Questions remain as state pushes ahead with "shovel ready" rail line
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Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle announces Friday, July 17, 2009 that the state will buy $47 million in passenger rail cars from the Spanish train company Talgo to replace aging trains that run between Milwaukee and Chicago. Talgo would be the vendor for train cars for a high-speed rail line between Madison and Milwaukee if Wisconsin gets federal stimulus funds.
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It would reach downtown Milwaukee, but stop nearly 6 miles shy of downtown Madison.
Nobody is certain how many people would ride.
Yet a proposed high-speed rail line linking Wisconsin’s two largest cities—with a price tag of half a billion dollars—remains at the heart of an intensive campaign by top state officials including Gov. Jim Doyle to land federal stimulus money.
“We’re maybe one of the only states in the country ... if not the only one that’s actually planned for this moment,” Doyle declared July 17 in announcing a new partnership with the Spanish train company, Talgo, to provide sleek new rail cars. “This truly is the most shovel-ready rail project in the Midwest and, I think, the U.S.”
The project could have a significant impact on Janesville if the city lands a deal to manufacture train cars. Milwaukee also is competing for the work.
Wisconsin has agreed to a $47 million deal with Spanish train manufacturer Talgo for two 14-car passenger "train sets" to be built in Wisconsin. The trains would replace aging trains now running between Milwaukee and Chicago.
The deal provides for two additional train sets if the state secures federal stimulus funding to extend passenger rail service from Milwaukee to Madison.
A 2008 report prepared for the state Department of Transportation estimated that 188,000 passengers a year would take the trip between the two cities by 2020. An additional 155,000 passengers would take the trip between Madison and Chicago. Total ridership on all or portions of the new route is estimated to be 900,000 passengers a year by 2020.
If approved, the 85-mile line stretching from the downtown Milwaukee Amtrak station to Dane County Regional Airport would be one of the largest projects in Wisconsin funded under the $787 billion federal stimulus plan. Department of Transportation officials say the state hopes to get between $500 million and $600 million in stimulus money for the project, which would include improvements to existing service between Milwaukee and Chicago.
The stimulus funds would revive passenger rail service to the capital city for the first time in four decades and would become part of the Midwest Regional Rail Initiative, a 3,000-mile web of routes envisioned between major cities including Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, St. Louis and the Twin Cities.
But an investigation by the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism and UW-Madison journalism students found the state might not be quite ready for rail:
-- Wisconsin officials don’t know how many people currently commute along the route between Milwaukee and Madison. State transportation spokesman Christopher Klein countered that record ridership in Wisconsin on Amtrak, the nation’s passenger rail service, shows the state is ready for more. “Wisconsin doesn’t need to prove we want to ride trains,” Klein said. “We already have.”
-- Officials in four cities where stops are planned—Brookfield, Madison, Oconomowoc and Watertown—are enthusiastic supporters but remain unaware of many of the details. Klein said Wisconsin is ahead of most states in planning but cited a federal report that acknowledged some details aren’t worked out because “states have had little time to prepare for a ... program for intercity passenger rail of this magnitude.”
-- Critics question the viability of the planned stop at the Madison airport, which is nearly 6 miles from the city’s major downtown destinations. Klein said bringing the train downtown would add at least half an hour to the trip, which would be “extremely undesirable” for passengers not stopping in Madison.
-- Other benefits of the project have been thrown into doubt by a recent U.S. Government Accountability Office report that concluded rail projects would have “little impact on the congestion, environmental, energy and other issues that face the U.S. transportation system.”
-- The description “high-speed” is a misnomer. State transportation officials say the train likely would average about 70 mph the first few years. The train is expected to travel up to 110 mph by 2015 once the state completes additional safety improvements.
Wisconsin Transportation Secretary Frank Busalacchi said officials across the country are scrambling to complete plans to take advantage of soon-to-be-released $8 billion for rail. “Nobody was ready for it ... None of us (state transportation secretaries) knew it was going to happen,” he said.
Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan budget watchdog based in Washington, D.C., cautioned against projects that aren’t fully planned.
“Some economists argue that it doesn’t matter much how the stimulus money is spent, just that it is spent,” the group said in a March column on stimulus transportation projects. “We beg to differ. This is an enormous investment and debt we are undertaking. We need assurance the money is spent wisely and appropriately.”
Busalacchi said the Madison-to-Milwaukee line would help the state’s economy, according to a 2006 study. It estimated that a fully operational Midwestern high-speed rail system would spur 9,570 added jobs in Wisconsin, meaning jobs would be saved or added because of improved transit and service sector jobs would be created in the communities with stops. In addition, 3,000 construction jobs would be created over a 10-year period.
Those estimates might overstate the actual number of jobs that would be created, according to Eric Sundquist, senior associate at the Center On Wisconsin Strategy, a liberal-leaning policy center. The problem, Sundquist said, is that estimates are based on an entire Midwest train system, not just the new Wisconsin segment.
Busalacchi, acknowledging the uncertainty of the project’s ability to restart the Wisconsin economy, said, “Is it worth it? I mean, I don’t have a crystal ball.”
Some involved in local planning for the high-speed rail line doubt Wisconsinites would park their cars to ride the train.
“The business community thinks … that because it’s a train, people will use it,” said Eileen Bruskewitz, a Dane County supervisor and member of the Madison Area Transportation Planning Board. “I just don’t buy that. Do we really need to spend billions of dollars to build a train line when everything points to using rubber tires to get from point A to point B?”
University of Wisconsin-Madison journalism students Doug Shore, Royston Sim and Amanda Hoffstrom, and Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism reporter Dee J. Hall contributed to this report.
The nonprofit Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism (www.WisconsinWatch.org) collaborates with its partners—Wisconsin Public Radio, Wisconsin Public Television and the UW-Madison School of Journalism & Mass Communication—and other news media.

Jul 27, 2009 at 1:51 p.m.
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Where will Diamond Jim get the money? Why, from the Transportation Budget, of course. (For that kind of money, he'll re raiding other departments). Watch.
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Oh, and taxes will go through the roof.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 12:59 p.m.
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this is a very well written article in that it gives the pro and con of the argument.
for me -- it's con.
janesvillean mentions $44 as the current amtrak fare.
will wisconsinites pay upwards to $44 to ride from Milwaukee to madison?
hmmmmmmm -- good question.
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once built, state and federal taxes will subsidize this project.
ridership will determine the amount -- so if no on rides it, we will be taxed accordingly to pay for the few who do ride it.
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according to a may 1 2009, channel3000.com report, the state Legislature's budget committee approved a plan to use a mixture of higher sales taxes and car rental fees to pay for high-speed rail and other transit projects.
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Up to $16 could be charged on car rentals in Milwaukee, Racine and Kenosha counties to pay for a commuter rail line connecting the three southeastern Wisconsin cities.
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A newly-created board could also levy $50 million in bonds to help pay for the rail line, which has been discussed for years but always stalled over how it would be paid for.
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In Dane County, a half-cent sales tax could be imposed to pay for commuter rail and other transit projects.
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the stimulus package might pay for construction of this rail system. Stimulus money WILL NOT PAY TO MAINTAIN IT. YOU AND I WILL!
Jul 27, 2009 at 12:35 p.m.
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This is great news. Nothing can do more for our economy, especially with Milwaukee linked to that big city, Chicago.
Jul 27, 2009 at 11:54 a.m.
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Let's take this one bit at a time. The Milwaukee-Chicago Amtrak trains need replacement ANYWAY. Doyle made the visionary choice of replacing them with trainsets that can be used for high-speed rail if the route is upgraded or replaced. The Talgo deal could also make Wisconsin (perhaps Janesville) a hub of trainset manufacturing for the entire United States.
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The trainsets will be used on that existing Amtrak line. The trainsets were not purchased for the unbuilt Milwaukee-Madison line. That would be a grade-separated line if built for high-speed rail, but they will probably start by leasing existing freight lines and limiting speed. In any case, those trainsets would be purchased in the future.
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ja67, you can find fares right now on the Amtrak site, because this is an existing rail line. It's $44 round trip. Ridership is strong; this is exactly within the distance range where rail excels. High-speed rail (perhaps 100mph on that line, with upgrades) would do even better, if the experience of other countries has any value whatsoever.
Jul 27, 2009 at 11:03 a.m.
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Another hairbrained idea from Mister Money Bags Doyle. All you posters need to sign up with recalldoyle.com they are working to get him out of office. Lets just pray he doesn't run next year and hope people who want Wisconsin to be a better place to live, don't vote for him!
Jul 27, 2009 at 10:44 a.m.
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i know what they will be shoveling, fertilizer.
Jul 27, 2009 at 9:12 a.m.
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Doyle gets a cool little train set to play with and sticks us with a 47 million plus money pit to deal with. noname53545 hit it on the nose...there is so MUCH work to be done to make this work and it's going to cost MUCH. The wisconsin tax payer is going to be the guinea pig because of this hair-brained idea.
Jul 26, 2009 at 10:09 p.m.
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There's no plan here, just dreams and wishes. Doyle is out of his gourd buying a train set with our money and with no rails or rail plan in place, nor any clue as to who would actually use it, nor whether there is anything at all even feasible about it in the first place.
Oddly (unfortunately?), he and Obama seem to fit right in together -- gambling unimaginable gobs of taxpayer money with no indication of a real payout (except for the corporate crooks!). Hope and dreams (and diesel fumes?), but no reality mixed in!
Jul 26, 2009 at 8:52 p.m.
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According to the Wisconsin State Journal, editoral, nobody including the President, and Gov. Doyle knows how this stimulus money is to be really used for, or where is it coming from. Quote: Where will the added money come from? The GAO warned that question poses a challenge that remains without a solution. We need answers before we use the money if we even get it.
What is the cost of ridership on this train? Will it be like the airline fares? Will it really be a high speed train? All these questions and no answers.
Jul 26, 2009 at 8:37 p.m.
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Sounds like a good idea, but if it doesn't travel any faster than the interstate (initially), I'm not sure it'll be as big a draw as some hope. I wonder if the rail would be above roadways or if cars would have to stop for the train. Hows about a train from Madison to Minneapolis? That I might ride.
Jul 26, 2009 at 7:55 p.m.
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Projections of ridership is tentative. Cost minus stimulus money is tentative. Conservatively according to these figures the cost for a person to ride this train is in the neighborhood of $300 to $500 each. Another attempt for Doyle to improve his legacy....
Jul 26, 2009 at 7:53 p.m.
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yep because it's a train we will use it............right
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