repsonsiblecitizen: passed out flyers" on behalf of Metzner. repsonsiblecitizen what month did you pass out flyers for Metxner?????

repsonsiblecitizen: where's your proof that DeVoy actually "passed out flyers" on behalf of Metzner. Did you get one from him? I hope to God its true otherwise maybe he should sue you. I think it's ridiculous to think that he actually passed out flyers. And, I'm sure you'll accuse him of doing it with a marked Darien police car - while on-duty. You need to find something to do with your spare time!

I have never backed METZNER I don't know why people even voted him in...oh wait because Devoy passed out flyers discrediting other board members. Debi Olmstead, Geralyn Truckey & Shane Spoo all backed him in the beginning. People can spew a lot of garbage and say they are going to help, that doesn't make it true. BOB METZNER is a perfect example of how people can be swayed. He didn't belong in office when he was sworn in, and he does not belong now. I don't understand how so many people can believe that one is bad and his ole' buddy is not.

ya Responsible what Roadrunner said ....

Give it a rest, Responsible. The intent is the same. If the charges against Metzner are false, so are the ones against DeVoy, so why is one terminated and the other still representing the villlage?

And Metzner has some potentialy serious charges against him coming down the pike in addition to him filing a 'claim' against the very people he is supposed to represent.

I don't understand why you lean toward someone so rude to citizens - as opposed to a well-liked and community consciencious guy with a 26 year career that has not had one blemish until now.

From a guy who already ruined the career of another Police Chief.

You must be in somebody's pocket. there is no other reasonable explanation.

For the record...filing a claim is not the same as filing a lawsuit.

DarienGal, keep up the good work...

Zee: Not sure if you saw my post elsewhere. At the risk of repeating: Whether or not Mr. Metzner should be involved in any of these decisions might be appropriate subject for an ethics complaint. Someone should check Darien ordinances for Ethics rules.

That having been said, I don't think you should jump to the conclusion that the allegations against Mr. Metzner rise to felony-level. With some exceptions, impersonating a police officer is a Class A Misdemeanor.

I hear you copperguy and agree that these events need to make their way through the courts.
However, in the meantime I think it's improper for Metzner to be currently working as VP while not only having filed suit against this community, but also being under suspicion of a felony.

Copperguy: good advice, I'd just like to add to it. Talk is cheap. It's what you do that determines the script of your life. Translate your insights, understandings and awareness into purposeful, meaningful, constructive actions. They are of no value until then. Measure yourself and others based on results — not intentions or words. The only way Darien is going to get through this "troubled" time is to pull together with constructive plans instead of bashing one another or people who have not been found guilty.

If I might be so bold (no offense to anyone):

With the events of this week, now might be an opportune time to firmly raise one's hand and exclaim, "STOP!"

Now, everyone just breath slowly for a moment.

There are lots of investigations going on. Charges and counter-charges are in abundance. And, conclusions are being drawn based upon one or another person's response to those charges.

I urge everyone to take a step back. We have a system of "due process" in this country. Due process is what (hopefully) is happening.

Employees have filed a Notice of Claim, based on their perception of the law. I disagree strongly (both from professional experience as well as someone who is quite thoughtful), with the assertion that there was any invasion of privacy. If one enters a "public area," then one cannot expect that entry to be anything other than public knowledge. Having said that, the employees have apparently retained counsel who will advise them on how - and - if - to proceed.

Similarly, accusations have been made against Mr. Metzner. Following investigative protocol, those accusations are being investigated. Charges will be issued if - and when - they are deemed appropriate.

And, "charges" have been leveled against Chief Devoy. There is an established protocol for dealing with those charges, and he - through his counsel - is following that protocol.

Dialogue is good, and I make no argument against it here. I simply want to encourage everyone to NOT jump to conclusions about ANY of the people involved, simply because they are working within "the system," as we know it.

If any of us felt we were wronged in some way, we would want to have the "system" at our disposal to deal with that "offense."

Just my humble opinion.

Sorry Responsible Citizen, I just read the link not the title of the article...looked the same...Ann Marie must be working overtime! Thanks for the research!

DarienGal,
You give a new meaning and depth to the words low, dysfunctional and delusional! How do you live with so much ANGER every minute of every day? Teacher - casting stones? YOU are throwing boulders! Teacher's checkbook? If you have access to her checkbook, then Darien isn't the only ones with BIG-BIRD problems! I understand, the air is pretty thin up there where you BIRDS live. I don't know why you are worried about your house getting egged. Maybe BM can request 4 officers to guard it and the taxpayers can pay their wages to do that!

Responsible Citizen, what's the point of reposting the link to the article? I think everyone can read and they are big enough to form their own opinions without your subtle influences. If that is not your intent, then I apologize.

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The last time I checked, an employee is someone who provides services in return for pay. Does the Chief collect a paycheck from the Village of Darien? Yes. Then, he is an employee! Whether he is guilty of any of the charges cited against him or not, he is still entitled to a hearing, where he can defend or admit to his actions. Tell me anyone who "would" appreciate this information being made public without a hearing. This is not some detective novel, this is someone's career and reputation on the line! I think the Chief has every right to withhold this information until AFTER the hearing.

Until then, people should pick up a copy of the latest Celeb Gossip magazine and read up on some of their gossip...because gossip is all that we know about the Chief at this point! None of us were present in those closed session meetings to see or hear the evidence that was presented and if you DO know what was discussed at those meetings, it isn't coming from CM! Could be PP! He ran right out to the ladies committee after the first closed session meeting regarding the Chief and announced that the Chief's computer was loaded with PORN and that's why he's getting fired! Talk about slander or deflamation of character!

Maybe that gossip magazine will have an article about the latest allegations against BM and how he is impersonating a cop! Oh by all means, let's treat him equivilent to the Chief! Throw him under the bus, run over him a few times, back up once or twice in case you missed him, throw him in jail, and THEN air his dirty laundry all over Darien...even if it isn't true!

People need to just back off and let the chips fall where they may! If for no other reason than for the Cheif's family! They are not the ones accused of these actions, nor are they deserving of this ridicule, taunting, and slander!

http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/mar/20/...

Darien gal you need to back up.The only truth out of your mouth is Mark does work for us so he needs to start working for the town and not himself. He is RUDE and is not a public person as you are the same.Teacher is a hard working mother and you are a Idoit to make fun of her.As far as Bob bringing a law suit. Bring it on the Att General already has the pictures and recordings I sent months ago.Yes the crooks put what the wanted on Chiefs com.Remember M.D. B.M. I was in the office when you M.D. told you turned over the disks to dean? Mary tryed to shut the door.You people tryed to use Mary but she to smart for you crooks.At least McCue don!t preach in church about goverment like you fools.Teacher they won!t face you because they are chicken. You can remove this because it will be on flyers next.

I have not seen the teacher be rude to anyone here or elsewhere. She's made mention of Dennison's rudeness, but that's a fact he himself made public for ALL to see at monday's meeting. (Including the attorney who was in the audience, unbeknownst to Dennison or Metzner, who was ALSO rude.)
DarienGal is a crass troublemaker. She said "Who wants to work for a village when he isn't supported by those he is supposed to be working for."
DUH! Maybe he shouldn't have decided to SUE this Village - talk about a great first impression (NOT).
Now DarienGal is "not saying that BM is the best pick for Darien". WOW! Now she sees the writing on the wall and UNDER THE BUS goes her best buddy!
To top it off she claims to have knowledge about the teacher's checkbook! What an arrogant and vicious attitude.

http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/mar/20/...

DarienGal: You mention one of the Board members not being able to "keep his mouth shut" about closed meeting items. Most public bodies will have their discussions in closed session, then take action in open session. Seems that what he did here...made a motion in open session. Closed sessions are not "secret meetings." They allow Board members to have open discussions about matters privately for the time being."

2LevelHeaded said "If the chief was fired there was a good reason." I would most definitely not jump to that conclusion. Only time will tell. He will have a public hearing, after which he has the option of asking the Circuit Court to review the decision. Certainly, Boards do occasionally act unreasonably, which is why these review processes are in place.

2LevelHeaded, could you please explain to the class why you believe a warrant should have been issued prior to the installation of the hidden cameras? Referencing appropriate Federal or state statutes, as well as case law, would be great.

Bonus points if you can manage to do it without insulting anyone.

ok great...that's out of the way now lets stay on the task at hand...what is the status of last nights meeting?

Helen Burton, a special education teacher in Sharon, receives a $2,000 TEACH award from Best Buy in her community.

He had less than 2 weeks with Connie in the office with him...that is hardly enough time to get fully acquainted with all of the duties required by the position.

for the record Mark was hired @ $50k salary with a $5k bonus after 6 months pending review.

DarienGal..
I would personally like you to come forward and let me know who you are so we could have a face to face discussion...However, you are probably too afraid to do so..
How do I throw stones while living in a glass house?? I am not running for the board! Yes I was upset that BM would file FALSE charges against me...Wouldn't any normal human being be upset? I have a family to support and value my career.. I am glad you can find it so hilarious! You must have no compassion! I do not "pick" on others.. I am merely DISGUSTED that this village could spend 60K on this guy that doesnt know what he is doing.. Has anyone bothered to check HIS background.. its very interesting! I am not the only one he treats arrogantly! He seems to have an anger management problem..He came into his job with little training?? Then why the big bucks?? Plus he had a training period! Yes I jump on him for asking for help, because he should know general answers! He isn't even a notary! AND any person dealing with the public should be "polite"..customer service ya know!
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Its not "so called help" If you did your research, you would find that I was a recipient for a Best Buy TEACH grant last year, a grant from the Community FOundation the previous year, and award a Child Care Improvement Grant 3 years in a row.. How many grants have you obtained? I would think if someone VOLUNTEERED time to help research, a person (village) would take the help.. I never said I could or would balance the budget..Where do you get your info?? oh the West Wind..such a reliable source! I won't even dignify the balancing a checkbook comment.. that's just CHILDISH! AND I won't comment on your comments about CM! He is the most honest person that we have, that is doing what is right for the people of this village...WHat's the matter are you worried the PEOPLE will speak and vote for him??? No BM is not right for VP..EE is!

Teacher: I find it funny that you continue to throw stones when you live in a glass house. Weren't you crying at the last closed session meeting because BM threatened a lawsuit on you? LOL I found that hilarious. You want to know why people pick on you? BECAUSE you pick on others. Maybe Dennison wouldn't appear arrogant and rude if you would have given him a chance. He came into his job with little training and you immediately jumped on him for asking for help. It isn't his fault that the board didn't get around to hiring someone until sooner. No wonder he is rude to you, you are rude to him. As for your so called help with the grants and balancing the village budget. Give me a break. You can't even balance your own checking account from home. I've done my homework on you. Maybe you should take a page out of CM's book and practice the 'Golden Rule'. Oh that's right you already did. He doesn't practice it either. I'm not saying that BM is the best pick for Darien. And I already know that CM isn't since he can't keep his mouth shut about closed session items in an open session. (If you need an explaination, read the article regarding the police chief being fired) Or, keep his emotions under control. Instead he thinks that threatening people and flying off the handle will get the job done. Give the new guy a chance. Don't pounce all over him when he came into this job with no prior knowledge of all the BS that is going on in this village. If he did I highly doubt he would have taken the position in the first place. Who wants to work for a village when he isn't supported by those he is supposed to be working for.

It's well known that Maltese is the common denominator when chiefs get fired. Why are we letting this happen to us?

NOW Maltese puts in our face that he bought a new cop car without a vote by the board?

Seems like underhanded board members are falling for this guy's tactics. Birds of a feather, you know. Re-elect Craig and Allan.

Get rid of Putman and Metzner, the crooks.

Also, the chief suspected Maltese and Metzner of accessing files they had no business in. It says that right in the article. So he went to the sheriffs to consult about how to proceed. Are you saying the sheriffs don't know what they're doing either? You might consider that it's possible you are wrong about this.....

2LevelHeaded I'll make you a bet. They'll be laughed out of the court.
Regarding the chief, I will explain myself.
#1) He was not in possession of his computer for 3 months. (You may have heard that Maltese railroaded the Chief of Orfordville out of his job prior to this - by planting evidence in his desk) At most, a common e-mail joke might have been found and 'deemed' inappropriate because it had the word 'fart' or 'butt' in it.
#2) I know this man, and he most certainly did not have any kind of relationship with his secretary other than professional. I am VERY interested in the 'evidence' of this ridiculous charge.
#3) I invite you to ask ANY of the Darien police officers if their work environment under DeVoy was 'hostile'. Just please do that for me. The work environment right NOW is 'hostile' for them. And you know why that is, if you live here.

qtp2t If the chief was fired there was a good reason for it. Since he was a government employee the potential for him to sue over a wrongful termination would be very high and very likely he could win a huge settlement not to mention getting his job back. I am sure the board voted to fire him they must have had enough evidence to do so.

I doubt the lawsuits will be laughed out of the courtroom. Especially when a WARRANT should have been issued to install the cameras! Didn't he learn that at the academy?

I agree, Craig (and Allan) should stay on the board. But PP and BM represent themselves, not the village.
The votes always being 5-2, 5-2, 5-2 show that the two who are for the village can't get anything done because the good old boys want things to stay the same.
The bogus lawsuits over the cameras will never come to anything. They'll probably all be laughed out the courtroom!

The cameras were NOT in a bathroom or locker room, they were located in the office area, if I was an employee for the village I would like to have cameras especially now with all the drama going on, you never know what is going to happen and I would like to have something that could possible catch a visual of a persons face. If you weren't doing anything wrong then why be upset over a camera watching you!! As far as McCue goes, this man is very passionate about what is happening in the village, maybe his actions speak differently but this guy is for real! Only wants what is best for the village whether you want to believe it or not! If everyone thinks that Metzner has a right to defend himself regarding the newest article then why shouldn't DeVoy?!!!!! Just remember folks the old saying "what comes around goes around"

NOT that I am defending Bobby boy but you are quick to make claims against someone...when we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty huh?

Metzner impersonating a police officer gives a good clue to the kind of person he is. Right and wrong mean nothing to him. A narcissist like him has no regard for law, because it just doesn't apply to him.
It's the most dangerous type of human to hold any authority office.

Actually, it does matter a bit where the cameras were located. If they were in areas where there would be a reasonable expectation of privacy, such as bathrooms or locker rooms, there could be trouble for DeVoy. However, and granted this is a layperson's interpretation of the law, if the cameras were in areas where there would be no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as the lobby or common office areas, then that argument wouldn't hold much weight. Also, if a camera were placed in HIS OWN OFFICE, I should think he'd be ok in that instance as well. I don't recall seeing it mentioned in any article yet exactly where the cameras were found.

I guess now we know why the ride alongs were stopped by DeVoy and why his suspicion! This doesn't sound good!

NOT2levelheaded, the chief knows he did NOTHING wrong, and his time to respond should have been BEFORE he was fired but he was never given the opportunity.
Who cares where the cameras were? Those employees were not working at their desk - they were in the police department.

roadrunner: don't you think that the chief already knows what he has done? He will get his day to respond. The employees have a reasonable expectation of privacy while at their office. There should have been a warrant. Where were the cameras placed?

http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/mar/19/...

cmh, Wow, you really have proven your alliances! McCue was your buddy until the sign in his yard didn't have your name on it. Now, you are slamming him left and right! I am sure that someone can make you a sign that says vote for RM, PP, CK, CH. Then, we can refer to it as the "Good Ole Boys & Girls Club". How did you ever refrain from comments for so long? I think you can take Immodium for this condition. Sorry you don't have my vote either!

I am in no one's pocket...Dennison was voted into his position by all 7 members of the board...We knew that the Board screwed up in not hiring someone further in advance to work hand in hand with the previous Clerk / Treasurer to fully understand the position he was hired for.

and yes none of us has the knowledge of what the chief did, because HE didn't have the right to respond or defend. Which is unAmerican.

cmh your answer to me did not even include your current blog name - at 12:04 you ID'd yourself as 'chm'.
So are you holmes or machi?

AGAIN, cmh Posted on January 24 at 12:37 a.m. "For several wks. I have read the blogs surrounding various issues in Darien. Many suppositions are being made and one can't help but wonder what is behind all of this. Many bloggers seem to be suffering from paranoia. Some are running for public office with the expectation of winning in spring election. In a few cases comments seem to be outright lies. The question then is are the current village officials really doing a bad job is is there a more sinister agenda in all of this? Look at the direction this is going: (1) Craig McCue stands up at meetings playing to the citizens & saying he is representing the people who voted for him. Exactly how many is that. What kind of an informed official is he when he doesn't seem to know what he is voting for even when he make the motion. He is suppose to be meeting on important issues but he has to leave the board table (in essence the meeting) to confer with members of the audience so he knows what to do next. Does anyone think that he an assest to our community. (2) Could the real reason why Atty. Danz is under constant citicism because a certain board member & wife have tried to get their personnel attorney hired as village attorney. (3) I was told by a reliable source at the West Wind that a candidate running for the top village job secretly/confidentially, thru Craig McCue, applied for Connie's position and only wanted $65k starting saying she could do it all with only 1 part time person. LET'S GET REAL! So when all of you out there in BLOGGER LAND use the term GOOD OLD BOYS are you referring to the current criticize board members or is it you?"
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cmh you are pretty transparent, then you say

"Excuse me if I appear to be insulting you but really, are you proud of the way DO talks with some pretty questionable language.".
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I'm thinking you should look at your own words. You have not earned my vote. Clearly Craig McCue got the most votes out of anyone and you are trying hard to discredit all your opponents. You are either in bed with Machi or Kaufenberg and you have made a bad mistake by defending the village criminals.

roadrunner – I am sorry if I took your 8:24 p.m. comment the wrong way. Here is why I wrote what I wrote”

rr question - Do you realize you live in the USA where a person has a right to know what they're being accused of - and have a right to answer their accuser and defend themself?

chm answer - Yes I do realize I live in the USA where a person has the right to know what they’re being accused of. None of us really has the knowledge of what the chief and his attorney know or don’t know. I simply said let’s just wait and see. Why do you have a problem with that?

I apologize to you for naming you in my blog to WisconsinMom. I should have referenced qtp2t not you. I think I need to call it a night. Once again, sorry!

CMH..
I have never been a fan of Dennison.. I think he is arrogant, rude and certainly not very knowledgeable about his job...He has been "misquoted" by the "press", and has to call CM every time he has an issue..
Yes, I suggested the grants and I offered help..I as a teacher know how to obtain and secure grants as I have personally done so for my school. I also had secured a grant for my business through the state when I had it..
So CMH who the heck are YOU to judge me and what I have to offer, or my background.. tell us about yours!

cmh your question has already been answered by yougot2bekidding as follows:
"Look at the Darien website under police department. Then look at page 11 of the annual report by the chief. He participated in the 1033 program and got departmental equipment that the village could not have otherwise afforded. Received a grant for a surveillance camera system, received free equipment as well as initiated the tax intercept program in an attempt to collect fines for the court. In 2008 he received $10,000 for computers to install in the squad cars. And the other village supervisors did what in attempt to better the community? I think this clearly shows that your research is only as far as the end of your nose."

Which might also be brown from your association with former village employee and now suing individual, CM.

Yougot2bekidding – your statement “I hope voters are cautious”. What do you mean by that? I hope they are cautious too. The attitudes of the people you seem to put in high regard are nothing to be proud off. Excuse me if I appear to be insulting you but really, are you proud of the way DO talks with some pretty questionable language or CM who doesn’t conduct himself with any dignity or thoughtfulness. He made a motion asking for RM resignation, what was that? Resignation by definition can’t be called for by a motion. His boardroom antics are an embarrassment to our community. If he is so good, why does he have to resort to this type of behavior when he should be acting with a sense of dignity. And what do you expect the VP and trustees to do? There is nothing they can do when he starts his tirade. Criticism is made if they sit there smiling, if they make outrageous comments. What do you want from people that question you, other bloggers or individual candidates?

cmh WHAT? I never claimed to know anything about grants, police issues or court judgements.
You are out of line suggesting this!
Where do you get your information from?

WisconsinMom – yes I know about the 2008 grant. I thought the tax intercept program is through the municipal court. I need to talk to Judge Farnsworth about the intercept program. I say this because I believe there has to be a judgment before you can intercept tax returns. The police issue, the court judges. Roadrunner knows much more. He will let us know.

WiSpedTeacher – why are you now slamming Dennison? What is this grant/Dennison thing? What do you want him to do? Do you think he has nothing to do but sit in his office researching grant all day long? Why do you think you could help? For that matter what grants are you offering to help with? How could you work with the Board/Grants Committee/Dennison in a cooperative effort to obtain a grant when you have taken every opportunity to criticize everyone connected with our local government. And why are you ignoring the large grants that the Board/Grant Committee have already obtained for Darien ( $1,365,000.00). You have benefitted from their efforts. So the bottom line is what exactly would you do? Why don't you research what loans are available, what are the deadline dates and what is needed to qualify for them. When you have an answer let us know because I would imagine everyone is interested in the particulars. Thank you

Darien Police Dept. Grants
http://oja.wi.gov/journal_media_detail.a...
October 2008
Darien Police Department $10,000 Two Mobile Data Computer systems

I don't have time to do more..but I KNOW there are more!
Plus the chief instituted the tax intercept program..

Roadrunner – Yes I do realize I live in the USA where a person has the right to know what they’re being accused of. None of us really has the knowledge of what the chief and his attorney know or don’t know. I simply said let’s just wait and see. Why do you have a problem with that?

qtp2t – O.K., I will and thank you for your help. You said that you know DeVoy has obtained numerous grants over many years. Please share your knowledge with the names of the grant and when they were awarded. I appreciate your help.

wow, again Responsiblecitizen is clueless. Does HE know that the Teacher was the one who instructed the 'qualified' village administrator on how to do his job and apply for grants?
Responsible defends a village administrator, who was handpicked by a corrupt president, who had a competent police chief suspended, then fired, for no discernable reason.
Responsible is critical of anyone and everyone, but clearly in the pocket of someone. Who? and why?

Our current administrator..Dennison..did not apply for any grants until I told him to look for the grants.. I offered to volunteer my help to research grants.. Dennison, and PP told me that there weren't grants available..Now we are giving HIM credit??

Why don!t all you people show up at thursday night meeting and stop the closed meeting? No meeting should be closed and only the town can stop this. The people have spoken and already told him to stand down. Take a stand stop this mess before it gets worst. Mr P your letter just put you in the dirt with the rest.cmh look in the mirror.You are a fake.

to cmh
Do you realize you live in the USA where a person has a right to know what they're being accused of - and have a right to answer their accuser and defend themself?
Do you realize none of those rights were given to the chief?
Do you know how idiotic you appear when you defend the suing employees right to not be on camera in a public place?
God forbid you get elected - it will be more mickey mouse local government.

cmh you might want to do a little research of your own. DeVoy has obtained NUMEROUS grants over many years. That fact is commonly known by all.
I am not trying to "scare people into thinking that bringing back the chief will save them dollars". They should be VERY scared if Maltese is slid into position as chief!
Ask any Walworth County Sheriff Deputy what their opinion was of the DPD a year ago, and ask them their opinion now.
REALLY! (Do it.) I have. Now THAT'S SCARY.
And that's a FACT.

http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/mar/08/...

irregardless of your opinion on Devoy do you really think you will get a majority vote to hire him back?

Cmh: once again you’re trying to make people believe that you know what you’re talking about but I’m here to tell you that you don’t. Look at the Darien website under police department. Then look at page 11 of the annual report by the chief. He participated in the 1033 program and got departmental equipment that the village could not have otherwise afforded. Received a grant for a surveillance camera system, received free equipment as well as initiated the tax intercept program in an attempt to collect fines for the court. In 2008 he received $10,000 for computers to install in the squad cars. And the other village supervisors did what in attempt to better the community? I think this clearly shows that your research is only as far as the end of your nose. Or perhaps the retired village clerk is just giving you bad information. This clearly shows that you’re not an opened minded person nearing the election. I hope voters are cautious.

DeVoy is the real Chief of Police ,malted milk(maltese) is just that .

this conversation has now ended .

jja-I would have you say you are the idiot. BoBo is right, the county will cost more money and plus the ticket money will not come to the village, it would be a county ticket, so you people need to think about that. CMH-everything regarding DeVoy has all been one sided, so before you start bashing the guy why don't you wait until he gets his chance to speak. And obviously you don't know Maltese, he will end up costing the village plenty, look at what it is costing them now.

ResponsibleCitizen whats the big crime in Darien? does someone steal a piece of candy from the store. you have more crime in your village meetings and PD than anything else .
except the real Chief of Police !

jja: Do you think the county works for FREE? It will cost more to cover the county wages & fringe benefits than it does now. Not to mention we will be charged a percentage of vehicle costs, gas charges, administrative costs (for processing tickets) etc. It will cost the village far more money than to just reduce the current staff and/or spending budget.
The police department is NOT the only financial burden in the Village of Darien. At least we get service with a smile vs. rude and sarcastic responses for asking questions about where our tax dollars go.

qtp2 - your statement of "unless we get DeVoy back, the number will climb much higher, because we won't have him to apply for grants to help with costs" is not accurate at all. The only grant listed in the budget for numerous years includeing 03,04,05,06,07,08,09 is the recycling grant dollars. The numbers you claim "will climb much higher" is not true. Further more if you ask him he will tell you he applied for only one reimbursement grant (you have to spend dollars before you receive) and that was in 08. Lets not try to scare people into thinking that bringing back the chief will save them dollars. It will not. Lets just wait and see what papers are released with the open records request that the Gazette has file. Then we will be able to determine whether we really want him reinstated. Let's stick to the facts. If you haven't researched what you are hearing and repeating it probably has much to be desired as it relates to truth.

ResponsibleCitizen I live in Rock County, everything is dispatched at the 911 center in Janesville .yes we have 24/7 between Beloit and Janesville 100.000 plus quite a bit bigger than your berg .

obviously jja does not live here...I would bet my next paycheck on the fact that most residents want 24/7 local PD protection

That certainly is an option. It's not the option I would select for a Village, but it is an option.

Devoy is not the only person who applied for grants to assist his department. Our Current Administrator has applied for grants to assist our Sewer issue which is just as pertinent as the police issue.

I think folks would also be surprised at how much more it would cost to have the Village policed by the county. I know, theyre talking about reducing some hours, not eliminating.
But think about the coverage we have now, 24/7/365 - and this respresents 47% of the budget? That's a bargain.
Unless we get DeVoy back, the number will climb much higher, because we won't have him to apply for grants to help with costs.
And it seems to be presumptuous and insensitive to have bought a police car before the whole DeVoy matter is resolved.

copperguy the County should take care of Darien completely ,that way no car purchase no gas no maintenance . see how easy that was.

I think folks would be surprised at the number of Officers required to provide coverage, especially if some or most of them are part-time, with full-time jobs elsewhere. If that's the case in Darien, and if Darien provides 24/7 coverage, then 4 officers is not nearly enough.

24/7 coverage requires 3 shifts per day. That's 21 shifts per week. And officers are usually restricted as to how many hours they can work in a day, for safety reasons.

copperguy--whatever

jja: I think the point folks are trying to make is that the delinquent tax information is not related to the topic of this forum. If you have information to the contrary, then please share.

Although the posts do sometimes stray a bit, folks have been pretty good about sticking to the subject of governance in Darien and the Darien Police Department.

Good debating skills include the ability to stay on-topic. There's quite enough controversy in Darien already (which is pertinent to this forum) without introducing un-related side tracks.

Outsider: do you know any of these people?
Did i embarrass anyone ?
Because that is what this site if for, and if you don't believe me look it up.oh well time for a sandwich at the diner.

Responsible Citizen: "As a member of the community and a VOTER, I am at a loss considering I have little to no faith in either those up for re-election or those running against them."

With comments like this, it is no wonder the citizen's of Darien keep their blinders on...why should we vote? Things won't change anyway!

Well, consider the alternative...if things are as corrupt as they truly seem under the current rule, then just sit back and let it continue to get worse!

I think that many of these issues are beyond most people's morals, thus comprehension. I personally know that many people are spending an excessive amount of hours (besides working full time jobs) trying to bring up these issues and talking to county, local and state representatives to get support in breaking this pattern. Unfortunatly, many complaints fall upon deaf ears and thus it takes connecting with the right person, who will actually listen! Don't think that everyone running is wasting their energy and efforts in negative ways!

http://www.dor.state.wi.us/delqlist/taxt...

many are income, sales & witholdings NONE HAD THE "P" FOR PROPERTY TAX!!!

The reasons for non-payment aren't clear, either.

I don't see the reason behind the post. These are not taxes owed the Village and half are in the Town not the Village.

Outsider just doing my civic duty .

jja
"Darien people that didn't pay wi taxes"
What's the point of this post?

Responsiblecitizen: thanks for posting the link to the police committee meeting. That confirms what I said in my previous blog. The VP (GOD)doesn't have exclusive authority to direct an employee to make a purchase. It would've had to be approved by committee and then subsequently by the board. As far as I'm concerned it was VERY much an unauthorized purchase and should be addressed.

For Darien to maintain self sufficient 7day 24hr coverage it requires more than 4 officers. I do believe that we do not need more than 2 cars myself and voiced a complaint before the budget was approved...however it was an approved expenditure. My "feelings" are that we should get rid of both the Dodge Intrepid & the older Impala. There is no need for more than 2 cars as rarely should there be more than 1 patrol and one in the office. In the rare need for a 3rd squad we can rely on other area communities for backup as we always have.

And you certainly don't need more officers for the size of Darien 4 officers at most .

Again ResponsibleCitizen fix the car , Darien can't afford a new car. you can understand that don't you ? Other Depts are doing this Darien can also .

http://www.darienwi.us/vertical/Sites/%7...

Here is the web site .

http://www.dor.state.wi.us/html/delqlist...

Responsiblecitizen: wasn't it you questioning why we need 3 squad cars? I think you better re-check your information. Just because a squad was put in the 2009 budget doesn't mean that the "acting chief" can just go out and make a purchase without board approval. When Wenzel was president he always said that every purchase over $500 had to be approved by committee and then sent to the board for action. It's clear by the minutes that there was discussion but no motion or a second to purchase the car. Have the rules / ordinances now changed with Metzner at the helm? Wouldn't doubt it seeing as though he changed the rules pertaining to citizen participation.

ResponsibleCitizen you been drinking again tonight ?

ResponsibleCitizen just repair the car (simple)

the purchase of the squad car was a part of the approved 2009 Police Budget...The board did vote this in as accepted. We have known for quite some time that the Dodge Intrepid was a bit outdated...as it stopped being produced in 2004.

as a member of the community and a VOTER, I am at a loss considering I have little to no faith in either those up for re-election or those running against them.

JimPl,

Part of the problem is people attempting to take action without knowing the laws or what recourse their actions may cause.

jimpi you are right, if i still lived there i would want to be involved darien is such a small place that it does take all the people that live there to make a difference

Amen!

One thing I find rather appalling about the whole mess is the apparent lack of initiative on the part of the citizens in Darien. I have to wonder, first, how many citizens are even fully cognizant of the events transpiring with the Chief and the Board. Of those folks who are aware of what is going on, how many of them just turn a blind eye and figure they'll just let things sort themselves out?

The citizens should be flooding all local newspapers with letters to the editor. They should be seeking the attention of radio and TV news outlets. They should be lining up at the Village Hall demanding answers.

But, all I see are a handful of people posting in discussions here, most of them too afraid to even use names and instead just use the initials of those about whom they speak.

I don't have a dog in this fight, as it were, but the events are still infuriating to me. And not just WHAT is happening but the complete and utter contempt with which the citizens are being treated.

Folks, if you truly want to change things, YOU are the only ones who can do it. Research the applicable laws, both state statutes and local ordinances. You might be surprised at how much political power still rests in the hands of the citizenry. Use every single legal means at your disposal to do something more constructive than bitch and moan on a website.

ResponsibleCitizen clearly the situation in the village is volatile and emotions run strong.
To address your comment, the chief is clearly not now at the helm, agreed?
So who bought the new squad car that was driven into town on Saturday morning? More importantly, did the Board approve the purchase?
If anyone can find out, its you.

I apologize for my rashness on my comment about the teacher...I don't know how to feel about the Chief...as it works on a ship the captain is not always the one at the helm.

Well said, copperguy.

It seems to me that Responsible was clarifying an earlier post, on March 16 at 9:09 PM, from cmh. Cmh did specify "talking with either the court clerk, the chief or the other officers," which Teacher apparently missed.

People frequently overlook words and/or phrases in these posts, and, yes, some of the grammar isn't the best. (Keep in mind that I try to watch my grammar and spelling). But, we need to stay focused on the message, not the words used to deliver it.

Responsible did seem to take a swipe at Teacher, which is unfortunate. Both of them have contributed well to the discussions when they keep their frustrations in check.

Responsible does appear to have fallen in line against Chief DeVoy over some of the allegations that have now been made. But, I believe s/he is not of a closed mind and, if DeVoy mounts a credible defense, Responsible will listen.

I, too, am concerned about some of the allegations against Chief DeVoy. At the same time, I am reserving judgment until I see the evidence. Even then, let the punishment fit the crime. We don't revoke a driver's license for failing to stop at a stop sign, after all!

the more these posts go on the more i am starting see exactly why darien is now in the situation it is in there is a lot of petty child like behavoir on here and if this is how people who want to run this town act how is this little town going to be safe from anymore of this political war that is going on?

After last nights board meeting all there is is confusion.

Copperguy-
Do you mean a search warrant for the installation of the cameras? There wasn't one.

If you mean something else, please let me know. I welcome the help. Feel free to e-mail me.

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To help with another discussion, Peggy Moran is the "clerk of courts and part time secretary."

Maybe there's some confusion between her title as court clerk and Conni Machi's former title as village clerk?

Reporter Ann Marie Ames

You are the only one in the world whose way of thinking is correct. You must be fun to live with.....

there is obviously no rationale in this blog...

Responsible..
Why bash the teacher? You stated "talking with either the court clerk, the chief or the other officers" This could include secretary Peggy Moran...
Umm last time I checked Peg Moran was neither the clerk, chief or an officer!

The teacher has a good head on her shoulders and speaks from a righteous heart.
ResponsibleCitizen you are no longer neutral, but bought and paid for.
Facts and logic are clearly beyond you now.

Has anyone learned what the search warrant was about? Not rumor or innuendo, I mean has anyone done an Open Records request to read the supporting affidavit?

I'm sort of surprised Ann Marie hasn't done anything on it yet. CCAP doesn't indicate that the file is sealed, but maybe they're not releasing it to her.

I'm assuming all was relatively peaceful at the Village Board meeting. I haven't seen any National Guard call-ups (for the few who aren't in Iraq).

Also, has anyone been able to do Open Records requests for the Village's attorney bills yet?

Responsible Citizen,

A+++ for "personal bashing" that YOU so much WANT OTHERS to END on this blog! You are no better than anyone else slaming the teacher's intelligence in your last post! How many years of education do you have? I bet it hurts riding the fence as much as you do!!!

Responsible Citizen says, "Everyone on here should be an adult, act mature...no more bashing." Well, practice what you preach, PLEASE!

cmh the article said nothing was recorded on the cameras because they weren't working. People who weren't even taped on camera have a reason to sue?
And now the village president is suing the people he is supposed to be working for.
Your mind is so open there's a breeze blowing.
Did you not read in the article there was an investigation going on because the chief had reason to believe that Metzner and Maltese were suspected of getting into "personal" files of people?
It said the chief contacted the sherriff's office for advice on that situation. They put their cameras in because they must've believed the chief.

Where is your outrage about those two looking at PERSONAL files of people?

As a candidate. your defense of the suing employees is not in the best interests of the people.

for a teacher and a person who was running...in fact one I had personally voted for...you don't think very well do you. "talking with either the court clerk, the chief or the other officers" This could include secretary Peggy Moran...

cmh
How would someone have been recorded by speaking to the clerk? Her office was in another building!

Tubroguy: cmh only did a limited amount of research. First of all it hasn’t been established that an audio recording device was recovered, only a video recording device(s). If an audio device wasn’t installed then the only way a conversation about “discussing private family matters” would’ve been recorded was that the chief used sign language. Secondly, there is a one-party consent law in the state that allows the recording of communications as long as one-party knows the conversation is being recorded. Nice attempt cmh – it sounds like you’ll be the 12th person on the frivolous notice of claim.

turboguy - your comment is absured. I didn't say I think they should all sue. However, unlike you I still have an open mind. I also agree that many people were in and out of the office area. Anyone that was in the area, talking with either the court clerk, the chief or the other officers, was undoubtly recorded on whatever type of device was placed. The fact that the devices were hidden, those people had an expectation of privacy when communicating with one of our employees, is a matter of concern. I wonder how you would feel if you had been one of those people discussing private family matters? What do you think? Hidden cameras are different then cameras visibly placed. Instead of making rash comments why don't you check on how similar cases have been decided. Your a smart person, you should be able to check it out.

"persons, houses, papers, and effects" does not include public areas.
Probably a hundred people were in and out of the police dept while cameras were there for 2 weeks. And you think they should all sue too?

Responsible Citizen - Thanks for posting the Law Enforement Code of Ethics. It is most insightful!

I think you might be interested in the following web site:www.consource.org. I learned about from my brother. I thought I would look up Amendment IV since there have been quite a few comments regarding the issue
Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures , shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue , but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Sharing thoughts, as well as where to fine information, is great. Again thanks for your post.

And your point would be..........?

It certainly looks good in print.

To those it may concern:
Law Enforcement Code of Ethics

As a Law Enforcement Officer, my fundamental duty is to serve
mankind; to safeguard lives and property; to protect the innocent against
deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation, and the peaceful
against violence or disorder; and to respect the Constitutional rights of all
men to liberty, equality and justice.

I will keep my private life unsullied as an example to all; maintain
courageous calm in the face of danger, scorn, or ridicule; develop
self-restraint; and be constantly mindful of the welfare of others. Honest in
thought and deed in both my personal and official life, I will be exemplary in
obeying the laws of the land and the regulations of my department.
Whatever I see or hear of a confidential nature or that is confided in me in
my official capacity will be kept ever secret unless revelation is necessary in
the performance of my duty.

I will never act officiously or permit personal feelings, prejudices,
animosities or friendships to influence my decisions. With no compromise
for crime and the relentless prosecution of criminals, I will enforce the law
courteously and appropriately without fear of favor, malice or ill will, never
employing unnecessary force or violence and never accepting gratuities.

I recognize the badge of my office as a symbol of public faith, and I
accept it as a public trust to be held so long as I am true to the ethics of the
police service. I will constantly strive to achieve these objectives and ideals,
dedicating myself before God to my chosen profession...law enforcement.

I stand corrected..it was the Saturday edition of the Gazette.. I received an e mail from the editor..it was a letter from Putman..stating that I speak up at board meetings accusing the board of wasting the taxpayer's money.
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It is my right as a resident and taxpayer to speak up, and I WILL NOT stop standing up for the residents or what is right..

Were the complaints about the open board meetings filed before or after the police chief was suspended?????

And just to clarify something that I asked about....If you want police service and dont want Darien PD.. call the Sheriffs Officer, special request a deputy to take your call for service, they have to only if you make the special request.

What a mess this all has become...If Devoy is out, as a community I feel we should ask that the county take over police responsibilties, yeah it might cost a bit, But when I dial 911 I want someone that coming for myself and the community, not for himself so he can add another feather in his hat...Maltese is a cancer that just takes over a place and boots hard workers ie (DEVOY) to the side....Someone (DEVOY) who has been here for a long time and is here for the people of the village not here as Maltese is to get his JOLLY off with his buddy metzner... Maltese and Metzner you should be ashamed to look at yourself in the mirror. Look what you two animals have created...Come on people we have rights last time I checked this isnt russia...Next meeting we should protest freedom of speach, Metzner has not control what happens on the sidewalk time for the signs.......Lets make a stand

The Janesville Gazette has not published a Saturday night edition for over 20 years.

It was the Saturday night Janesville Gazette..
and it was PP!

Can you spell c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y? (BM, PP, BW, CK, & CH)

WisPedTeacher, to whom did PP write a letter about you? What paper?

I'd venture a guess that CK was the real author...

I agree, WisSpedTeacher appears to be an honest and trustworthy person, someone we desperatly need on the board.

WisSpedTeacher: you would've been a welcomed additon the the village board of Darien. You go get'em next year!

To my fellow residents of Darien..It was brought to my attention that PP wrote a letter to the editor about me, and other residents of Darien..I would like to respond:
Yes I asked for a recount..and I know it cost money, however, ANY candidate has a right to ask for a re-count, and I felt compelled because of the machine failure, and other issues. This is why we live in a DEMOCRACY... The recount stood as is....and I am ok with that..
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I do not believe that my presence at village board meetings requesting answers to HOW and WHY the village is spending money should be connected to the cost of the re-count..If we choose to bury our head in the sand and ignore costs then we are letting the board act without a conscience..
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My request for a re-count and the $400 cost do not even come close to the legal fees that are being racked up by the current VP's and trustees' actions..
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I wish to thank the elections board and the 2 women from Sharon that held the re-count. I know you gave up your time to do so, and I thank you.

I would also like to thank the village of Darien board members (current and future) and citizens for your show of support during this election process and your presence at the re-count. It really means a lot to me to know that there are people that aren’t afraid to stand up for what is right.
Finally, I would like to thank the 53 voters that voted for me.. I am sorry I won’t be advancing, but hey, there is always next year! I would appreciate it if my supporters would in turn give their support to either Debi Olmstead, Allen Kenyon or Craig McCue. These people are honest, and want a change in Darien. They also want our “chief” back!

Also thank you to Ann from the Gazette for telling “our” side of the story.

Does anyone else think it’s strange that CM retired just prior to public knowledge that the Darien utilities were “going broke”? How long did she know this and didn’t address it? I can’t believe that this just happened overnight. Wasteful spending, extravagant wage increases, paying part-time water employee’s benefits. These are all things that PP and CK believe in. If you don’t, vote responsibly.

turboguy he forgot the A

CK after witnessing your unwelcome performance last evening at the dinner I have come to the following conclusion:
It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Could CK stoop so low as to campaign at a church function – I guess she could because it happened. She prides herself as well as PP on being holy as thou but in reality they both have their own private agendas. Could one be to clear another lot to build a house and the other to obtain a job for her son? Letters to the editor, speeches at board meeting, what’s next? If the people of Darien want someone who will undermine and personally attack, then vote for CK and PP. Otherwise vote, and vote responsibly April 7th. Vote for the people who are for the people EE, CM, AK & DO. Darien needs your help! I think it’s obvious based on media coverage that BM is who he is, and all of us do it!

Thanks copperguy. (Not so informed on those computer abbreviations.)
But I know a couple, so BTW, you are a very knowledgable contributor and thanks for your input.

cmh if nobody thought McCue was "an asset to our community" he wouldn't of gotten the most votes.
And a "reliable source from the Westwind diner"?

cmh posted on January 24 at 12:37 a.m. ....
"For several wks. I have read the blogs surrounding various issues in Darien. Many suppositions are being made and one can't help but wonder what is behind all of this. Many bloggers seem to be suffering from paranoia. Some are running for public office with the expectation of winning in spring election. In a few cases comments seem to be outright lies. The question then is are the current village officials really doing a bad job is is there a more sinister agenda in all of this? Look at the direction this is going: (1) Craig McCue stands up at meetings playing to the citizens & saying he is representing the people who voted for him. Exactly how many is that. What kind of an informed official is he when he doesn't seem to know what he is voting for even when he make the motion. He is suppose to be meeting on important issues but he has to leave the board table (in essence the meeting) to confer with members of the audience so he knows what to do next. Does anyone think that he an assest to our community. (2) Could the real reason why Atty. Danz is under constant citicism because a certain board member & wife have tried to get their personnel attorney hired as village attorney. (3) I was told by a reliable source at the West Wind that a candidate running for the top village job secretly/confidentially, thru Craig McCue, applied for Connie's position and only wanted $65k starting saying she could do it all with only 1 part time person. LET'S GET REAL!"

cmh, I am glad you decided to join the rest of the candidates to start gossiping! Remember God is near and watching!

turboguy: In my humble opinion.

I left for two days and all hell breaks loose.

General Motors at 10pm

copperguy-
What is IMHO?

Mr one943 if i'm VP how much do i get paid..
and who am i going to be next week ?

And you to yougot2bkidding keep them card and letters comming good job.

WisconsinMom keep up the good work .

Congrats to yougot2bkidding for scooping the Gazette!

The information about the teacher - regardless of relationships - really is inappropriate to the Darien discussion.

There has been some good, serious, well-reasoned discussion on these forums about what is happening in Darien. On the other hand, some people use these discussions to simply dis one or another of the players.

The teacher is no more germain to Darien than is the sex preference of any of the people in Darien. One can use the old "apple falling near the tree" or whatever axiom, but the bottom line is that this young lady's case is NOT her grandfathers. Bringing these subjects up just detracts from the real problems at hand.

IMHO.

One943..
I posted it, because the Gazette seems to be behind in the news..so..I felt that people of Darien have the right to know..if you don't want to read it..don't follow the link! I didn't say anything derogatory ...
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While I am here I will say this...
It does seem odd that the only 2 people that are openly supporting the current VP for re-election seem to be PP / CK... All I have to say about that is the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree people! BEWARE of how you vote!
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The county doesn't get a search warrant without good reason..maybe our VP had some secrets of his own...some "lifestyle" material?? One never knows what skeletons they would find!
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VOTE April 7th...for CHANGE

One943..
Don't ya think that info is little relevant to speak of the character of a person running for the board? His granddaughter lived with him.. Maybe there should be a search warrant for HIS HOUSE!!

jja: maybe his mouth finally got him in trouble. Or maybe the fact that he was telling people he's been the chief of police for 20 years in Darien. Could be ANYTHING with that guy. A person that is backed by two people on the ballot this year CK and PP. Says a lot about them.

jja
Yes sir Mr VP

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WisconsinMom
Did I miss something--Is Katie running for the board? Must be otherwise any decent person wouldn't toss that in here.

yougot2bkidding ya think they confiscated his home computer? and also the one at the PD , somebody in trouble. Metzner u in a heap o trouble boy, badges we don't need no stinking badges . and all the names on the puter.

Sure enough! Wow, this is turning into a double-double-length feature drama! Too bad the ticket price is so high for the folks of Darien!

Hey, check out CCAP. It appears the Metzner residence was searched by police on 3/12.

Something just hit me. The village trustees were in violation once again on September 26, 2008 by not recognizing that there was a quorum present at the personnel committee meeting. Craig McCue was a citizen in the audience and not recognized on the agenda. I’m sure Craig being an honest man would fess up to that. All the other meetings that Putman attended were recognized as a trustee of interest being at the meeting. Looks like they got away with one….for now anyway. Isn’t the VP in charge and control of the agenda? And cmh claims that DeVoy was running to the D.A.s office and WCSO to cause trouble – looks like he had good reason and wanted to uphold the oath that he took.

cmh
Ok now I see whats going on from the other website, youare the other candidate trying to discredit her. wow

I saw the minutes indicate Metzner, Wenzel, and Zipp only.

outsider read Mc Cue attended the meeting.

Me2
Thanks but I don't see McCue's name

outsider:Darien website personnel committiee September 26, 2008 http://www.darienwi.us/vertical/Sites/%7...

i have to say despite the issues that are going on right now with the commitee and board members it really is nice to see some of the people posting are so passionate about this little town. thank you for all of you that are stepping up and doing something to correct these issues and watching out for this place and hope that you are the same people that will replace some of the others who have caused these problems

Me2
When was this-- daytime “open meeting”, I have looked for it, but can't find it.

from the sounds that everything that is going on in this little town i think that we need some new people to step up and start fresh and do some good for Darien. If i still lived there now i would, i don't want to see my home town go to the wolfs. This is one of the only places left in the area that still feels somewhat safe to live in.

Responsiblecitizen: if you were to speak with the “honest” members of the personnel committee and trustee McCue who was present as a citizen at a daytime “open meeting”, the chief suggested that there were issues with Maltese’s performance and suggested extending his probationary period for further review. Not only did the committee fail to approve the extension, Metzner threatened the chief and told him that he was the problem, not Maltese, and that he was going to call a special meeting regarding DeVoy. So how do you suggest that a supervisor do his job if the committee/board members just get out bandaids and protect their “prize employees”? Metzner said that he was going to put the item on the agenda for consideration by the board. I did some checking and found that a.) there was no action taken by the committee, b.) the action was not brought forward to the board, c.) there was no minutes recorded regarding the chief’s request, either digitally or manual recordings (ironic I would say), d.) the only things that were recorded was the approval of new hours for PM and approval to extend her residency (which the chief apparently knew nothing about as her supervisor) and discussion regarding the employee policy manual. In terms of your accusation of Steve DeVoy distributing flyers, what’s next on your agenda, accusing him of using a Darien police car to put them in newspaper boxes, come-on, get real!

You can talk about Maltese's past all you want...and what should have been done. The Facts are shaky on him and many others. He is still a person and nobody is perfect. I am not defending him by any means BUT we need solutions for the present and future...not criticism on his past. As an officer of the law you deal with many people who are NOT going to like all of your decisions and if you look at the big picture he is only trying to better his career. Wouldn't you try to better your career in whatever field it may be in. Connie did it, heck Sgt. Smith did it he left Darien for a better job. We need solutions for the future not BS stories about the past. You are not going to get rid of Maltese with opinions...without a superior that will take action nothing will be done. You are doing nothing but wasting screen space whining about his past. Deal with him when something can actually be done. The agenda is out for Monday's meeting. I hope that every resident can attend, I would like to see standing room only. If you have a beef bring it to Marc Dennison's attention and you can be on the next Agenda. The election is only 24 days away...GET OUT AND VOTE...

Nowwhat and Zeemax, look at the MMPI test and CMPI test, these are the Psy test most departments use and they will tell if you have a sinister alterego. maltease wouldnt pass or at lease it would come up about being an honest person. His personal life lies would be a flag on this testing. He might pass if a Psy from Madison read it and interviewed him. Otherwise, no way. the bottom line is yes he is the Root to the problems in Darien, he was the problem in Orfy, Albany and he runs from backup. He will not live in the Village of Darien, go ahead offer him the chief's job with the condition that he lives in the Village in 6 months, he will fight you tooth and nail. nowwhat can add to this statement. A Psy test will soon be manditory for all law enforcement in the very near future. Sometimes it catches a nut some times it doesnt this IS WHY A BACKGROUND CHECK MUST BE DONE TO WEED OUT ANYBODY WITH A SHAKEY BACKGROUND, just like the one on maltease. A Psy test is just another tool for Villages to use to protect themselves from a lawsuit. In this Darien case, could have saved this Village from maltese.

I have a hard time believing most of cmhs claims. I happen to feel the majority of the village board does not represent the citizens best interests.
I have followed the blogs and didn't want to get in on the whole trash throwing, but I think cmh is trying to discredit someone who questions why the village is in the state it is in.
I think the questions are valid.

cmh
how did you look at flyers from 2005? If you talked to past employees and board members, then I think you picked which ones you wanted to talk to because you sure didn't talk to all.

yes cmh we all thought you were someone else. Thank GOD and grayhound,your gone.

Barker
I guess you think I'm someone I'm not.

One943
Yes I can tell you how to find out for yourself. In Dec. I started asking questions. I talked to both current and past employees of the village, current and past board members. I looked at past minutes. I looked at the flyers that started showing up in 2005. I also looked at previous board and police minutes as far back as 2003. I also went to darien web site and listened to hours of audio minutes.

cmh
You are right on about DO. So that makes me think you know what you are talking about with the rest. Could you tell us how to find out for ourselfs?

you are right, enough of the name calling, it does make people look childish
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that is right, these are suppose to be adults making adult decisions on people's home town. should be done in a mature way.

responsiblecitizen-how would you know DeVoy handed out flyers?

cmh, your message from 7 miles SW of Darien is coming through loud and clear. The house of cards is just starting to tumble. Those with nothing to hide don't have to really comment but, just sit back and watch the kindling fuel the fire. Lots of luck!

Steve Devoy took a large personal role in distributing flyers before the election to help promote Bob Metzner for VP...take it as you will.

cmh-you are right, enough of the name calling, it does make people look childish. I would think all of the people posting comments are adults, and it is time to start acting that way. It was not the chief that got Metzner into office, it was the voting people of Darien!!

I just had a thought: I wonder if the Village insurance carrier will have to appoint counsel to defend these board members under the "Errors and Omissions" clause?

WisconsinMom I use Feather Pillows too. But,mine don!t have yellow Feathers. Juduies got thirty pieces of silver.They sold you MRS K for fifty seven Bucks.

I have blogged just once before but I have been reading both the blogs and newspapers for weeks. I would like to state the following:
In this week’s newspaper, DO said that “seeking the truth” involves listening to BOTH SIDES and then making a truly informed decision. As a candidate, her blog history doesn’t indicate that she is “seeking the truth” but merely trying to get elected by any means. How does “seeking the truth” work when tactics used are calling people names, implying that others are dishonest, demeaning other bloggers that have questions (i.e. being board member possibly imbibing ____,), discussing Hwy 14 implying it is a local issue when it is the state DOT, charging that the primary election and election officials did something wrong when nothing is further from the truth, implying to the citizens that the chief did nothing wrong when he did, making statements of “misconduct in Office” 1. on double-dipping atty. Fees (untrue) 2. Paying two men chief’s wages, 3. Risking huge lawsuit by sidelining our chief, 4. making comment on the current budget without any knowledge of what is or is not budgeted, 5. referring to present attorney as being dishonest and not GOOD because of certain issues handled by other attorneys, 6. calling people names (i.e. clowns, lollypop cop, boss hog, jug head, behaving as communists, good old boys, demeaning their length of service to us, as bad), 7. The chief is responsible for Metzner being VP (only turned ugly when chief didn’t get what he wanted), It is about time that all candidates and citizens get BOTH SIDES of the stories in “SEEKING THE TRUTH”. Make it a point to talk to all seven current board members representing you as well as the candidates running for office.

Cornchild, So you dont think Maltese is smart enough to do all of this? Then tell me who else was in Albany when the town was turned against each other? Who was working in Orfordville when that police department and community was turned inside out? And also tell me who is in Darien NOW? There is only 1 person that worked in all of those police departments when all of the problems occured. So you tell me who the problem is. Remember if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it must be a duck.

cornchild I find it fascinating that you accuse zeemax of 'being above the law' by merely owning a business, and that suing your employer has become a 'basic right' in your mind.

I sleep very well at night, and not because "CK" gives me doggy treats. Why do I have to be for "CK" because I am against "DO"? Maybe I support Cindy Holmes. I liked her at the candidates' forum, and I know absolutely nothing else about her. Since she's done nothing to get her mentioned on the blogs, she must be a saint!
zeemax, I find it fascinating that you feel that providing employment puts you above the law. The Darien Ten have only taken the first step in the process of asking our justice system to protect them from someone like you, a person who believes a position of power gives them the right to ignore the basic rights we have all earned.

Corn if you were AT the last candidate forum you'd have seen who obeyed the rules and who did 'slash and burn' politics. That would be Kaufenberg. The woman was a train wreck - could not follow the rules Joe set! Joe asked her to stop and she argued with him!

He asked her to stop again and she wouldnt so he asked her to sit down.

Don't know that DebiO said it, but I'd AGREE that anybody who wants to sue their employer should be fired. (I say this as a business owner).

Why don't you share what would be Kaufenberg's 'plan' for this village, since you are her lapdog?

I'd venture to say that 10 employees for a village this size is too many (as questioned from someone on a previous blog), especially if they are overpriced, getting regular overtime or taking advantage of their status, not to MENTION suing the hand that feeds them.

As a resident, I am sick of being taken advantage of, and paying higher taxes and water bills, and don't tell me Kaufenberg will be a 'savior' because she won't. She will be more of the same or worse, since she's already in their pockets.

Corn...
Laugh all you want...if that is what helps you sleep at night..do you use feather pillows?

WAKE up Darien..
The gravy train is over! VOTE CHANGE!

WisconsinMom
Mar 12, 2009 at 5:58 p.m.
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and Corn..how many times do you have to be told to STOP mentioning NAMES?? Do you need a lawsuit against ya from your pal?? Don't forget to include BigBird!
Wisconsinmom: You are kidding, right? Is this where I type LOL?? (I'm not really experienced at blogging). Just remember, in this case I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.
To nowwhat, zeemax, and all the other Maltese bashers: I'm just having a hard time believing that Mike Maltese is that much smarter than Steve DeVoy, the rest of the Darien PD, and the entire board.
And maybe at the next candidates' forum DebiO can describe some positive steps she plans to take as a board member instead of practicing her usual slash and burn politics. She stated at a board meeting that the village hall only handles four customers a day. I am one of over 1600 customers who depend on them to provide basic needs like water every day. Yes, we could do better, but I don't think I want to see what will happen if she gets her way, which is to fire everybody employed by the village with no plan in place to keep the village running.

me2-not only is Kaufenberg sending memos to a select number of board members, (those that regularly vote 5-2 against McCue and Kenyon), but why is Danz charging the village for reviewing KAUFENBERG'S memos? SHE is not a board member.

In addition, Danz billed the village (on 1-26)for reviewing one of KAUFENBERG's letters to the editor of the Janesville Gazette!

Kaufenberg seems to be clearly in the pocket of the current (corrupt) 5 members of the board.

Debio is clearly onto something here, just hasn't gotten to it yet. I say to KEEP GOING.

There is underhanded stuff going on here like I never heard of before.

nowwhat, no problem, totally understand. Just had me curious.

Not for nothing but it is JimPI not JimPL. Easy mistake to make. No worries, just wanted to point that out.

JimPL, others have talked about it on other blogs. Then the Gazette discontinued the blog. I would prefer to keep this one going for a while.

JimPL, I am not going to go into detail. If I did they would remove my comments.

one would like to know what Mrs. Kaufenberg is hiding from board members McCue and Kenyon, reason being after reviewing Attorney Danz's bill for February, he reviewed a memo addressed ONLY to Metzner, Abbott, Wenzel, Putnam and Zipp? In case she doesn't know it, there are 7 members of the board.

nowwhat, might I inquire as to what you mean by his "personal life?" I'm not familiar enough with the situation to know what you're talking about but you have me curious.

zeemax, when someone was talking about Maltese not passing a psych test they were probably talking about his personal life. Even though most don't approve of it, I don't think it would effect his psych test or job performance.

I think he would do fine on a psych test. He is not stupid or nuts. He just knows how to work behind the scenes to get people fired up and to do his dirty work for him. He wants to be a police chief more than anything else in the world. He will do anything to get that job and he don't care who he has to walk over to get the job. It is obvious that he can't or won't go about getting a police chief job the right way. He back stabbed the Orfordville chief trying to get his job. When he did get a chiefs job in Albany he only lasted a few months. But he also left Albany in an uproar and the board, police commission, and citizens were at each other just like Darien.

nowwhat someone posted earlier on another blog that he would never become chief because he couldn't pass a 'psych test'. Your thoughts on that?

zeemax, you are correct. He has perfected his methods. Just read all of the blogs in story after story. Most people are attacking each other, the board, citizens of Darien, or employees of the Village of Darien. Although there have been some good posts about him, most of them are aimed at other people. As I said regardless of which side you are on none of this would be going on if Maltese was still doing security at East Towne Mall.

Maltese also has a habit of running away (while on duty!) when backing up another officer
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wow these are pretty harsh statements and wild things happening in this little town. very sad to think that this is happening and could ruin the town and the trust in this town

No matter what anyone says or who you support there is one thing that you can not dispute. If Mike Maltese was never hired as a Darien police officer, no one would be here talking about Darien, the board, improper meetings, or anything else. He has done the same thing to Albany and Orfordville. Even for those of you that like him. You can not dispute that. He is at the bottom of every controversy in all three villages.

Do anythig to get elected. Even step on your friends

qtp2t
You must have a different paper. Mine says she file 4. One against Metzner and three against the board. Last time I checked McCue and Kenyon were part of the board

One943 I have the paper too and you need to reread it. The open meetings violations you refer to had to do with Metzners behavior according to the article, nothing about McCue and Kenyon.

I was present at the meeting when Metzner was inappropriate to the teacher, and yes the comments have been removed from the audio record of that meeting.

DebO is trying to get a spotlight on this kind of behavior by telling whats really going on. Its about time someone did because those 5 other members and ALL the village employees are out of control taking advantage of us.

WisconsinMom

Blind faith is a wonderful thing

DO is one of the best people I ever met..
She is doing what she thinks is right.. The article misquoted things or didn't tell the whole picture...

BoBo
I thought Debi was ok. She said she supported McCue and Kenyon.Wanted to serve with them on the board. Then I read in todays Delavan paper that she is trying to file complaints against them(open meeting). Lost all respect for her

Darien always was a good place...until corruption and greed took over..
and Corn..how many times do you have to be told to STOP mentioning NAMES?? Do you need a lawsuit against ya from your pal?? Don't forget to include BigBird!
SD,DO,CM,AK and EE and even the teach, are residents that are concerned with keeping this town ALIVE and considered a nice place to live..
There are so many possibilities for this town...
I hope the residents of Darien see through all the lies and smoke.. and vote for the real people.. the people that care about today, tomorrow and beyond 2010!
Darien let's ROCK this vote..just like the presidential election and send a message!

Ann Marie said Dennison posted the court hearing as a village board meeting. I hope we're not paying them for this - it's their own wrongdoing and the residents should NOT be charged for this OR any future court dates!

One943

Thanks for letting us know how you REALLY feel about Debi-O! As I suggested to Responsible Citizen, try taking a proactive role, not a reactive one...unless of course you don't even live in Darien, then your couldn't run for a position. In that case, find another blog to preach on...Darien has enough problems without your criticism.

Too bad it was posted otherwise Debi would have something else to go after. On the other hand the truth has never stopped her before.

i hope all these politics don't do anymore damage, this is a small wonderful little town and because of that all people who live here should ralley together to make it stay that way

cornchild, Sorry, my comment was directed at your choice of "bad guys". I, like you, wish nothing but the best for DirtyAnn, it would seem we have a difference of opinion on who is at fault for a lot of the troubles the village is experiencing. The elections on April 7th, and the conclusion of the many lawsuits will determine the good from the bad.

Good job of looking out for the board Marc.

turkeyman- Village Administrator Marc Dennison told me he posted the hearing as a meeting. The agenda stated that the board would not discuss or take action on village business.

I was right there, and I didn't hear them talking about village business. I did hear some chit chat about an upcoming cattle show and changes to the Gazette's publication cycle.

:)

Ann Marie Ames
reporter

it is really sad i grew up in darien and you know it was a quiet peacful place and nice to hang out in i still enjoy driving through there now because there has been some changes but not so many that you don't recognize the place anymore, it is a little sad that not even this little town could avoid corruption from man

Coyote - my allegiance shouldn't lie with Darien??

If all seven were in Judge Robert Kennedy court room at the same time did they break the open meeting law?

Responsible,
If you hate the way politics are being handled in Darien, then why didn't you take a more proactive role and run for Village Trustee or President than to just criticize those who have on these blogs.

It's no different than the Presidential election...those who complain the loudest never get out and vote. Yet, they will complain til the cows come home what awful shape our country is because of so-n-so.

It seems that the people who are trying to shed light on this whole political mess in Darien ARE the people who have stepped up to make a difference...now, those people, are the ones you critcize the most.

Darien will become a more thriving community and one that people want to live in...IF...you give the people trying to break this mess up a chance. I don't think any of them could make it any worse. Once you are at the bottom, the only way to go is UP!

I think we have just scratched the surface of all Darien's problems and I agree with another blogger...people are innocent until proven guilty. There may be many people eatting crow...

ResponsibleCitizen are you trying to yank someones chain ? LOL

cornchild, in my opinion, some of your allegiences are misplaced.

I'm not trashing...I just afraid of what the future will bring for the Village that I've come to love. I like my home in Darien...I'm sick of the BS politics.

Responsible - aren't you tired of trashing Darien along with so many of the others on these comments pages? It is not funny, it is sad. Darien is a good place to live, with many good people who go about their lives in an honorable manner. People like Steve DeVoy, DebiO, and yes, Bob Metzner, are just making trouble any way they know how to get their way. They are not the real Darien. When all this blows over we will still have the same blessings and the same problems.

Hey Ann you want to move here?

Darien sure is a nice place to live huh?