Heres the bottom line. The family is suffering the loss of a great person at the hands of someone that was comitting a crime by simply being here. If he hadn't been here, this wouldn't have happened. Plain and simple. He's illegal and comitting illegal acts while here. There's nothing racist about saying this at all. Shame on him and all of you that are turing this into a racist argument. Someone died at the hands of a criminal and we as taxpayers are going to be paying for a long time for his actions. I have no issues with someone being here legally, be it red, white, green, blue or brown. I don't care and have friends that are from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds. However, this is crap. It's not a racist comment to say that this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been here illegally in the first place. Get with it. My condolences to the family of the gentleman that was killed by this dirtbag.

SarahB1 - thank you that is exactly what i mean.

latinmami2: I understand what you are saying and I concur. They are taking advantage of a man's death to push their anti-immigrant agenda. My condolences to the family of the man who died.

mickie- I dont know that this person posting is all together with it.So you are correct, there is no point. Best wishes to this family that lost a loved one.

you don't need to put me down for everything i post. it doesnt matter what i post you seem to find the need to bash it in one way or another and that really isn't all that necessary. you claim to be so educated and classy so then i would think that you would not find the need to waste your time talking to me. SO DON'T. When i am posting they are not to you unless you start your nonsense like always bashing whatever i say. it is really simple just leave me alone

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mikie sorry forgot the "c" mickie just a typing error

oh and mikie i didnt just respond to you i responded to bogie to so you are just not that special that i am on here only to post to you so get off your high horse and stop thinking i am just here for you because it just really is not that way sweetie

Latin- stop enough.. Just let it go. Or send me another email through the gazette.. I cant believe you take the time to respond to me- yet the "bottom feeder" remark gets off free...lol
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you can't get why i respond to you? ummm i believe i was posting and you take the time to respond to me so if you don't want a response then stop commenting on what i type okay that is really easy to do you are smart enough i am sure you can figure out that if you stop typing latin this latin that then i won't be responding back to you

Latin- stop enough.. Just let it go. Or send me another email through the gazette.. I cant believe you take the time to respond to me- yet the "bottom feeder" remark gets off free...lol

But you will argue it anyways, so whats the point..
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and you will respond to it anyways, again you don't have to it is not required

Latin- nobody is trying to justify the fact that we house all sorts of criminals etc.. We should certainly NOT have to house and support those that should not be here. Yes, to me this is even more of a tragic thing- because this young man is here ILLEGAL- and NO this would not have happened to this man if this young man was in his own Country!!!! ITS THAT SIMPLE. And yes, I dont like to pay twards any losers housing, court fees etc..whether it be a legal or not. But we are discussing this occurance. Also- no convusling here..?..But you will argue it anyways, so whats the point..

Illegal Immigrants are bottom feeders. Send back every one that doesn't have an American family member, the ones sending back all their money so their family can immigrate illegally.
There will be plenty of jobs then.

and by the way we house and feed and pay for many many many american criminals as well, i don't think we should have to pay for any of them, so that is why i am saying the crime is not any worse than what it is because of his status and someone who was american could of done the same thing, i get if he was not here it would of not happened okay. but what are you going to say when the next accident happens and it is an american, how will u justify that. you can't. these accidents that happen with no license, drugs, drinking, and everything else are happening more and more because of people's poor choices not just because of their status in america

Latinmammi2- I think that what mickie is saying is correct. The information given tells the story and the tragic outcome. I see from your posts that you try to be there for the underdog, which in some instances is admirable. In others not. The point some are making, myself included is that this young man should not have even been here illegally. This is another issue, yet it is part of this story. So I agree that had he been where he was suppose to be, this would not have happened. Not to mention the fact, that we Legal American Tax payers have to now foot his bill in the court systems, and house and feed him in the Jail. Sad.
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i am not in anyway standing up for him, the punishment he gets is what he deserves and actually he will probably deserve even more. i just simply asked a question because immigration comments have been posted. relax everyone. they are simply questions.

Latinmammi2- I think that what mickie is saying is correct. The information given tells the story and the tragic outcome. I see from your posts that you try to be there for the underdog, which in some instances is admirable. In others not. The point some are making, myself included is that this young man should not have even been here illegally. This is another issue, yet it is part of this story. So I agree that had he been where he was suppose to be, this would not have happened. Not to mention the fact, that we Legal American Tax payers have to now foot his bill in the court systems, and house and feed him in the Jail. Sad.

Latin- dont make this into another one of your personal issues.. This young man was under some influence- he had a weapon- no drivers license-and was HERE ILLEGALLY. Had he not even been here- as he should not have been ILLEGALLY then this would have not happened to this poor man and his loved ones. Dont change the true context and infromation as you always try to do.
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it is not a personal issue i am american thank you. i was just posting on the forum like everyone else because that is what they are here for. settle down. i know what the article says thank you. i asked a question because i wanted to know if people would feel any different if this young man was here legally. if you don't like the post by all means do not respond to it i am okay with that. if you like the post and feel like having conversation without convulsing while doing it that is okay too. these forums are for commenting, some people agree some don't and that's okay.

Latin- dont make this into another one of your personal issues.. This young man was under some influence- he had a weapon- no drivers license-and was HERE ILLEGALLY. Had he not even been here- as he should not have been ILLEGALLY then this would have not happened to this poor man and his loved ones. Dont change the true context and infromation as you always try to do.

Maybe YES it would anger people a bit less..
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so if he was american it would make what happened not so bad.

Maybe YES it would anger people a bit less..

would it anger people less if he was here legally? would it make the crime commited not so horrible? i don 't think so. I think the choices this young man made were horrible, and it cost someone his life. but this has happened by people who are american's. The issue is people make choices to drive out on the roads when intoxicated, drugged up, bad weather, tired all things that we should know better than doing because an accident can happen and cause someone to loose their life. Where were his parents in this whole thing why was he allowed out so late? I had a co-worker that lost his 17 yr old daughter last year due to a drunk driver hitting her, it was past midnight and she was on her way home but running late. The thing that he said was he had always told his daughter that nothing good ever happens after midnight and this is why and these are things that i will drill into my kids, that there truly is not anything good that happens after midnight

RetiredAirForce- you got that right! But instead of most people seeing what is the complete truth, they scream racism. Its ridiculous. And the post by Bogie1 is also the truth. This young man will be given all sorts of legal help etc..on our dime. Given the fact that he could be deported AFTER his sentencing, time served- he will probably never have to pay restitution to the innocent man that was killed or his family.

"You can't really blame others who want to come here to this Country to better themselves now can you."
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You can when it is done disregarding the laws of the country they want help from; to better themselves. How ironic that US immigration laws could not be more like Mexico's immigration laws.

You can't really blame others who want to come here to this Country to better themselves now can you..

Hannah, you did, you had this from the beginning. Good for you!!

This person has no respect for rules, regulations, laws, authority, or even fellow human beings. He has a whole lot of issues. He was a time bomb. It wouldn’t matter if he was intoxicated, smoking pot, or even Sniffing Glue, he had a real issue with respect the well-being of another human being. This person is obviously with issues. Maybe he was abused as a child but no one would listen to him, so now he is angry. Oh wait, that’s another blog.
This is a reckless man who really didn’t care. He needs some help, hopefully he can be rehabilitated. He probably has issues none of us will ever understand.
Arguing the pot issue is irrelevant. JMO
This is a person with problems, who reached for answers, probably with drugs. Do you not see this? Whatever his problems were, will never be known except by his counselor, if he gets one. (not the attorney, the brain doctor).
Unfortunately, a person died. Dean. A wonderful person who was an innocent victim. This blog should be all about what he was, who he was, and the great asset to society that he was. Shame on all of you who use this article to argue POT.

I agree it is sad. Worse yet we tax payers have to foot the bill for all the court costs, jail costs, and so forth. But who helps the family of the man killed, who is most likely here legally, not under any influence, not carrying a weapon?

Sad a man lost his life in this, sadder by the young man involved who should not even be here.

Yep. Anyone against illegal immigration is a racist, that's why no one wants to get tough on it. Meanwhile the country is going to seed...
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i don't agree with that i think you can get tough with it, but you do have to be wise in how you choose your words, and there is nothing wrong with that at all.

Yep. Anyone against illegal immigration is a racist, that's why no one wants to get tough on it. Meanwhile the country is going to seed...

some people don't like the truth
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no one ever said it was not okay to say the truth, the truth is this young man is illegal which does make the situation worse for all involved. but you can say that without sounding like you are in the kkk

snowman
legally here??????yeah right!!!!!!!!!!

correct snowman some people don't like the truth

honestly there is nothing at all wrong with saying a person is here illegaly but if you say it harshly and say it offensivly it
does come off sounding racist like this "legally here??????yeah right!!!!!!!!!!"

MiltonRedmen - You might want to check out the Gazette's other article and blog about this tragedy. thekid doesn't condone driving under the influence of anything...even marijuana.

hannah
Mar 10, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.
Suggest removal I am very tired of reading about these selfish people taking the lives of others. If you want to get high or what ever fine- dont go and drive. This isnt like pulp fiction and it ISNT cool to do these things while driving. Get a life and stop taking others!!!!

Sorry to hear this hopefully the family can get threw this.

And let me take a swing at this.
NO registered vehicle
NO licence.
NO insurance
I shouldnt prejudge but JUST A GUESS

I guess I didnt mention illegally here but I thought it.

pickygirl- SO i was correct in my blog entry in the other article- no ins, no reg of auto and illegally here. I dont believe it is racist to think someone of mexican descent is here illegally- it is just a fact that they could be. how many caucasion people live in mexico (and are not from the us) are from mexico(born in) and live here illegally? my guess not many.

legally here??????yeah right!!!!!!!!!!
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the only reason i said something about this is because of how it is posted, it sounds racist, you can't tell anymore by peoples looks what race they are my son is blond hair and green eyes and full latino and speaks spanish (yes here legally so dont freak out)

Racism is just being lazy. Given time, I can find plenty of other reasons to dislike someone. Being racist is just taking the easy way out. ;)

"...possibly marijuana, but they are waiting for the results of a blood test to confirm that, said Capt. Scott McClory."

It's still racist to judge someone based on their color. Duh!

Clearly no one is going to defend this moron.
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What about Michael Phelps? Can I defend him?

Idiots! Who is the racist? The guy who is concerned about the nationality of a person who is clearly also an idiot, or the peerson(s) who jumps all over someone shouting "racist", while going straight for the jugular?
He IS an illegal. He had a gun in the car. He had pot on him. He even had stolen plates.

I stand corrected.

go to www.wtmj4.com and find the story. the gazette has a super edited article. not only was he high, he had a weapon, and stolen plates on the car. OH, and because he is illegal he did not have a valid drivers license.

Where is TheKid to defend this one???? Killed someone while high on Marijuana...

let me help you all settle this one:

Illegal Immigrant, 17, Accused of Killing Man While High
Lacey Krans

ELKHORN - A 17-year-old boy from Milwaukee is accused of killing a Delavan man.

Prosecutors say Donovan Espinosa was driving high on marijuana and is an illegal immigrant.

It is racist. And, yes, he is an American citizen. Are you, the shield?

How about illegal?

Yes, It is racist! To look at someone's skin color and assume that they aren't here legally is not only racist but also moronic! Would you ask the same if he was Asian? You know 30% of undocumented are from Asia. And, Latinos have been here for many, many generations. So, yes, racist -and moronic!

It's racist to inquire if someone is here legally?!?!? It's irresponsible to not ask the question. I have friends of all races and ethnic backgrounds. It's a question. Don't read more into it than that.

legally here??????yeah right!!!!!!!!!!
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wouldn't it be funny if he really was and your just a racist lol lol lol

legally here??????yeah right!!!!!!!!!!

It's sad this this had to happen...to both families. However, I think it would be good to know if this young man was even here legally?!?!?

it is a horrible accident. my thoughts and prayers go out to dean's family as well as the family of this young boy.

sad