Is mack10 our new internet tough guy?

This will only get worse next year. Thompson has a contract through 2012 so i would be shocked if they can him. He may dump McCarthy to try save his own butt (and Murphy's).

8 of their free agents next season are starters and even though Ted will want to re-sign some most will probably jump ship just to get away from this team. That bodes poorly for next year.

And how is this for a scenario: Ray Edwards, the Viking DE who plays opposite Jared Allen, is an unrestricted free agent. If he leaves the Vikings for bigger money elsewhere, the vikes will be looking for a good defensive end who can play in their 4-3 defense. Kampmann is a prototypical 4-3 DE who's skills are being wasted in Green Bay. Imagine kampmann opposite Allen in Minnesota. Rodgers may retire if he has to face that d-line.

One more note: The Vikings were a playoff team last year without BF. Anything less than a Superbowl win should be considered a failure...unless you spend $25 million on a QB to win just one or possibly two playoff games. The Vikes have won a lot of regular season games so far but Brett won lots of regular season games with the Pack, too. Brett's downfall the past 13 years has been very poor playoff performances (I know, not just his fault but if he get's the credit for the Viking wins....). I think this needs to play out before we anoint Brett as the second coming.

I like the talk of Brett as MVP considering he is the third best player on his team behind AP and Allen.

Ahmad Carrol was a Sherman guy. know your FACTS.....

Toss Ted...

Mack10, you dont know football either. Dont lie to yourself. All you know is youre madly in love with Brett Favre, and your blind love is making you look like the fool you are. I think most people agree that Thompson, McCarthy and Murphy need to go, no doubt about that. But your ignorant Rodgers bashing is pathetic. Hes a good QB with no help. Where are his recievers? COVERED! Where is his protection? HE DOESNT HAVE ANY!!!! Whos calling the garbage plays theyre running? NOT RODGERS!!!!! Liking Favre is not a bad thing, he was great here, but ripping on Rodgers because your unable to get over the fact that he took the place of your man crush is totally pathetic.

I don't care what you think of Favre, the Packers would probably never have gotten to the Super Bowl with him since he can no longer play in the real cold weather. He was miserable in both the Chicago game (really, really cold) and the playoff game against the Giants (pretty darn cold) the last year he was a Packer. That was once one of his great assets but not anymore. Minnesota better hope that they get to play all their playoff games indoors or in a warm spot.

dtb, dont forget Al Harris couldn't cover Burress at all in that game and not to mention they only ran the ball 12 times. You must be really stupid to put that game on one play. That was all McCarthy and his pass happy egoe. And by the way. Al Harris is the most overrated player in the N.F.L.

mack10, don't forget it was Favre that threw the interception that lost that NFC championship game to the Giants. You live with the Favre, you die by the interceptions.

If I remember correctly, that 2007 season was all put in Favres hand concidering they were last in the league in rushing. quit comparing Rodgers to Favre. You wanna compare Rodgers to somebody make it Tony Romo, because thats who he plays like. he holds the ball to long.

When did Favre have them kind of games his last year with the packers? Are you stupid? they went 13 and 3 that year and were one game away from the super bowl. See this is why I can't come on here and chat with you people. You guy's just don't have the football knowledge that I have. sorry folks.

the passer rating stat is a joke. Jim Harbaugh had the highest passer rating in '95. I mean come on. I would rather see some incomplete passes and interceptions over all these sacks because, Rodgers is a dumb ass and can't get rid of the ball when he's supposed too.

Rogers is the league's top rated passer, playing on a team with probably the worst offensive lines, one of the worst special teams and an average defense. Saying Rogers "sucks" is pretty unknowledgable, dare I say stupid.

He had a below average game. Favre had plenty of those his last season with the Packers.

lovethemidwest, I dont think you know anything about football. I might not know much about anything, but, I know football. you don't know me, don't try to question my knowledge of football, because you'll lose. The bottom line is this, Rodgers sucks. plain and simple. And the people that drafted him were idiots, of course they are the same idiots that traded away Favre. I love the packers, but I dont like Thompson, McCarthy, Murphy or Rodgers.

SarahB, a bit fair weathered are you? I am not happy with the Packer's play either. I am not happy that is Brett is gone. But I am not so fickle as to cheer for Brett, and in sense the Vikings. I wish him well as that is it.

aj131:
Good points. I was telling friends the Packers would be 8-8; after the pre-season, and they all thought I was nuts. It wasn't even a real bold prediction. I mean when you handicap that sort of stuff you look what they did last year.....Uhhhh; 6-10. You then you look what improvements they made, and compare that to what improvements others in the division made. Then you look at the schedule. That's the basic anyway.
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Lets face it; they made hardly any improvements from last year, and Minnesota made far more. People really sucked into the Packers because of a few pre-season games where they beat NO ONE (buffalo, Cleveland). It was very shocking to me that they were basically the same price (around +170) as was Minnesota to win the NFC north at the start of the season. I posted a few times on the Gazette blog before the season that Minnesota was a total hammer play to win the north at that +170 price. And that they were also a huge value at +850 to go to the super bowl...Not a bad call, but I was dead wrong in saying Green Bay would beat them up at Lambeau last week. They are a lot worse then I even thought, and my 8-8 call may have been to generous! They do have a fairly tough schedule (Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Dallas, and Arizona will be the tough games) and ironically the may end up with the same record as last year! Something that may not be a bad thing; as they would hopefully clean house, starting with the biggest stodge of all in Teddy!

One bright spot yesterday was Ahman Green getting the all time Packer rushing record. Too bad it didn't happen before he left the team a few years ago. It would have been more special to everyone then. Other than that, the game was very sh*#ty!

aj131, GREAT post. All of it is so true. I think Lovie is just like MM, except he calls a HORRIBLE defensive game plan and MM calls the worst offensive game plan. Niether one should be an NFL head coach. Especially when the likes of Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, and even John Gruden are out there. The Bears defense screwed you guys yesterday. Cutler had a GREAT game and they got crushed. Maybe Lovie, Charlie Weiss(Notre Dame), and Mike McCarthy will all be unemployed be the end of their respective seasons.

It doesn't matter how Favre would do in the Packer lineup. It doesn't matter if Rodgers is still a young chump. It all comes down to one thing: The Vikings are winning and the Packers aren't! Go, Brett!

All I heard this preseason was how awesome the Packers were going to be. They had this super sweet offense that was lighting everyone else up! When I suggested that it was because it was the preseason and nobody gameplans my friends looked at me like I was crazy! They would say even if the offense doesn't keep this up we've got our new 3-4 defense ready to take the league by storm! Nevermind the fact it takes your best defensive player and forces him to play out of position. And look around the league...anyone with a successful 3-4 defense has LBs that look a little different than the ones on the Packers.

Q:I wonder what happened?
A:Their coach tried to pull a fast one on everybody...maybe if I overhaul my defense I can buy myself another couple of years before people figure out I'm not a very good coach!

The Packers have about 5x the talent of my Bears yet they're just as bad. And I thought Lovie/Turner was a bad coaching combo.

I think its funny that they show the "drop back clock", or whatever it is, on one of the only plays Rodgers actually had time to throw. Yes he held on to long, but lets see that clock on the plays he has been sacked and/or had to scramble. Lets get the full picture, would be interesting to see.

Right on miltonalum. Favre was treated like a god in Wisconsin for years.

I agree with you to zoom. Rodgers does hold on to the ball a little to long sometimes. But with good coaching, something hes not going to get with the current coaching staff, that can hopefully be fixed. And contrary to what I believed before the start of last season, Rodgers is a pretty tough QB. Hes taken as many sacks in 8 games as good teams give up in 2 years.

Quote -"GO FAVRE ! The vikings treat you far better then GB ever did !"
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Wow, one of the most moronic statements i have ever read. You obviously have no clue how the hundreds of thousands of fans loved and cherished favre for 16 years, how many kids offered their bicycles for him to ride to training camp. Favre is equally to blame for what happened but dont ever say that he wasnt treated well when he was in GB.

Favre would need a walker by now, if not as some suggested dead, if he had to take sacks the way Rodgers has.

"What happened to the quick slants and let the recievers get the YAC? Gone! Why did MM call so many pass plays when the Pack was ahead by a touchdown yesterday and his backs were averaging around 6 yards per carry between the two of them?"

Exactly! Horrible, horrible game plans.

To sum up:
-Rogers holds the ball too long.
-The O-line can't protect Rogers, especially against above average teams.
-Special teams can't block, tackle, or run back the ball.
-The defense has a few good players not suited for the positions they are playing.
-Play calling is suspect.

That being said, Rogers is one of the few bright spots to me. Yes, he holds the ball too long, but he can also run for yardage, something Favre can't do. There is no way Favre would done better in those early games with the Packers siv-like O-line.

What happened to the quick slants and let the recievers get the YAC? Gone! Why did MM call so many pass plays when the Pack was ahead by a touchdown yesterday and his backs were averaging around 6 yards per carry between the two of them? Not to mention they were playing the 30th ranked run defense.

The one thing I do believe is that Favre was calling the plays himself. HE was established in the NFL, already a surefire HOFer, when MM took over. This much is clear to me. There is NO WAY Favre was running the plays MM was calling. After seeing his play calling last year and this year I am 99.9% sure of that. If theres one thing Rodgers needs to do, its ignore the plays fatty calls on the sidelines, and call one in the huddle that makes sense.

dado4, you are EXACTLY right. TT is to blame for this crap team, as is MM and his HORRIBLE coaching. They need to go ASAP! Rodgers is no Brett Favre, not yet or maybe never, but he is not a bad QB. Hes a pretty darn good QB actually.

Mack10, whats your excuse for Favre taking his own 10-6 team and going 4-12 the next year, followed by an 8-8 season? It happens. Is it Rodgers fault the special teams, o-line, and as of late the defense, all SUCK? Is it his fault Ryan Grant was given a huge contract by TT and would be no more than a backup, at best, on nearly all other NFL teams?

The good thing about that little clock on the screen that shows how long Rodgers holds the ball, watching him hold on to the ball, and see that most of his recievers are just standing there, or running blindly down the field.

Sure am glad my other team is producing!
Wait, nevermind, they only have 1 win

Mack10, do you have a big picture of Favre on your ceiling above your bed? Youre obviously in love with the guy, because you know nothing about football

Like I said last year, is Aaron Rogers to blame for the defense? I agree with NVgraf if Brett had taken all of these sacks he would be dead! I'm sorry but TT plan to build via the draft is a big mistake. Look at the Vikes, they are a combination of draft (Petersen), trades (Allen), and free agents (Brett). That's how it should be done.

Favre would have a way better record then what Rodgers has. Just remember Rodgers took Favres 13 and 3 team to 6 and 10. Rodgers is a joke. That deal will go down in history like Boston getting rid of Ruth. Thompson has cursed the Packers.

dub...I disagree. If Rodgers and Favre switched places, Favre would be dead!

Thanks for your contribution Luke, we really value your opinion.
Someone told me yesterday they hate the way Rodgers hands off the ball. I never really noticed, but he says he's horrible at the fake, in any circumstance.
If Favre and Rodgers switched places right now, neither team would be any different.
I don't think they've ever had as many penalties as they have had since McCarthy started.

Vikes will win the nfc north. No doubt. But then what? They will get smacked around in the play offs. We are a very weak division. The Bears and Packers are not good teams right now so of course the Vikings look good. I agree with the other poster who said. Time to clean house.

Anybody surprised by GB being an Average NFL team hasn't been watching enough NFL?
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I learned three things yesterday...
Bears = average (maybe below average)
Packers = average (maybe below average)
Vikes will win the North EASILY
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GO BEARS!!!

Packers S-U-C-K, SUCK, SUCK, SUCK...

Packers-GM-they all got what they deserved. I am sure they went into Tampa thinking they would slaughter the Bucs-WRONG!!!-time to do some housecleaning although I could care less because I AM NOT a Green Bay Slackers fan!!!!!

Thank God for DVR's. I am sooooo glad I only wasted 45 minutes of my day watching that craptastic game instead of wasting over 3 hours to watch it live. Season is DONE! Won't be planning my Sundays around the game the rest of the year. The O Line sucks, Rodgers needs to figure out how to throw some of them away and we need to fire Thompson and McCarthy.

I can't believe the Bucs won in those ugly uniforms they lost in for years. Dom Capers scheme don't seem to be working all that well. they don't have a pass rush, Al Harris is talking smack to the rookie quarterback and gets burned on the next play. the offenseve line didn't look to bad. they just have a quarterback thats afraid to throw the ball. he can't even throw it away on time. he was sacked two times yesterday trying to throw the ball away. I thought maybe we had the second coming of Lynn Dickie, but I think I would rather have Dickie than Rodgers.

Let's look at the bright side fans. We are not 4 games behind the Vikings. We are three games up on Detroit!

The number one problem with Rodgers is pocket presence. He has what you call T.R syndrome. Tony Romo syndrome. I'll just flat out say it. Aaron Rodgers SUCKS. Thompson shouldv'e traded Rodgers, not Favre. you got three real BIG egoes in Green Bay. Murphy, Thompson and McCarthy. they all got to go. I'm a packer fan, but since there season is now over. GO VIKINGS.

I'm not one to correct spelling, but super bowel really made me laugh! Must have been all the fiber he was eating.

It was not the Packer fan's who got rid of Brett!!! Justsaynotomath, get a life. It's really too bad Ted Thompson had to be proven wrong at the sake of the team. He has got to go.

you GB fans are getting exactly what you deserve for treating Favre the way you did. he won you a super bowel and played every game for 16 years. It was great watching the Vikings smack down GB twice ! Sweet Justice !
GO FAVRE ! The vikings treat you far better then GB ever did !

Packers ....Super Bowl Bound (LOL)

iamqueenb - I agree with you 100%.
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pat - I know I was yelling. I can't believe that McCarthy hasn't sat him (Rodgers) down and read him the riot act for his consistent actions these last several weeks. (Hanging on to the ball). Geez! He can't ever wonder why he gets sacked.

It's funny he could not hear the most of the state of Wisconsin screaming yesterday " get rid of it."
Even in Florida.

I think Aaron Rodgers , by hanging on to the ball too long is trying to make something happen like Brett did when he threw all those interceptions , he was trying to make something happen. Unfortunately it has about the same result, its a killer losing the yardage. He hangs on to it, hoping some thing will open up. He has got to learn better to throw it to the side lines than lose yardage, or a interception.

Sloppy is an understatement. Maybe it's time to put the coach and the GM on the next train out of here.

Its becoming more obvious that the majority of the sacks are not the fault of our offensive line, rodgers needs to get rid of the ball....

Tool man Thompson can go with him........

They are very undisciplined. I think its time for Mike McCarthy to go. There was no reason for them to have lost that game. I am a huge Packer fan but I was truly embarrassed yesterday.
It was a train wreck.