Darwin, so you agree with me on all the other issues? cool. How about you answer Mr Scott's question? Or maybe even ONE of mine. I was speaking about Darwin's THEORIES not his predictions. Do you know the difference? I'm sure you believe in him as I believe in God, so I will only shortly argue with you about his hair brained ideas that we came from monkeys. Why are there still monkeys? Where are the giraffes with short necks? Name ONE transitional fossil that didn't turn out to be plain old chimp.
About your weird idea on God doing abortions through miscarriages, there is nothing I can do about that. If you don't believe in God, it makes you look pretty dumb using him to prove your point.

"the dems spend less than the crusaders"
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What world are you living in?

Mooshoo - well spoken - repubs when we admit we have a problem that will be the first step towards taking back individual responsibility. Until then the dems spend less than the crusaders that your party had become.

Better a liberal than a dying breed of malcontents primarily made up of sanctimonious old white guys who elect losers like G.W.B. Better yet, elect old white guys who beg for gay sex in public toilets and have far flung affairs. You know, the same group of hypocrites who preach morality, and offend you with their behavior.
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I laugh at you hard core conservatives. You are out of power and out of touch. You deserve to have leaders like George W. Bust. Some of you are naive enough to believe history will be kind and gentle to him. What makes it funny is you actually believe it. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

"He is a coward!!", says the person behind the keyboard enjoying the air conditioning.

I would like to say that this is not Obama's fault. BUSH started the war and BUSH couldn't finish it. Obama is getting shafted because very very shortly after he was inaugurated, everything failed. He is simply trying to cope with what has been done before his time in office. It took 8 years for BUSH to put us in this mess, it is going to take some time for OBAMA to pull us out. I find it rather pathetic that BUSH is hiding from what he has done. He is a coward!!

"Now, I am not thrilled with everything Obama has done..."
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See, we don't disagree with everything.

"young people went off to fight in an endless war in Iraq..."
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Here is a typical "spin" response from the Bush haters. Men and women volunteers that were willing to take an oath; young and not so young "went" to Iraq after the congress and President decided it was essential. Was all information based on intelligence accurate, no. For the naysayers, no intelligence is ever 100% accurate...but never mind the facts.

Perhaps you need to read the definition of "endless" before you spin it out for another tall tale.

"The working class, they got laid off..."
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You really want to compare layoffs during the Bush years to today?

Whythink, yes and a good name for you, when you state "...Who is spinning? What good happened during the Bush years?"; it is very apparent in your eyes nothing good happened. As I previously said...and the spinners keep telling their tails on the Bush years.

In his OPINION piece, Broder says "he [Obama] misses being compared on a daily basis with his predecessor. Thus, the irony of Obama people saying, “bring back Bush.”"
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David, and anyone else for that matter, please identify who those people are. I want names. Of course there are not any, because he uses a shell game argument.
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Since this is an OPINION piece, I'll give you mine about George W. Bush. Perhaps 20% of the public thinks positively of him. When they are dead and gone 0% will think positively of him.
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It does not matter if he is out of office for 6 months or 6 centuries - his legacy speaks for itself. He accomplished nothing but start a war on false pretense, covet power, exercise greed, and engineer economic ruin. Even the most dogmatic conservative revisionists will have there hands full with putting a spin on W.
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I understand the G.W.B. Foundation is trying to raise money to place the library on a major university campus. I doubt they raise enough in my lifetime to make it happen. But if it is built, I'll stop by to use the facilities. I look it as an opportunity for me to leave my mark on his legacy, if you know what I mean. Chances are, I'll miss a a lot to the right and a little to the left.

"RetiredAirForce
Jun 23, 2009 at 1:59 p.m.
Suggest removal And the spinners keep pushing their tales on the Bush years."
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Who is spinning? What good happened during the Bush years?
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Biggest attack on our soil. Bank collapse. Housing market burst. 2 wars. Torture. No bid contracts.
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The rich got richer and then after their company failed got a bonus while the middle class shrunk and shrunk and shrunk. The working class, they got laid off and young people went off to fight in an endless war in Iraq based on incorrect information while Afganistan, the real enemy continued to produce terriorists.
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I don't have to spin to highlight the failures, corruption and abuse of power by GW Bush and his adminstration.
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For all the hatred aimed at Clinton for lying about a BJ, how easily the right is willing to close their eyes when real dangerous corruption and abuses of power take place.
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Now, I am not thrilled with everything Obama has done and I am very disappointed with his failure to fight for some of his campaign promises...Universal Health Care but I am nowhere near as disappointed or embaressed about my vote for Obama as I am for my two votes for GW. Hopefully Obama will become the president he said he would be and not just another sell out in the oval office.
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I will rip him a new one if he continues to sell out.

"crafty
Jun 26, 2009 at 11:25 a.m.
Suggest removal Here we go again with the soggy brained hypocrisy, Darwin says: "A fetus isn't a baby and since you don't and can't ever carry one you have no idea what a woman goes through in making those decisions. And yet, like a petty tyrant you wish to impose yourself upon them."
- Yeah these women who made the stupid mistake of NOT USING CONTRACEPTIVES, deserve rights! What about the rights of the "FETUS"? Or the FATHER?
They are "imposing themselves upon" the baby they are murdering!"
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I won't guess how this became about abortion but here is my 2 cents on the issues.
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I am strongly against abortion while being pro-choice.
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The father, who also stupidly didn't use contraceptions knows, or should know that he doesn't have any rights regarding the LEGAL act of the mother to abort her pregnancy.
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I believe the law has made it legal for a women to end her pregnancy so continuing to call it murder seems pointless. The law has decided the fetus does not have the rights of a human baby so continuing to call it a human baby seems pointless.
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Why can't the pro-choice and pro-life groups come together and figure out a way to reduce abortions and reduce unwanted pregnancies without fighting about Roe v. Wade?
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It seems that is the biggest hurdle nobody wants to jump. Unwanted pregnancies is the real issue NOT ABORTION.
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Prehaps the Palin way, abstinence only, isn't working and something else needs to be taught in order to reduce unwanted pregnancies and UNWANTED ABORTIONS. Because again, nobody wants anyone to have an abortion. Pro-life, pro-choice, nobody is hoping abortion is needed. OK, no sane person is hoping abortion is needed.
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Sorry about the Palin cheapshot but it is the easiest way to make the point about the failed policy of abstinence only education.

crafty, all of Darwin's predictions have come true. Your ignorance of them simply proves your cognitively impaired and not that they didn't come to pass. All the medicines that you take are based on Darwin's theory of the evolution of species because they are first tested on animals.

Repeating over and over again that a fetus is a baby never makes it so. I have seen the video many times and squirming doesn't prove anything. You are seeing what you want to see because it is what you already believe to be true. You are so against Tiller yet God's abortions known as miscarriages happen every day, some women have multiples and still keep trying knowing full well what the outcome will be. It seems that only a bunch of male religious zealots think they can dictate to women what they can do with their bodies including making prostitution illegal which doesn't seem to working so well.

Prounion...your point is what? If you don't believe in God why qoute the Bible?

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

darwin - as any person unable to survive without help from feeding tubes and breathing apparatus not alive or not a human? So the fetus gets nutrition and oxygen from the mother and you make the argument that the child is part of the mother and therefore its her decision whether or not to abort the child. Is a person in a coma, surviving on nutrition and oxygen from the hospital no longer their own, but property of the hospital? How is a fetus not a baby? Many aborted fetuses are able to survive outside the womb with help of hospital instruments. Sorry, but your argument is extremely weak.

Oh, and even when I'm dead, I will still be a HUMAN BEING.

Other than that, you agree with everything I said then? Cool.
A baby can survive without it's mother after six or seven months. Tiller, your hero, killed thousands of babies of that age.
By the way Charles Darwin was a confused moron, who even greatly doubted himself before he died. Not one theory he had about evolution was ever proven

The fetus is in HER BODY using HER BLOOD to feed and the government isn't allowed to unreasonably search through and seize a part of HER BODY. How incredibly arrogant and dictatorial can you be? Again you keep calling it a baby when its not. You will someday be dead but we don't call you a corpse before it happens.

Yes, just keep repeating yourself. Evidently, if you keep repeating it over and over again then it will eventually come true like magic. Are their unicorns and elves in your world too?

Here we go again with the soggy brained hypocrisy, Darwin says: "A fetus isn't a baby and since you don't and can't ever carry one you have no idea what a woman goes through in making those decisions. And yet, like a petty tyrant you wish to impose yourself upon them."
- Yeah these women who made the stupid mistake of NOT USING CONTRACEPTIVES, deserve rights! What about the rights of the "FETUS"? Or the FATHER?
They are "imposing themselves upon" the baby they are murdering!

What YOU said was I had no factual evidence to back my "claims" list up. Are you confused? Do I need to spell it out for you? I'm sure your professor would.
So save the whales, kill the fetus isn't a fact? 300,000 dead "fetus'" a year isn't a fact? How many is it then? Fetus is a politically correct term for UNBORN BABY. Only an idiot wouldn't already know that, so you must be pro abortion/murder. Or should I say "pro choice"
"we feed, clothe, shelter, and now even demand DRIVERS LICENSES for illegals."-Fact, no?
"Your own Liberal leader, Doyle wants to let all the drug dealers, burglars (like the one who recently shot two Milwaukee cops), and thieves out of prison. He wants to pay back his trial lawyer buddies by installing this 1% liability crap." - Isn't a fact?
"When it comes time to even make fun of Obama, people fly off the handle. Let alone criticize or hold him responsible by now" - Maybe not a fact but, only a brainwashed sheep would not believe this is true.
"There's another one. Libtards screech, "don't under any circumstances oppress anyone" -Unless it's a Christian, smoker, or an unborn baby" - Isn't true? You could also add Homophobe, fat person, and republican to that list.
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HERE IS A ROCK SOLID FACT FOR YA...AGAIN, since you seem to have missed it. Typical. "Ms. California? Shunned and ruined by Liberal Moron Bloggers and news stations because she shares THE EXACT SAME VIEW ON GAY MARRIAGE AS OBAMA!" = FACT
"Then there's Gore, who constantly preaches about Global Warming, while flying around in his own private jet, living in a million square foot home. Edwards, who cheated on his dying wife. Clintons who stole all kinds of money as scumbag lawyers. Wright, who is Obamas racist mentor. and Ayers. A terrorist. All Hypocrites." ALL FACT except maybe the 1,000,000 sq. ft. part. It's probably more...
"Did you see the press conference today? The few questions he answered that WEREN'T softballs from his crone friends at NBC, CBS, CNN, and the NEW York Times, all were answered with uh...ummm....uh.....uummmmmm, then NO ANSWER." - If you actually watched the press conference you would not be able to deny this one either.
By the way THE GLOBE IS "WARMING" BECAUSE OF A THING CALLED THE SUN! WE ARE NOT THE ONLY PLANET UNDER "CLIMATE CHANGE". FOR EVERY KOOK SCIENTIST THAT TELLS YOU ALL ABOUT "CLIMATE CHANGE" THERE IS AT LEAST ONE IF NOT TWO THAT ARGUE THE OPPOSITE. You of all people must believe the dinosaurs existed millions of years ago. They had an ice age. Was that because of all their farting methane gasses? Or do you think it was because they abused Mother Earth, and she got mad and screwed them over? Maybe it was the fact that we are one planet in a SUN BASED SOLAR SYSTEM, helpless as to the events of a universe wide nature. -Hey, by the way, not a fact...

Oh and I'm not complaining, I am just arguing a point. With all the complaining going on lately, I can see how you got confused.

No Prounion, I just have no sympathy for him. His family, of course.
I just love the way you and Darwin bash the Christians. If I bashed a Homosexual, I'd be shunned. Then I'd be a "homophobe", and you'd go ahead and oppress me for that too.
Of all the examples I had, that is the one you take a stand on? Oh, and what a stand it is.

crafty, only in your sub-standard world is a list a form of evidence. You see when the globe warms the climate changes - duh. It is a logical sequence, however, you have somehow found a way to twist it into a delusional conspiracy.

Exactly, how are you feeding and clothing immigrants? You are such a bigot. They pay sales taxes or have you forgotten that fact? If you want them to completely pay taxes we could move all taxes to sales taxes and then we wouldn't have to hear people like you cry and whine about it. Crafty says, "Poor me, poor me I'm a cry baby victim."

I am sure that in your little land of Myopia you have lots of examples that support what you already believe. We could go on and on about all the gay bashing gay Republicans but what would be the point. John Edwards didn't become President and neither did Al Gore. Sarah Palin cries about David Letterman yet she is the one who allowed a young man to have access to her underage daughter. Where was the pit bull with lipstick then? And your going to bring up Dick and Bush and think we are going to weep for them too - good luck.

A fetus isn't a baby and since you don't and can't ever carry one you have no idea what a woman goes through in making those decisions. And yet, like a petty tyrant you wish to impose yourself upon them.
Sounds about right.

"You must believe in the bible then..."
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There you go again trouncing on other peoples beliefs...very encouraging and tolerant.

Crafty - so your point about "poor Tiller the baby killer" was that his murder was justified?
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You must believe in the bible then, because god orders us to kill relentlessly in many passages, or sometimes he has an angel perform the genocide.

"It might be a little too early to be judging Bush from a historical point of view."
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Gee, that would be the understatement of the century.

Yes Pharm, Mark Danner, the author of your linked story...a real unbiased source. He has written countless articles against Bush (including his election) yet did write a story about Obama and sweet potato pie; I am sure his story is an accurate one.

and who was lying? http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18034

The Dems are outgunned(that's why they wanna take away yours), and everyone would know it, if they didn't blindly watch Liberally Biased News programs.

Maybe you are just outgunned and would rather see the comments shut down.

Darwin. Since you obviously didn't even read it here it is again. The examples you were so sure I couldn't produce. Are you trying to tell me the following "have no factual evidence to back them up"? I hope that is what you are saying. It will only further prove my point.

Let's see Darwin, there's "global warming" now turned "climate change", save the whales, spotted owl, rain forest, trees, veal calves, dying horses, immigrants, lazy people, inmates, terrorists, and Gitmo detainees, but KILL THE "FETUS". -Hypocrisy no?
let's go back, we feed, clothe, shelter, and now even demand DRIVERS LICENSES for illegals. Your own Liberal leader, Doyle wants to let all the drug dealers, burglars (like the one who recently shot two Milwaukee cops), and thieves out of prison. He wants to pay back his trial lawyer buddies by installing this 1% liability crap. Then there's the Unions.
How about how they picked apart Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin, and families. When it comes time to even make fun of Obama, people fly off the handle. Let alone criticize or hold him responsible by now. What a freakin' double standard! Don't you agree Darwin. Your name alone says a lot, it says you are a deeply religious person.
There's another one. Libtards screech, "don't under any circumstances oppress anyone" -Unless it's a Christian, smoker, or an unborn baby. Oh poor Tiller the baby killer. What about the FIFTY THOUSAND BABIES HE KILLED?
Ms. California? Shunned and ruined by Liberal Moron Bloggers and news stations because she shares THE EXACT SAME VIEW ON GAY MARRIAGE AS OBAMA! Then there's Gore, who constantly preaches about Global Warming, while flying around in his own private jet, living in a million square foot home. Edwards, who cheated on his dying wife. Clintons who stole all kinds of money as scumbag lawyers. Wright, who is Obamas racist mentor. and Ayers. A terrorist. All Hypocrites.
Want more Darwin? I've got dozens lined up and ready for ya.
Did you see the press conference today? The few questions he answered that WEREN'T softballs from his crone friends at NBC, CBS, CNN, and the NEW York Times, all were answered with uh...ummm....uh.....uummmmmm, then NO ANSWER. What a stooge! A stooge only a stooge would vote for.

"Clearly, the college you are attending has low standards."
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Coming for a person with an "advanced degree" you should know...

Then there's Doyle promising not to "under any circumstances" raise taxes. Oh wait that was a LIE not a hypocrisy.
How about The proposed Wisconsin Energy Tax, the highest tax EVER in Wisconsin, and right in the middle of a recession. Good idea guys. Maybe not a hypocrisy but it sure is idiotic. It could cost every family $1,000 a year.
Doyle also stopped everything yesterday and pushed to the front, above all else, the Hospital Tax bill, 1.7 billion dollars. Who do you think will pay for that?
Cap & Trade - Stupid. It will only drive businesses out of the country, but only after they reflect the costs to their customers, who in turn, quit spending, causing more problems.
Oh gee, Obama's press conference. Did you see him ask the Huffington Post reporter to ask his CLEARLY planted question about Twitter, then not even answer it? MORON. Obama, If you wanna tell everyone how cool you are just do it. That is where he is gonna go off the tracks, he will always want to remain cool, that will be his downfall as an American President, well maybe that and the fact that he is trying to destroy America as we know it.

The Gazette shows its stripes by allowing the goon squad to spout their conspiratorial nonsense, lies and constant rants while stifling those who are not afraid to stand against them. Crafty your statements have absolutely no basis in reality. You make ridiculous claims that have no factual evidence to back them up. Donald Rumsfeld had the famous meeting with Saddam soon after the Kurds were gassed. Shook his hand. Clearly, the college you are attending has low standards.

The only place the WMD exists is in your wishful thinking.

Craft, while you are on the subject of hypocrisy, what about The news of Republican Gov. Sanford? Or David Vittner, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, or Newt Gingrich, all ripped into for not having the morals they are supposed to have as Republicans.
Sanford was recently crucified by the Left wing news stations. Leading to the end of his political career. Just like every other Republican held to higher standards for some reason. (I know the reason, Liberals have no standards)
Look at Ted Kennedy (dead hooker in his pool), JFK, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, John Edwards, And the famous Elliot Spitzer, who paid a woman for sex. (how good is that for woman's rights? A hypocrisy within a hypocrisy.)
These men were not bashed at all by the media. Wonder why?
If it's not a hypocrisy then it just means the Liberals don't hold themselves to the same high standards as Republicans, therefore when they do the same exact things, they are not labeled hypocrites.

Oh yeah, don't forget the 300,000 babies killed every year. I bet you're all for that too. Hope you don't miss Whale Wars...

Prounion: Oh, you are good. All bow to the best new blogger in town! Such substance.
Would you like to be my devils advocate, since Darwin fell in the first day of battle?
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Gays do have the same rights as everyone else. They are all allowed to marry anyone of the opposite sex. Just like everyone else. Ignorance is bliss though right?

Crafty - Therapy dude, therapy, also there is no god, bush sucked, and gays will eventually have the same rights as everyone else.

Well, after six years of searching, if he ever said he had WMD`s, tried to get yellow cake from Niger, re-constituted his nuclear program, had mobile chemical labs, was in cahoots with the 'Axis of Evil", he was obviously lying!

Zoom I see you are back to making your glib statements; I guess those made by you are ok.

If you are asking if I watched a 60 minutes interview, the answer is no. I still find it very ironic, now Saddam is to be believed after he has stated everything else he said was lies. What else did he lie about that we don't know?

Darwin? Come out, come out, wherever you are.

RAF, did you even watch the interview with the FBI agent who interviewed Saddam for SEVEN months? Very compelling. Of course, torture wasn't involved, so it must not be true.

andre_linoge, it's true the world does love BHO. Also, per your statement below about GW not being the worst president in history, I agree. James Buchanan has him beat. Of course, a chimpanzee could have done a better job than James Buchanan.

“Must be easy to be glib about war when your flying in a plane”
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For the ignorant (lacking knowledge), “your” should be you’re; no down to your snide remark. If you read the full definition of glib you would understand that your remarks are of the same; 23 Jun, 9:31 and again 24 Jun, 8:32; but tossing a label makes you fell better I guess.

Funny how you quote a story that tells the “truth” behind what a liar all these years Saddam was…but this time we should believe his words?

With N. Korea threatening, I'm glad we have a president who will be able to form a real coalition (not just GB and Poland) of allies so we won't have to foot the bill on our own.

Must be easy to be glib about war when your flying in a plane, or sitting in a classroom, and you don't have to get your hands dirty.

lol

Guess his plan back fired...

FortWayneGM, Saddam didn't comply with the weapons inspections because he was more afraid of Iran finding out he had already gottenn rid of his weapons program. He didn't think the U.S. would actually invade. He was sabre ratling. He thought we would just carry out some bombing missions, like we had in the past, which he survived.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/2...

Let's see Darwin, there's "global warming" now turned "climate change", save the whales, spotted owl, rain forest, trees, veal calves, dying horses, immigrants, lazy people, inmates, terrorists, and Gitmo detainees, but KILL THE "FETUS". -Hypocrisy no?
let's go back, we feed, clothe, shelter, and now even demand DRIVERS LICENSES for illegals. Your own Liberal leader, Doyle wants to let all the drug dealers, burglars (like the one who recently shot two Milwaukee cops), and thieves out of prison. He wants to pay back his trial lawyer buddies by installing this 1% liability crap. Then there's the Unions.
How about how they picked apart Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin, and families. When it comes time to even make fun of Obama, people fly off the handle. Let alone criticize or hold him responsible by now. What a freakin' double standard! Don't you agree Darwin. Your name alone says a lot, it says you are a deeply religious person.
There's another one. Libtards screech, "don't under any circumstances oppress anyone" -Unless it's a Christian, smoker, or an unborn baby. Oh poor Tiller the baby killer. What about the FIFTY THOUSAND BABIES HE KILLED?
Ms. California? Shunned and ruined by Liberal Moron Bloggers and news stations because she shares THE EXACT SAME VIEW ON GAY MARRIAGE AS OBAMA! Then there's Gore, who constantly preaches about Global Warming, while flying around in his own private jet, living in a million square foot home. Edwards, who cheated on his dying wife. Clintons who stole all kinds of money as scumbag lawyers. Wright, who is Obamas racist mentor. and Ayers. A terrorist. All Hypocrites.
Want more Darwin? I've got dozens lined up and ready for ya.
Did you see the press conference today? The few questions he answered that WEREN'T softballs from his crone friends at NBC, CBS, CNN, and the NEW York Times, all were answered with uh...ummm....uh.....uummmmmm, then NO ANSWER. What a stooge! A stooge only a stooge would vote for.

Although I am an employee of General Motors, I am also a student at IPFW (Indiana University-Purdue University-Fort Wayne) I will always be learning so I am not claiming to know everything. However I am a Business Finance Major with a Political Science Minor and as stated I do NOT know everything. Nevertheless when it comes to these two topics; Business and Politics, I am very confident with the views I espouse.

And need I remind about the “Axis of Evil?”
President George W. Bush, 2002 State of Union Address:
Our second goal is to prevent regimes (terrorist) that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction. Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th. But we know their true nature. NORTH KOREA is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens. IRAN aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom. IRAQ continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime HAS PLOTTED to develop ANTHRAX, and NERVE GAS, and NUCLEAR WEAPONS for over a decade. THIS IS A REGIME THAT HAS ALREADY USED POISON GAS TO MURDER THOUSANDS OF ITS OWN CITIZENS—leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children. This is a regime that agreed to international inspections—then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world. States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an AXIS OF EVIL, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They COULD provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They COULD attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.
So can we deduce by some of the comments listed within this blog President Bush didn’t do enough?

Typical left wing bullcrap. Liberals are all a bunch of hypocrites, talking out of both sides of their mouths. Obama is their blindfolded bumbling leader, Along with the losers in the UN. Time is all we need to let these morons prove to all what idiots they are. I'd be happy to present examples.

For those who like to micro analyze my posts; no, we did not liberate Kuwait alone, nor did we liberate Iraq alone. We had an International coalition; some which had weakened their resolve when they realized; quoting Major General William T. Sherman “War is #^!!.” And actually the Iraq war with Saddam Hussein lasted from March 20 to May 1, 2003. It was the continuing war with Al-Qaida which was then fought in Iraq where some of America’s Allies became weak. Please remember as some so hastily like to forget, America first went after Al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan THEN to Iraq. For those who understand American History President Bush (43) campaigned in 2000 on a Neoisolationist platform and had absolute determination to this until September 11, 2001 which catapulted us into the Preemptive War on Terror. Scooter Libby’s situation was a high-profile media obsessed quagmire. Unlike President Clinton’s Complete Pardon of Henry Cisneros (another high-profile White House scandal during the disgrace of the Clinton Presidency); Libby saw much less forgiveness of a commuted prison sentence.

An argument/opinion based on an anonymous source? Since when was that a basis for a debate? Yeah, racism is a real issue that is pretty evident here, when the majority of the arguments against President Obama are baseless; we can then move onto the next most prevalant reason to be against the guy. He's a successful man who came from a blue collar background, and African heritage. Wow, that must be some fly in the ointment of 40 and 50 something year olds who have not done much with their lives YET!

Look at the premise of the article, ..." I wish George II would speak up more." George II doesn't have to speak up to create cannon fodder, Dick Cheney has been making enough of an ass of the GOP with Rush Limbaugh!

Just the facts mam. Just the facts.

And the spinners keep pushing their tales on the Bush years.

fortwayneGm, you are full of it. First, we didn't liberate Kuwait alone. Second, he did lie about WMD or did you forget Scooter Libby pressing the CIA to lie about it. If they weren't lying then we did they out Valerie Plame in retaliation for her husband's truthful comments. And what exactly did Bush do with North Korea? Six way talks? Oh that has worked out great I see. Eight years later and Iran and North Korea are still building weapons. Try living in the "real" world.

Remember Rome? Remember Nero?
Bush can always be your hero
If you like to back a ZERO.

I wish Sarah Palin would speak up a little more to remind us why we didn't vote in McCain.

fortwaynegm: Good post and I agree with most of what you've said. I fear for us today with the president we have now. He has not taken any stand against N. Korea or Iran. He wants to invite them to the Whitehouse and have a BBQ with them! He will be tested and probably soon the way things look. And if he takes the kind of stand he is doing now we are doomed!! I don't believe he knows how to lead a country but maybe time will tell. I just hope we will be here as the United States when it's all said and done!!!

We need a president that has a backbone in this uncertain(N. korea ) times. I almost wish bush was back in office now. I would be voting democrat in the next election for sure

When the best the libs can do is say "racism!" and "it's Bush's fault!" in reaction to any criticism of Obama, you know you're onto something. The next few years are going to be fun!

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The entire article is based on an anonymous "White House staff member" conversation/comment, and racism. If you are going to take pot shots at the POTUS pull your cajones out of the wife's purse and name some names, otherwise, keep the divisional and partisan politicing to Rush Limbaugh and his band of merry idiots. Thanks.

Good column. I think some of you are missing the point by getting into the "who's the worst president" argument. Frankly, who cares? What's interesting is what has transpired as Obama takes the driver's seat and Bush goes into semi-seclusion.

Drill here! Drill now! Oh I forgot the special interest groups, as well as the Democrats in Congress shut that request down immediately!

Interesting how it’s so simple to forget about the Saddam Hussein led invasion of Kuwait. Of course we went in and liberated Kuwait only to have them tell us “not to let the door hit our behinds on the way out.” As far as WMD’s in Iraq, if our liberation of Iraq was such a futile effort why are we still there today? President Bush is not omniscient, neither he nor his administration lied to anyone about their knowledge of WMD’s. A whole host of countries intelligence made the same assumptions. To put the American President on the same level of God is absurd. Democrats have controlled Congress since the 2006 election; they could have pulled funding for troops in Iraq just as they did to President Nixon with our troops in Vietnam. Why are we building up troops currently in Afghanistan? Is Obama attempting to finish something President Bush (43) didn’t finish? Was President Bush finishing a war his Dad couldn’t finish? Or was he attempting to finish a war that should have been finished by Bill Clinton but wasn’t? To say Saddam Hussein was a threat to no one but his own country is complete nonsense. Who has N. Korea been a threat to since the 1950s? Who has Iran been a threat to since the 1980s? No one other than their immediate neighbors JUST LIKE SADDAM HUSSEIN!; but the world is watching both of them right now like a hawk! Wondering what the United States next move is going to be with WMD potential aimed at Israel Japan and Hawaii. Whether we like it or not we are put in a position of the Worlds keeper. While our current President is planning his vacation to Martha’s Vineyard, the World is watching him. He makes it all look just too easy, doesn’t he?

"Maybe someday someone, including Obama will cease blaming the past and thank a man, President George W. Bush for making our adversaries fewer with the elimination of a Saddam Hussein regime."

Please explain how the U.S. and it's allies are safer now, considering Iraq never had WMD's? How was Iraq our adversary? Remember WMD's, the justification for war? Oops, couldn't find them, so now the revisionists only mention the removal of an evil dictator. Saddam was evil, mostly to his own people, but Iraq wasn't a training ground for attacking U.S. soldiers before we invaded. In this whole process, we've also managed to remove a threat next door to Iran. The Iraq War will be forever seen as Bush's biggest error. I don't think Bush's silence after the election is going to erase that.

So, Bush is a good guy because he "protected" us AFTER the biggest terrorist attack in our nations history, but Obama will be a failure if another attack happens again? Nevermind that 9/11 happened during Bush's presidency, or that we gave up some freedoms for that security. I've never blamed Bush for 9/11, but giving him credit for a lack of attacks since 9/11 is just as silly. Hey, at least Iraq won't attack us now, right?

To mention Saddam flying the planes into the World Trade towers completely misses my point. As for Bin Laden, regardless what some may say within our own government I believed he has long been with Jimmy Hoffa. I didn’t agree with everything President Bush did as President. Attempting to cross the isle (bipartisanship) for issues like health care (prescription meds for seniors) and education (no child left behind) just to name 2 was an abject failure. Ultimately it did him no favors politically. I believe the article above is just a beginning to the end for the Honeymoon love affair with our current President that the media enjoys portraying of the American people. Obama will be tested, but the testing Biden was talking about last fall wasn’t about what is going on in Iran currently. Biden was speaking about another terrorist attack. President Bush kept us safe for the years preceding the September 2001 attacks. It may take some time before the terrorist regroup to attempt it again. I believe America would vote differently if we lived in a society which feared episodes of a mall blowing up, or a suicide bomber sitting outside of a bank or blowing up a school full of students. Some countries deal with this on a daily basis. Oklahoma city and the events of 911 were at least to date isolated incidents. America is fortunate that we have had leaders in the past such as President(s) Reagan and Bush that provide us with the day to day stability that this nation enjoys. Some people of other countries are not that fortunate.

FortWayneGm, Sadaam Hussain (Iraq) had NOTHING to do with 9/11, nor was Iraq a threat to the U.S. I'm amazed people still believe that misconception.

Back on topic. I think Bush has been a class act for not speaking publicly after his term was up. The article is pointless. Chaney has given the Obama administration plenty of fodder since the election.

Can you say they were all biased one way or the other? No you can``t. The writer would have to go by what the 109 historians said to write the article. Even a die hard liberal/conservative would have a hard time getting away from the fact that 61% thought Bush was the worst President in history. The only way to discredit the article is to show bias on the historians part. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, if we were to each list the ten worst presidents I`m sure the lists wouldn`t match. I saw a list yesterday that included Adams and Jefferson as part of the worst of all time.

"FortWayneGM, the way you talk you'd think Saddam flew those planes. He had nothing to do with any of it. Cheney even admits to that. Maybe you'd like to explain why Osama bin Laden is still wandering free?"

A great question. I know that during the election our current president said that he would get him. He must be close, right?

My links were not blogs, they were news articles. Blogs are totally opinion driven.

andre, I think you are guity of the same thing you accuse others of, only you are using conservative blogs instead of liberal ones.

Ronald Reagan, worst president ever....baltimorechronicle.com/2009/060309Parry.shtml

FortWayneGM, the way you talk you'd think Saddam flew those planes. He had nothing to do with any of it. Cheney even admits to that. Maybe you'd like to explain why Osama bin Laden is still wandering free?

For some reason America’s media refuses to remind us that the United States was ATTACKED on September 11, 2001. The media was quick to stop airing video of the planes flying into the World Trade Center as well as the events that followed like radical terrorist decapitating innocent American citizens. The media realized that they were accomplices to promoting what could have been the greatest President in the history of the United States. Some in American can identify the political bias presented by the media; others are completely sensationalized by it. I thank God that we had a man as President like George W. Bush willing to stand up for the American people at a time which was our Nation’s darkest hour. He didn’t campaign on war no President, Democrat or Republican wants to go to war. Why were we in Vietnam? Why were we in Korea? Why were did we FIRST go into the European Theater to Fight Nazi Germany when it was the Japanese that attacked us at Pearl Harbor? Which President, better yet political party dropped the “BOMB” on Japan August 6th and 9th in 1945? We have lived in political fear ever since of some lunatic leader like N. Korea‘s Kim Jong-il or Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad possessing the ability to do the same thing to one or any of our allies including the United States. DOES ANYONE HERE UNDERSTAND AMERICAN POLITICS? September 11, 2001 was the first time in America’s history we were attacked by an ideology that wore no uniform, had no territory and of course had no boundaries. Most would agree, including a now FREE(er) Iraq that the Iraqi people, including all of the surrounding territory are better off without a Saddam Hussein being added to the list of leaders previously mentioned. Maybe someday someone, including Obama will cease blaming the past and thank a man, President George W. Bush for making our adversaries fewer with the elimination of a Saddam Hussein regime. I truly believe it will be awhile a LONG while before the media realizes and begins reporting how GREAT of a President we had in George W. Bush. Only one other President could I parallel to the accomplishments of our 43rd President, and that was President Reagan. The media will do all it can to destroy both men’s legacies. But some of us will not forget. I thank God that these two men were leaders of the free world at a time they were needed most.

andre_linoge, despite your prejudices, the historians' choice for worst president has been and remains James Buchanan. Carter showed up 34th on a 2005 WSJ poll, but generally it's Buchanan or one of his near-contemporaries, Tyler, Fillmore, Pierce, Johnson, or Grant. The only 20th century Prsident who comes close to last is Harding (even Nixon does better, because of his foreign policy coups).
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There's only been one poll since Bush left office. He ranked 39th.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y7lou5

Andre said: "Use a poll by another select group, republicans, that might show a much different outcome. Just like a poll by a select group of democrats would more than likely have a different outcome."
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Another reason that polls (and reporting about the polls) is completely useless.
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Ask 1000 Wisconsin football fans who their favorite team is and 95% will probably say Packers. Ask those same 1000 fans who's going to win the Super Bowl and you'll still get a 95% response for the Packers. It's not based on data or facts, it's based on emotion and the heart.
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Oh, and don't read too much into the Packer analogy. I'm a Packer fan and they WILL, in fact, win the Super Bowl this season. =)

Why is the media so focused on what the polls say? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know enough about global economics, the auto industry, or diplomacy to even answer a damn poll. I know a little, but certainly not enough to make my answer worthy of a publicized poll. And I suspect the majority of poll responders are in the same boat.
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Is Obama doing all the right things? Unfortunately, we won't know until we start seeing results. And the results everyone is looking for are NOT going to show themselves in the first 6 months of a presedency, regardless of who is president.
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In the meantime, I stand behind him and do what I can to support him and this country. He and the hundreds of experts helping him know a hell of a lot more than I do.

harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plai...

hnn.us/articles/48916.html

I watched Sen. John McCain on a CBS news show this morning. He had lots of interesting insight to provide about today's issues. And, he had lots of praise for President Obama's efforts.

I think what this article is saying without saying it, is that it is easy for everyone to arm chair quarterback a presidency. Obama is going to learn quickly, just as Bush did, that you can't make everyone happy and there are always problems. It's hard to put out a fire with a squirt gun. My fear is that Obama is falling into the the "Jack of everything master of nothing" dilemma. Neither his domestic policy or foreign policy have proven to be productive thus far. It's still early and I think most Americans will be patient. However, if unemployment is still hovering between 7-10% and North Korea and Iran continue to be problems by years end, Obama will continue to slide in the polls. The only good thing for Obama is that Republicans are in complete disarray.

Welcome to the real world Obama. You can talk but you can't walk.