd link: just a report of link #2.

4th link: 'Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit.'...those sound pretty tame and could easily be the same for caffeine. should i find a link that lists the side effects of quitting legal drugs??
and....'However, at this time, it not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence'...yet they report that its marijuanas fault...reefer madness...

5th link: 'The study involved people ages 17 to 49 in a drug abuse treatment program in Athens, Greece'...we dont know the mental stability of any of these people prior to entering the drug abuse program. i can find 50 people who smoke pot on a regular basis and be glad to challenge any other 50 in a test of cognitive abilities

6th link: 'The researchers caution that the study is preliminary and does not demonstrate that marijuana use causes the brain abnormalities'....nuff said

7th link: it says MAY in the headline but who cares?? i mean REALLY?? lots of other drugs legal/prescribable with waaaay worse side effects than that.

i think we've established and agreed that there are potential negatives to pot smoking. none of which trump my RIGHT as an american to do as i wish to my body as long as im affecting NO ONE ELSE. lots of mights/mays/possibles in those links. how many links do you think i can find pertaining to the two most used drugs in society that WONT contain the mights/mays/possibles??

http://www.drugwatch.org/research/mariju...
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...
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http://esciencenews.com/sources/scientif...
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/mariju...
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http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/bla...
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...
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http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/a/blu...
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Again, I am OK with legalization but it would be IDEAL if everyone stayed away from this crap. Not good.
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When I speak of Darwin I talk of survival in society not Life or Death. I should have explained that but I never thought the life death assumption would be made.
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As far as the kids I work with...I have worked with 100's of kids and their use or non-use of pot doesn't impact my job. I speak of those who use on this blog because...THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT POT. Talking about the kids struggling with divorce, low income families, transportation or whatever other reason I may work with them wouldn't make sense considerng the topic of the article. DUH!
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Intersting, just watched a video base on brain research and pot use. Pot slows down the brain, makes you work harder to complete basic tasks and hurts memory. Thankfully, it also makes guys less fertile, keep smoking boys.
Maybe my Darwin (survival in society) comment makes sense.
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No joke! Civil disobedience is not a big deal. Most people don't want pot to be illegal for anyone, especially for medicinal use. Thank goodness Obama put his foot down on prosecuting sick people who really need this medicine, and that's exactly what it is-medicine.

heres a nice documentary from penn and teller to watch about the failed war on drugs. my favorite, if you go forward to like minute 19 is the harvard educated dr who talks about his 10 year old getting cancer and then dealing with the nausea and vomiting after chemo...until he started smoking marijuana 20 minutes prior to chemo. nausea and vomiting STOPPED. ughhh its soooo sick that americans are dieing RIGHT NOW that could be helped by a plant. contact your rep and ask them to support the jacki rickert medical marijuana act and a doctors right to prescibe a medicine...

http://tiny.cc/N1f0f

email your reps....

http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?a...

excellent point freeradical. as ive said before, the smokers dont tell the non smokers who they are. the non smokers would expletive a golden brick if they knew who in society gets high at night, and even more so if they knew who was smokin hitters before venturing into public...

when legal more peeps wont start smoking, well maybe a few but not the masses, more peeps will just admit to their smoking than they do now

whythink: so its not ok for us to assume the work you do with kids, but its ok for you to assume we're not out trying to change the law?? you think all i do is get high and blog?? wake up. ive posted several times about my trip to the capitol to lobby for medical marijuana. i volunteer my time with kids, my kids and their baseball teammates. if i did volunteer to some juvenile delinquent...how long do you think theyd let me continue to volunteer if i was teaching them how to properly get the marijuana laws changed?? i can let my reps know how i feel, and i have several times in email and in person, but the only other thing i can do to help, and in my opinion one of the most important, is to put my life out there to show the people who have no experience with marijuana...that despite what weve been told for 70+ years that marijuana is NOT THE DEMON WEED reefer madness made it out to be. downsides?? absolutely, its a mind altering drug but that argument is null an void because of legal alcohol and tobacco. NO DOWNSIDE TO POT SMOKING IS WORSE THAN THE DEATH THOSE TWO CAUSE. and unfortunately uncle sam pretty much has a monopoly on the testing of pot so we dont even know what the medical upsides are.

No, whythink, I wouldn't make an assumption about your work with children if I were considering your beliefs about pot alone. But it's your work with children, considered with your beliefs about people who smoke pot (the stupid, childish people you'd offer up to Darwin) that lead me to make an informed judgment.
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"that work IN NO WAY RELIES ON POT USE"
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Yet it's that very work that you reference to in making many of your arguments about the consequences and dangers of pot use. You're still admitting that correlation does not prove cause in theory, while failing to accept it in practice. All you've been able to concretely point to as an example of "harmful" effects of smoking pot (disregarding non-smoking deliverance of THC) is lung damage from long-term repeated smoke inhalation. Children, and the impact society has on them, are irrelevant regarding the issue of whether pot should be legalized. It's obvious that pot's illegality doesn't prevent its use among kids. And the "messages" that children receive from adults about pot are not an inherent solution for/cause of their pot use. As with the example of the choking game, even a uniform expression of opposition from adults shows that something need only be available and actionable for kids to engage it.
Thekid3477 has made clear he doesn't smoke around his children; I've not seen anyone advocate pot use among children if legalized; and anyone who smokes pot is hardly "ignoring" the law, as we prefer not to be ticketed. We're very mindful of it, and we're all being careful. Thanks.

On a simpler note, none of this really matters, because keeping it illegal won't keep anyone who wants it from getting it. It's as simple as that.
How many stoned citizens do you see or pass on a daily basis? Take that number, and throw it away, because it is much,much larger than that. =p

Apparently I can't comment on lBM, apparently only someone elses opinion trumps mine, they know so much more about them. Whatever, i tried to read a lot of what I missed, but it has been reduced to looking like a school-lunch time debate for middle schoolers! I dont even know where you guys are trying to take this topic, but it looks embarrassing now.

Blah blah its illegal!!!! so is jay walking and i do it regularly. So was alcohol. This argument is kind of moot. Its off track.
The bottom line is, if your state has laws and regulations for medicinal marijuana, the feds are ok with that. Support your LOCAL government. Come on, kids.Jump on the bus, we're just penstrokes away from gving grannie a joint.

We could take our cue from you, someone who works with kids that use pot while simultaneously harboring disdain and disregard for users of it. You don't work with them out of empathy. They're pet projects. The reward is your satisfaction; it makes you feel superior to believe you're helping pot users, who are beneath you. It's a messiah complex.
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Don't assume anything about the relationship I have with the kids I work with (that work IN NO WAY RELIES ON POT USE) because of my beliefs about pot.
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Besides, I have said several times, legalize it.
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There is a strong message from Adults that marijuana laws are dumb and therefore can be ignored. Most of the time, that message isn't detailed enough to differentiate, ignored by whom.
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I am just saying becareful.

"IT IS ILLEGAL."
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Undisputed.
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"For kids..."
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Why are you still on this straw man? All agree children shouldn't be using pot. But kids shouldn't do a lot of things that they do, and will continue to do. This is regardless of pot's existence or use. No one here is telling kids laws are stupid, or encouraging them to smoke pot, so spare us the blame game tangent.
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"Part of teaching young people to be responsible citizens is how do you legally change laws in this country."
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Most teenagers and young adults have at least a basic understanding of how our electoral system works. However, my concern rests with the legality of pot, not with troubled youth who may or may not also use pot as a result of that troubled life.
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"Being arrested isn't the best way."
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Are you insinuating someone here has suggested so? Although, for groups of willing adult parties, being peaceably and repeatedly arrested publicly is a great way to help change a law.
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"Volunteer at the detention center and talk to the kids about what they need to do to change the law."
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We could take our cue from you, someone who works with kids that use pot while simultaneously harboring disdain and disregard for users of it. You don't work with them out of empathy. They're pet projects. The reward is your satisfaction; it makes you feel superior to believe you're helping pot users, who are beneath you. It's a messiah complex.
And kids can't change the law. Funny thing about voting - you have to be an adult.

"it is probably easier to sit on a couch, smoke a bowl and type on a blog about how the law needs to be fixed by someone else."
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Generally, unless you happen to be a legislator or lobbyist. Public discourse is one of the best methods of swaying public opinion, which in turn keeps our legislators informed of their constituencies' mood. But what am I saying? Laws are so evidently changed by volunteering time with troubled kids! It's such an obvious relationship!
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"Kids are getting a HUGE mixed message on this."
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Continuing with the straw man appeal to children, I guess. What does "this" refer to, specifically? Also, could you point to adults who are sending "mixed messages" about the choking game? You know, a bunch of kids get together and choke each other until they pass out? You say that kids do things because of attitudes derived from adults. So show us where the advocation for the choking game exists among adults.
Or, could it be that kids do things simply because it exists and they can? Could it be that, no matter how uniform adult attitudes are, kids will still fail to listen or act accordingly to them?
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"The illegality(sp?) and mixed messages are hurting these kids."
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Very true; the illegality of pot is hurting a lot of innocent people. The messages insisting pot's rightfully illegal are mixing with the realities of the facts about pot, especially when viewed in context of legal drugs.
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"...work and teach the kids in this town how to do that responsibly and legally."
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Kids are completely irrelevant to legalization efforts.
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"Please, don't just tell them it is a stupid law, the drug is safe and light up if you want."
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Please don't insinuate we're peddling drugs to children.
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"...don't confuse a kid in the process."
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Again, watch your insinuations.

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Unfortunately you missed my point. Uncle Sam is quite clear about pot.
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IT IS ILLEGAL. For kids, the consequences can be pretty severe and long-term. Expulsion, juvenile probation, detention center, etc... All result from the attitude "the law is stupid so I don't need to follow it." Where does that attitude come from? Adults (politicans, teachers, parents, guys on a message board, etc...)
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The problem is, kids are getting hurt big time as a result of that attitude.
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I am not saying the law makes sense but that doesn't mean you ignore it. Part of teaching young people to be responsible citizens is how do you legally change laws in this country. Being arrested isn't the best way.
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Why don't you get involved with kids? Mentor, or something. Volunteer at the detention center and talk to the kids about what they need to do to change the law. There are plenty of things you can do to get kids involved and get the law changed.
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I guess the biggest problem is with these side effects http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijuan...
it is probably easier to sit on a couch, smoke a bowl and type on a blog about how the law needs to be fixed by someone else.

do you suggest we hold 'pot seminars' on how to teach the kids the responsible way to use marijuana?? thats silly. 'we' cant teach the kids in town. like ALL drugs, it comes down to the parents communicating on an individual basis.

i LOVE that you suggest we are sending a mixed message. what do you think ucle sam is doing?? do you think kids dont see that pot is easier to get than alcohol?? you dont think they KNOW people are dieing from alcohol and NOT pot?? sure there are kids out there who know their parents smoke pot, same as alcohol. you dont think kids see what happens to people who use to much alcohol, vs people who smoke to much marijuana?? please...this drug is legal and ok even tho it kills but this one isnt legal for anyone to even possess, let alone use...even tho it doesnt do what the other does. THAT is a mixed message sir that needs to be fixed...

After all this discussion can we remember one thing, it is currently illegal and kids are getting a HUGE mixed message on this.
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The illegality(sp?) and mixed messages are hurting these kids. If you want it legal, work and teach the kids in this town how to do that responsibly and legally. Please, don't just tell them it is a stupid law, the drug is safe and light up if you want.
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Juvenile probation, detention, expulsion, and parent/youth relationships are suffering because some are giving kids a mixed message.
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Please, if you, as an adult want to smoke...go for it, but don't confuse a kid in the process.
Thanks.
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I hope that wasn't arrogant.

Thanks, but it takes a village, as they say, and I'm just a member. You could say it was a JOINT effort. : )

bravo sir. bravo.

"I don't know of what arrogance you are referring to."
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Not surprising. When you insinuate that you're better than other people because they smoke pot and you don't; when you support legalization so as to "let darwin take over" aka hope for an increase in resultant lung cancer deaths (which doesn't actually have anything to do with Darwin's theory); when you wrongly chastise others for simplifying arguments while you actually ignore your own admittance that correlation does not prove a cause or state your admitted beliefs as facts, then you are being arrogant.
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"Yes, I believe being selfish enough to smoke an illegal drug while raising children is childish."
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This belief relies on faulty logic.
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"Heaven forbid someone have a strong opinion that differs from you."
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Did I ever say you couldn't? No. My strong opinion has every right to oppose yours. Or did you think you had the market on opinions cornered?
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"Considering most of my posts were directed at thekid, why would you take them so personally?"
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Most, but not all. I've taken it personally? Hardly, and nothing I've written has indicated that. Your illogical beliefs-stated-as-fact should rightly concern all who subscribe to common sense, so I'll respond regardless of who you directed your comments to.
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"Yeah, I made some statements but they weren't hypocritical"
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Incorrect. Your previous posts prove otherwise.
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"I have seen the negative effects of pot"
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Funny, you haven't shared one experience of such. You've shared cases of troubled children who also happen to use pot (while admitting correlation does not prove causation). The only negative effect of pot that you've been able to concretely point to (which you haven't "seen" personally) is harm to lungs from smoke inhalation (true of ANY smoke inhalation), which is a readily accepted fact by everyone here. Again, this ignores that THC is the drug in pot, which can be administered in ways other than smoking.
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Good-bye!

truth,
I don't know of what arrogance you are referring to. Perhaps I mistated somethings. When I continued to state that my biggest fear is the unknown...how is that arrogance.
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Yes, I have opinions on this. Yes, I believe being selfish enough to smoke an illegal drug while raising children is childish. If that is arrogant, I am guilty. Heaven forbid someone have a strong opinion that differs from you.
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Considering most of my posts were directed at thekid, why would you take them so personally? Guilty conscious? Who is being arrogant? I asked several questions. Yeah, I made some statements but they weren't hypocritical they were uncertain. I have seen the negative effects of pot but know that isn't the only cause...for example.
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Get over yourself...and good-bye.

"Nobody seems to know the real answers."
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Says the poster who states beliefs as absolutes. Hypocrisy is a fun game to play.
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No one here has refuted that SMOKE of ANY kind carries carcinogens and is harmful to the lungs when inhaled. This ignores that THC is the drug in pot, and can be administered in numerous creative ways outside of smoking.
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No one here has refuted that numerous, even legal, substances/activities can become habitually addictive. This is different from physical dependence, which is so extremely mild and rare in pot use as to be practically negligible, and relegated to those who use it for more than self-controlled recreation (and likely, as you pointed out, have other detrimental contributing factors in their life). That is why regulation and responsibility/maturity are required, as with most all things. No one here has opposed this.
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Given this, what EXACTLY is your point, whythink? That studies are beneficial and should continue? Great; we all agree. Too bad the arrogance of your secondhand-derived beliefs was your impetus.

Would someone begin a local NORML chapter already? I am too busy to start one, but would love to help with the details ;)

personal experience.. Can be a VERY useful medication when other things aren't working. Does not lead to harder drugs. I had kids and grew up. If you are worried about lung cancer why not just make bhang butter and cook with it? I see prisons and jails thriving from petty drug offenses- at our expense. While I am not for full legalizing it, I can understand approving it for medical conditions.

its happening....

http://networkedblogs.com/p15861938

as always, i appreciate the convo too whythink. just a few points on your links. as for the lung damage ones. im not convinced, but i conceded earlier in THIS THREAD that the tar from pot smoke may be worse than the tar from tobacco. the OBVIOUS difference being the THC in marijuana is believed to kill the dieing cells before they turn cancerous.

as for the addiction stuff. how do you NOT see the multiple times i, and IT, have acknowledged a psychological or habtitual addiction?? oh, and you did see your links are to treatment centers yes?? find me a link from someone who doesnt make a profit from addictions...

There are really good reasons why our government should be actively fighting a drug war. Cocaine/crack, heroin, and meth are terrible substances that should not be so easily available. The problem is that reefer shouldn't be included in what's being targeted. The guy selling some pot shouldn't also be the crack connection. That's unfortunately what can cause pot to be a "gateway drug." Legalize it, and it need no longer be a gateway. The police need to focus on dangerous criminal activity, not waste time and money walking drug dogs through the high schools.

After about 5 minutes of searching I was able to find this. I found an equal number saying it is not true but for some of you to simply rip me as wrong when there is data backing my claim makes you look dumb.
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I take back my "I was wrong about cancer" statement. I might be, but there are Doctors who have done research that back me up.
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Lung Damage
http://www.jointogether.org/news/researc...

http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/marijua...
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And regarding Addiction...
It happens, not to everyone, (kid, perhaps you are simply lucky). If you are a drug counselor, your job is safe.

Addiction
http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/

http://www.uhs.wisc.edu/display_story.js...

http://www.addictionsearch.com/treatment...
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Don't come back with me with your links saying this isn't true. I admit they exist. My point is that we still do not know. Lung damage or cancer may occur and addiction may occur JUST LIKE WITH TOBACCO. We can all find that person whom smoked packs per day for years and died of natural causes...No cancer.
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I am done. The bottom line, legal or illegal, we need to continue to educate ourselves and conduct research on this. Nobody seems to know the real answers.
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Fun discussion, I don't take any of the personal attacks personally.
Later...

Look in the textbooks. Our founding fathers smoked hemp. Andrew Jackson and Benjamin Franklin grew acres of it! Those pipes you see them holding in old pictures, those were not for tobbaco! I country was founded by a bunch of "high" guys! Alot of very intelligent people smoke dope, alot of inventions came our way, even electricity! So the next time you turn on a lamp, think about who invented it while he was high!

44 percent favor legalization, why is it not legal?

Legalize it. Regulate it (i.e. no sales to minors). Tax it and relieve property taxes.

preach on bruthas..preach on :)

"Correlation is not causation I konw but the more I see young kids using marijuana the more I see it screwing up their life."
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You can't prove it's the cause, yet it IS definitively "screwing up" kids' lives? It's rare to see someone contradict themselves in just one sentence. You admit that correlation does not prove causation, yet this is the sole basis of all your fear mongering. You keep stating pot to be "dangerous", yet have nothing to show this is so. Such claims are merely your secondhand assumptions, largely based on (admittedly) faulty logic. Admit it - all the kids you work with have other issues besides pot use, and these problems existed before, or independently of, their pot use. This also ignores that kids will obviously use pot whether legal or not, and that no one legitimate argues that kids should be using pot, even if legalized. But nice straw man.
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"See K I D, some of us grow up eventually. Do stupid things like binge drink, try cigs. and may even try an illegal drug like pot in our 20's. Some of us then grow-up and become adults and stop those things"
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Speaking of maturity, check out this juvenile rhetorical fallacy. Stupidity is subjective. Smoking pot is also not comparable to cigarettes, or binge drinking. Maturity has no dependency on pot use; only the converse is true.
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"Just because we got alcohol wrong doesn't mean we should do the same with pot."
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Who says we got alcohol "wrong"? Alcohol is one of the oldest sociable drugs...yet, last I checked, society is thriving.
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"Or, do you believe weed can't be abused?"
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Weed itself can't be abused in the sense that someone can become physically dependant on it, but it can be used to abuse other things (use of time/avoidance of responsibilities). This can be said of numerous activities/substances and isn't dependant on the substance/activity itself but on other outside factors, such as "mixed messages from home, personal experiences, school/community/probation/friends (becoming) overwhelming", etc. These things are not caused by the pot, and the resultant pot use could be substituted with any substance/activity whatsoever, legal or otherwise (drinking, eating, smoking, sex, gambling, video games, TV, exercising, etc). It all rests with the individual. Again, the correlation does not prove a cause. Something you admit but refuse to accept. Yet you somehow get off claiming that you're a grown-up who doesn't simplify the issue and make it black-and-white. Get over yourself.

i have a question for you whythink. do you know why marijuana is illegal?? and i dont mean, as kraut put it the 'save the children' campaign, i mean do you know the history of marijuana?? why and when it became illegal??

you acknowledge that marijuana isnt as harmful as alcohol, but we may have screwed up re-legalizing that drug. i disagree, this is where the 'freedom of choice' comes into play. to prohibit a 'free' human ANY choice that ONLY affects the user is NOT what this country is about. we ACCEPT the obvious negatives to allow free americans the right to choose certain personal freedoms. the option to choose weed should be equal to the option to chose alcohol. comparing your non use of pot to your non use of heroin is as dumb as any argument you think i make...especially because even you acknowledge pot isnt as bad on the user as alcohol. people die from herion. that simply is not the case with pot, never has been and even uncle sam acknowledges there have never been marijuana related deaths.

as for the abuse...of course one can abuse marijuana, ive said since day one its ALL on the individual and not the drug. whether that drug be alcohol, tobacco, pot, heroin.... it comes down to whether you control the drug, or the drug controls you. i do my 40+. get my bills paid. take care of my kids. never late for work, never call in sick(at least since i quit drinking:). trust me whythink, i detest the pot abusers as much as anyone, cuz it is those people who, in the eyese of the blind, define marijuana use. and that is just simply not true. unfortunately thats all you read about in the paper. the truth is you dont know a fraction of the people who smoke pot responsibly. NOT A FRACTION. they dont tell you, but trust me, they tell me. mostly cuz i tell them and then ask:) yes whythink, pot can most certainly be abused, that doesnt mean people who use it medically or responsibly should be denied the right to smoke or possess it.

funny how someone who has NEVER inhaled marijuana ONE TIME finds it diffucult to debate with someone who HAS. there has been misinformation spewed about marijuana since before it was banned in 1937. it has been repeated sooooooo many times that people who have NEVER inhaled marijuana, have no choice but to believe it. those of us 'potheads' who have smoked it, KNOW what the drug REALLY is, and find it an uphill battle to convince the blind that there is in fact a reality other than what theyve been told...
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Another dumb argument. I have never tried heroin either but have enough information to know it is harmful.
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My experience with marijuana is through the young people who have tried it, were negatively affected by it, and for whatever reason struggle to give it up. I am not an expert on the subject and believe this is truly a complicated issue. My frustration is with people, on both sides, that simplify the issue and make it black and white. I don't believe mind altering drugs are simple.
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The point you miss about your dumb alcohol argument is I agree that it is more harmful. I believe we, as a society, may have screwed up when it was made legal and normalized.
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Just because we got alcohol wrong doesn't mean we should do the same with pot.
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I just don't like that particular argument. It is a dumb argument. .
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Last question for you kid.
You argued with wdwacker that getting high isn't abusing weed. Ok, what is abusing weed. Or, do you believe weed can't be abused?

Wow Jenny you can read?!?! I also said that I wanted the comments shut OFF not just going away but shut OFF. Do you know what off it??

Oh give it up?? This coming from a person who turned to craigs list to slander someone. Awsome!! Your a great person Jenny!!!

oh give it up. You werent trying to do anything. Seems I remember reading posts that said if y oud just stop commenting it would die. Even the timeline supported that. Nobody would say a darn thing then youd chime in and start it allup again. If you wanted it to go away and thats it then you wouldnt have kept it going. Everyone else would let it die then youd start it up again. Dont try to hide your ignorance with the falacy that you had some sort of plan.

Nope. You are just mad you didnt see it coming. I will say sorry for the email I sent where I said I did not need to say sorry to a druggie. I dont really care if you do pot, crack or meth, whatever, its your body. It was part of what I was doing. :)

Seems to me some MedEmJay would go a long ways towards settling the cat-fight here...take it out in the alley girls...I dont give rats-azz who Heather is and if she eats golf balls, much less drinks...enough already!

right on dub. all the pieces are there, they just have trouble seeing them well enough to put the puzzle togethor;)

will you other 2 please take your school yard argument somewhere else. neither of you are letting your intelligence shine...

Medical marijuana is legal in 13 states. Just look at all the people in those states admitted to the hospital with weed related illnesses and injuries! Surely WAY more than those from legal opiates! It proves how dangerous the "drug" really is!

HAHAHA You are just helping me think more and more that you ARE jenny. And if you are then trust me everyone shes not the one thinking.

Leach huh...yep....oh wait.

I will think what I want thank you. One of us has to think, and we know its not you. Keep calling me Jenny, I dont care. Especially coming from a leach like you.

Think what you want JENNY but no I did not have it removed. Should have but didnt.

nope not Jenny. Now I definitely know who she is, thanks to your email. You are right about her, the one thing youre right about. I know you had the post removed, thats fine. I reposted it with just facts that can be proven.

Hmmm yeah cause talking about her opening anything isnt slander. Get a life honey. And oh guess what they took that post off. Yeah I guess CL will do something.....

And I guess if your not Jenny, your not as big of a looser. I however still have my doubts that you not her

Again, you dont know what youre talking about. First of all, my name isnt Jenny. Think I know who youre talking about though. And secondly, you need to know what Slander is.
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A slander case will be dismissed if the injurious statements were stated as opinion rather than fact; if they are deemed "fair comments and criticisms"; if they do not actually do injury to the plaintiff's reputation; or if the statements were true.

Like I said when I emailed you and i see someone agrees with me - I have a feeling this is Jenny. I don't argue with loser's so that kicks you out huh.

Yeah there is a think called SLANDER and JPD can do something so just wait.

No I'm not meaningless though. If I was not one single person would bother commenting on anything I post and you guys cant not post.

Nobody "fell" for anything. You expect anyone to believe that? If all you were trying to do was get the blog shut down you could have done that in a matter of MINUTES not DAYS! Well, that is if you had a brain you could have.

YOU are meaningless lovebeingmarried, as is your friend. Ive known her long enough to know that she WILL mess this up. Shes a drunk! You act as if you did something by getting the comments shut down on Heathers story. WOO HOO for you. Only took ya a week. But now there is the ever wonderful Craigslist to expose your drunk friend. Email them all you want theres nothing they can do if only the TRUTH is posted about Heather the drunk.

Dont worry I already emailed Craigs list and I called a friend of mine...on the JPD. :) Have a good life your sef there marobuddy. Trust me your the only ignorant one here. Well, you and MMH. I love that you all fell for it though,

Yeah I am right actually. You all fell for it and ran to the story about heather posting whatever you wanted to. I pestered a little more and, well here we are. Me on top. Thanks!! I'm not sharing my feelings on heather because they are none of your business. I am a true friend and I got it shut down. I am also a true friend who is already and is going to continue to help get her and keep her sober.

Do you feel embarrassed that you fell for it?? I even emailed people to piss them off to get them all riled up and ready to go so it would get shut down quicker.

And no my job is not meaningless.

sorry, the not teh. I had an LBM moment.

Where are you lovebeingmarried? I see I have someone on CL that thinks the same way as everyone else on here about your loser friend. These posters are right, you lost! Your friend is a drunk loser, always has been always will be. Craigslist is a wonderful thing!!!!!! HAHA

You can stop teh ignorant retorts now LBM. Its getting old, and quite frankly, boring. EVERYONE knows about you and your lack of intelligence and character. No need for me to respond to any of your inane comments. Have a nice life with your tiny mind and drunk friends.

Yep, youre so right. You so smart lovebeingmarried! not really. You seem to be the one with no life. Youre goal in life is to hide the fact that your friend is a drunk and a bad mom. You sit at home "working" all day at a meaningless job. Nice life YOU lead.

Oh my gosh I missed one word. That must mean I'm a bad person who should have all rights taken away. Give me a freaking break. You seriously need a life buddy! If you really knew me you would know that, that is now how I am, at all.

You can think all you want of me, but I wanted something, got it and now you don't know what to say so you pick on the one word I missed after spell check.

Have fun with your life that has little meaning.

Yep, I "fallowed" you. ROTFLMAO!!!

Oh, I'm so sorry, did you miss the part where I said that's not how I really am?? Cause its not how I am. Most of it was True, it was all true based but to the absolute extreme. I know she needs help, and I will help her get it. I figured that if I acted like that it would get shut down....and look at that. So yes that's a point for me. I couldn't care less what kind of car you drive or don't drive, the more I bothered you the more you fallowed me. So thanks for all the help buddy!!

You got it shut down lovebeingmarried because you were the ONLY ONE that doesnt see shes a drunk. And you couldnt handle that, so yes YOU LOST and you whined about it enough that the gazette felt sorry for you and shut it down. No big deal, shell be in the news again when she gets out and screws up. now leave this blog to thekid, hes doing a good job.

How 'bout you go read it mymaro then see if it should be swept under the rug.

"lovebeingmarried cried enough to get the other blog shut down. She obviously knows she lost" How is that? I got what i wanted. last I checked that's not loosing...

When it comes to craigslist for selling things I think it sucks, when it is used for harrasing people whether I know them or not I think its bull. I have flagged more than one thing on there this month already. People use it to hide behind and spread stuff around.

Whats with people and the craiglist thing? Its kind of stupid. Takes forever to put anything on there. Who cares if lovebeingmarried cried enough to get the other blog shut down. She obviously knows she lost, so why drag it to craiglist? pointless. its over, let it rest now.

are you sure you want pot legal?? cuz you seem to be blind. ive always and continuously acknowledged the potential negatives to marijuana legalization and its use in general.

PLEASE. give me ONE point about keeping marijuana illegal that i cant logically debate. JUST ONE. you say that my alcohol argument is dumb. thats ok that you see it that way. what i see as dumb is that even tho we know the potential negatives of consuming alcohol, anyone 21 or older can consume it, yet its illegal for me to sit on my couch and smoke a joint. or grow a plant. so much for personal freedoms.

funny how someone who has NEVER inhaled marijuana ONE TIME finds it diffucult to debate with someone who HAS. there has been misinformation spewed about marijuana since before it was banned in 1937. it has been repeated sooooooo many times that people who have NEVER inhaled marijuana, have no choice but to believe it. those of us 'potheads' who have smoked it, KNOW what the drug REALLY is, and find it an uphill battle to convince the blind that there is in fact a reality other than what theyve been told...

justme,
Bad assumption. My job does not rely on pot smokers.
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The kid does a great job of twisting what people say and avoiding points he can't argue.
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He and I actually agree on legalization he just minimizes the negative consquences of it and uses the DUMBEST argument...alcohol is worse and that is legal.
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I still say this...perhaps we screwed up with alcohol and it shouldn't be legal. Does making a similar mistake make sense?
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I don't like the idea of legitimizing this drug by making it legal but hate the idea of continuing to spend money to fight its use.
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Bottom line, you can't argue with a pot head about pot issues. It just doesn't work.

Ok - work at home - I do computer work for a company that I work for. It allows me to stay home and work.
let me post - yeah it is because I'm entertaining. Hi, this is a public blog, almost anyone can post.

But now that I got the comments shut off for heather I don't really care what people think of me. If I was really like that I wouldn't have a husband...yet you all too a big ole bite and went for it. Is it getting hard to swallow??? I am not a great speller but I usually spell check but I did not on purpose and I even spelled things wrong when I noticed they were right. Yes I know how to and were the spell check is thank you.
Excuse me while I go email Craigs list now.....

Missmyhubby - you seriously have as many issues at LBM!!! What is wrong with people??? Im going to go find it and flag it. If I had to guess at your name Id guess Jenny....

The kid, I am with you on this one. I smoked in my early years, up til I was 35. I did it responsibly and away from my children. Can't do it anymore, makes me sleepy! As for whythink, think about it, the one reason she/he is posting is because if no one used habitually or had addictions, he/she would be out of a job!

Hey, lovebeingmarried. You may have gotten the comment section shut down on Heathers case but its on craigslist rant and rave now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dont knitting and crocheting require some sort of sharp object? I think they do, therefore that is WAY out of LBMs league. I dont think if her husband is in his right mind that he would leave her alone with sharp objects.

oops, doesnt not soesnt.

justme46, I think they let her continue to post because her ignorance is a great source of entertainment for many on these boards. Her hypocrisy is second to none and is also quite amusing.

you said continuously smoking pot makes you a druggie. So doesnt continuously drinking make you a drunk? Risking your childs life soesnt make you a bad parent? Ridiculous.

Why doesn't the Gazette ban lovebeingmarried from posting anything? All she does is piss people off and take away from the article the blog is about in the first place! LMB, you definitely need a spell checker, and you say you work at home doing what? Which one knitting or crochetting? LOL

OMG WHERE did I say it was not stupid????? Show me please!!!!

Get over yoruself. First off I am a homeowner! Secong my husband and I share a car and it is a 2008 chevy.

So Heathers obsession with alcohol doesnt make her a drunk? You are a gem lovebeingmarried. Smoking pot is stupid but driving DRUNK with your child in the car isnt? You have some serious issues. Not the least of which is your lack of intelligence. Your friend is a drunk and a bad parent. Deal with it. And Im sure that a camaro is a much nicer car than anything parked in the street in front of your apartment.

yes driving once is a bad choice, contunisly smoking pot is stupid and makes you a druggie. Whatever, I dont feel good and am not goign to argue with you.
Camaros suck, pot smokign is stupid and teh comments on the other story are off - going to take a nap...................

Back to the previous post by lovebeingmarried or whatever. You can't make up your mind, can you? It is okay for your friend to drive DRUNK with a child in the car, but it is not okay to smoke pot in another room, apart from your kids? I think maybe Prozac would solve your problem along with a shot of tequila and a one hitter with pot in it. Mellow Out will you?

OF COURSE there will be negatives. i acknowledged that in THIS thread in an earlier post and have NEVER denied it. its a mind altering drug and there are some people who will let it control them, rather than them controlling the use. the potential negatives to it are COMMONLY acknowledged as not as bad as alcohol....yet thats legal. nevermind the fact that the negatives from prohibition far outweigh the potential negatives that come from more people using it. 80% of the mexican drug cartels profits come from marijuana. will that continue if we legalize it?? NO. on the smaller scale you have gangs controlling the market and profit and never paying a penny in taxes on it. on an even smaller scale you have moms and pops growing weed, not a negative in my opinion, but id prefer the pay taxes to lower the burden. make your own beer/wine at home: front page of gazette glorifying it. grow your own weed: still front page but because you were arrested.

what about the people who stop 'binge drinking' and switch to a more responsible form of drinking?? do you consider them no longer stupid, and all grown up?? how is that any different from the pot smokers like myself who do it in a responsible manner?? other than they cant get arrested for being in possession of their drug of choice...

The benefits of legalization would far outway the negatives. Alcohol is legal, marijuana is no worse than alcohol. In fact alcohol is probably worse when it comes to harming society.

In my mid 30's won't start, if I were 18 I guarantee you I would. I am guessing there are young people that don't, but if legalized would.
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In addition, I have friends that don't but did and might again if legal.
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See K I D, some of us grow up eventually. Do stupid things like binge drink, try cigs. and may even try an illegal drug like pot in our 20's. Some of us then grow-up and become adults and stop those things.
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BTW, I am on your side. I support legalization but have fears about it effects.
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I can give you the cancer argument, I was wrong on that one.
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Are you telling me you have no concerns about legalizing pot? That another legal, mind-altering drug will only bring positives to our society. That there will be no negative consequences if pot is legalized.
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If that is the case, keep smoking kid, obviously it is working.

lovebeingmarried
Oct 26, 2009 at 8:20 a.m.
Suggest removal camaros are crappy cars.
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Why is that LBM? becuase you cant afford one? You obviously know NOTHING about ANYTHING.

to save you some time on the lung cancer search i found a report on a study done by dr tashkin at ucla.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

this study reports that 'The heaviest smokers in the study had smoked more than 22,000 marijuana cigarettes, or joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 to 22,000 joints. Even these smokers did not have an increased risk of developing cancer.' and that 'People who smoked more marijuana were not at any increased risk compared with those who smoked less marijuana or none at all'

it of course also found that '80% of lung cancer patients and 70% of patients with head and neck cancer had smoked tobacco, while only about half of patients with both types of cancer smoked marijuana.' tobaccos LEGAL?? what the expletive??

they were surprised at the results since 'Previous studies have shown that marijuana tar contains about 50% higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer, compared with tobacco tar'

do you know why they think they got these results even tho the above statement is true?? how about because 'THC, a chemical in marijuana smoke, may encourage aging cells to die earlier and therefore be less likely to undergo cancerous transformation'

reading stuff like this always leaves me shakin my head askin why, why, why do i have to defend my pot use??

Amen Kid. Amen.

so you support, yet fear the legalization of marijuana because of things that DID NOT happen to you?? got it. sounds logical and rational.

you say you understand my free society argument, but you obviously dont, or you would be on my side. did i ever say we dont need restrictions on it?? restrict it the same as alcohol. alcohol prohibition failed, and the restrictions minimize the 'casualties'.

you said 'if legalized we will see more use, more regular use, more regular long-term use and more lung cancer from marijuana users'

fear mongering. yet YOU wont start smoking. not one person ive ever asked said they will start smoking when legal. those who want to smoke...currently do. we just dont want to be considered criminals for doing the same thing other free adults do with alcohol. oh, and if you dont mind...PLEASE find me a link to ONE CASE OF MARIJUANA CAUSED LUNG CANCER. JUST ONE!!

TOTALLY OFF SUBJECT but since the article isn't posted online...
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Did anyone see the "On Columnist" sound off?
"Leonard Pitts sees an immigrant on every corner. Well, ther's almost one on every corner, and we them out of here. Pitts' idea of a better America is more people like him and illegals and people in camps in Africa and Asia coming her to overwhelm us."
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I wish Mr. Pitts articles were available on line so this discussion could happen.
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A couple OBVIOUS things for the IGNORANT and RACIST sound off caller...
Anyone who isn't Native American or perhaps Hispanic is an immigrant. Only Native Americans and some Hispanics didn't "come here."
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Good to know racism is alive and well in 2009. YIKES!!
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Last thing, what is the motivation for printing that sound off?
Tick people off
Educate people about the ignorance
Motivate the ignorant
What agenda does the gazette have for printing that comment?
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Would they have printed that if it was a letter with a name and town attached?
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Thoughts?

No, I never have and will not IF legalized.
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I understand your "free society" thing but aren't common sense restrictions part of a free society. Thus, 21 or 18 age limit, DWI laws, murder laws.
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I think this would be a dangerous move. I strongly believe a generation would be hurt by legalizing this product.
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I never tried pot but in my younger days, if legal, I know I would have. I am thankful it was illegal because I don't know what it would have done to me.
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I never had alcoholism problems but alcohol caused me enough "grief" during my college years pot might have just cost me graduation.
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I fear this for all young people if it is legalized, normalized.
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Not an easy subject because either way there are "casualties."

CHOOSE:)

taking into account the tax money we will generate and the 'drug war' money we wont spend arresting/incarcerating responsible marijuana users, do you think we will have a positive or negative cash flow, even considering that 'once legal we will be spending money on it the way we do with alcohol'??

ive never said it was a perfect drug. like all mind altering drugs some people will let the drug control them. that is one of the downsides to having a 'free' society. the 30 year old stoner in his parents basement is not just cause to take away my RIGHTS AS AN AMERICAN to CHOSE what i put into my body. sort of like the innocent deaths caused by drunk driving and second hand smoke dont negate your right to CHOSE to consume an alcoholic beverage.

do you smoke marijuana whythink?? if not, when legal, will you start??

OK, since you don't like my beliefs (I admit bad choice of words) how about my experiences.
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I work with kids. I remember one young lady (15) who wanted to get clean, wanted to stop using but found it impossible because mom was a daily user. The mixed messages from home, her own experiences and school/community/probation/friends were overwhelming. Bottom line, she knew enough to want to get clean, she recongized that it was causing her problems but mom did not.
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Experience 2. 15 year old. Super athlete including freshman year. Begins to use pot more...no more sports, bad grades, probation...nothing but trouble.
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Correlation is not causation I konw but the more I see young kids using marijuana the more I see it screwing up their life.
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Obviously this could be alcohol instead of pot but daily use of pot is much more excepted than daily drinking.
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I have heard enough information to believe that marijuana is not a positive. Is it worse than alcohol? Maybe not. More deadly than tobacco...no. Does that mean it should be legal? NO
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The only reason to legalize it would be to control it, stop spending money on prevention/prosecution and TAX it like nobody's business.
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My fear, once legal we will be spending money on it the way we do with alcohol. Underage (assuming there would be an age restriction) would be an issue and OWI would continue to be an issue.
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Let's not kid ourselves, pot is a dangerous and potentially addictive drug. Legalizing it will only reduce the number of non violent people involved in the legal system. A nation of pot heads isn't a good thing.
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As wdwacker said, the evidence is out there, do some research. Obviously nobody is going to convince the kid of this, he uses and thinks it is great. Remember kid, denial is the first step.

camaros are crappy cars.

ROTFL Kraut. Maybe LBM can enlighten us. She is, as she once put it, "edjucated".

It would seem the inference that ownership and operation of a Chevrolet Camaro equals irresponsible use of cannabis...This Does Not Compute Will Robinson....Would the opposite axiom therefore be a person owning and driving a Ford Mustang be considered a more responsible user of marijuana?? Hopefully a better educated person than myself will shed some light on this condundrum.

good post kraut

lovebeingmarried are you friggin nuts! what does driving a camaro have to do with his standards?? Otta touch you are!!

No I just wondered if you drove one, if you do it shows you dont have a very high set of standards.

Whats a camro lovebeingmarried? If you mean camaro, no it doesnt. Thats all your simple little mind can come up with? Pathetic.

Pickin' the flysh*t outa pepper...thats about how much sense the Just Say No brigade is capable of...Hang on you blind fools, weed will be a legal medicine here soon...after that, wait and watch for the alcohol and tobacco industries to "find" each other as they do a 180 on their position on cannabis and jointly form business partnerships to grow, process and market MJ...it will happen, no matter how much pleading "...its for the CHILDREN" they put up as a stab at slowing progress. The years since 1937s manufactured anti-cannibis propaganda now number 72...pot prohibition will be lucky if it makes 75....that is all..carry on.

Mymaro is yoru name pertain to camros at all??? If yes taht explains alot......

If you had been around for ALL of the conversations with LBM freeradical, not just sticking your nose in at the tail end, you would see where the spelling references comes in. Everyone has a misspelled word from time to time, no big deal. But, like I said, if you were part of the WHOLE thing you may see where that came from. So I might suggest keeping your nose out of something that doesnt invole you and that you dont know the entire story behind. Seems you are the one looking to "sling mud".

I gotta back up inconvenient truth/the kid to janesville mom.
Agreed, kid's are incredibly perceptive(but anyone is that lives with someone their whole life, its easier to pick up on changes)
And it's ok if you choose not to smoke,drink, or smoke, in fact i applaud it. As far as the kid calling the cops on her mom-maybe her mom needed that to be done?Maybe the kid only knew what she learned in school, "pot can kill people, ruin your life!" and she called the cops with that instead of talking to mommy(who maybe can't sleep? who knows? i haven't heard the tape or whatever 9 year old you're referring to..but at least that makes this unbiased) It takes what, 10 good comments to outweigh the effect of 1 bad? Something like that?What kind of mood change was it? Her mom like to sit on the couch more? I'm sure the outcome was infinately better than an alcohol, or any other class 1 drug problem!!Maybe her mom should have talked to her about it? Maybe school shouldn't tell kids they can use pot once and DIE or that it's a gateway drug or other propoganda. I think we are all in agreement,generally, that while not for everyone, people should have the decision to medicate themselves how they see fit with marijuana(or get a doctors note)
sorry if the post is hard to follow, i'm scatter brained today and in a hurry! have a good one

Inconvenient truth, I see where you're coming from and concede to your point. What I meant was its is not addicting in that there are no withdrawal symptoms,physically. You explanation is spot on, thank you =)
I Like feeling educated...
And to the guy bickering at the other for poor spelling,give me a break! Just because someone can't spell every word doesn't reflect directly on their intelligence, or their ability to have an argument! Pot shots(tee hee) are not very nice.
Did you know Albert Einstein couldn't speak a word until he was 3?!
Think about that one. To suggest someone lacks mental capacity because their spelling isn't 100% just makes you look like you're looking for mud to sling, because you yourself don't have the capacity to solidify your argument.

While your concern is duly noted, janesvillemom, thekid3477 has made it clear that the only time he uses is when his children are sleeping. Smells and changes in mood would go unnoticed. thekid3477's carefulness in when/where he uses also does not match the obvious disregard for such concerns displayed by this mother who smoked while her child was awake and present, and would further suggest a greater care in how thekid3477 likely hides his stash, which was so easily found by the mother's child.

Good posts, freeradical; though "habitual" and "psychologically addictive" are interchangeable. The real differences are between physically dependant addicitons and psychological (habitual) addictions. Physically dependent addictions (what you refer to when you say "addictive implies there are withdrawal symptoms or negative affects") denotes substances that, when refrained from, cause negative physical reactions. Psychological addictions result in the desire to use a substance habitually, but no such physical effects occur if it is not used. So it is not wrong to say pot is addictive...it's just that it's not so in the way most people assume when talking about drug addiction (dependency, withdrawals, etc). It's more akin to my food commercial example. If that kind of an addiction is one's reason against using pot, then one might as well never eat chocolate, or drink soda, or have sex ever.

I have to agree with wdwhacker's post. Kids KNOW. The 9 yr old who called 911 told me that she suspected that her mom used drugs, even though she never SAW her do it. She could smell it and noticed changes in her Mom's mood.
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I don't think alcohol or cigarettes are acceptable either, so I'm not biased against pot. :) I agree with thekid that alcohol is just as bad or worse than pot. I don't/won't use any mind altering or potentially dangerous drugs and my kids know it.

when you guys get done bitchin at each other go back and read gazettefans post! unreal that not one person commented (that i saw) on it. Funniest post i have ever seen on ANY blog! Take care it's 420 somewhere!

I dont look for drinkers to be my friends. I look for caring loving people to be my friends. Heather = caring adn loving!

Again, you dont comprehend. This is my last post, youre making me laugh so hard I have to lay down before I die of laughter. My "go pick up a drunk to talk to you" comment was in reference to the type of friends you keep(Heather). You seem to relate to them so I was trying to find someone on your level so you would comprehend what is being said on here.

again - Im not drunk. Im doing a lot of repeating these last few days.....

Theyre only hard to follow for you. You did mean follow, not "fallow", right? Maybe I will run downtown and find a drunk to come talk to you, you should be able to relate to that a little better.

Yes I did I made it through and past it. Im not sur ehow you did thogh - you posts are very hard to fallow.

Do I need to walk you through why I said "Why is that?" step by step? Are you really that slow?

HAHAHA you really are clueless. So much fun to read your posts. How in the world did you make it through high school? Or did you?

Why is what??? Come on keep up here if you want to talk.....

Why is that? Because you cant come up with anything better?

Wow your such a big man!!!

And what is "sarcasium"? Is that something you came up with while eating your "linch"? Or is it because you still have a "headach"? All byproducts of your great "edjucation" right?

LBM, again with the lack of comprehension. Do you understand any of the stats I put up earlier? No, youre drinking around your kids doesnt GUARANTEE they will drink but it sure makes it MORE LIKELY than if you didnt drink around them. Do you and your husband not have the will power to be able to wait until the kids are in bed to have your booze?

my drinking dosent mean my kids WILL drink no. Maybe they will maybe they wont.

And facebooker - I was using sarcasium on that last post. We are nothing alike......

PLain and simple-The acorn never falls far from the tree-or is it apple?The last string of posts has less to do with drugs, and more to do with parenting. Yes, children are impressionable,but that goes without saying, and it applies to about anything. Chewing gum, smoking cigs, saying grace, holding the door open for someone....Kids do what they see, and often it matters WHO is doing what. They might see 100 people smoking cigs a day, but the chances are much better for them to never pick up the habit if mom and dad don't smoke. This goes with drinking,swearing,etc. The issue here isn't the drug, it's how you decide to deal with it and treat it. Don't blame a joint because someone smoked it. Blame the person who smoked it in front of their kids.

I dont get who yoru calling a phsyco. ??? And we seem like we are alot alike so why are you attacking me FB???

Yeah - well we didnt ever do it when they were really young - but now its once and a while. Id rather they see how we act then never seeing it and always wondering. My husbands parents let him drink at home once he was 17. His dad told him if he ever did it at a friends house and he found out he call the cops and then when he bailed him out he would "take him out back" lol It worked though cause he never did it.

I should clarify, A beer every once ina while is one thing. But if theyre doing it every day or nearly everyday then it isnt right. IMO

In my opinion niether one should be done in front of kids. They are VERY impressionable, especially when it comes to their parents. But then again LBM thinks its no big deal to drive drunk with your 2 year old in the car as long as the kid doesnt get hurt.

Teens are more likely to start experimenting with drinking if they have parents who drink, if they have friends who are also drinking, and if their parents don't give them clear messages about not drinking outside the house (if they are allowed to drink some wine with dinner, for instance).
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source http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/article/...

HAHA I thought I heard the phsyco theam song when I came online to look something up....went on here and shes baaack!!!!lol

My kids see us drink, and they know that once they are 21 its ok if you are responsible. If we smoked I would probably be the same about pot. One thing that will not be allowed are cigs.

Every day, on average, 11,318 American youth (12 to 20 years of age) try alcohol for the first time, compared with 6,488 for marijuana; 2,786 for cocaine; and 386 for heroin.2
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Alcohol is by far the most used and abused drug among America’s teenagers. According to a national survey, nearly one third (31.5%) of all high school students reported hazardous drinking (5+ drinks in one setting) during the 30 days preceding the survey.3
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much more is available to LBM. But its ok because it YOUR husband doing it right?

go figure youd think that LBM. You dont think that seeing daddy drink makes them think its ok? You really are a piece of work.

No my kids seeing daddy drink a beer is alot - ALOT different that if he was stupid enough to smoke pot by them.

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

nuff said. Over 41 BILLION dollars spent on the "war on drugs" this year alone. and rising as I type this at a rate of $600 per SECOND! Couldnt that money be better used elsewhere? Yes, it most definitely could.

Good point thekid. Alcohol is usually in plain view in most houses, even those with children. The kids see dad drinkin beer when hes grillin, watchin the game, or has a beer to relax after work. Seems WAY more kids get in trouble due to alcohol than marijuana.

lol. you crack me up. my life isnt good enough research?? ok so i looked on that site...as i have many times before...

http://www.nida.nih.gov/DrugPages/Mariju...

a quote "In 2006, 25 million Americans age 12 and older had abused marijuana at least once in the year prior to being surveyed"

what expletive ignorance. it should say ...12 and older had USED marijuana...not abused. getting high does not mean you abuse the drug. same as the millions of responsible drinkers out there. according to a web dictionary abuse is defined as 'to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority'. medical users and recreational users dont ABUSE. they USE.

i understand that there are going to be kids who use cuz there parents do. do you REALLY think more kids in this country see parents abuse marijuana...or alcohol??

They can skew their research to justify the "war on drugs" and the billions of dollars thrown away on it every year.

Yeah another government funded group. The same government that WANTS everyone to believe that pot is the devils drug. How about research from an unbias group?

you need to get off the 420.com and go to a website with reasearch.
Try the National Institute of Drug Abuse web site. (NIDA) you will find research studies on mariuana.. educate youselfs on the facts.

geez, I'd love you all in my addiction group!
As a drug counselor who works with kids, the kids are affected more than you know. Kids are smart and know what is going on. Alot of the teens I have in treatment started smoking weed because they know their parents do it..so it must be ok. Grow up and be parents!

excellent posts freeradical.

and yes...the news lately has me upbeat:) its nice to see all the good press for medical marijuana. im tellin ya...once a majority of states pass medical marijuana laws the feds will have no choice but to remove federal penalties, leaving it a states rights issue. there is not a governor in this union who wont want the dollars generated from legal pot.

By the way, good to see things are swinging back (y)our way, Kid. I'm feeling great this week =D How about you!? *grin* Even our governor sees the hypocrisy in having drugs legal like morphine, but trying to stop patients from smoking a joint!

By the way, Pot smoke has carcinogens, but they are not radioactive, [ or free radicals =) ] like cigs. The fertilizers,chemicals and pesticides used on tobacco are terrible, but since pot is generally smaller, better cared for and closely monitored operations, you won't get planes flying over dumping hundreds of gallons of terrible stuff on something you're going to ingest!!!
Smoke temporarily paralyzes cylia, possibly makign you short of breath, but it is not the same as cig smoke at all.
I mean, smoke is smoke, it is generally not GOOD for you as far as those properties go, but to compare it to a mass produced and manufactured thing like tobacco is ridiculous.
I've posted this before...but here you go. Inform yourselves.
http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20...

Sometimes the arguments against weed are so blatantly misinformed, it makes me wonder how much someone is willing to believe and practice preaching when they don't even know the facts.

Marijuana is not addicting,it is habituating.
Addictive implies there are withdrawal symptoms or negative affects when the drug is not used after long periods of sufficient doses.

Black and white; Pot is not addictive, it is habituating. Tylenol can be considered addictive if you feel like you want to take it every day because you broke your finger, doesn't mean the urge is because you're addicted, it's because it's helping you cope with a problem. Ergo-Habitual, not addictive.
Often the clarification needed makes it obvious how misunderstood this topic is, and how government propoganda as well as misninformation has led so many astray.

whythink: do you smoke marijuana?? if not, when legal will you??

"I believe if marijuana is used daily that it is addictive."
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First, thanks for sharing your belief. Now, here's a fact: I didn't say it wasn't addictive. I said it's not physically addictive.
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"I have talked with regular users and they will admit it."
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I smoke almost every day. When I don't/can't (and there have been weeks at a time), I don't experience cravings, irritability, anxiety, headaches, loss of concentration, etc. Conversely, some or all of these do occur to cigarette smokers if they go without their cigarette, because cigarettes are physically/physiologically addictive, rather than psychologically. In fact, there are actually times when I choose not to smoke, and the act doesn't cross my mind until the reason I made the choice to refrain has passed. Sometimes even longer.
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"If it is legaized more people will use it regularly"
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Yes. Because it'd be legal. That cause/effect is separate from addictiveness.
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"I also believe it is a deadly drug."
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You know what else is a deadly drug? Life.
And yep, smoking pot can be deadly. THC, however, is not. So what about my statement of "...you're not doing your lungs any favors by smoking pot, either. It's still harmful ("bad") to your health", disagrees with your belief?
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"There are facts about marijuana people don't want to address."
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Like...your beliefs? You've yet to provide such "facts."
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"I still say legalize it, be honest about it and let darwin take over. Let the government control it and tax the holy crap out of it. Better than spending money to fight it...make money off it."
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"Let Darwin take over"? You're rather flippantly arrogant, aren't you? Ignorant, too, if you think Darwin has anything to do with the choice to use pot. So, using your "Darwin" logic, pot use will weed (pun not intended) out the genetically unfavorable through potential lung cancer (how this affects natural selection, I'm unsure)?
How about you smoke my joint?

haha Right!! But If I remember from other posts her kid(s) were young enough to have nap time. ??

I really hope LMB doesnt home school her children.

Did you learn headach and linch when you got edjucated?

What is linch??? I just ate LUNCH.

You are all giving me a headach and Im just gonna go eat linch! whatever.

Saying youre educated and misspelling educated is HILARIOUS!!!

Yes, facebooker I remember the episode with Lydia. That was very funny.

"mistake - you do something you didnt mean to.

Bad choice - you choose to do something stupid."
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lovebeingmarried admits that what her friend did was worse than a mistake, yet still defends her.
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Good times.

inconvenienttruth
Oct 22, 2009 at 3:19 p.m.
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I'm going to have to agree with whythink on this one, thekai. Even if pot were legal, it would still be prudent to teach your kids not to smoke anything at all (similar to the very reason you wouldn't use pot in front of them). Yes, cigarettes are worse, but you're not doing your lungs any favors by smoking pot, either. It's still harmful ("bad") to your health. I'm not advocating demonizing anything; I simply don't see a reason why the realities should be glossed over just because pot is relatively (that being the key word) harmless, is not physically addictive, and is impossible to o.d. on. All drugs require a degree of responsibility and understanding in their use, even pot.
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Though, I will have to take issue with whythink's claim to the addictiveness of pot. While they've done some amazing things with cultivating new strains of marijuana, you're still getting the same drug, only more potently. That pot can be psychologically addictive isn't any more incriminating than the reality that food can be psychologically addictive. A commercial for food comes on the TV, and it looks so good, and I can almost taste it, and... gee, I'm hungry all of a sudden. But I don't get all fidgety and aggravated until I eat something; at most, I'm just left disappointed. Same goes for pot.
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I will disagree with most of your points. I believe if marijuana is used daily that it is addictive. I have talked with regular users and they will admit it. If it is legaized more people will use it regularly and find this out.
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I also believe it is a deadly drug. Again, if legalized we will see more use, more regular use, more regular long-term use and more lung cancer from marijuana users.
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There are facts about marijuana people don't want to address. I still say legalize it, be honest about it and let darwin take over. Let the government control it and tax the holy crap out of it. Better than spending money to fight it...make money off it.

Am I drunk?? Nope

I cant spell so what?

hahaha Did anyone watch Big Brother this summer? This is remining me of Lydias drunk episode when everyone was laughing at her. Oh my god!
Seriously did you miss some meds?

edJucated?? not enough to know what an extra chromosome means tho:) the best burns are the ones that are missed by the burnee:)

Yes I do I am edjucated!
No Im not.

Again, you obviously dont know the meaning of hypocrite. If you did you would know that you are the EXACT definition of it.

AWWW... am I being mean to you? Poor baby. I know the truth hurts but its not being mean, its being HONEST. Something you are unable to do with yourself.

um no Im really not but ok. Will I see your pic when I look up mean?

Spunkmeyer, LMB is the picture you see in the dictionary next to the word "HYPOCRITE". Everyone else that doesn something wrong is a loser, bad parent, etc.... But her friend that drove drunk with her child in the car and got in a serious accident is a great person.

thekid, LMB is rubbing off on you? ROTFL!!!

I can't believe that legalizing pot is still an issue, it was supposed to be RE-legalized back in the 1970s. But of course it's far more profitable to keep it illegal. What can YOU do about it? Stop wasting your votes on elephants and donkeys. Vote Libertarian! We favor BOTH economic and personal freedom. www.lp.org

mistake - you do something you didnt mean to.

Bad choice - you choose to do something stupid.

Mistake...bad choice...I don't see the difference. But this is pointless. You're obviously a hypocrite. Such is life.

I never said it was a ,istake, I said bad choice. And shes paying for it.

No teh kid it dosent but ok/

lmao. it does make senCe. you keep proving it. you should stop now. yer embarrassing yourself

So..let me get this straight. You judge people who smoke in the privacy of their own homes...away from their kids. But you defend someone who made a HORRIBLY STUPID mistake by driving drunk with her kid in the backseat. Ok. I see the logic there. Oh wait. No I don't.

What??? That dosent even make sence.

speaking of extra chromosome...

Wow theKID you really are a kid! making jokes about drunk driving - very nice.

yeah duh spunk. drunk driving with your kids isnt even close to inhaling marijuana smoke. there is little risk to the kid in the back seat if mom is drunk. but if i catch a buzz when my kids go to bed. yikes. im surprised my kids havent somehow ended up with an extra chromosome yet:)

She wasnt a pot head....

I'm really surprised at you lovebeingmarried. After the story about your friend, you'd think you'd be more open-minded and less judgmental.

The war on drugs sure isn't about helping people. Anyone disagree? Why?

Everyone just loves to give TheKid so much grief because he so often points out the hypocrisy of alcohol vs. pot. I think that hits a personal note with a lot of folks, so they attack him.
Don't smoke pot in front of your kids, fine. But drinking in front of them is a-okay? Smoking a reefer on a weekend getaway can put your job in jeopardy, but drink every day and it's no biggie? Get caught with a doob in your ashtray and lose your license for six months, drive your car into an SUV with a family in it and kill them because you're high on prescribed pills, but your Dr. can't prescribe your mother marijuana for her Alzheimer's, even though it helps her tremendously. Makes perfect sense to me to fight a WAR for decades, that will never be won. Billions of dollars a year, for what? I'll tell ya. To employ more government and fill the pockets of Uncle Sam.
Keep stickin' it to em Kid, You're fighting a winning battle.

no sir

you said he doesnt do it around his kids so they wont see it. Well I said neither did the parent whos kids FOUND the stash. So yes, you still lack any comprehension skills.

Why would you yell uncle??? You all make fun of me? Cause Im the one who needs it. Riiight.
yes I know what lol is.

Oh - LOL = Laugh Out Loud in case you needed help with that one.

"uncle what?" LO-Freaking_L!!!! You yell uncle when you give up. It was a joke.
My sister and I used to wrestle and who ever was pinned had to yell "uncle" to get the other person off.

uncle what?? So are you saying your kids would NEVER find it??

now im claiming my kids are perfect?? ugghhhh...uncle....

Kid said his kids will never and have never seen him do it - and his kids are perfect so they wouldnt snoop. There for they will never find it. Woah - comprehension!

You just dont comprehend much do you LMB. The kids FOUND the stash. They didnt see the parent doing it. Comprehension obviously isnt your strong suit.

Oh but he dosent do it around his kids - therefore they will never see it.

A warning to thekid: I knew of someone whose 9 year old learned about drugs at school (prevention program), found her mom's stash and called 911! The mom lost custody of her kids. Just FYI.

heck no Im not posting it here! I work at home in town - thats all Im giving.

Whats all your info LBM?!?!

lovebeingmarried: i dont know who all would read this so theres noooo way i will post that info. hold on ill send you an email

ok well if it so easy to put out there kid -
1 - your name
2- your work
3 - your home address

come one now dont hold back

Yes, bootleggers, moonshiners and speak-easy patrons during the Prohibition were "looser druggies", but once the 5th of December rolled around in 1933, drinkers of alcohol (a DRUG) were "awsome" again.

facebooker you swing back and forth more than anyone I have seen post! get a life.

LOL well I dont want to burn one but you do seem like someone Id get along with! :)

ive met several people thru this website and have had even more say we need to get togethor and burn one. someday when 'kids cafe and hemphouse' opens up maybe ill have a gazettextra fan nite. free bong hits if you give up your i.d.:) as i said before...ignorant stalkers on here have figured out, and posted who i am and how to find me. not hard. figure it out and stop by and ask for the kid. they all know here who i am and what im about. im not a loser lovebeingmarried. im just a normal cat tryin to live my life and raise my kids right. thats all.

Smarter than driving drunk with your infant child in the car.

and yes that would be awsome to met some random guy you met on line - very smart.

OH really - is it?? Duh!!! It is a LEGAL drug though.

lovebeingmarried: Alcohol IS a drug.

haha - see if I wasnt scared to meet someone I met in a blog on line Id totally want to meet you! lol

and by the way that was GOOD day gor me not godd day for me! :)

see booker...we all learn an grow as we go:) leave it to the herb to bring peace amongst bloggers...well the sane ones anywho:)

Oh - ok lol

I think she was but I was referring to the god awful spelling. I dont want to be the spelling police but my god it was so bad I couldnt resist.

not to defend her but I think she was quoting when truth called her barely literate and kid made his tiger rabbit (funny but true) analagy. lol

I cant believe we have agreed so much today mymaro. And I have agreedwith Kid...Godd day for me! :)

"Im a barely literate dead rabbit?! Awsome! is thsi was pot does to ya???"

So sorry it should read

""Im a barely literate dead rabbit?! Awsome! is THIS was pot does to ya???"
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still seeing doubles I see.

"Im a barely literate dead rabbit?! Awsome! is thsi was pot does to ya???"

So sorry it should read

""Im a barely literate dead rabbit?! Awsome! is THIS was pot does to ya???"

Sorry LBM im not an alcoholic, wouldnt fit in your circle of friends.

Yes thekid and thats only the tip of the iceberg. Its perfectly fine for her to rip other people, call them losers, bad parents, etc... But dont call her friend a bad parent for driving drunk with her kid in the car, oh no shes a great parent.

you guys are awsome can I be yoru friend too???.....

"Im a barely literate dead rabbit?! Awsome! is thsi was pot does to ya???"

Nope, I think youve been hitting the bottle. That is a very hard post to decipher. Seeing doubles on the keyboard or something?

When I read lovebeingmarried's posts, I can't shake the feeling that I'm being punk'd...and I'm not even high right now...So, yes, lovebeingmarried, your posts are what it's like smoking pot.

i didnt say you were a dead rabbit. i said its like a tiger playing with a dead rabbit. its called an analogy...but im a looser so what would i know:) lol

holy cow mymaro. i just took a brief look...a couple quotes from lovebeingmarried...

"I agree with facebooker that it seems childish to make assumptions about someone you DO NOT know"

"You have no idea what shes been through in her life and no idea who she is"

checkmate

Im a barely literate dead rabbit?! Awsome! is thsi was pot does to ya???

even if legal i wouldnt smoke in the house in front of them. campfire...thats a dift story:)

good post again IT...even tho shes calling me names i think we should leave her alone...its sorta like a tiger playing with a dead rabbit...

lovebeingmarried is obviously barely literate. The capacity for reason seems to be equally lacking. When your only strong suits are uninformed assumptions and baseless beliefs, it's easy to be self-righteous, but so frighteningly hard to let go of that security blanket in favor of actually arguing (rather than bluntly stating) an opinion through logical and factual explanations. We can learn what lovebeingmarried might think or do in a variety of situations, but we will likely never learn the justifications behind those actions. Possibly because lovebeingmarried doesn't know, either. Easier that way.

thekid, if you read her posts on the janesville woman gets sentenced then some of her other posts you would realize that your hypocrite statement is DEAD ON.

Wow, we agree again facebooker. If it were legal I dont think it would be any different than smoking cigarettes around the kids. But like you said it is still illegal and shouldnt be around the kids. When the kids are gone? Well then, puff puff pass.

i keep my drugs tight...ive actually been complimented on my joint rolling ability...oh wait you meant LOSER. you are the one throwing insults around but im the loser?? again...how much did that glass house cost you?? youre not even reading my posts you have this preconceived notion of who i am simply cuz i smoke marijuana...and thats sad. i dont care if my kids smoke pot some day or not...but i do hope they dont EVER feel its ok to judge someone...for any reason.

of course you wont start smoking cuz its legal. NO ONE WILL. those who want to smoke do...we just dont want to worry about being arrested for it. and i hate to tell you this...but if its legal and i smoke in my house thats no dif't than you drinking in your house. period. and that my dear...makes you a hypocrite.

Looser druggie??? REALLY??? He pays his bills, he takes care of his kids, he loves his family... yeah seems like a looser to me...oh wait never mind. Do you have the day off LBM??? Nothing better to do really?

I know you asked me your questions before kid but after thinking and reading and thinking I want to answer them again. :) lol
1) if legal, would you smoke marijuana?? still no

2) if legal, would you still think its wrong for me to smoke in the same house as my kids?? No it would not be any different that my husband drinking at his bday dinner I threw him this year. Our kids were there and so were others kids. IF it were legal. Im sure there are parents that still do it though and I do have issues with that.

1) if legal, would you smoke marijuana?? NO

2) if legal, would you still think its wrong for me to smoke in the same house as my kids?? Yes.

Do I want to meet a looser druggie? Ummm no thanks.

lovebeinmarried: couple questions if you dont mind...1) if legal, would you smoke marijuana?? and 2) if legal, would you still think its wrong for me to smoke in the same house as my kids??

lovebeingmarried: stalkers on this site have found me. i dont hide much of anything. i have no reason to. my knowledge and beliefs in the legalization of marijuana are not illegal. i understand why you think about me what you do, simply lack of information on the subject. thats ok. ive told several posters before...email me. id be happy to meet you and the one you lovebeingmarried to. meet my kids and see what theyre about. trust me, if what i do was even close to a negative on my kids, my ex wife would force the issue for full custody. thats just not the case. if i didnt blab to everyone everywhere to spread the truth...the FACT is you would never in a million years even know i smoke marijuana.

thanx booker...it wasnt even a choice...

I say what I see.....

Very true, thekai; marijuana does present benefits. And, so long as potential benefits are presented with potential detriments (even if not smoked with cigarettes, marijuana smoke over time impairs lung function...though avoidable through the many creative forms that THC can be delivered in lol), a mature young adult will be able to make informed decisions for themselves when they are ready.
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Also very true, lovebeingmarried - stupidity IS all you want to say, apparently.

umm maybe commitable for smoking with his kids in the house.

I dont know if I said it before or not Kid but - I find it very commendable that you gave up your life to fallow you kids out here. I know plenty of dads who wouldnt!

you make me laugh kai...uber munchies kids in the oven:) thank you for the props sir. we shall hang an burn again:)

Oh my gosh married!!!!
Why would he lie??? He has told the truth about everything else but hes lie about his kids??? Get a life!! I may not agree with everything he does but I just asked about his kids I didnt say he lied about them.

Stupidity. Thats all I want to say.

But

Kid thats what you SAY on here - is it true???

inconvenienttruth,
Duly noted. I would argue that you could take a medicinal approach (for instance, I have had NOTHING that helps a stomach ache as well as pot), then you could teach your children that responsible pot using is okay, and helpful.
While marijuana has shown to reverse certain types of cancer, and also has not shown in any study to actually increase the risk of cancers and diseases associated with cigarette smoking (or otherwise, as far as it's been researched), I suppose it is possible that it could still do a bit of harm if used in excess.
You do bring up the good point that we shouldn't take the same approach that most parents take with candy or soft drinks.
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lovebeingmarried...
Do you smoke cigarettes? Drink coffee, or other caffeinated beverages? When you get sick, how do you treat your illness? Acupuncture, holistic medicines, modern science medicines, or a mixture of those? Do you do any of the above activities when there are children in or near you presence, maybe even in the same house hold?

Everything I was just talking about can change how you act (well if it's clean acupuncture then maybe you're good there.) Some of those things affect you WORSE than marijuana. Thekid is a responsible adult. I know because I've actually met him before. I can understand why someone might at first seem concerned, but believe me, you can sleep easy tonight knowing that thekid won't get uber munchies and put one of his kids in the oven. He's got his head screwed tightly onto his shoulders and understands things like limits and responsibility.

IT: love the logic. bravo

lovebeingmarried: booker asked a stupid question and i gave a stupid answer...in your opinion...in my opinion you look just as stupid if not more for joining the convo you thought was stupid in the first place. and me smoking in my house is not bad parenting. they have noooo clue. i work 40+ hours a week. i take my kids every chance i get. i coach my kids baseball. when my ex wife got remarried and moved over here i quit my job and moved over to be with....my kids. i have never missed a child support pmt. i get my own bills paid. yer telling me im a bad parent simply because i smoke pot?? wow. id be more than happy to continue highlighting your pseudo intelligence...but you seem to be doing a fine job on your own;) good day. i said good day.

Now Im stupid??? haha
I wouldnt worry about lovebinemarrieds posts - shes just mad that no one will side with her today thats all.

WOW... Im not arguing with you. I know what I ment.
If Kid smokes pot in his bedroom while his kids are ANY where in his house its bad. As bad as if right in front of them .Either way its agnist the law, that makes it worse than if he drank a beer infront of them.

"stupidity is runnign wild today"
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Obviously.
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"I made a comment meaning - So mr Kid are your kids just in another room of yoru house while you are smoking pot?"
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I sure hope they're in another room of the house, or else thekid3477's children are sleeping outside.
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"That was it."
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Well, that, and your insinuation that it makes thekid3477 a bad parent.
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"If they are just in another room it to me is just as bad."
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"Just as bad" as...what?
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After a day at work, a parent comes home. Following preparing/serving/cleaning up after dinner, the children play or watch TV, while in the relative quiet of an adjacent room the parent reads the newspaper/balances the check book/pays bills/etc. and sips a beer or a glass of wine.
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What does this scenario represent?
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BAD PARENTING!

oh my gosh - stupidity is runnign wild today. Facebooker asked a stupid question. Kid ansered with a stupid answer.
I made a comment meaning - So mr Kid are your kids just in another room of yoru house while you are smoking pot? That was it. If they are just in another room it to me is just as bad.

"wow - I was refering to the fact that his kids could be in the other room and hes in his bedroom smoking pot." - lovebeingmarried
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Wow, indeed. First, a hypothetical is not a "fact."
Second, "of course i dont smoke in front of them, or even when theyre awake." - thekid3477
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You seem ignorant.

wow - I was refering to the fact that his kids could be in the other room and hes in his bedroom smoking pot.
You seem awsome... oh wait....

Apparently lovebeingmarried chose not to read, or he/she would have been aware that thekid3477 doesn't smoke "with... kids."
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And, yes, pot IS different than alcohol. What an astute observation.

"so your kids are just in the other room?? Nice parenting!" - lovebeingmarried
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YEAH, thekid3447, you should have your children with you AT ALL TIMES! You're a HORRIBLE parent if you are doing something in any room of your home other than the one your 7 and 9 year old children are in!
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I'm going to have to agree with whythink on this one, thekai. Even if pot were legal, it would still be prudent to teach your kids not to smoke anything at all (similar to the very reason you wouldn't use pot in front of them). Yes, cigarettes are worse, but you're not doing your lungs any favors by smoking pot, either. It's still harmful ("bad") to your health. I'm not advocating demonizing anything; I simply don't see a reason why the realities should be glossed over just because pot is relatively (that being the key word) harmless, is not physically addictive, and is impossible to o.d. on. All drugs require a degree of responsibility and understanding in their use, even pot.
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Though, I will have to take issue with whythink's claim to the addictiveness of pot. While they've done some amazing things with cultivating new strains of marijuana, you're still getting the same drug, only more potently. That pot can be psychologically addictive isn't any more incriminating than the reality that food can be psychologically addictive. A commercial for food comes on the TV, and it looks so good, and I can almost taste it, and... gee, I'm hungry all of a sudden. But I don't get all fidgety and aggravated until I eat something; at most, I'm just left disappointed. Same goes for pot.

yes not with my kids though. pot is different.

lovebeingmarried: do you drink alcohol??

i love how people question my parenting without knowing me or my kids...simply because i smoke pot. how much does it cost to build a glass house these days??

Seriously married - settle down today! God!!

kid - Nope:) I knew you sadi in a nother post but I couldnt remember what you said. Thanks though.

so your kids are just in the other room?? Nice parenting! facebooker why even ask?

If marijuana were legalized, I don't see why you would have to tell them it's bad. It's not a bad drug. It isn't addictive, it isn't very harmful, it doesn't cause psychosis, and it doesn't badly impair your judgment.
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There still exists a line though, when it comes to your children. You've given three fine examples already, whythink.
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Alcohol, tobacco, and unprotected (or otherwise) sex all have age restrictions on them. Likewise, you wouldn't hand your 9 year old a joint.

booker: my kids are 7 and 9. i smoke pot everyday. of course i dont smoke in front of them, or even when theyre awake. that would ruin everything i preach about smoking responsible and quite frankly it would be just ignorant. and let me stress...i RARELY get 'high'. just like the diff in drinking between catchin a buzz and gettin drunk. when i smoke its for a buzz. i smoke one hitter, which is about 3 inhales. at nights ill smoke 2 hitters for the buzz and then to sleep. friends come over, no kids of course, well ill get high then. my fav is the ice bong:) it cools the smoke so you can inhale more, and once its in your lungs it expands causing most to cough(which actually helps the high).

any more ???'s??

You are correct, though. Until it is legalized, the responsible thing is to tell your kids its bad. Eventually they will come to an age where you can share your true views on marijuana, but up to that point, you've just got to bite the bullet and go with the law.
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Even if legalized the 'responsible thing is to thell your kids its bad.'
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Plenty of legal (alcohol, tobacco, unprotected sex) things that are still, "BAD."
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Marijuana is a harmful and potentially addictive drug (today's version certainly is). I support it being legalized because it is too expensive to keep doing what we are doing.
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Hey kid just question, do you only do it when yoru kids are not home? Im just wondering. I know you said you share custady so Im just wondering when you feel its "ok" to do it. How old are your kids?

SRL: do you think i encourage my kids to break the law?? thats silly. my kids have never seen me drink a beer, smoke a cig, or smoke pot. until its legal or their 18 they wont see me do that. i would NEVER encourage them to break the law even if i think its a stupid law. but, THAT is exactly why we are trying to change the law. even when legal she wont encourage her kids to smoke it, nor would i, im going to teach and guide my kids to make their own choices and that there are most def consequences for making the wrong choice. when that choice comes to smoking pot...i want it to be THEIR choice and not uncle sams. i especially dont want uncle sam arresting them for that choice. see, we dont disagree at all.

"that is what parents are for"

Well said RAF-

Responsibility and accountability.

Oh boy......

Nah, I don't think that makes you a follower. I think that makes you a responsible adult. I totally agree with you there. That's part of why I want marijuana legalized. This way, like with drinking (if I ever have kids), I can show them myself how to handle the drug responsibly. Not when they're little tykes, of course, but when they're old enough.
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You are correct, though. Until it is legalized, the responsible thing is to tell your kids its bad. Eventually they will come to an age where you can share your true views on marijuana, but up to that point, you've just got to bite the bullet and go with the law.

Kai: "You have kids and you think they should be able to enjoy cola just like you do."
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I guess that's my hangup. When I have kids, I won't encourage them (in fact, I would strongly discourage them) to enjoy illegal activities, even if I think those activities should be legalized. I guess we'll call that a difference of opinion between you and me (and theKid). Yes, I realize that makes me a "follower", a "sheep" if you will. It's how I'm built.

I would like to recount my mixed success into the world of reefer.

After seeing the film Reefer Madness, I decided that precautions were necessary for my first time smoking tea. My plan amounted to chaining myself and an itinerant hooker (the best kind) to my toilet. The chains were 10 feet long and time-locked for 48 hours.

I stocked the bathroom with ample supplies of Ding Dongs, Twinkies, Good and Plenty, Doritos, Nachos, Ho Hos, and Jelly Beans.

I had had a three by three foot slot (with a door) cut into the exterior wall. The slot was for the purpose of taking delivery of Jim's pizzas and Singapore Chow Mein Fun from the King Wok on Court Street. Needless to say my $100 line was promptly maxed-out on my JC Penney credit card.

Things were going very well for the first six hours, we (her name was February) were laughing, happy, and resolved to never touching alcohol again and possibly even talked of rudimentary plans for moving to New Mexico to live with the Indians -it was either that or buying a ranch house in Footville -I can't remember for sure.

However, at the seven hour point tragedy struck when the hooker (her name was February) succumbed to insulin shock after gorging on 27 Ho Hos, nonstop. (Please, no comments about the poetic justice of a hooker dying from eating Ho Hos.) You can imagine my grief. She was a good one.

The remaining 41 hours were brutal, though marked with occasional bouts of laughter and realizations that all-in-all, tea aint such a bad thing. And just because every once-and-a while something bad happens, that's no reason
to blame it on reefer.

Currently I use medical marijuana to treat my injuries from a motorcycle crash.

The moral of the story is: Don't judge a book by its cover, I think.

;~)

I support thekid in his choice, not mine or maybe yours, as should all American’s. One of the LARGEST problems our government has is sticking their nose where is does not belong. “We” don’t need to be told by the government crossing the street in front of a car is dangerous, that is what parents are for. “We” also don’t need laws protecting us from ourselves, as this law attempts to do. Personal choice and behavior are just that personal. And we don’t need government involved in any of it.

FYI: I'm sure she meant when her children are grown and mature and wise enough to make the choice to use marijuana if/when they choose to. I am NEARLY 100% CERTAIN she did not mean that she wants her children to use marijuana as young children. That's just insane...It's meant as a thought to protect generations to come-not so her kids can get high at a party next weekend. Go Pot! :)

Allow me to try and clear this up a bit.

Imagine there is a law against drinking caffeinated beverages. Now imagine that you very much like, say, cola. You can't drink cola publicly though because it's illegal.

You have kids and you think they should be able to enjoy cola just like you do. You don't want to even indicate any sense of permitting an illegal act though, even though you don't understand why the law is the way it is in the first place.

So, you want caffeinated beverages to be legal so that your kid won't be labeled a criminal for drinking some ice cold and delicious cola.

Does it make any more sense now? If not, I can keep going...

that is EXACTLY my point. why do i have to risk being labeled a criminal FOR LIFE for smoking pot?? you nearly agree that it should be legal but you dont understand why i, as a tax paying responsible adult citizen of the united states, and millions other dont want to be labeled a criminal?? i dont understand where you are coming from...at all. sure we're breaking a law and will be labeled as such...but its a ridiculous law and thats why i, and people like the lady in this story, do what we do, which is to try an educate people on the REAL effects of smoking pot so our kids dont have to worry about a STUPID law should they decide to smoke pot. how do you not get that...

So, your argument is "I want it legal so I don't get busted and labeled a criminal if I break the law."?
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I understand the argument that smoking pot doesn't necessarily hurt anyone else. I get that argument as well as some of the others (taxes, making room in jails/prisons, etc).
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But to say "it" should be legal because you don't want to be labeled a criminal when breaking the law is ridiculous. Doesn't matter what "it" is or who could or wouldn't be hurt in the process. Breaking the law is breaking the law.

SLR: you understand the pro-pot argument and nearly support the legalization but dont understand her comment?? her comment IS the pro-pot argument(one of them:). i want pot legal so my kids dont have to worry about being labeled a criminal if they decide to use. risk losing scholarships cuz they decide to smoke pot. your analogy isnt exacly correct because her kids smoking pot in a responsible manner puts no one at risk. her kids driving irresponsibly over the speed limit puts innocent drivers/pedestrians at risk.

"Corry's arguments focus ... also on protecting her own children should they decide to try marijuana someday."
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Say, WHAT? Ok, I get the other pro-pot arguments and I very nearly support the legalization, but to argue that marijuana should be legal so her children don't get busted is over-the-top. That's like saying "We need to do away with speed limits, so when my children are old enough to drive I don't have to worry about them getting tickets."

ive had people from the right and the left email with quesions about medical marijuana, or just telling me they support what i do. the ending of marijuana prohibition does not know party lines, at least nearly as much as any other topic it seems. good to see some GOOD press for my beloved plant finally. im not sure if the blind can read the good stuff or not, but i hope they see the light. theres a million 'thekid's out there who enjoy marijuana responsibly. 20-25 million actually according to uncle sam. i talk about my consumption to EVERYONE which makes me a tad dift...but as free taxpaying american citizens we should not have to risk prosecution or persecution for relaxing...with...a...plant....

heres the gallup poll she mentions...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123728/U.S.-S...

I find it offensive that this article is basically calling me stupid (or that I like to make other people more interesting?)... Without sounding too pig-headish, I'd wager that there is probably a good chance my IQ is as high or higher than the writer of this article. If I'm stupid, then what does that make this author?

In my own words, I certainly would never consider the author of this work to be stupid, or anything below decently educated...

No need to post much, its all in the article.

They've decided to let people with disabilities smoke, and those who supply them go without repercussions. This is a great move, think of how many dollars we can re-allocate!
Money spent to jail Tommy Chong for glassware; 12 Million
Money offered for the reward of finding or giving information leading to the finding or killing of Osama Bin Laden;50million(25 million from 01-07)
HA! For a time, Tommy Chong was half as dangerous as Osama!? Wake up people, the war on drugs is more smoke screen than an actual war. It a deflective tactic by the government and reinforced by the media.

Finally, cancer patients can smoke a joint in peace.

HA! I beat him to it. :)
FINALLY..people are beginning to see the light. Hallelujah!

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