Smart move, Latinmami2.

ya i think i am staying out of this racist/concerned citizens debate never goes good. good luck everyone

i agree about the no bi-lingual classes in school because what is taught in the home is different then what is taught in school and for myself my children will learn to be bi-lingual in my house only.

We need to adopt some of these rules soon:
1. No special bilingual programs in schools
2.All ballots in the nations language
3.All govenment business to be conducted in our
language.
4. Non citizens will not have the right to vote, ever.
5.Non citizens will not have the right to hold public office.
6.Foreigners will not burden the taxpayers. No welfare
no health care, no govt assist.,any burden will be deported.
7.
Foreigners can invest in this country an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily min wage.
8.Foreign land purchases will have restictions.
Paecels of waterfront property are for citizens only.
9.Foreigners cannot protest, hold demonstrations, wave foreign flags or bad mouth the policies of the president. These will lead to deportation.
10.If you come into this country illegally you will be hunted down and sent to jail until deprotation can be arranged.
Too strict? Sounds Good to Me.
The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO. Wake up America, we are losing our country.

Everyone is so upset that "they" are taking "our" jobs... WHY? How many of the jobs that "They" have, would "we" be willing to do? I mean seriously... and what would closing an account at a bank mean? Nothing.. if anything it will increase their business b/c they are willing to help.

This isn't about fear; it's about common sense. I want the best possible future living standards for each successive generation of Americans. Adding to the population at the current rate infringes on their ability to have that pleasant future. Immigration doesn't have to end altogether (as I've said on here MULTIPLE times), it just has to start following the rules and following actual need, and not the ginned-up needs of companies just wanting to pay half-price for H1-B labor, and less than half price for the rest of the imported labor. And illegal immigration has to be stopped, period. Then we'll really know what the issues are, once the borders/ports are secure. As of now, we have to do too much guesstimating. Make the borders/ports secure, then we'll count heads and take accounts. My guess is at that point we'll say, "Whoa!"

Iceman, increasing population is inevitable. Your argument is turning from rants on legality issues to ending immigration all together?

We are in the lower 25% in terms of population density compared to the rest of the countries of the world!! Our current population growth rates are still in the bottom 30%. Get your fears in check bud, and quit trying to infect others with them.

The US Census Bureaus’ mid-range population estimate for year 2100 is around 571 million, within an overall range of 280 million – 1.8 billion. India’s current population is 1.1 billion—when our population reaches that number, we will have about the same population density of present-day France. Population growth/decay rates do not remain constant—and future immigration trends are nearly impossible to predict.

Yeh Ling-Ling writes in the Harvard Law Record: "The U.S. population has quadrupled since 1900. If our population growth continues at the rate of the last 10 years, even without immigrant amnesty, we will approach India's current population within the lifetimes of our grandchildren."

EVEN WITHOUT AMNESTY WE'LL HAVE INDIA'S POPULATION?? UGH! End of population argument right there. Period. Anyone know any good Antarctic realtors?

As hard as I try, humoring your claims become quite difficult when you try supporting your argument with rants that support a greater racist paranoia rather than obedience of written law. Using ethnic minorities, immigrants, etc. as a scapegoat for our economic strains isn’t a new idea—seems to crop up in a large way every couple generations. Hitler did it; did it well.

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Third-world migrant workers come seeking third-world jobs, regardless of how they chose to move here (or their “Legal Status”). Those Americans so threatened by losing unskilled work should start being a bit more grateful they live in the “Land of Opportunity”. Educational opportunities are abundant, and they have the freedom to find better work if they so choose. Also, if we are so fearful our grandchildren will have too much competition in future labor markets, we should be putting greater investment into education; or at least set the bar a bit higher for our children/grandchildren then for them to obtain unskilled work. Simply “eliminating” the competitor is a pretty lazy and heartless idea at best. Maybe we could even show interest in competing with some of the developed countries in terms of jobs/labor… Get a new competitor and start moving forward.

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Changing legal status of the current “illegal” population will create devastating overpopulation!? Compared to Antarctica? Now our fear is the invasion of our 100 mile comfort bubble. If overpopulation is your true concern, promote birth control and adoption. Start with our “native” white population. I have many white Devout Catholic cousins who seem to squirt out a kid every 9 months like clockwork. Better yet, go to a country where overpopulation is actually a REAL problem. Your service would be appreciated.

Many try to be cute about this and play it off like it is not an issue of race and you are in no way xenophobic. I’ll play along; I’ll humor you for a bit. I’ll go ahead and believe you’re just concerned citizens with utmost respect for the law. If this would truly be the case, there would be little issue here; and your fear, paranoia, and rage (or as Iceman put it, “disgust”) is simply a bit misplaced. You are disgusted at the lack of enforcement and under policing regarding our beloved laws. Your “disgust” could easily be applied to laws based on relative importance and prevalence. For example, drunk driving, speeding, and vehicular homicide—more people die in our country as a result of “Illegal Drinking” and “Illegal Driving” (and a combination of the two) than “Illegal Immigration”. I personally know dozens of people who’ve been personally affected by drinking and driving—resulting in OWI’s, extensive property damage, severe injuries, and multiple deaths. Almost all of these in the Janesville area; none of those involved had questionable immigration status. I guess luckily enough for my white “native” friends and family, none of them are given the cute labels of “Illegal Drinkers/Drivers”. Our labels of inferiority are strictly designated for those you’d deem a sub species based on birthplace, religion, ancestral origin, race, etc. Ie: “Illegal Immigrants/Aliens”, even “terrorists”, etc.

Babaloo, once again, it’s difficult to make such direct comparisons to such a different era. Even if the sheer numbers of European immigrants in previous waves were relatively comparable to the numbers of Mexican, Central & S. American immigrants today; the language issue is definitely not comparable. The immigrant makeup in the 19th and early 20th centuries was a bit more diverse in terms of their native languages. Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, Italians, Dutch, Danes, etc. all spoke their own respective languages. The concentrations of immigrant groups in the US of any one native language set not nearly the same as today—it would not have been practical if even possible to accommodate to each and every group. Today we have a largest groups of immigrants speak a common language whether they’re from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Colombia, etc. It’s much easier to make to help a large group of immigrants’ transition to US citizenship easier—which is obviously important in a very impatient and culturally intolerant society of “natives”.

You’re also making a couple common and ignorant assumptions. “Why should the Spanish speaking population expect us to use our tax dollars to print everything in their language while they are here illegally?” The assumptions that native Spanish speakers are “illegal” and don’t deserve to be here. Simple example—Puerto Rico is still one of our QuasiColonies. Their native language is Spanish, though we ensure they learn English at a very young age. Although they can speak English, they have little reason to unless speaking to a native English speaker. Being who we are, we have little if any knowledge of their existence. Also, hearing someone speaking Spanish does not mean they cannot speak English—not everyone in the world takes as much pride in knowing only one language as we do. I’m also not sure how you are so convinced that our immigrant population isn’t learning, isn’t trying. Are you tracking the progress of each individual in their language skills? Again, this isn’t an overnight process. None of my Norwegian and German ancestors learned overnight—and again, it took a couple generations to phase their native languages out completely—which is insanely our ancestral languages all had to disappear at all. (Seems pretty counter-productive in the long run; being much more expensive and difficult to pick up a foreign language later in life…also a bit ironic in a nation with half its population obsessed with their taxpennies, and outraged when they go toward education).

Hill Republican: Stimulus aids illegal immigrants

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS – 4 days ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A top Republican congressional aide says the $800 billion-plus economic stimulus measure could steer government checks to illegal immigrants.

Republican officials are concerned that the Democratic-written legislation makes people who came to the United States illegally eligible for tax credits of $500 per worker and $1,000 per couple.

A House-passed version of the bill and one making its way through the Senate both disqualify nonresident aliens from receiving the credits. But neither requires a worker to have a Social Security number to get the credits.

An economic aid measure enacted in February 2008 that sent rebates to most wage earners required that people have valid Social Security numbers in order to get checks.

ICE, what you're neglecting to see is that this is not a recent problem. It all started when Mexicans were allowed to come to the southwest to work on the railroad and agricultural businesses on temporary work over a hundred years ago. It was US, the United States that started to abuse and use cheap Mexican work labor to further American business. It was the US that started it, by inviting them here to do the work that Americans were too good for. Then, all of a sudden, when jobs became scarse, Americans started having a problem with it. How are you going to change the course of history when it already happened? We opened the door to it such a long time ago. Are you telling me that people who got laid off at GM are going to start bussing tables at OCB (Old Country Buffet)? I don't think so.

Janesvillehopeful: That is the point-the German speaking population assimilated into this country. They didn't expect the Feds to print everything in their language until they decided to pick up a few words here and there. We aren't printing everything in Hmong, Chinese, or other foreign languages. Why should the Spanish speaking population expect us to use our tax dollars to print everything in their language while they are here illegally? If they wanted to learn something bad enough they will find ways to learn. Right now why should they learn when we just cater and give them everything in their own language??

I find it funny that having illegals used to be just a Southern problem. Now that they have made their way up North, everyone wants Washington to take care of the problem. Yet, you won't have a problem when housing and repair services are cheaper because of them. It will happen too. I am surprised the various construction companies up there are not taking advantage of the cheaper wages.

Angst and anger? Not really...more like "disgust." Disgust that the mainstream media is in the pocket of the open-borders crowd. Disgust that the ACLU, formerly the American Civil Liberties Union, now might as well be called the "ALIEN Civil Liberties Union," since they constantly file lawsuits to protect illegal aliens and illegal employers. Disgust that the very nice push on workplace raids the last few years will now probably be suspended by Napolitano and Obama, because the ethnocentric interest groups have convinced Obama that he won due only to their support. Disgust that too many Americans don't mind that their kids and grandkids will enter a downgraded labor market due to illegals and their employers dropping the bottom out of the labor market. Disgust that too many Americans don't realize the overpopulation ramifications of suddenly "legalizing" 15 to 20 million scammers, thus allowing them to start sponsoring even MORE relatives from points distant to come here, as well...absolutely BALLOONING out of control the federal budget (which is already messed up enough) and all other social systems. Disgust that the facts of this debate always end up being dismissed by charges of racism, when debaters like me have never been racists in our lives. Disgust that so many Americans who want to cite the Statue of Liberty forget that justice is the underpinning of freedom and liberty, and justice cannot exist where a government selectively enforces laws and becomes a government of "men," and no longer a government of "laws."

Racism has to do with who people are, not with what they have done. Illegals have done something wrong and need to be accountable for it, no matter what color they are. We don't need a police state; we just need to enforce current laws and add mandatory E-Verify for all businesses. If all employers used E-Verify, all illegals would be forced "off the books." Then you simply increase business tax audits and enforcement of OSHA and other workplace regulators, and next thing you know, it's really hard to keep your illegals employed illegally in your business. You also give a whistleblower incentive for workers to turn in their employers for keeping illegals off the books, such as two years current pay and benefits once the case results in an indictment. The massive flow of illegals out of the country would be so immediate and pervasive, I'm sure some foreign governments would complain how fast their people are coming back (like the Mexican government did last year after Arizona cracked down on employers and illegals scrambled back to Mexico too fast for Mexico's taste!). When more Americans everyday are becoming "poor" and "huddled," it's time to make sure Americans get first crack at all employment and all benefits of the recovery. If we don't push hard now, while the DHS has workplaces thinking twice about illegal hiring, and illegals are crossing into the U.S. less than in the past, we'll blow a good chance at really turning the tide on this problem. Our kids and grandkids expect us to take care of the labor market that they will enter 5, 10, and 20 years from now...we would be abdicating our responsibility to them if we keep letting illegals and their unethical employers flourish in this country.

Iceman-some like you with so much angst and anger needs help. Why don't you just go door to door and drag them into the ICE office? You must work there right? Why don't you take your guns too, scare the kids, er a mean anchor babies, a little. You are the most ignorant person who has ever posted on here....well, no, not ignorant because you seem to know your facts.....lets just say....rude--to keep it clean.

ICEManCometh--Illegal Aliens is what is on federal documents. Not exactly the nicest way of referring to a group of people. Undocumented is the respecful way.....but go ahead and call them illegals. I don't really care what you do, just stating what is decent.

It's also extremely ignorant to speak of things that you are uneducated about. If you are still calling them "illegals" then you have no right to speak about it. -roseboo10
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If they are in the United States ILLEGALLY what do you suggest we call them. Mexican Americans? Guatemalan Americans? Cuban Americans? Latin Americans? Last I knew you had to be an American before you could be called an American.

UMM if you read what I wrote I said call them: UNDOCUMENTED. I never said call them Americans. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Ignorance...

Babaloo1 – once again, comparisons back to European ancestors really hold little weight in such a conversation. Most of “our” ancestors were not fluent in English when they arrived; many could not speak it at all. Many learned, obviously, but not over night. It took a couple generations for us to erase our heritage and “assimilate” to our current monolingual status—good god, give them some time.

“Pressing 1 for English”—a traumatic experience. I think many of you have much deeper problems than your ethnic anxieties if you’re becoming so distraught by acknowledging the existence of other languages. If the actual physical action of pressing the extra number is too strenuous, maybe you shouldn’t be operating a phone in the first place—consult your physician.

No you didn't. You quoted a US Congressperson. Oh well then it must be true. Don't feed me garbage and expect me to eat it. Again, why not FBI statistics? Its your claim. Yet, your facts are flimsy. You will never stop immigration documented or otherwise because all of these people are more poor and desperate than you are. You said taxes weren't an issue and then complained that they are a drain on our system. They have fake documentation because they are poor and cannot afford the travel and time to get the proper documentation. And herein lies the dilemma. Every point of your argument has only one side: They are criminals. a drain on our society. You have never once tried to see it from their point of view, the point of view of LIberty and freedom or the Constitution. If you made all immigration legal that would end the problem of depressed wages because there would be no incentive for employers to treat them poorly or cheat them. You can't stop it without turning our democracy into a military state, however you have deluded yourself into thinking you can.

We differ fundamentally on this. I believe that Liberty and Freedom stand for something more than paranoid fear. I believe that our borders should be porous. If you can get here you are in. Will some criminals get in? Of course, just as some criminals wear badges and some criminals get acquitted. But that is what liberty is. You go to New York and spit on the Statue of Liberty and see what happens.

You know some minorities and that means you're not a bigot. Yes, and every Pole knew a Jew until they were all gone. You're a bigot because you attack the poor and desperate and you notice them and complain about them because of their skin color.

Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY
Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials.
The major findings in a report by the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center, which has not been publicly released, conclude gangs are the "primary retail-level distributors of most illicit drugs" and several are "capable" of competing with major U.S.-based Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

And, as for calling me a bigot, I'll just have to refer you to my many Black, Asian, Hispanic, and Native American coworkers and close friends from over the years who would all be more than happy to vouch for whether I have any bigot in me at all. I believe you'll find the answer a resounding "NO" after speaking with them. Funny as this may sound to you in your black-and-white view of the world, they, too, want the laws of the land enforced, and not sacrificed for expediency. As for your weak point about why illegals aren't all in prison, well, that's pretty poor logic. In point of fact, the illegals that are busted for other crimes do go to jail and prison, and when done with their sentences for those crimes, are often remanded over to the feds for another detention leading to deportation. In the case of workplace raids, which are finally having a nice effect on employers nationwide, busted illegals go to detention centers and are processed and either jailed for identity theft or deported, or both. Multiple crossers of the border who keep getting sent back, only to re-cross again, eventually reach that one crossing where the authorities decide "enough is enough," and they are then jailed, as well. Along some stretches of the southern U.S. border, you'd have to get nabbed over 10 times before you'll finally be formally charged with illegal crossing. That needs to be a formal charge EACH AND EVERY TIME, with progressively harsher jail and prison stretches each time. So, you see, they do go to jail because what they are doing is illegal. Now, we just need local, county, and state police forces to get 287(g) training and grants so they can pick them up for nothing more than being here illegally, detain them, and watch the feds fast-track them OUTTA HERE!

Sorry for your misunderstandings of facts. WorldNet is not something I'd make a normal news source, but if you'll check a little closer, you'll see they were only citing statistics from a SITTING U.S. REPRESENTATIVE in CONGRESS! As for immigration levels, all I've ever advocated is LOWER levels of LEGAL immigration and ELIMINATION of ILLEGAL immigration. Not an end to immigration altogether! Are you kidding me? An end to illegal immigration and an end to all of the fraudulent misuse of the legal immigration system would fix our problem of unemployment and underemployment of U.S. citizens. Plenty of foreigners would still be here and would be welcome. And plenty more would still be coming and would also be welcomed. But companies would be accountable for doing what the banks in the AP article appear to be doing. Companies would be liable for misrepresentations like those of Bill Gates, who keeps calling for unlimited H1-B visas. And Homeland Security would really take care of the ports and borders, without being subverted by Washington bureaucrats and ethnocentric interest groups.

Yes, because freedom and liberty are garbage. Your just a bigot trying to use the law to propagate his xenophobia. You cited crimes statistics from the WordNetPileofBS. When I asked for reliable statistics you provided none. You're the one who needs to cut the garbage. In a free country we don't who-- out lady liberty because we're scared little chickens. I already answered your DRAIN" issue but you balked at that now it is an issue again.

Liberty is allowing people to do the things you disapprove of including immigrating to the land of opportunity.

If the world was finite then commodity prices would continue to rise and rise steadily. They don't. This is because of what are called substitutes. So, once again your making excuses to hate a group of people.

By the way to the ILLEGAL people. Again if its ILLEGAL then why aren't they sent to prison. Its ILLEGAL to speed too but I don't see anyone not doing that.

The story concludes:

"During the last three months of 2008, the largest banks that received taxpayer loans announced more than 100,000 layoffs. The number of foreign workers included among those laid off is unknown.

Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to pay them less than American workers."

For those who don't have a problem with "LEGAL" immigration because you think it's all on the up-and-up...this just hit the AP wire:

"AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers

By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH
Associated Press Writers

SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) -- Banks collecting billions of dollars in federal bailout money sought government permission to bring thousands of foreign workers to the U.S. for high-paying jobs, according to an Associated Press review of visa applications.

The dozen banks receiving the biggest rescue packages, totaling more than $150 billion, requested visas for more than 21,800 foreign workers over the past six years for positions that included senior vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and human resources specialists. The average annual salary for those jobs was $90,721, nearly twice the median income for all American households.

The figures are significant because they show that the bailed-out banks, being kept afloat with U.S. taxpayer money, actively sought to hire foreign workers instead of American workers. As the economic collapse worsened last year - with huge numbers of bank employees laid off - the numbers of visas sought by the dozen banks in AP's analysis increased by nearly one-third, from 3,258 in fiscal 2007 to 4,163 in fiscal 2008."

wwr1961- I hate to go beeferer on you, but it's "ILLEGAL", I-L-L-E-G-A-L !!! I understand that spelling shouldn't count in these blogs, but c'mon. You use the term "ILLEGAL" in many of your comments and you somehow manage to spell it differently every single time. I enjoy reading your comments because you seem very smart. It's obvious that you carry some sort of degree in political science and advanced math(as you demonstrated in your previous comments). How you added those zeros and figured out where the decimal point goes was pure genius. But please, for me, stick a post-it on your monitor that says "ILLEGAL" because I just can't take it anymore.

And skip the "poor, huddled masses" garbage. That was for a land of plenty that didn't even realize how rich it was yet, and had no idea that finite resources would eventually force a reexamination of that mindset. And, those poor, huddled masses were all expected to come here and be a "NET GAIN" for the society at large...not a "NET DRAIN," like the current crop of poor huddled illegal masses are!

Nazi Germany targeted a specific ethnic group with their policies; our immigration laws apply to all races and ethnicities. Anyone who wants to enforce the law is a Nazi? Yah, right.

I know someone who works for a business that employs a large workforce of Mexicans. The Employer has a rough time knowing who is legal and who isn't. Some of the men come back year after year and so they know they are legally documented. Other times they will see the same documentation from 3 different people on the same day. I believe even if you are here legally you should learn the customs of the country you are visiting. I don't want to push 1 for English. I don't want to see billboards and store signage in Spanish and I avoid those that do. I don't feel its our responsibility to have to print the driver testing books/tests in 2 languages-the road signs are in English. They are not helping anybody learn the language of this country. My ancestor's came from Germany and the last time I checked we all speak fluent English.

Here is the problem with what you are saying. First, no amount of laws or ranting is going to stop immigration. China built a wall that can be seen from space to stop immigration: It didn't work.

Second, there are no official crime statistics that support any of what you are saying except for the documentation part. This is the same kind of conjured crime placed on Jews in Germany. You see Jews were seen to be immigrants, their loyalty questioned, so they had to carry papers. If you didn't have papers you were a criminal.

Third, if they are illegal immigrants then why aren't they tried in court and sent to prison. It seems to me that the fact is that they are detained and then deported because they can immigrate they just haven't followed the proper red tape. So, in effect your making often times illiterate people criminals because they haven't traveled to their nearest American consulate to fill out a form they can't read.

So, in conclusion you support policies that mimic the policies of Nazi Germany.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

And the criminal end of this is not about saying they're all criminals...how did you infer that as my intent? I'm simply saying that when even one illegal commits any crime that harms a person who is here legally, that illegal never should have been there and that crime never should have victimized that legal resident or citizen. By extension, when you look at the massive numbers of illegal alien crime upon each other and upon U.S. citizens, it's obvious it's just another tax on our police, sheriff's departments, state patrols, district attorneys, public defenders, court translators, judges, juries, jailers, support staff, prison guards, and anyone else who has to deal with this wave of crime which shouldn't even be within these borders to begin with. Period.

Taxes aren't the issue...I've never been one to use that argument, because working illegals are generally paying some taxes. But working and paying taxes DON'T MATTER; THESE PEOPLE ARE ILLEGALLY HERE AND ILLEGALLY TAXING THE SYSTEM MORE THAN THE SYSTEM IS TAXING THEM!

I am sure there is also a correlation between mental illness and criminal behavior as well as socioeconomic status. For example, all the Republicans I know are either drug addicts, homosexuals or delusion-ally paranoid. However, that does not mean I treat every Republican like they are: I treat them as the individual each one is. That's what Liberty means or have you forgotten? "The man who would sacrifice his freedom for security deserves neither."

IMMIGRANTS PAY SALES AND PROPERTY TAXES(renters) , so if you want to solve the issue then maybe we should dump income taxes altogether for gas, sales and property taxes.

And we don't need a replacement population for babyboomers. Yes, means testing for Social Security benefits is a way of reducing federal payouts for those whose good fortune and hard work in this country have put them well above the baseline level of existence here. They should be happy to know that Social Security would have been happy to help them if tragedy had befallen them, but fortunately for them, they've reached their golden years relatively unscathed and should thank the heavens for that and let their SS money go to those who are truly needy. I know this runs contrary to the fiber of the "more-me-now" generation of boomers, but too bad. If you're sitting pretty, bully for you. Too many are not, and the SSA is there for them. You solved your own puzzle with the tractor analogy. Massive increases in efficiency ensure that we will not need such a replacement population for the boomers; in addition, many of them will work later than ever due to the last few years of major economic uncertainty, anyway.

And more still on illegal alien crime: "King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.
As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.
According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.
While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"

Continuing the crime stuff on illegal aliens: "But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.
While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.
Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers."

Some crime statistics on illegal aliens:

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan
November 28, 2006
By Joseph Farah
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com
While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

Speaking as a long time resident of Walworth County I am predicting that the problem of local business hiring federal criminals will just increase until something is done by regular citizens as our state and local governments will simply pass things off as a Federal problem not the states. However the impact is state and most importantly local. I have seen the lines of peoples in the banks and post offices every Friday buying their money orders to 'send home' and the local factories of Darien seemingly hiring although you will never see a help wanted ad. New parking lots have been built for all the 'new' jobs and now more building for an addition? Delaven schools have failed the 'no child left behind' act and at one point it was estimated that almost 40% of the schools children needed assistance not only speaking english but with all other aspects of going to school. But the worst had to be the mass murder of women and children by a known 'Federal criminal' who had been in trouble with the local law inforcement several times before.--I say this to those who just love to throw the race card at others that do not agree - pay for their presence yourself! Also to the 'our family were hated immigrants at one time too' folks, it does not apply to todays times and problems. This country has some very serious issues and we just plain can't afford those who come here and stay illegally plus most do NOT seem to be able to support themselves and their children. We have been to many other states where it's been so refreshing to see what life used to be like in this area rather than the boarder town situation that it's become. What's our solution? After 50 years + living here we are planning to leave as we don't believe the situation will change and we are very concerned for our safety plus the very real threat of identity theft. And, just one more thing, what if very real terriorists wanted to use Mexican nationals to poison our food supplies in the fields, factories& restaurants? Could they be stopped? In time? Hopefully we will never have to find out.

12 million illegel immigrants, 1 doctor visit apiece at a conservative 100 dollars each = 1.2 billion to the U.S. taxpayers healthcare bills. My premiums went up 10 percent. Maybe a Doctor can comment on how much these illegal / undocumented people have impacted their costs and really who is paying their bills?

Iceman, while I understand your sense of outrage it seems to me to be a bit misplaced. First, could you point me to some actual crime statistics, because most of your serial killers and rapist seem to me to be white guys. Its "Going Postal", not "Going Mexican". Second, immigrants are necessary to our economy because the baby boomers will soon be selling their homes and stocks for retirement. We don't have a replacement population for them. They are going to collect social security and we don't have enough people replacing them. So, unless your going to means test social security, how are you going to solve this problem?

So, you can rant all you want it isn't going to change that reality. What your really complaining about is the fact that wages for labor have dropped out. Well, I find it interesting because the very first product built at the GM factory was a tractor. A device that replaced thousands of paid laborers.

The only thing that will help people is a good education in one of the basic sciences or a language. We need to look at improving the quality of education and access to it in this country.

Tech the Irish in the beginning were the first slaves and didnt get paid then the blacks were abused next If you want to get to the beginning of it all. The Irish (Which I am) became drunks and fighters so the the slave trade had to find a new humans to abuse as the Irish refused to sober up (lol) and do the free work.....Just my concept as was told over generations in the family.

Marymac brings up a great point. Mexico's SECOND LEADING SOURCE OF INCOME AFTER OIL IS...MONEY BEING SENT BACK FROM THEIR CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE IN THE U.S.!! If your country is that dependent on illegals (and legals) in another country to send cash home, you need to fail as a country and start over with better rules and less corruption. I wish illegals coming here would put half as much activism to work in their own countries of origin as they do to come here.

LOOK at the pictures in the CRT article and see who is working! showed 3 and 2 were??????????????

Go to www.numbersusa.com for information and actions you can take to reduce fraud in legal immigration programs and to help eliminate illegal immigration. Their Action Center makes it so easy to send faxes and emails to your representatives in Congress and your President to let them know what you think of how the U.S. coddles illegal aliens and allows fraud to dictate legal immigration policy. For more on the carnage that illegals are racking up around the country as they commit countless crimes, go to www.outragedpatriots.com. You'll see there that your little Consulate visit in Janesville has made the news worldwide. Plenty of good commentary (and some not so good), and also some great links to other ways to help. Some links go too far with the racial end of things, so I don't think everything there is worthwhile. But checking the site every few days reminds me that over 20 Americans are killed / assaulted / raped / sexually assaulted by ILLEGAL ALIENS EVERY DAY!! That's a number I like to think of every time someone says, "They're just trying to provide for their families," and, "They're not hurting anybody." Yah, right.

Yes most work for cash at less wage but after WE are taxed they end up making more then the tax payer and with the cash pay they end up with foodstamps and other free rides as there is no proof they are working and can say they have no money then again we the tax payers give them a free ride. Yes they are humans and should be treated as such but pay taxes like the rest of us and quit sending the money back to their families in Mexico as many many of them do. I work with 3 that send more then half their checks back "HOME" to help their mamma.They earn the money here why not spend it here. We wonder why food banks and finacial resources are so low well look at the whole picture. As to jobs out of our country yes GM had frame plant in Mexico and other parts plants to and we are now the ones losing because of doing this and we still have to give to those who dont support our country.And it isnt just Mexico where do you buy gas and how many local gas stations are American owned? do they pay taxes? By the way I have a question as to something away from this article HOW MUCH of A BONUS DID JOVAN BEA GIVE HIMSELF I HEARD THRU A RELIABLE SOURCE IT WAS SUBSTANCIAL DOES ANYONE Know? If so please share!!!!!

OK, really one more thing... the article in the paper today: "Janesville’s unemployment rate was the highest in the state last month, and that probably doesn’t include all the GM workers laid off in December. Janesville’s unadjusted unemployment rate was 8.1 percent in December, up from 7.4 percent in November, the state reported Thursday." ........Really says it all, I think, with regard to this country continuing to allow ILLEGAL and LEGAL immigration to continue to skyrocket! You can't have LEGALS AND ILLEGALS from other countries DROPPING THE BOTTOM out of the wage/benefit scale for all workers, and then at the same time have all the WALL STREET ELITISTS/CORPORATE POWERBROKERS/CORRUPT GOVERNMENT CRONIES taking the top end of the salary/benefit scale to the MOON, and expect to survive as a republic. We are now officially an oligarchy.

It's also extremely ignorant to speak of things that you are uneducated about. If you are still calling them "illegals" then you have no right to speak about it. -roseboo10
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If they are in the United States ILLEGALLY what do you suggest we call them. Mexican Americans? Guatemalan Americans? Cuban Americans? Latin Americans? Last I knew you had to be an American before you could be called an American.
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Rather than complain, did we every think of making Mexico a better place to live? I see President Obama already has the right idea. - theguyonthecouch
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What responsibility is it of ours to make an entirely different country a better place. We can barely keep tabs on our own country. I don't think isolationism is the answer either but a line has to be drawn as to how much we assist other countries.

One last thing before I head out for a few hours...don't any of you believe that LEGAL immigration is some foolproof setup, either. Massive amounts of Visa fraud, corporate fraud, identity fraud, and application fraud currently plague that system. Examples: An African refugee visa program that the feds eventually admitted probably contained over 80% applicants who couldn't really verify that they EVEN BELONGED TO THE PERSECUTED TRIBE that was being given the visas...it was just "give 'em all visas and hope for the best." Did you know that 8 out of 10 of the corporations sponsoring the most H1-B Visas for supposed "high-tech" skilled workers ARE OUTSOURCING COMPANIES FROM INDIA!?!?!? And did you know that one of them just got busted for inflating applicants' qualifications with fake college degrees, inflated degrees, and bogus front firms where the applicants supposedly received lots of high-tech "experience?" It is suspected that they all do the same thing, but American companies like Microsoft and 3M love it because they can pay 40-60 cents on the dollar for this foreign help, and the American computer engineer or programmer ends up underemployed or unemployed. Did you know that many foreign students on F-1 student visas OVERSTAY their visas and TAKE UNAUTHORIZED EMPLOYMENT while here? So, please, make sure that if you want to argue this topic, remember we need to GET RID OF ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, and CUT WAY DOWN on LEGAL IMMIGRATION FRAUD in the 20-plus current work visa programs that we already have. We are the most generous country for LEGAL immigration (and ILLEGAL immigration, too, obviously), but even with LEGAL programs, our generosity has been ABUSED BADLY!

I haven't been to Mexico, however, considering the peril of crossing the border into a land you are unfamiliar with. Where many people will hate you, you will be "underpaid". You won't be given the rights that the other humans have that live in that country. You are unfamiliar with the laws and customs of the other humans that live there.....Mexico must be pretty lousy. Maybe I would jump the border myself, with the hopes of a better life. Understood that some take advantage of things illegally, as many native humans do, but I believe that many just try to survive.

And, an apology to Officer Sullivan, who I took to task earlier for saying it's "just an I.D." I stand by my valid points, but I realized I forgot to say a specific thank you to you, Officer, for all the hard work you currently do. Thanks for enforcing the laws you do enforce, and thanks for showing humanity with your Spanish language skills. I found that using Spanish made me too much of a "magnet" for that population, and eventually became a lead weight around my neck, so I magically "forgot" all my Spanish and it really helped my job satisfaction. Good luck to you, sir.

(608) 755-2255 is the number to call the Janesville Police Department and let them know you'd like them to apply for "287(G) GRANT and TRAINING" and training for their officers to learn immigration laws and enforce them as "deputies" for federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The feds do the training and then the city gets expedited services from the feds when they detain illegals. Again, be polite and let them know you appreciate all they already do, but that increased enforcement of immigration crimes has an exponential elimination effect on other crimes in the community, and often prompts many illegal to leave the area, knowing the feds with finally bother with them if Janesville P.D. gets ahold of them. Thanks!

Thanks to ICEMan for providing some facts. Many of the other comments are based on misinformation and outright lies, apparently in an attempt for certain elements to push their agenda.

Please be polite with the folks down at Blackhawk if you call. Remember, the ones there on Saturday probably didn't have any decisionmaking power on Blackhawk paying for this visit by the "I.D. mobile."

1 800 779 5555. That is the number to call to protest the Blackhawk Community Credit Union paying for the visit of the "I.D. mobile" from a foreign nation's consulate to support its massive illegal presence in our country, and in your hometown! Make sure to ask them if they'll be accepting the new Passports and Matricular Consular cards as I.D. for accounts and mortgages. Remember, an empty passport proves nothing about legal status, nor does the matricular consular card. Give 'em heck!

"Any child born in the U.S. receives as legal status the LOWEST status that either parent currently holds at the time of birth." ...what the NEW AND IMPROVED 14th Amendment to the Constitution should say after the Supreme Court hopefully gets a chance to revisit it this year!! So, two illegals would birth an...ILLEGAL. An illegal and a permanent resident would birth an...ILLEGAL. A permanent resident and a temporary resident would birth a...TEMPORARY RESIDENT. Etc., etc...

To the EMPLOYERS OF ROCK AND WALWORTH COUNTIES, I hope you realize that these brand spankin' new passports and matricular consular cards DON'T PROVE ANYTHING ABOUT LEGAL STATUS. Look inside the passports of your workers for entry stamps, a U.S. Visa, and/or an I-94 white card stapled in there. If you don't see any of those, THEY ARE NOT HERE LEGALLY! And, as for the matricula consular card, you'll see the Mexican government has conveniently made it primarily GREEN!! This is to trick you into thinking they have a "GREEN CARD." Remember, real "green cards" ARE NOW OFF-WHITE in color, so please do not let your illegal employees trick you. Happy hiring!!

I sure hope there are some patriots left in Janesville, WI, to go down there today and tomorrow and GIVE THEM ABSOLUTE HELL! ...of course, without breaking any ordinances or laws of any kind! Remember, we're LEGAL, and we have a right to defend WHAT IT MEANS TO BE LEGAL!

This whole deal is so wrong. I just don't understand the local companies helping out. I think I am going out to do something illegal today. I guess it must be acceptable. Of course I will be doing something illegal to "make things better" for my family. I just hope if I get caught, it is by some of you bleeding hearts on this blog, because I know you will let me off. Right?

Factcheck, and anyone else who thinks illegals are prohibited from receiving aid from the state and local governments...HAHA! Since our 14th Amendment has been badly misconstrued to grant automatic citizenship to any Tom, Dick, and Harry born here (or should it be "any Fernando, Sergei, and Molobolu?"), all an illegal has to do to really help their bottom line financially is to get aid for all their little "citizen" children, or anchor babies, as they are more properly known. Sure would help me if my children's expenses were "on the house," so to speak.

Roseboo, thanks for condescending to speak with us uneducated, racist fools. I, too, have worked with hundreds, nigh a thousand, ILLEGAL ALIENS and they are ALL CRIMINALS FROM THE WORD "GO!" I don't care how nice they are, they are committing a crime by being here. And I don't care what race they are, since we know there are TONS of white illegals, too. SO GET YOUR LITTLE RACE CARD OUT OF HERE! They are committing a crime when they take unauthorized work here. They are committing a crime when they support the market for fake documents such as bogus Social Security cards and bogus perm. res. cards. They are committing a crime when they work under someone else's Social Security number...oh, yeah, a FELONY crime. They are committing a crime when they cross to this country "just in time" to have an anchor baby in one of our fine hospitals, furthering the ABSOLUTE MISINTERPRETATION OF THE 14th AMENDMENT which mistakenly gives birthright citizenship to their legions of little ones. They are committing a crime when they walk their illegal butts brazenly into any government or agency office and demand welfare and food stamps for their little anchor babies, since again, as illegal aliens, they shouldn't be here sucking up aid. They are committing a crime when they take thousands of dollars in healthcare from the emergency rooms and hospitals and clinics and don't PAY A SINGLE DIME FOR ANY OF IT, knowing they'll be out of their current rental when all the legal notices come in. They are committing a crime when they open bank accounts in the country and sign documents saying they are legally in the U.S. They are committing a crime when they sign any document that calls for a statement of being here legally. SO, PLEASE STOP HELPING THEM AND START HURTING THEM BY CALLING IN ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYERS THAT YOU COME ACROSS IN THEIR RECORDS. IF YOU WANT TO WARN YOUR LITTLE CHARGES THAT THEIR EMPLOYER IS ABOUT TO BE TURNED IN, SO THEY CAN HIGHTAIL IT OUT OF THERE, FINE...but I'd prefer you let them get taken down in the bust, too.

Roseboo, the actual correct terminology is "illegal aliens." That's the terminology in all the federal statutes and literature on the subject. "Undocumented" is a major misnomer, due to the simple fact that these illegal aliens have TONS of documents: birth certificates from foreign countries, marriage certificates from foreign countries, matricula consular cards, federal electoral cards, and many others. Their problem is, all those documents don't make them LEGAL, only ILLEGAL.

Officer Sullivan, you are a fool. To hear the comment, "It's just an I.D." come out of the mouth of a sworn officer of the law is the height of absurdity. That "just an I.D." those illegals are getting makes it EASIER FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO DEFY FEDERAL LAW!! I know you're just a local police, but that does not make it right for you to look the other way as any level of law in this country is broken and abused. I sure hope you, Officer Sullivan, are going to approach your chief this week with the wonderful idea of Janesville P.D. applying for 287(g) grant and training from the federal government (I.C.E.) to train some of your officers in combating illegal immigration with arrest/detain rights and fast-track elimination of the illegals by the feds when your department catches them. I assume you will get on that paperwork this week. Just as you would "call in" a car you pulled over with Osama bin Laden and bombs inside, you sure had better start seeing the fraud and population bomb that illegals represent in your community. Thousands of Americans are walking around everyday with their Social Security numbers and those of their minor children being illegally stolen and used by illegals all over the country to work and make bank accounts and get other services. Maybe if one of them gets ahold of your SSN, you'll see the problem of FELONY MISUSE OF A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER as it actually is, a CRIME! Give up your badge and gun if you don't want to enforce all the laws of this country, or show me I'm wrong by applying for the 287(g) grant and training for your department!

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so now the illegal ones can come and go across the border when ever they want. no questions asked. ther probably laughing at the US for how easy we make it here for them. i am disappointed in blackhawk and ywca.

Mikki- “So we haven't helped out Mexico? Where did most of the US jobs go to, anyway?
Sorry, the USA has a hard enough time helping itself and it's own citizens. I say we need to take care of ourselves, first.”

If you’re implying “we” (the US government?) have been helping Mexico by sending unskilled manufacturing jobs abroad, I think you may be a bit confused. It is quite true that many US companies send their manufacturing to developing countries, but I’m pretty sure their aim is to boost profit margins by exploiting unregulated workforces—not so much to help their governments. “Free Market”, eh?

Yooper
“Let's see, what else can we GIVE them besides our jobs?????”
Just curious, which of your jobs have “they” taken from you?

SwissChick-you should reread the last line of your rant about people working under the table. It makes sense. If we’re gonna cry about people not paying taxes, we can start with the large population of our “natives”. I know more than enough construction workers just in Janesville that work for cash all winter while claiming unemployment—White Janesvillians, born n’ raised. Also, I’m pretty sure you’re not alone in being the descendant of immigrants—and for some reason many of us think our ancestors were somehow morally superior… they would never come here “illegally”. In a sense, you’re comparing apples and oranges. Many Europeans emigrated in a time period where immigration (naturalization) requirements were very lax to say the least. Through most of the 1800s, there were no legitimate requirements for Europeans—“documentation” (ie visa, even a passport) was not even required for entry before the 1921 with the Emergency Quota Act (of course Japanese and Chinese and many others were deemed inferior races far earlier).
I’d also like to add; the last time I looked at a map, I didn’t see any European country sharing a border with us. Had Europeans faced today’s regulations, and the opportunity to just cross a border rather than an ocean, we might almost have a basis for comparison. Different time period, different regulations, different geographic location. Same respective stereotyping, same nativism, xenophobia as our European ancestors had to deal with. Our ancestors would be proud.

Federal law also prohibits illegal immigration.

(quote)Oh, and do you know that as an American U. S. citizen, that if you go to Mexico you have ZERO help available to you..Can`t even buy land..(quote)

Mickie, I am a U.S. citizin that owns property in Mexico, and also have seeked help at the U.S. consulate in Mexico including renewing my passport in one day.. So your info is completely false.. Maybe some of you posting just to look intelligent should at least get something right or try too..

Federal law prohibits illegal immigrants from receiving Medicare, welfare or food stamps.

Techmasterflex - Most people don't have a problem with those who are here legally. It's the illegals who put a tremendous burden on tax payers, esp in smaller communities, utilizing govenment services that they are not entitled to (I would never presume to go to Mexico and expect even a fraction of what we simply hand out to anybody here). Therefore, since you are throwing the "shame" card around, why not save some of it for these law breakers? Also, lose the racist attitude about "all you white people." It's a prejuded assumption on your part to imply that all who are commenting here in opposition are, in fact, "white." And ummm, I believe the correct term is, European American.

Sounds good to me tallman. Boarder patrol isn't cheap. If a terrorist gets in and takes out a couple of buildings, then it would help stimulate the construction business.

Heck lets get rid of the laws that create the "Illegal" status, simply do away with immigration laws for all that want to "Flock" into the USA. Lets set up foreign aides for every foreign country in the world to help them with whatever they want or need, at all the community centers and job centers all across the great USA. Then make sure that we have teachers in all public schools to speak every language so that all the children of those who "flock" here as they then will not be illegal so we would have the obligation of teaching those too in their language and the beat would go on and on. Yeah, that would fix this whole problem to just get rid of being illegal by eliminating the boarder business all together. All fixed, right?

Well, I probably shouldn`t even get started on this.. BUT- this is wrong.. Again, let`s just make it as easy as possible for immigrants to "flock" here (just as the Gazette stated about flocking to the Job Center)..Oh, and do you know that as an American U. S. citizen, that if you go to Mexico you have ZERO help available to you..Can`t even buy land.. Gosh, I wish I had this email that was sent a while ago about all this..Would put it into perspective for some..

It sure would be nice if our country helped US get our passports in ONE day, instead of having to wait, and wait, and wait for them to be mailed to us.

United States Oath of Allegiance
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. In acknowledgement whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature.

ski and mikki, to bad you didnt know that even "mexicans" with a legal status in the states need to have a mexican passport.. shame on you for assuming that they were all UNDOCUMENTED!!!! not illegal.. If their illegal than so are you.. maybe if it is such high importance to you about them maybe you should educate yourselfs on the immigration laws and facts...

techmasterflex, I'm glad you introduced some historical context to this issue. Along with the Irish in the mid-1800's, the Germans and Scandinavians in the late 1800's, we can't forget how the Italians were considered to be similar threats in the early 1900's. Right now it seems to be the Latinos' turn to be tarred and feathered. The 'good' immigrants, like the Pilgrims and other Anglo-Saxons, didn't steal jobs when they came over here, they just stole the land! Nativism becomes more rampant during periods of economic turmoil. If everything were seashells and balloons right now, this wouldn't even be a discussion thread.

Its funny how all you white people are afraid of the big bad mexicans. Its just like when the Irish were stealing jobs and the blacks were stealing jobs and the jews were stealing jobs. history repeating itself. always go for the scapegoat. shame shame on all of you.

this will help keep wages down even more

It's also extremely ignorant to speak of things that you are uneducated about. If you are still calling them "illegals" then you have no right to speak about it. Whether they are here on documented or undocumented status, they are still people. I think it's great that BHCCU and the YWCA are helping out--I was also asked to help out because I speak Spanish. It shows that people are making an effort to help them so that it doesn't have to be difficult for them to live her OR go back to their homes. It's 2009--are we really still living in a time where we assume one race is bad in its' entirity? Yes, there are some unfortunate circumstances that come up; BUT, have we looked at other races in this town, ALL races, who have drug problems, drinking problems, domestic abuse, etc.? If we're going to blame our economy, taxes, and other numerous issues on Latinos then we have more of a problem to look at. Have your opinions, but do not be ignorant. Some of the comments on here embarass me...to even say I live in this city/state/country. I work in a position that works very closely with Latino families--I would not have a job without this diversity. ALSO--the families would not have my support or help of education to want to better themselves for their families and children. We work together to make things work. Try understanding the issues instead of coming at the issue with ignornace and ill-mannered ways.

My grandparents came over on the boat from Germany because they had a bad feeling before WWI. They presented themselves at Ellis Island with the proper documentation and settled in to this country learning the language (although they still spoke German at home), and working hard at starting in a new country making a living at farming. When the appropriate time came, they became citizens. Anything sound wrong about the way they did things??

Many times that is why illegals work for farmers, construction, etc because they are hired for minimum or less wages and then there are no money trails or hiring paperwork. Both parties win that way!!! Then they can go in for food stamps, school aide programs, social services all because they can show little to no incomes. But, then get behind some of the illegals at the stores to buy neccessities for which there is no aide and they have rolls of cash to pay with. Hmmmmm I wonder how that happens as I am sure if they don't have a bank account then they don't go in and cash paychecks unless it's a check cashing place with no record. They aren't using credit cards, or writing checks off an account. Remember I am speaking only of illegals as they don't want any paper trail or record of any kind.

The proper way to identify what you are calling "aliens" or "illegal immigrants" are "documented" or "undocumented." Thanks.

That's a fair viewpoint. But you have to realize that you can't fix the immigration problem without fixing Mexico.

So we haven't helped out Mexico? Where did most of the US jobs go to, anyway?
Sorry, the USA has a hard enough time helping itself and it's own citizens. I say we need to take care of ourselves, first.
Then we can take care of those that break our laws.

Yooper - I'm not sure what you mean, but that's OK. I have to get some wood out back now. The crib's empty in the garage. Excellent day out!

Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. Ever hear of working for cash under the table. Uh, that means no taxes are taken out of their paycheck, uh, oops, there wouldn't be a check. Sorry, I just wanted to point out that just because somebody "works" doesn't mean they pay taxes. Happens all over the country and not just to "illegals".

sannio, are you thinking of those places in Florida and California? Disneyland?

I like being narrow minded, too. Takes confusion out of my life. But I still have to admire someone that leaves their homes, family, and risks their life by sneaking over the border at night and in car trunks to live with us in OUR country (whoever WE are?). Makes me think we don't have it so bad compared to other folks elsewhere. There really is no logical reason why we can't help Mexico more to increase their standard of living, so people don't feel like the have to leave their own country. Most Mexicans are Catholic, so that's not an issue. They work pretty hard from what I've seen , so no issue there. What's the issue? Let's build friendly relationships with Mexican partners, instead of fences along our border. Then this illegal alien issue will go away.

Let's see, what else can we GIVE them besides our jobs????? I can't think of anything off hand, how about you?

The fact that NAFTA failed doesn't mean it's impossible. It was just poorly thought out.

But i like being narrow minded. It feels good.

People that are taking advantage of this program are more than likely permanent resident aliens. That means that they are in this country legally and pay taxes. Another thing, financial institutions cannot open accounts for illegals. Everyone that opens an account has to go through a screening process. Maybe people should get the facts before jumping to conclusions. If you boycott business because of this it just shows how narrow minded people really are.

If they work, they pay taxes. If they own a home, they pay taxes. If they rent, they are paying taxes. If they buy gas, they pay taxes. If they drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, they pay taxes. If they buy food or other items, they pay taxes. I am confused as to what taxes some of you say they are not paying.

I think we tried that already. NAFTA!! Their own government is too corrupt and beyond repair. Kinda like the good ole' USA anymore.

It very sure is the local law enforcement duty to verify legal status, or did they skip the part of their swearing in that states they will enforce the laws of the state of wisconsin, and the constitution of the United States? If these Mexicans are not here legally then they have violated the laws and the constitution. They are ILLEGAL Immigrants, what part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT supercedes the State, Federal laws and the Constitution of the United States of America??? Boycot all agencies that support these ILEGAL IMMIGANTS. Otherwise we are cherry picking what laws we are enforcing. It has been shown by studies over and over that all these illegal immigrants are draining our social services programs, schools, court systems, jails, prisons, and taking all the freebies they can while working for cash which they don't report. I am not against those that come to this country legally!!!!!

Rather than complain, did we every think of making Mexico a better place to live? I see President Obama already has the right idea.

Zippy, those words are for people who enter OUR country legally and pay taxes. Not sneaking across the border in the middle of the night and in the trunks of cars. Get in line like everybody else!!

Thanks Zippy. The rest of you never fail to amaze me.

Sounds like a missed opportunity for ICE to have done their JOBS!!! Meanwhile we have a sworn peace officer helping them with police reports. You can't even fake how stupid this is. This country has gone totally NUTS!!! I will also be closing my account with Blackhawk credit union.

Engraved on a plaque inside the Statue of Liberty.
"...Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door".
—Emma Lazarus, 1883

We'll be closing our Blackhawk account.

Boycott Blackhawk Community Credit Union and the YWCA. Let the illegal aliens support these businesses and see how long they survive.

Ski, then there'd be nobody there!

While they were there getting the Mexican passports, (which means they are citizens of Mexico), it would have been interesting to see thier papers to show that they are here legally. They could have had immigration agents at the door allowing only those that are allowed here to do their business with the Mexican consulate.

All of these immigrants and local people cannot find jobs. How outrageous it that?