Janesville man bags rare white buck

By FRANK SCHULTZ ( Contact )   Saturday, Nov. 28, 2009
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Josh Heussner poses with a white deer he shot while hunting south of Whitewater on Nov. 21. Although the animal was 99 percent white, it had brown eyes, so it is not an albino.

Josh Heussner poses with a white deer he shot while hunting south of Whitewater on Nov. 21. Although the animal was 99 percent white, it had brown eyes, so it is not an albino.

— Josh Heussner has hunted with his father, Terry, ever since he was 12, but the 33-year-old Janesville man had never set his sights on anything like this.

It was near the end of opening day when a white deer appeared in a field just south of Whitewater.

“I had to look several times in my scope to believe what I was seeing. A white deer, no way! He walked right at me, and when the buck was about 150 yards out, he turned broadside and stopped looking away from me,” Heussner wrote in an e-mail to Clinton taxidermist Chad Nelson. “Not missing the opportunity, I took aim and pulled the trigger.”

Then he had to wait. The six-point buck took off, and by that time, the hunting day had ended, and shooting was no longer allowed. The Huessners had to wait till the next morning to track it down.

They found it, not far away. It was 99.9 percent white, but the eyes were brown, so it wasn’t an albino, Heussner said.

Heussner has Nelson mounting the rare deer. Nelson said he has put out the word among taxidermists, who tell him that a white deer is rare, with only a few taken each year in Wisconsin.

“Everybody I talk to says you hardly ever see them, and you hardly ever get a chance to shoot them if you do see them,” Heussner said.







reader COMMENTS (123)
Opinionsforfree
Dec 15, 2009 at 3:37 p.m.
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I would have to say everyone on this board need to chill and smoke some pot

Opinionsforfree
Dec 15, 2009 at 3:29 p.m.
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Now the white buck is just that much more on the rare side of things

momof3girls
Dec 15, 2009 at 2:55 p.m.
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Plus to the person who wanted to know how he knew if it was albino or not, that is what they make scopes for plus it is legal to hunt albino in the cwd area, and you know that if he didn't get it someone else would have and they also would of had a article in the paper at least my husband eats what he kills!

momof3girls
Dec 15, 2009 at 2:48 p.m.
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I heard there was all kinds of people commenting on this story, which everyone has the right to there own views. But has anyone considered that he knew all the laws (even on white deer) before he shot, that he did try tracking the deer but lost the trail because it was getting dark (if you look in the pic he does wear glasses), that he's a hard working man who hunts to help feed his family because making ends meet is sometimes hard and not having to buy meat from the store saves a ton of money through out the year!! You can say all you want about hunting and the color of the deer but I am personally very proud of my husband putting food on the table for his 3 daughters and myself.

BunBun
Dec 9, 2009 at 12:55 p.m.
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CWD areas allow for taking of albino deer as well as common.
now ask why we still have Earn a Buck in the CWD zone. If you get an answer out of the DNR I would be surprised.

jk1304
Dec 7, 2009 at 3:34 p.m.
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How is it possible that this hunter knew for a fact this was not a rare albino deer? Was the eye color obviously visible at 150 yards away? It was almost dark (he had to wait until morning to track it) so, how did he know for sure?

Truth
Dec 2, 2009 at 11:26 p.m.
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Venison is very tasty. It's even got it's own Odiferous, ofactory emanations.

justme46
Dec 2, 2009 at 9:09 p.m.
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My hubby says "you need a reasonable harvest of a renewable resource" that's his theory and he is sticking by it!!! You don't have to hunt if don't want to, and if you want to, do so legally, ethically and humanely. Shoot to kill, not maim. Then either eat what you harvest, give it to a friend or to a charity. JMO

justme46
Dec 2, 2009 at 8:58 p.m.
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You anti-hunting people are enough to crack anyone up!!! It's fun just to sit and read your posts. DiGriz, you go man!!! I don't eat venison, but it is a necessity to kill them. People don't realize that their ancestors lived on venison, fish, fowl, etc. They couldn't go to WalMart and buy organic this or that. Heck, they couldn't even go buy veggies, they had to grow them and guess what? The fertilizer comes out of an animal, go figure!!! That huntingstinks fellow is a real gem!! I love to read these and have a good laugh, right along with my barbaric husband who hunts and eats venison.

redder
Dec 2, 2009 at 6:54 p.m.
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WHY?

DiGriz
Dec 2, 2009 at 5:46 p.m.
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(This comment was wrapped in bacon, seared on both sides, then slow cooked to medium rare then served with a garlic wine sauce, a side of fresh steamed broccoli, and nice glass of chianti by the site staff.)

DiGriz
Dec 2, 2009 at 5:35 p.m.
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You go bobby boy, you go....I'm sure the DNR will take it seriously. They will certainly be interested in putting themselves out of work. Hey, call 'em up. Everyone needs a good laugh now and then, even DNR dudes and dudettes, don'tcha think??
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"Hello, DNR?? Yeah, I wanna report that people are slaughtering our deer in Wisconsin!!!"
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"Um, are you serious sir?"
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"Yes!! I am!! I just saw a bunch of guys wearing blaze orange trying to shoot deer!!"
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Phone drops........
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(sounds of people falling over, laughter, people hitting heads on walls and desks.....laughing)

lovetoscrap
Dec 2, 2009 at 4:52 p.m.
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Actually smarty, many of us would never had the opportunity to see the deer if it weren't for the picture posted above. So, my thanks to the gazette and the hunter.

Also, my brother was also hunting taliban and al queda and brought home a video of his "kill" as a trophy to prove it. We were very proud of him! LOL...have fun with that all!

bobswn
Dec 2, 2009 at 4:01 p.m.
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Are there any people out there that is sick of the slaughtering of all our deer, these are the people you contact. At the DNR.
keith.warnke@wisconsin.gov
jason.fleener@wisconsin.gov
I figure if there's enough of us complaining they might listen for once

Truth
Dec 2, 2009 at 2:53 p.m.
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You got me Grizz, I eat vegitarians. Everyone knows that the only way to eat them is wrapped in bacon.

Purrmaid
Dec 2, 2009 at 2:34 p.m.
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DiGriz, you crack me up! :) Your comment, "Vegetarian" - Native American word for "Lousy Hunter" reminds me of a T-Shirt I saw in a recent catalog: "I'd be a vegetarian if bacon grew on trees." lol

DiGriz
Dec 2, 2009 at 11:22 a.m.
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Was there a point in there somewhere, Kman??
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"If it's brown it's down" is something my dad used to say, acually, when we had both buck and doe tags if he thought we should go ahead and put some meat on the table rather than be picky. Buck only is buck only. You have to be sure that it's a buck. "If it's brown it's down" means that you get the meat if given the opportunity, whether buck or doe, and you have a tag for it. My father grew up in a time in N. Wisconsin where his uncles would say "go shoot some meat" so he grabbed his rifle and did so....whenever they needed it. His family was very poor up there, and during WWII and before, meat was hard to come by for them unless they shot it themselves. Yep, it was poaching, but everyone did it - to survive. And if it was brown, it was down. "You can't eat the horns" is another silly cliche he used to say. Since I have to explain everything to you it seems, that means that the horns are not the tastiest part of the deer. You can in fact eat them, but I don't do so myself. Do you need me to draw you a picture of a deer, kman?
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On opening day of the 2007 deer season, I shot and dropped a seven-point "basket rack" at about 8 a.m. After taking care of the necessaries, my bro and I decided that we should get back in our stands and hunt for a couple more hours before dragging the deer out and getting some lunch. Where we hunt in Northern Wisconsin, you are lucky to see more than one or two deer a day. At 9:05, another deer showed up. I had already filled my buck tag, but had a doe tag to fill. This seemed to be very good fortune, so when I had a good shot, I took it, thinking I was lucky to be able to fill the doe tag right away as well. It was a legal spike buck, so my brother had to tag it. I could not see the spikes behind the ears as it walked broadside to me, so thought it was a doe. The point is that when presented tags for both buck and doe by the state, "If it's brown, it can be down." There is nothing unethical about that. And truly, it doesn't matter what color the deer is on the outside, they all taste pretty much the same (the brown ones don't taste like dark chocolate vs. white). But I'd much rather harvest a young doe than a seven year old buck with a monster rack to eat. "You can't eat the horns." -- One of the largest racks on record in Wisconsin has been passed off by the owner as being shot by his dad. The last I knew, it was in a bar in Milwaukee. The deer was actually poached by my father in 1943. He gave the rack away, and it was in a bar up North until the guy from Milwaukee bought it from them and had it scored. I have photos of it and my dad. Nothing silly about "the cliches".....unless someone is reading into them with nothing but malice and bias. I'm not a trophy hunter, BTW. I do it because I enjoy hunting, and because I have enjoyed eating venison since I was a child. I don't find it gamey at all, perhaps because I eat it ALL THE TIME.

farmgirl
Dec 2, 2009 at 10:08 a.m.
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Boy I sure wish I had gone hunting this year, I am REALLY geting hungry for some venison, or even phesant...MMMMM anyone have some extra they don't want? I would gladly take it off your hands for you.

truth1
Dec 2, 2009 at 8:42 a.m.
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Well, nobody has to worry about ME shooting ANY deer ever again, or catching any fish....I don't give my money to morons and imbeciles which is what the DNR consists of.....They're all safe with me (LOLOL...

DiGriz
Dec 2, 2009 at 8:37 a.m.
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Who eats their minions? Well, I suppose Hannibal Lector might, if they test him. A census taker tried to test him once, and he ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. Or maybe vampires, if they were starving, might "eat" their minions, but they wouldn't need to filet them.
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Filet mignon, does not require cooking with bacon wrapping (barding?), but it usually is in the U.S. because of the low-level of fat or marbling of this non-weight-bearing cut of meat. Any way you slice it and cook it, from filet mignon to chateaubriand, it's delicious. I can't wait to sink my teeth into one when I get home in about 35 days or so!!

Truth
Dec 2, 2009 at 1:26 a.m.
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Isn't Filet Minion flavored with a bacon wrap?

DiGriz
Dec 1, 2009 at 10:35 p.m.
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"What was gained by shooting a rare and beautiful animal."
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White or brown, they taste the same. Yummy.

eirann3
Dec 1, 2009 at 9:48 p.m.
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What was gained by shooting a rare and beautiful animal. If this man is such a great hunter, he probably would have had a second chance. If I were him I would be ashamed of myself, not posing for the paper. Shame on the Gazette for giving him any publicity.

DiGriz
Dec 1, 2009 at 9:26 p.m.
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"Vegetarian" - Native American word for "Lousy Hunter."

HuntingStinks
Dec 1, 2009 at 9:15 p.m.
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lafoot, you asked, "how do you feel every time you eat a chicken, fish, turkey..." Well, what you "feel" is that it's in your best ethical interest to become a vegetarian and not contribute to the murder and slaughter of animals for human use and consumption. That thought didn't enter your mind?
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And those talking up venison "sausage" and mixing it in with other artery-clogging animal flesh and organs, you must have a death wish, for the life-degrading effects of those dietary habits are well documented. Or perhaps you are so possessed by you primal instincts and urges, and understandably so, that you can't break away from the pack. But Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Obviously Emerson was saying that in the face of data that enjoins us to change, we are fools not to change. I encourage those with an open mind to read "The Jungle" - perhaps that might lead you to plant a seed of change in your mind that will ultimately foster a more healthful lifestyle for you and your loved ones. In this spirit I wish you all the best of health.

lafoot55
Dec 1, 2009 at 6:15 p.m.
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It is fun to read all the comments posted here. All I can really add is for those of you who never hunt deer you should not criticize something you have no knowledge of. To say venison sausage is the same as beef or pork is just plain dumb. Yes, they do mix a little beef or pork or both in the sausage, they have to for the fat. I have had both good and bad venison sausage but can tell you after eating venison it is hard to go back to that ultra fatty beef summer sausage. And for those of you who think it is so cruel to shoot a deer, how do you feel every time you eat a chicken, fish, turkey, or any other animal and wear leather goods like shoes or jackets. What animal gave up its life so you could enjoy it. I did not know about the rule of shooting white deer/albinos in the cwd zone but I would not have taken the shot any more than I would shoot a deer with spots though there are some who would. But lets not judge any one who did, it is not our place to do so. Often times the window of opportunity to shoot a deer is quite short so you do not have the luxury of thinking about it til afterwards.

Truth
Dec 1, 2009 at 5:29 p.m.
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OMG! Someone finally brought up that this oversized rat was a birth defect. A double recessive gene even.

smartypnts50
Dec 1, 2009 at 5:07 p.m.
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I wish the hunter could have let the rare beauty live rather than kill it for his own trophy. Too bad others can't share that rare sight in the beautiful woods and fields rather than just the head on his wall for just a few. I am not against hunting. I just think sometimes a thing of beauty could be left untouched by humans. Once in awhile.

babaloo1
Dec 1, 2009 at 4:40 p.m.
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I came from a family that thinks hunters are barbarians. I married into a hunting family and have been stuck in the middle ever since! I have hunted with my husband over the years and have learned from him a lot of great things about the outdoors and nature. I cried when I shot my first turkey as there is such a huge range of emotions you feel. We generally butcher our own deer and yes we have landjaggers and sausage made as thats what we like. I went with my son to Hunters Safety and I sat in duck blinds with him too. It has been a family activity and we do as much as we can possibly do to make it humane. Do you know people donate deer to food pantries to feed hungry families or the homeless in WI? Or some Lions clubs will take the hides to have tanned and made into gloves for people in wheelchairs to use??

DiGriz
Dec 1, 2009 at 4:22 p.m.
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I haven't had the opportunity to experience that here...My experience so far is getting rockets and mortars shot at me.... But I hear that those who do get the opportunity feel only one thing....
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mytake4u
Dec 1, 2009 at 3:53 p.m.
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DlGriz.......there is nothing quite as exhilerating as lining up the crosshairs on a taliban or al queda POS and squeezing the trigger, watching the round impact, and seeing the POS suffer........go army-beat islam

DiGriz
Dec 1, 2009 at 3:11 p.m.
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"Well the rare white deer just got a whole lot rarer."
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It certainly is rare right now. I prefer them cooked medium-rare, and served with sautee'd morel mushrooms.

Purrmaid
Dec 1, 2009 at 2:30 p.m.
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Though not a huntress myself, isn't there some merit in culling genetic aberrations?

DiGriz
Dec 1, 2009 at 12:04 p.m.
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uh-huh-uh-huh-uh-huh-uh-huh...Purdy White Buck....yeah, I'm gonna get dat, Purdy White Buck....

DiGriz
Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 a.m.
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Twerp13 - I didn't know that about CWD. My family is from Phillips, way up Nort, and da CWD is not up dare yet, don'cha no? That makes sense that they'd allow shooting white or even blaze orange deer in the CWD Zones. Thanks for the answer to my question!
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When I started hunting deer in 1975, you could still wear red, and everyone including my dad wore red coats. Blaze orange came in around 1978 if I remember right.

guitrguy
Dec 1, 2009 at 10:28 a.m.
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Well the rare white deer just got a whole lot rarer.Would'nt it be better to see something like this walking around alive instead of stuffed and mounted? Pathetic really...........

Truth
Nov 30, 2009 at 11:30 p.m.
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I do remember hearing about the CWD zone issue, but I wanted a link to back up that statement.

As for the Red suit, DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUSE?

twerp13
Nov 30, 2009 at 9:09 p.m.
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digriz: LOVE that comeback...
I wish we would have been able to go out hunting this year, I have been hungry for some venison. My daughter would have loved to get that white buck, and no it would not have been illegal even if it was a albino. It is true that most albinos are illegal to shoot HOWEVER in CWD zones it is ok. We were told this at last years hunters ed class my daughter took. The game warden said that they want to reduce the deer population and so that rule was relaxed.
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We have always eaten what we have hunted and tried to use every part for other uses (the hide for leather, antlers for crafts, etc..) I have a friend who is a buckskinner and he tans the hides (brain tanned) for his rendezvous. But the primary goal is for the meat.
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As for the red out fit reference, I remember being told once that long before blaze orange, hunters had to wear red when hunting, so maybe that was what it was all about. If not then yes the previous poster was color blind LOL

HuntingStinks
Nov 30, 2009 at 8:52 p.m.
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Hey kid, we've already been down the moron route. Get with the program, you Johnny-come-lately.

HuntingStinks
Nov 30, 2009 at 8:48 p.m.
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Crafty, you clever devil you, I know where you're going. If you can't guess my opinion, you're not very crafty...

crafty
Nov 30, 2009 at 6:40 p.m.
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+++HUNTINGSTINKS+++, what is your opinion on abortion?

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 6:29 p.m.
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Finally, someone said it.... Thanks, Truth!
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I myself would not have shot it, because sitting in my treestand with my Combination AK57-Uzi-radar-laser-triple-barreled-double-scoped-heat-seeking shotgun (Betty-Lou), I doubt I would have been able to see that the deer had brown eyes, and not pink, and therefore unable to tell if it was an albino or not. It's illegal to shoot albino white-tailed deer in Wisconsin. Why'd this hunter take the chance?
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You know, if it was a blaze-orange deer, it would have been relatively safe.....of course, except from Illinois hunters.... :D

Truth
Nov 30, 2009 at 6:02 p.m.
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In my opinion, I believe the red suit scenario is a reference to Santa Clause.
Does anyone really think this guy knew this deer wasn't an albino?

thekid3477
Nov 30, 2009 at 5:46 p.m.
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at least, in your opinion, indys is an oxymoron...your continued posts indicate no oxy needed;)

HuntingStinks
Nov 30, 2009 at 5:37 p.m.
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Hey hannah montana why take the shot at all - can't you read - I'm against hunting - can't you read? Can't you think?
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Indy there you go - another one using the oxymoron "responsible hunter." They just don't go together - when will you ever learn? And, neither of these are "humane," factory farming nor hunting. Both are equally revolting, "former vegetarian."

IndysGirl
Nov 30, 2009 at 4:31 p.m.
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I have known responsible hunters that enjoy the sport and tradition of hunting, are passionate about nature, and honor and respect the animal in life and death. Hunting is far more humane than the mass-slaughter of livestock and exploitation of labor on a factory-farms for commercial profit. As a former vegetarian, I never really understood all the anger about deer hunting when there is so much else going on in the carnivorous world that is so much worse.

SwissChick
Nov 30, 2009 at 4:01 p.m.
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Not if you buy the "beef" ones!!!
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(Wink, wink. Just shinin' ya!) Grew up on a farm. I know full well what goes into a hot dog and a canned ham, which I hate and won't buy. I won't even get into head cheese. Argh!

justme46
Nov 30, 2009 at 3:01 p.m.
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DiGriz, you are a cartoon! I caught your reference to Clarice in the Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal. Quite clever! I'd like to know what hunter wears a RED suit to hunt, Spirit. It is orange, are you color blind? Nowadays a gun is cheaper to buy than a camera! And what about those hot dogs most people eat? Have you ever seen what they are made of? Gross sh_t, but most of us eat them, right?

thekid3477
Nov 30, 2009 at 2:31 p.m.
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kman...im a bit disappointed at your response...someone tells you that you need medicine you should just smile and agree...;)

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 1:22 p.m.
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Oh, havn't banded any Owls lately.. Spirit...Not since the GGOW's. Not part of my research, but an opportunity. And if you are so smart, you know where my banding data goes, so why ask?? Stupid question.

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 1:17 p.m.
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Silly Spirit....
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I started working at Sand Bluff back when it was a piece of crap building filled with pigeon dung and we worked with coleman lanterns for light....Now it's a tourist attraction. Ask Johnson how many years it took him to actually think about publishing his research? I still don't think he's done it, and hasn't even touched his thesis. He hasn't published a thing since the 60's. At least I've been working towards a research goal, other than pandering to the public for 38 years so that I could buy nets on someone else's dime.

BunBun
Nov 30, 2009 at 12:51 p.m.
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kman53-
Never said that everyone in Madison was a sprout type, just that the ones I have run across seemed to me to have little enjoyment out of life. Perhaps I misread them as they may get thier enjoyment out of letting everyone within earshot know that they don't eat meat (eggs,dairy,...etc) while sneering at someone eating a gyro. I lived in the campus area so perhaps my perspective was skewed by those sprout types who usually finalized a lecture on how a vegan lifestyle is superior by lighting up a Marlboro.

Spirit
Nov 30, 2009 at 12:49 p.m.
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DiGriz, you're an absolute hoot! Maybe you banded too many owls as an "independent research ornithologist". Yeah, right. So what database do you contribute your data to if you eschew legitimate organized banding groups like Sand Bluff because they're (sic) "miopic and narrow-minded"? They would seem that way to you, because they are Naturalists and actually value nature and don't want to destroy and eat its citizens. I doubt if they'd have you anyway; kind of like having a fox in charge of the henhouse. Speaking of which, banded any chickens lately?

BunBun
Nov 30, 2009 at 12:42 p.m.
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I don't personaly care for the trophies but for those that complain- you can still eat the deer and have a trophy as well (even the native Americans did not eat the antlers).
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more skill in taking a photo vs. shooting a deer at 100 yds? What are you using for a camera? a pocket 110?
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there are some people who are crappy hunters but I believe they are a minority but seem to be well distributed in the general population. Ethical and safe hunters don't get the press of some goof shooting at a DNR decoy from a truck.

localboysince1968
Nov 30, 2009 at 12:37 p.m.
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The telletubbies must have ditched their suits and jumped on this blog. Most vegans do it for the attention and to be different. They are like leaves in the wind, not knowing which way to go. The lack of good meat makes their minds and bodies weak, except for their mouths which always seem to be working overtime to tell you how you should switch to their lifestyle. Most don't last on it and come back to what tastes good - animals....

BunBun
Nov 30, 2009 at 12:25 p.m.
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"kman53
bunrun- Thanks for speaking for the millions of people you don't know".
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You missed the meeting where I was appointed spokesrabbit.
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I lived in Madison at one time so I believe I have become aquainted with a representative sample but my point was an observation not a definative fact.

SwissChick
Nov 30, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.
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DiGriz - Good luck with what's in season now!

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 11:28 a.m.
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Hey, while I'm thinking of it, Spirit, do you worship mother nature?? Is she your god/goddess? How do you know that your god owns all the creatures of the earth? If she does, I want to send her a letter and complain to her about that incident with the Grizzly Bears and Tim Tredwell (snackwell). Was Timmy fooling with mother nature when they killed and ate him? If the bears were under orders from M.N., then they were hapless victims in the whole deal, and should not have been shot.

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 11:22 a.m.
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Spirit - Grog try eat picture once. No like taste. Deer taste good. Spirit stupid if eat picture.

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 11:20 a.m.
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Spirit, GTH. You don't know a thing about me, and are making assumptions based on nothing. As a matter of fact, I don't get my venison processed with anything. I have it butchered, that is all. Any other processing, like grinding into hamburger, I do myself. I've been eating venison since I was old enough to eat meat - and all year, unlike a lot of you city folk. I only hunt what I will eat.
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You might be surprised to know that I am also an Ornithologist - and band birds for research purposes (yeah, on my own, not under Sand Bluff). To some, that might seem like quite a quandry - but that's only because those people are miopic and narrow-minded. My dad once asked me "If you love birds and nature so much, why do you hunt grouse?" I told him simply that it was the bird's fault. If they didn't taste so good, I would have no reason to shoot them and eat them. But why am I telling you this, Spirit? You wouldn't understand and don't want to anyway.
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And BTW, the only thing I'm hunting right now, if anything, is Taliban and Al Queda, so shove off and stick it where the sun don't shine.

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 11:10 a.m.
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Grog agree Annie. Grog only hunt for food. No need shoot deer for sport. Grog want sport, Grog throw rocks at geckos.

Spirit
Nov 30, 2009 at 11:07 a.m.
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So it's deer season again and all the evolutionary throwbacks like dgriz like to put on their little suits and shore up their masculinity by killing and maiming mother natures creatures. They call it "hunting". You can hunt with a camera too, but it takes more skill because you have to get closer. When you do your ritual in your little red suit, it's just an alignment problem: crosshairs on the right spot or front and rear sights on the same. No skill required at 100 yards. So you pull the trigger and take your pathetic picture: bigger number of points makes you a bigger hero: "Me shootum big buck". And then justify the barbarity and proceed to say "I like the meat", but grind it up into sausage, seasoned to disguise the "wild flavor" so it tastes like store-bought stuff. You're not fooling anyone, you know. Get a camera and become a true sportsman.

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 11:05 a.m.
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Grog make snorting sounds at thing truth say! Fall over, snort on ground and roll on rocks.

Truth
Nov 30, 2009 at 10:53 a.m.
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It all Ogg Ama Fault

Truth
Nov 30, 2009 at 10:51 a.m.
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(Ugg Cave Drawing taken there by Big Lizard-Him no Like here thing)

timbo66
Nov 30, 2009 at 10 a.m.
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HuntingStinks: It seems like we barbarians are the ones getting you p***** off. We've been around since the beginning of time, you on the other hand, just "evolved" didn't you.
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You might as well settle down, I think you got a long wait a head of you.

annie50
Nov 30, 2009 at 9:10 a.m.
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I believe hunting should be done for the food...period. The person who shot this deer did it for sport. The trophy. And this deer suffered for because of one person's obsession to have it for a trophy. I doubt the guy that killed this deer was really interested in the venison. Only interested in the sport of the kill. Pretty sad.

DiGriz
Nov 30, 2009 at 8:54 a.m.
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"Perhaps the only recourse is to wait for this mentality to die off and human evolution to work its gradual magic."
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Grog think same thing. Thoughts on other side of rock from you, tho.

HuntingStinks
Nov 29, 2009 at 11:56 p.m.
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After reading all this I must confess I'm disheartened, quite low. Perhaps the only recourse is to wait for this mentality to die off and human evolution to work its gradual magic.
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Hopefully in the morning I'll be back to my usual spunky self to p*** off all you barbarians some more.

DiGriz
Nov 29, 2009 at 8:11 p.m.
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Something else my hostile mind came up with....
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Regarding the people who hunt that have that "If it's brown, it's down" mentality........If that white deer had come up to them when they were hunting, would they have just stood there not knowing what to do like a deer in the headlights?
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"Dad said that if it's brown....it's down....which means shoot it....but this deer is white......."

DiGriz
Nov 29, 2009 at 8:05 p.m.
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O.k.,......I guess I'll just have to say it if no one else will...........
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Piebald Deer............the OTHER white meat...

melstew47
Nov 29, 2009 at 6:55 p.m.
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hateful trolls,how funny lol

Truth
Nov 29, 2009 at 6:52 p.m.
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I agree with all of you non hunters. We should hunt them with baseball bats and mouse traps!

As for mixing Venison with other meats, it is because the meat is so lean.

realist
Nov 29, 2009 at 6:36 p.m.
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I get a kick out of people saying this deer should have been passed up because it was white or rare. It really isn't any more rare than a world record buck is it? Should people pass on world record class bucks because they are rare? It seems as if these white deer are actually less rare than world class bucks. I recall a few of them killed last year as well in the local area. How many world record bucks were killed in the area? Give me a break.

DiGriz
Nov 29, 2009 at 6:05 p.m.
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Good advice, Shopiere.. I always quit before dark just because I don't like the thought of not being able to track them if I make a mistake and don't hit a vital. I don't shoot unless it's a good shot. I think the people you are talking about have a it's brown so it's down mentality, but I'd say that's been going on for as long as I can remember.
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Kman, since you mention it, I'm sure I'm a better man than you based on your senseless and farcical assumptions alone. I don't have to worry about that, not that I would. And BTW, I carry an M-16A2 with a red-dot and 30 rounds of ammo at a minimum with me 24 hours a day. Does that scare you even more, Betty? I'm not a hostile person....you don't even know me.

Shopierehuh
Nov 29, 2009 at 5:23 p.m.
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No one has to justify hunting to non hunters, in particular to the hateful trolls that stalk these boards. I hunt because I like to, and the meat is good.

However, after 46 years of Wisconsin deer hunting, I'm seeing what appears to be a trend that shows a lack of ethical behavior by hunters. This involves taking shots at deer late in the day, then not making every attempt to find the animal, they are just waiting until the next day. By then, with the high temperatures, the meat is ruined, the animal was killed for nothing. The same thing happened a year ago with the albino deer near Lima Marsh. It is a d*** shame to shoot a deer just for a mounted head.

If you are not going to make every attempt to retrieve the animal, I would suggest not taking the shot late in the day. If you make a good shot in the heart-lung, the deer will be a few yards away, sometimes 30 feet, sometimes 50 yards, let it die for a while, then go find it. Follow the blood after dark, if need be. If the hunter is afraid of the dark, don't take late day shots.

BunBun
Nov 29, 2009 at 4:37 p.m.
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the bean sprout crowd may outlive the meat eaters, but they don't seem to enjoy it.

BunBun
Nov 29, 2009 at 4:01 p.m.
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Anyone complaining that the poor deer ran off to die has no understanding of how far a deer can run after a fatal hit. Unless you hit the brain or spine, a deer can still run several hundred yards. Shows you that deer are quite tough (and they taste good too.)
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(food) for thought: which is more humane- 1) lives in a stall, force fed feed and killed with a hammer or 2) lives wild till taken out of the blue by a rifle?

DiGriz
Nov 29, 2009 at 3:22 p.m.
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I understand the empathy of people like huntingstinks (mind if I call you "Clarice?"), but they should keep it to themselves. If they don't have the balls to kill something in order to eat it, or allow it to be killed and put on a supermarket shelf, they should rejoice in their own sanctimonious epiphany of empathy and stuff their mouths with bean sprouts or otherwise shut up. Hunting is natural, is necessary, and for those of us who can stomach the killing, which is more humane and natural if done correctly than the guy killing the livestock at your local abbatoir, we don't need to hear how holy, empathetic, and enlightened you are. If people could not normally digest meat, I'd see your point. Unfortunately for tasty things like deer, squirrel, cattle, sheep, pigs, etc., we can indeed digest meat. And I love animals. I really do. I love them in stew, fried, baked, roasted, barbequed, marinated, etc. You can stick to your dead yams and bean sprouts, which also used to be alive. But they don't bleed or show pain, and that's the real problem people have with hunting. That's why people like "Clarice" only eat something like yams for thanksgiving..or beansprouts. They don't bleed, and they don't scream when you kill them. Or do they, but you just can't hear them? If they did and you could, would it make a difference?
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We who can stomach the killing part are not impressed with the fact that you can't handle it. Perhaps those people should get some stronger medication, because I've found that most people who really have a problem with hunting for the reasons outlined above have problems that medication usually addresses. Which is why they can't stand to see anything suffer, or to suffer others to see anything suffer. Just can't stand all the suffering......so if you hurt a pretty deer, you should be locked up and made to suffer (or something like that..).
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Last year, I didn't shoot a deer. I had a spike buck serve himself up to me on a platter on opening morning. The little SOB even layed down twenty yards from me. I didn't shoot him, though he was legal. In my opinion, I thought he should be allowed to live a year or two more. And I wasn't in a hurry to kill. I'd much rather shoot a two or three year-old doe. They taste just as good, and there's more meat to them. Like I've said before, I hunt only that which I will eat. And I enjoy hunting more than going to a grocery store, and can tolerate the killing part because it's necessary, and natural. Yes, they sometimes scream when shot - the deer. It's not different than when a wolf takes one down. They scream then, too. And there are plenty of pretty wolves up North taking deer down. Maybe we should kill them for killing the pretty deer?
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Well, Clarice.......have the yams stopped screaming?

Sandman
Nov 29, 2009 at 12:39 p.m.
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Unfortunately, this turned out to be the very last hornless Unicorn. Wait! Look over there--a PASSENGER PIGEON! And there goes a HODAG!!! OMG there's...SCUZZLEBUT! IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!

"In a misguided attempt to prove he can kill something and impress his uncle, Stan kills Scuzzlebutt. Unfortunately for Stan, Jimbo is less than impressed, telling Stan that he will always be his nephew but that "some things you do kill and some you don't.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano_%28...

truth1
Nov 29, 2009 at 12:28 p.m.
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unidentified- LOLOL....all true, for sure.
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I used to like to hunt and fish, but the way the "dnr" is, they can keep ALL their "licenses"..I've found just as enjoyable things to do without forking "license" money to those idiots.

justme46
Nov 29, 2009 at 12:21 p.m.
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My husband is 73 years old and hunts like a true woodsman. He has taught classes on the subject at BTC. You have to aim to kill, right by the heart, or yes the deer will suffer. I don't hunt but my hubby is very knowledgeable on this subject, as he is on turkey hunting. If deer were not killed for consumption, you might as well move out of your house, they are coming to live with you!!! That would be like if people never died, we'd all be stacked on top of one another! Hunting has been around since the beginning of time, if you don't like it, I guess thats your problem because 1 person or 1 organization is never, ever going to stop it!!!!! JMO

Unidentified
Nov 29, 2009 at 11:58 a.m.
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I don't have a problem with hunting. It's not my personal choice, but it has do be done since there are no natural predators left to thin the herd. That said, I laugh at people who say they hunt to provide for their families. That trick may fool some wives, but anyone with sense knows how expensive it is to hunt. By the time you get any licensing, guns, ammo, hunting gear (Tree stands, outerwear etc..), drive to your location (most likely up North), and pay to have the deer processed (most do), it's far cheaper to just go buy meat somewhere else. Gander Mountain has made a living off of people who "Provide for their families," LOL. I also laugh at people who say they love venison, but then have it mixed with beef fat, beef, or pork and then turned into summer sausage. Even funnier are the guys that spend five days at the bar and one day hunting. Their wives are stuck at home while they are "Hunting" what is most likely not white tail, but rather a different kind of tail altogether LOL.

crafty
Nov 29, 2009 at 11:46 a.m.
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HuntingStinks, what is your opinion on abortion?

ResponsibleCitizen
Nov 29, 2009 at 10:57 a.m.
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Am I a savage because I go to my local Farm and pick the Steer and Hog that I want slaughtered for Meat to feed my family...is it wrong to hunt to provide food for your family...it is no different than tilling the land to plant crops...now natural species can not grow so that we may sow the seeds into the earth. If you want to be correct in some sense hunting is no different than growing crops.

ResponsibleCitizen
Nov 29, 2009 at 10:53 a.m.
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PBS did a video on the White Deer in Wisconsin...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...

jtlis
Nov 29, 2009 at 10:37 a.m.
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A real sportsman would never shoot for the leg and come back the next day to kill the deer. There are too many Rednecks that get a thrill out of animals suffering instead of a clean shot.

redhawk
Nov 29, 2009 at 10:02 a.m.
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These deer that are mostly white but not albino are known as piebald, and it is legal to shot them. They are not as rare as albinos, in fact, Monroe county had quite a few at one time near Fort McCoy. We had two on our land in the same year.

threebears
Nov 29, 2009 at 9:46 a.m.
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I thought the white deer in Wisconsin were protected and there would be a big fine for killing one.

Bristol55
Nov 29, 2009 at 9:20 a.m.
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Bagging a white buck because it is rare sucks. I live south of Whitewater and wonder where this deer was taken.

I do not think this should get any publicity. Letting a deer go off to die. I had a deer wander into my yard with blood dripping from a hind leg. Wish the white deer would have stayed in my yard safe from the hunter.

rickwantsmoney
Nov 29, 2009 at 9:18 a.m.
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HuntingStinks: Agree 100%. I will admit, I'm one of those "if I don't see it killed, I will eat it" type of person. However, if I had to kill it myself, I'd be a vegetarian. Makes me wonder how many people feel that way... Another idea for an article or a poll for the Gazette?

HuntingStinks
Nov 29, 2009 at 9:08 a.m.
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DonDiego (may I call you Zorro? ;-)) - I must disagree that there is "no choice" but to shoot these animals with rifles, shot guns and bows and arrows. If man is the cause of the problem, shouldn't man be obligated to come up with a more humane solution? It may not be easy to find one, but many things in this world are not easy.

localboysince1968
Nov 29, 2009 at 9:07 a.m.
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HuntingStinks - what is the weather like on your planet?

Don_Diego
Nov 29, 2009 at 8:50 a.m.
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Huntingstinks-As man has killed and driven off the predators, he has no choice but to kill for population control purposes. You can lament that fact, but it does not change it.

HuntingStinks
Nov 29, 2009 at 8:46 a.m.
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DiGriz why is what I perpetuate lunacy and what you perpetuate not lunacy? And why is there "something wrong with my brain?" And, you would like me to see the same end as the people killed by grizzlies. That's a nice thing to say. These questions I posed to you are rhetorical - don't respond to them: What I said to LocaBoy applies to you, as neither of you know how to be civil.

HuntingStinks
Nov 29, 2009 at 8:34 a.m.
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BytheLake - Kill 'em because they're in our way. Perfect solution. ----- You "get over" me.
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LocalBoy - You're hopeless. Please don't post anything else to me because I will just ignore you. I know that will incense you even more, sorry, but that's what I have to say to you.

DiGriz
Nov 29, 2009 at 8:28 a.m.
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Huntingstinks: You're a vegan, aren't you? You people have something wrong with your brains in relation to empathy, then you pertpetuate your lunacy like fanatical religious zeolots. You think your way is the only way, and you want to force bean sprouts down everyone's throats so you don't feel like a freak. Well, we know what happens to people like you....Tim Treadwell, Amy Huegenot...they get eaten by Grizzley Bears. Survival of the fittest, you know...

bythelake
Nov 29, 2009 at 7:45 a.m.
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I have hunted for many years, and have seen the white buck. We don't shoot them because they are rare and beautiful. It would not have crossed my mind to do so.
And to huntingstinks, if there were no hunting, the animal population would run us over in no time, more car crashes, with possible fatalities, not to mention the havoc they can cause in our gardens, farmer's crops, so on...
Get over it....

localboysince1968
Nov 29, 2009 at 7:40 a.m.
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HuntingStinks - these animals were put on earth for our consumption. Go hug a tree and save the whales. You might as well move to the left coast where you can swim in your PETA posts with the rest of THEM.

HuntingStinks
Nov 29, 2009 at 7:22 a.m.
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What idiotic logic: Kill it because it's rare. And Mayhem wants a picture! I'm so disgusted and discouraged with this mentality that I want to cry. (I know the crying remark will elicit wonderfully sensitive posts from all the wonderfully sensitive hunters out there. I can't wait to read them.)
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Also, a really touching angle to the story is the animal wandering off to die a nice, slow death in the cold night. Very humane - gotta love it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!! Have you no feelings for pain and suffering?
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I give up ----- Wait, No, I don't - I'll never let you win.

helge1939
Nov 29, 2009 at 5:42 a.m.
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I think I would have had to let it go on with life

mayhem08
Nov 28, 2009 at 5:09 p.m.
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would be nice to have a picture on here... come on gazette get with it

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