by worst drug ever i meant most deaths. alcohol and tobacco kill more peeps than ALL OTHER DRUGS COMBINED. yet theyre both legal. can you explain that to me??

don't hate me cuz i am beautiful jimpi lol. i love that people just have nothing better going on in their live other than being annoyed on an internet forum. enjoy your shave

latinmami2 wrote: enjoy it you want to play some more? lol lol lol

At this point, I'd rather shave my face with a cheese grater, then rinse with a saltwater/rubbing alcohol mix.

It appears you are nothing but an online troll. Have fun with that.

enjoy it you want to play some more? lol lol lol

latinmami2, debating anything with you is like playing charades with a blind person.

um i don't think they have made heroin and meth legal yet kid

yer missin the big pic latinmami. the wosrt drug alreay IS LEGAL.

CENTRAL SQUARE, N.Y. — A central New York couple are under arrest because, police say, their 7- and 8-year-old sons showed up at school stoned on marijuana.
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this is why no drugs should be legal

Perfect. Thank you for clarifying. Your position makes much more sense.

Spark, yes I can see the potential for confusion. Thus, I did make a post that would hopefully clarify my position. But, for those who might have missed it:

I believe alcohol is responsible for ruining just as many, if not more, lives than marijuana. Yet, it is legal in most locations in our country. Pot has not been proven to be physically addictive like tobacco is, yet cigarettes are legal.

I don't smoke pot myself. Never really saw the appeal. But, I don't see a problem with legalizing it with the same restrictions as are currently in place for alcohol purchase and consumption.

I do not feel it is appropriate to legalize the harder drugs like heroin or meth. My reasoning has to do with the addictive nature of those drugs more than anything else.

As for prescription drugs, for example oxy and other narcotics, I wish law enforcement would increase their efforts to crack down on the illicit use of them. Further, I wish the medical field would actively pursue other options for pain relief rather than rely on these horribly addictive medications.

Does that help to clarify things?

latinmami2, let me see if I can explain this so it will make sense to you. Yes, the article is about a couple of arrests for meth. However, in reading through the comments posted, the discussion veered away from meth and encompassed several other drugs, such as heroin, pot, and alcohol. By your previous posts here in this discussion, you seemed to have the opinion that all drugs are equally bad and equally cause destruction in people's lives. Thus I felt compelled to ask your opinion on alcohol, which is quite legal, yet destroys just as many lives as the "harder" drugs.

latinmami its tuff discussing stuff with you. do you read all the posts or just the ones you want to nitpic on?? read all the posts. the answer to your question HAS been answered. heroin can be cut, which means that non heroin products are added to increase the weight of a bag...or the total amount a dealer starts with. pharmacists wont do that. so a)the source WILL be safer as well as 2)the drug itself will be safer then too. read the link jillian posted...its actually the best post here regarding the subject.

JimPI - Yep, I'm back. Only because you are really confusing people and contradicting yourself. You said - "I don't recall posting anything that alluded to me having an opinion that meth or heroin should be legalized."
Earlier post from you - "Actually, the experience in other countries seems to indicate the opposite. In countries where there is a lower drinking age and/or legalization of drugs, there is a considerably lower incidence of abuse than we find here in the US.

Now if you were only referring to certain drugs, I apologize for the questions, but that post seems to be categorizing all drugs.

I'm not trying to cause and argument here, but if you're going to get on peoples cases about their posts, maybe you should be much CLEAR on what your point is and where you stand. If you're not for legalizing drugs, whey are you even on here posting about it?

let's see topic is meth, but you want to know if i think drinking or pot kills more, i think they are both potenitally lethal when people drive drunk or high. does that answer your question? if you want to sit on your couch high as the sky or drunk have at it the only person you are harming is yourself but once you get out on the roads both of these things can kill. There are not to many people who die high on marijuana sitting on their couch, but there are a lot of people doing heroin and meth that do die just from the amount of intake. what is the purpose of comparing drinking and smoking pot when the whole topic is meth?

latinmami2 wrote: i did not side step it at all, this article is not even about marijuana or alcohol. Here is a question for you, do you honestly think that people can do meth and heroin responsibly? People can drink responsibly, it becomes a problem when they don't control themselves.

No, I don't think people can do heroin or meth responsibly. But, I'm not sure where you got the idea that I thought otherwise? I don't recall posting anything that alluded to me having an opinion that meth or heroin should be legalized. This is a good indication of your reading comprehension skills.

Further, now you've sidestepped my question twice.

i did not side step it at all, this article is not even about marijuana or alcohol. Here is a question for you, do you honestly think that people can do meth and heroin responsibly? People can drink responsibly, it becomes a problem when they don't control themselves.

prescription pills may be one of the top killers
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that is a really good point. so what makes you think that making meth or heroin safer because it is prescribed?

latinmami2, as seems to be a habit with you, you've sidestepped the question and not answered it.

Which do you think destroys more lives, alcohol or marijuana?
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people can chose to drink responsibly. you can't use heroin and meth responsibly. as far as the marijuana i was not talking about that in previous post talking about the heroin and meth that keeps popping up in the news paper and destroying people's lives.

prescription pills may be one of the top killers. id guess number 3?? behind LEGAL alcohol and tobacco. im glad yer done...while prescription heroin actually WOULD make it safer...thats not our point that you just...cant...grasp. the source spark. the source will be safer. the source will be more accountable. if you get a script for heroin and sell to someone else theres a better chance of barney fife finding YOU than finding some thug in a bar. its quite simple really...if...you...just...think...about...it. good day.

Spark, you're right, there is no comparison between meth and marijuana. Meth is a killer cocktail composed of various harsh poisons. I don't agree with anyone who thinks it should be legalized.

Also, just for the record, I do not use marijuana. I don't use any drugs, prescription or otherwise, except on very rare occasion and as prescribed by my physician. Heck, I hate taking a Tylenol when I have a headache. I don't drink to excess, can't even recall how long it has been since I last had an adult beverage. I kind of grew out of that years ago.

With that said, I don't have an issue with the legalization of pot. I think the benefits would far outstrip the negatives.

thekid3477- Are you also all aware that prescription drugs are one of the number one killers in America today? So the theory of prescribing heroin, etc over the counter at pharmacies could obviously be argued and on an on we go, solving nothing. Just because they're prescribed, doesn't make them safe. Meth, heroin, etc. will never be legal. Hate to disappoint. Maybe your pot will be someday, but don't hold your breath....or your smoke. lol. Now I'm done.

i believe jim is trying to show the hypocrisy in that if were worried about a drug destroying lives why is the DRUG that destroys the most lives LEGAL?? oh...and i thought you were done discussing this?? lol

lol. imagine horseshack(only my hempseed conditioned curly hair is a LOT nicer;) ooh...ooh...ooh mr kotter i know!!

JimPI - Weren't you the one commenting on staying on subject? This story is about meth, remember? People, let's not discuss the alchohol/pot debate on a story about meth. I'm sorry, but there's NO COMPARISON!!

latinmami2 wrote: I am sorry but there is no logic in legalizing drugs that are destroying people's lives.

Which do you think destroys more lives, alcohol or marijuana?

thekid3477 - Other countries pass other laws we don't, all the time. Doesn't necessarily mean there's logic to it. (Guns for instance, but don't get me started on that subject. Those theories have been proven wrong).

did you read jillians link?? if other countrys are legalizing heroin there must be SOME logic to it.

I am sorry but there is no logic in legalizing drugs that are destroying people's lives.

That is fine, but I disagree and it's obvious where I stand and now I will stop discussing it.

spark i dont think any one here is comparing meth to any other drugs. our point is that the LOGIC BEHIND LEGALIZING heroin/meth is the same logic behind legalizing pot and the same logic that WAS BEHIND ENDING alcohol prohibition. read jillians link...

good link jillian. they got it half right anyways;) this isnt about heroin but this is a good piece on why pot should be legal...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colum...

Spark, thanks for the clarification. I have to admit, I am against legalizing meth. I think education is the answer to that problem. Seeing pictures of people whose teeth are falling out and whose skin is deteriorating would be an effective deterrence for young and old folks alike.

Gandalf - I said this to someone else before. The word HATE for these people, didn't come out of my mouth. Do I have the time of day or sympathy for them? NO. And you're right, the story isn't about cancer, but I was proving a point. The article is about meth. I guess I went off track similar to how we go from talking about legalizing meth to comparing it to other drugs like so many posters seem to do. No comparison!!

JimPI - Read my other post. I corrected myself before you were quick to respond.

Why not just legalize marijuana? The amount of money we spend through law enforcement, the judicial system, and support to jails related to a crime that really only impacts the user (and the impact is debatable) is a gross waste of public money. Focus on going after the stuff that makes people crazy (heroin, cocaine, meth, etc) so we can get the real problem off the streets and away from children.

The Swiss have the right idea...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/0...

nobodys gauranteeing its gonna make a junkies life better. what post even comes close to saying that?? the point of our posts is that there will be less risk...but it wont make his life better. a drug user will use drugs if they CHOSE. a true junkie wont have a better life if heroin was legal AND he won the powerball...hes still a junkie. pots a hard drug to mess with cuz you can look/smell and realize if its something else. but heroin...a white powder(from what ive seen in the movies:) can be cut with who knows what who knows how many times before it ultimately gets to the user. now since that junkies life is gonna be a miserable drug filled existance until they seek help...if it was your 22 year old kid would you rather them have to buy it after its been cut 3 times and buy it from some thug or have to go into a drs office or a pharmacy...fill out a form registering drug use and frequency showing proper identification?? true..like prescription drugs the people who get the scripts will sell it to other people AND EVEN kids...but a)theyre doin the same thing now and 2) if something happens there is a better chance of tracing it back to the original person prescribed than if it was from that thug in the stall at the bar.

This is all I need to see. It should never be legalized. Don't try to tell me this wouldn't happen if it were legal.

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/DrugIssue...

prescription narcotics are suppose to be controlled but people overdose on them everyday so how exactly can you guarantee that making them legal is going to make a junkie's life better.

the point i was trying to make is there is more fear in other countries because their punishment is more severe if they screw up than there is here.

latinmam12, the idea of controlling distribution is to prevent addicts from procuring too much of the harmful drug. There should likewise be very stiff punishments for people who supply drugs to others outside the controlled environment. This would save a lot of lives.

Spark, then you better be for outlawing fatty fast food because they cause heart disease and diabetes; you better outlaw alcohol and tobacco because of all of the deaths they cause. I'm sorry to hear about your young friend's passing because of cancer, but that has nothing to do with this subject. The horror stories you describe are not victimless, and society needs to legally prevent them, but most users are moderate in their intake and don't pose those kind of threats to themselves or others. The true addicts that you seem to hate so much are people that have issues that go way beyond and their drug use. It's really industrial strength stupid to casually write-off the public expense of the so-called war on drugs. That is a crime, and we're all victims. By the way, I'm a supporter of real law enforcement.

Sorry, obvious typo. Meant to write:

They have beheadings in Amsterdam?

latinmami2 wrote: the funny thing is that our country is different from any other country. so i don't really think what they do in amsterdam is going to work for us here. people don't have fear of consequences in america like they do in other countries because here you don't get beheaded for commiting a crime

They have beheadings in Amerstadam?

spark wrote: JimPI9- Please find me a place where heroin is legal. That is what we're talking about here.

Really? The article is about arrests for meth and many of the comments seem to be discussing pot and other drugs. Sorry, didn't realize all those words were code for heroin.

Actually, the experience in other countries seems to indicate the opposite. In countries where there is a lower drinking age and/or legalization of drugs, there is a considerably lower incidence of abuse than we find here in the US.
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the funny thing is that our country is different from any other country. so i don't really think what they do in amsterdam is going to work for us here. people don't have fear of consequences in america like they do in other countries because here you don't get beheaded for commiting a crime

I apologize, meth. What the hell is the difference, they're both horrible. Either way, find me a place they are legal.

JimPI9- Please find me a place where heroin is legal. That is what we're talking about here.

latinmami2 wrote: these drugs are ruining people's lives and making them legal is not going to make it any safer at all it will just make it easier for people to ruin their lives more than they already are.

Actually, the experience in other countries seems to indicate the opposite. In countries where there is a lower drinking age and/or legalization of drugs, there is a considerably lower incidence of abuse than we find here in the US.

CallitasIseeit, I hate to answer a question with a question (or two) but...

Making it illegal to drive drunk and enforcing those laws hasn't resulted in a complete eradication of drunk drivers has it?

Making it illegal for an adult to have sex with a child hasn't resulted in an eradication of child sex assaults, has it?

While I don't necessarily disagree with the legalization of some drugs, I think the wrong argument to use is the lack of appreciable difference being made by law enforcement.

If we are going to outlaw harmful substances than we should do it for real, ban cigarettes (that have killed tens of thousands), ban alcohol (that has killed tens of thousands). If a person gets caught drinking or smoking lock them up. If someone is caught selling cigarettes or alcohol lock them up for at least 5 years.

Anything else is pure hypocrisy!

these drugs are ruining people's lives and making them legal is not going to make it any safer at all it will just make it easier for people to ruin their lives more than they already are.

What kind of a society are we if we classify doing drugs as harmless? You consider it harmless if it doesn't hurt someone else. Society shouldn't care about people hurting themselves? What kind of place do we live in if we think that is ok. I care about the well being of mankind and other people. I want them to be safe and healthy. Just because it doesn't harm you or me, doesn't mean we shouldn't care. That my friend is anarchy. Letting people do whatever the hell they want. That's not freedom. We have more freedom in this Country than any other Country that exists and if people don't like it, I suggest they pack up their crap and get the hell out. It makes me sick to here people talk like that. I'll pay taxes all day long to support law enforcement and agencies that are set in place to protect our citizens including the ones that aren't smart enough to obviously make the right choices and don't appreciate life for what it's worth. I laugh at people that complain about the money spent to fight drugs and set examples for our youth when we pay stupid amounts of taxes for deadbeat dads that refuse to pay child support, people that refuse to put in an effort to get a job or education and companies that have no idea how run a business. If people think sitting at home sticking a needle in your frickin arm to get high while it slowly or quickly kills you is a victimless crime just because it's not hurting someone else, I feel sorry for all of you if that's how you view life. I watched another person get buried from cancer at young age a couple weeks ago. A disease they couldn't prevent. Spare me the bullsh#*t on how I should be concerned about the freedom some drug addict deserves or where they can safely get their crap.

Andre, we should be a 'nation of people with the attitude of whatever trips your trigger' as long as you are not harming others. That's called freedom. I for one am sick and tired of paying taxes to underwrite law enforcement, courts, and prisons to handle victimless crimes. There was a time when we as a society could afford such taxes, but those days are long gone. The 'lock 'em up' mentality has done far more harm than good, and if you doubt that, it's because you are ignoring the facts. Otherwise, I appreciate your sarcasm.

nice post andre very well said

Sorry, but 26 is old enought to know what you're doing, male or female.

kid- 100% for humor.

With such a rapid increase in the trafficking of heroin (and to a lesser degree meth), I think foreign enemies are flooding the American market in hopes of destablizing our nation. Afterall, it's probably the best and only weapon the Taleban has to do serious damage to us. We must force this trafficking out of existence by legalizing, controlling, and taxing this sh%t. By the way, what are those silver pimples she has on her face?

if you were trying to be funny id be laughing my keester off spark cuz thats funny:) but i FEAR you are not trying to be funny...

Pretty simple. There's two photos to the left. Notice how the two people look. This is what meth does to oneself. Also notice the lack of smiling after one gets caught. There's my research. I don't need to look further.

i can see why people think that if heroin or meth were legal there would be some type of control over it but that is not necessarily true, there are a ton of people out there taking legal prescriptions who still don't follow the dosage and they overdose and die.

When I was growing up in the 1980’s I never heard of anyone using heroin. There were lots of people smoking marijuana and cocaine was just beginning to become widely available. It seems that over the past decade the availability of heroin on our streets has increased substantially. During the cocaine boom of the 1980’s we were heavily involved in covert operations focused on regime change in central and south America. Isn’t it ironic that the biggest source of heroin on earth is now Afghanistan, a country where we have absolute air superiority and a significant military presence?

Of course they don't kid, that would take some research and thinking. It is much easier to make a rash judgement and move on to the next blog.

callitasiseeit: good post...but you KNOW they dont have answers to your questions...

MM... maybe you should get off drugs... make it legal? clear mind would tell you that was a dumb comment!!

For those of you attacking MM do you have a legitimate counterpoint? Maybe some contradictory statistics? Do you believe the war on drugs has worked? Has it stopped any drug from coming into the country or being produced here? It certainly hasn't stopped DOZENS of teens in our high schools from becoming heroin users. Legalizing may not be the correct thing but what we are doing now certainly isn't working.

Attn: Gazette Staff~
Pretty sure that should say 'amount' and not 'about' Thought I'd bring it to your attention.

They reported finding a small about of marijuana, about 50 grams of methamphetamine and drug paraphernalia.
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As for this story, meth will never go away but legalizing it is the worst thing to do. Let's make it okay for people to go smoke meth on their lunch breaks. I'm sorry your brother lost his battle with herion but even if he was getting a 'correct' dose of it, they just keep wanting more and more. It won't help at all!

MM.What planet are you from??????????????

Meth should be legal. That would end meth labs overnight. A group of very serious policemen have formed a group to legalize ALL drugs,

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (leap.cc)

They see what happened when we legalized alcohol in 1932 as a good example of how drug legalization would work. We can't stop drugs. They're sick of chasing drug users and sending innocent people to prison for decades just because they like to get high. This foolish war on drugs has lasted 37 years and cost us over a TRILLION dollars and we are not an inch closer to stopping drugs. How many millions of Americans are we going to lock up in prison for decades? My brother, Spencer Montgomery III would still be alive if heroin had been legal. He overdosed because He didn't know the actual strength of the heroin he injected. If he could have bought a known amount of heroin in a pharmacy he would still be alive today. Legalize ALL drugs now. Mark Montgomery boboberg@nyc.rr.com

I thought that there wasn't a meth problem? Oh wait...this isn't in Rock County..nm.

yeah it is a little erie that older men are after these young girls and it involves such horrible drugs, you have to wonder what the young woman involved in this how her parents feel about the whole thing, i am sure they didn't expect her to grow up to be a junkie or addict for those who want the proper term, for the guy i am sure his parents are used to him being a dirt bag by now

it's funny that the two stories that have come out with hard core drugs have involved an older man and a younger woman. i see a trend setting here

IDIOTS!

2 down many more to go. there are so many people doing such harsh drugs it just amazes me.