Big word: OOOOUUUUUUCH!!!!!

The government in Janesville tends to be non-confrontational -contrary to what B'moon rants.

I guess private virginia didn't report for duty for a little while.

Sounds painful. I now regret the insensitivity of my previous post.

I went to school with a girl that fell off the bar at Looking Glass....she had to get stitches..and they weren't where you could see them....speaking of privates.

The Gazette pole for the smoking ban is: 60% in favor of the ban and 39% against.

The other 1% were out back lighting up.

hannah, I meant to say yesterday that your Quotes and Looking Glass posts are hilarious. Was the girl who fell on the stool a big girl? Did she damage the stool? Which privates?

Statewide ban, no exceptions. Level the playing field.

You people who are all against the smoking ban. Go out keep buying those cigs. Keep smoking hell I even say smoke more. The world could could use a reduction of stupid uneducated(nothing to do with college or high school) people who continue this nasty habit which has been proven time to hurt others as well. So go on keep smoking. While we are at it lets lower the penalties for drunk driving cause both do the same thing only one take longer than the other kill someone innocent

Like I said the world could use a reduction of weak people who are in denial about their nasty habit

Wimps give-in to smoking and smokers.

Say, could somebody email me directions to the Looking Glass? Sounds like my kind of place. (LOL!)

hannah , i have been there , and i just said if i dont like it i leave.

no hannah i wouldnt , im not a whiner or a complainer , if i go somewhere and dont like the atmosphere i leave and go somewhere else. it is after all my choice to stay or leave..

no hannah i wouldnt , im not a whiner or a complainer , if i go somewhere and dont like the atmosphere i leave and go somewhere else. it is after all my choice to stay or leave..

gazettefan , again i could really careless is there is a smoking ban or not, what concerns me more is the rights they are taking away from the business owners. they are making a decision that could hurt them financailly with no proof that it wont affect them . again if they think smoking needs to be banned then ban it from the whole state, but they wont do that, wisconsin wants the tax money and it would hurt them without it

etown, how many bars does Madison have? How come only two of them closed? Why can't you consider that they closed for other reasons? Maybe they closed because they were only hangouts for few nicotine addicts -non smokers couldn't stand the places.

And, again, where do the people drink who used to drink in those places? at home? really? well, in that case, long live the smoking ban!!!

actually i think my point was when you start serial blogging, i skip them and dont read them , because your only talking to yourself

Hannah: You go, girl! I am proud of you.

hannah , how many time s do i have to ask you , if your going to quote me then at least get it right, my response was to being accused of slamming people for for spelling errors, which ive never done

hmmm one person says toilet everyone jumps on the band wagon, wheres anyone proof? just keep making it up as you go

hannah, LOL.

They could wear deep sea diving helmets with exhaust hoses that go outside the building. Smokers without cigarettes can go just go hang-out out back of the building and suck it all up.

Good luck, crafty. Let us know how that goes. Maybe you can get your neighbor to blow snow on the passing cars!!!

etown, you didn't tell what's going on with the people who used to drink at those two bars. Do they do all their drinking at home now? Maybe they have toilets that work!!! ;~)

I do not enjoy breathing the fumes from people's cars. I am writing my legislators to suggest making the use of them illegal in public!
My 92 year old neighbor is really a jerk for using his snow blower so close to my house. The smoke is killing me! Why can't he just use a darn shovel?

Yes, etown, how many bars are in Madison? A hundred maybe? And two close because of the ban? C'mooooooooon!!!

etown, I don't understand your last post.

What was originally thought?

Who claimed they had no additional customers?

What is your point?

Also: Are you saying that the people who used to drink at the two bars that closed absolutely do not go out to drink anymore? Do they only drink at home?

localboy-I look forward to not standing by smokers when the ban gets passed. You say most smokers are considerate, I have not seen that. Anyone that lights up in a public place (yes, where it is legal) is inconsiderate. Why would anyone think that just because it hasn't been banned, that even smoking in public places, where allowed, is not inconsiderate? It is only because there is no ban that non smokers have to put up with obnoxious, inconsiderate smokers. If smokers were "considerate", they would go off somewhere and smoke, AWAY from all others.

gazettefan, thats what was orginally thought. later when they checked nearby taverns, they claimed they had no increase in customers since the smoking ban in madison

leostime36 - smokers are not idiots. Not any more than drinkers, painters, roof tar installers, or blacktoppers. I am not a smoker, but I am against trying to ban them. Let them be. If you don't like the smoke, don't stand next to them. Most smokers are considerate and are aware of people around them.

etown, both those bars closed because nearby areas didn't have smoking bans. Therefore it was the lack of smoking bans that caused the problem.

With a statewide band, those bars can reopen.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/9276955/...

http://www.tobacco.org/news/220766.html

As much as I HATE giving the government the ability to control our lives. I like the idea of a statewide no smoking ordinance. It makes a clear and level playing field among bar owners and patrons. Smoking kills it's not a debate science has proved it.

Bars are public places. The word pub comes from the term "public house." Bars are required to comply with government imposed health codes. Bars are required to have a ventilation system for air quality. Banning smoking will be an improvement on that requirement.

Bars are licensed by the people by way of the government. Even if there are pollutants in the air, that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop one more that is so easily stoppable.

Gazettefan, the air all around us if full of all sorts of toxic fumes. Lead in the ground, gasoline, combustion of all kinds. All of this stuff can kill us in large enough concentrations.

As far as I know, there is no right to breath air free of tobacco smoke; just as there is no right to smoke.

What there is, and it is spelled out in the Constitution, is the right to private property.

So it should remain up to the business whether or not they choose to permit smoking on their property.

Private Property rights are the cornerstone of our freedoms, be very careful about giving them up.

Leos--You may have proven the point...no its not supposed to be about an obnoxious habit...it is supposed to be about public saftey.

You may dislike other peoples smoke, so do I. The differnce is, I do not choose to ask government to stop them from engaging in it. You should simply avoid places where it is present.

It is a legal product, if it is so dangerous to be around it...then we must do the right thing and outlaw smoking and cigarettes altogether.

If not, let people choose to patronize a smoking or non smoking establishment of their choice.

Make sense?

anotherop-yes I am visually appealing. Not that it has any thing to do with this blog. It is about a nasty habit that obnoxious people have and don't get that people won't put up with anymore.

anotherop-
I don't offend anyone...probably because I don't smoke!!! Not overweight...not that it is an issue on this blog, but nice try! I am sure if someone blew smoke in your face, you would just suck it right up!!! Right?? I love pro smokers.....just blow it in your face and you will inhale and be happy. Idiots.

leostime36 I hope there is nothing about you that offends otheres. Are you visually appealing? Do you smell ok? Are you perfectly fit? If not, perhaps you will offend me and I should use the power of government to ban you from the places I like to go?

Sounds kind of ridiculous doesn't it? Yep, but not out of the questions considering what you are advocating.

Oh, and for the record I support smokers rights...and NO, I don't smoke.

another....., you seem confused. Do you support the freedom to breath air free of toxic tobacco fumes in public places or not?

Gazettefan you are obviously only trying to help other people. Here is a news flash, they don't want your help.

The fact that you willingly support the use of the nanny state to tell people what is good for them is quite frightening indeed. These are not the principles this country was founded on.

"People who would sacrifice freedom for the promise of security deserve neither."

smokers are nasty idiots. they think it is their right to puff away and everyone should just suck it up. WRONG. Finally, people are realizing that smoker's don't have the right to blow that crap in non smoker's air. Nothing any smoker says can change the fact that smoke is disgusting and we don't have to put up with it anymore. It has taken the government to get this point across, because smokers are obnoxious. I would like to spray noxious fumes in smokers faces and see how they like it. They think their smoke is just great to spew in other peoples breathing air.....obnoxious idiots.

Are you conceding the point that the former customers who are smokers don't go out anywhere to drink anymore?

And how do you explain the fact that other bars haven't closed?

thank you now you have just proven my point, smokers dont go there anymore and there is no proof by removing them they will be replaced by non-smokers . so leave the business owner alone i guess after all they knew what they were doing .

Were these place's in Madison? Did you say the names were: Rick and Ole's and Hammy's?

Regardless, former customers who are smokers stopped going there, right? So now those former customers don't drink out anymore? And people who don't smoke don't want to go to those two places? Does that sum it up?

both of these business were doing very well before the smoking ban, it was only after it was enacted they began to struggle . they had to make a business choice how much do you lose before you give in. to say there was something wrong without any knowledge of either business is irresponsible.

Well at least you don't think we're the same person anymore, or was that your pal, thc?

gazettefan. there you go again stating something i can prove is not true, your serial blogger friend hannah always accuses me of that. but i have never once commented on her typing or grammar skills.you can read all my entries and see that im telling the truth, and the two of you are liars

USMC, I read all the posts again. I defy you tell me where any of what I said was not responsive to etown's misreading my posts and insulting me.

usmc...., have you grasped the irony yet? (I'll spare you the accusation of hypocrisy.) Your first post does nothing but slam someone while you're erroneously claiming that that someone's posts are impolite. A certain poster's reasoning skills aren't very good. Mine are. You're seeing the mismatch as though I'm picking on him. He continues to respond illogically and without comprehension.

(By the way, usmc, you joined up here too late to see how etown slams people for typos.)

etown, if those bars closed, it was because there was something wrong with them that didn't have anything to do with the ban. Bars are flourishing, though business is off because of the economy.

usmc. so your saying i should of skipped that last paragraph a couple of comments back....ooops im bad lol

sarahb and neither of these two closed because of a toilet problem

gazettefan again you have overstated yourself , i never said i was for smoking, i said im for the right of a business owner to choose , just like its the right of the patron to go there or not. rick and oles, it closed not even a year after the ban hammer time is another. it was first blamed on the fact that patrons were going outside of city limits , but when a study was done they didnt find hardly any increase in patrons in those areas. 2006 when they closed is way before the economy took a nose dive.you talk like your point s are so clearly written you just keep saying its a proven fact , proven where by who when ?you have proven nothing usmc is correct in their evaluation s of your posts. my guess is your on disability for some made up illness and nothing makes you feel better about yourself then being the tough serial blogger

Gazettefan, How am I a third party? This is an open forum where ALL perspectives can be freely expressed. Also, I never said, or expressed that I was insulted, merely that YOU can be insulting in your know all responses to other people that are expressing their opinions. I agree with you that it is OK to express yourself strongly,but why do it at the expense of belittling your own self with demeaning comments towards the others that you wish to debate. I will grant you that some of your arguements do have validity(I happen to agree with you on some points) and are your opinion to which you are free to express, BUT, the manner in which you argue your point shows a childishness and arogance that does not help in others seeing your arguement. Also, I am not choosing anyone's side in this forums , I merely expressed MY own opinion, which I do own, and if it happens on some points to be that or nearly what others may think, then so be it, but it is MINE. As to specifically pointing out your violations, refer to the 3rd and 4th bullets at the botton of the page. Now read them carefully again so you are sure that you understand them, then go back over your own blogs and tell me that you do not belittle people and their views that happen to differ from your owm. I believe in your right to express yourself, but I believe that it should be done in a manner which promotes intelligent discussion, not hinder it. Just MY opinion.

USMC, specifically point out my violation of the rule.

Your observation may be along the lines of some of the others here. If you can't effectively make your point when the other person can, you feel insulted -even in the absence of a true insult.

It's OK to make your point strongly. Your point will look stronger (not forceful or insulting) if the other person's point is weak.

It's a fact that when a third party views a dispute between two other parties, the third party will sooner or later take a side. This can even happen when someone tunes into a football game between two teams that had no prior interest to the viewer. Usually there's not much sense to the choice, but making a choice is irresistible.

You are the third party in this particular matter. Why you chose to side with the people who couldn't hold up their end of the argument is a matter that you may want to think about. I think I've said enough.

This is my first ever blog, so please bear with me as I learn the proper ettiquette(sp?) of this. Gazettefan...You violate the 4th point of the user rules at the bottom of the page. I have been reading responses to the Gazette subjects for several days now, and yours seem to me that you are "the all knowing, all seeing". It's you're way or the hi-way, you're right and no other opinion matters, and anyone who disagees with you has "horrible reasoning skills" and "can't be trusted". My understanding is that this is an open forum for intelligent and open minded discussion of current topics that are important to our community. Everyone has an opinion(as you do) and they are entitled to express that opinion without being ridiculed or belittled for it(as do you). Keep an open mind, maybe find someone as intelligent as you that may sway you to their side. That being said...I feel that it's a freedom of choice to either smoke or not to smoke. Therefore, I feel that a non-smoker also has the freedom to choose to go or not to go to a tavern that allows smoking. Taverns ARE a private enterprise and the owners have that right to decide what goes on within their establishment as they see fit(within the law). I am a smoker and I frequent bars that allow smoking and also ones that are smoke-free, when there I honor their rules. I CHOOSE to be there knowing what's expected of me. Making a choice is what it is about. If you are a non-smoker and you go to a smoking bar, you have made a choice, I didn't twist your arm and make you go there. Find an alternative, make your choice and live with it. If I have offended anyone, I apologize.

Thanks, SarahB, just as I thought a craphole. Or should I say, no craphole.

One of those Madison bars closed due to no longer having a working toilet.

No matter what you claim those bar owners said, those bars closed because of the economy and because their clientele had no loyalty and because non-smokers didn't like them. Which bars were they? describe them.

If you think smoking is okay then why would you want the government to ban it entirely?

Nothing you say has any credibility because you can't be trusted and your reasoning skills are horrible.

and if our government truly believes that cigerette smoke is so bad then why havent they banned them? because of the tax money they recieve from them, they yell about the health care costs from cigerette smoke , try to control businesses on patrons use, crying it costs them so much money. but yet profit from them themselves

there is not proof to that, like i said two bars in madison have already closed and are blaming the smoking ban, thats working ?

How is it working if people are getting poisoned by cigarette smoke? The proof is that it works better when people aren't poisoned by cigarette smoke. You're just making stuff up!!!

the proof is what they have now is working and they are making money , only government would want to change something that is working

Do you really believe you are making sense? You're tapping-out, can you feel it?

Where is the proof the ban will hurt businesses? There is plenty of proof that bans don't hurt businesses. You're just making stuff up, you're tapped-out.

Permitting smoking in bars is going to offset the problems of a bad economy???!!!! A ban is more likely to help bars in a bad economy. People who don't smoke and like to go out for drinks will be more able to afford it than people who drink and SMOKE!!!!

Lose the tunnel vision, selective perception, and confirmation bias that blinds your reasoning -you're looking ridiculous.

do you read the article your posting on, or do you just get something in your head and get sidetracked. that is a trait of serial blogging. i never said they are losing money , but there is no proof if they ban smoking in bars the income will still be there. the beer distributors just raised their fees, the economy as a whole is bad in this area ,they are already seeing a reduction in patrons. are they worried , yes many are not sure they will survive if they pass this law. the only opinion that should matter in this is the owners, the patrons are not forced to be there

Did they complain about existing codes? Who's going to Madison? Are you saying the ban is causing restaurants to close here?

Before the economy tanked there was no evidence that the ban hurt the bar business -the ban can't be blamed for the problems of craphole bars that were already on the bubble. If there are some bars that are in trouble now then you have to factor in the bad economy. You'd think that smokers would save money now by ditching the cancer sticks and going out for a drink once-in-a-while and showing some loyalty to the bar owners you're talking about.

(Four bucks a day -28 bucks a week saved- would buy someone a night out a week for a few drinks.)

yes , the last time the restaurants and bars fought the ban and they did it anyways. why do you think they are going to madison.i personally know 7 bar owners with some owning more then one bar , and not one of them support the smoking ban. just recently 2 bars in madison closed because of the ban one was on tv and said that his customers arent even traveling out of the area to different bars they are just choosing to stay home, so if non smoking bars are so poplular why did these bars close?

Have any of them told that to the city government re: licensing and compliance with existing codes? If they did they'd come off like B'moon. Do you think those places would be as sanitary as they are without health codes?

And you'd be surprised at how many of them WANT the smoking ban. They are just getting along to get along with the smokers for now.

amazing now you speak for all of janesville , lol. but i dont think your speaking for the people who actually own the bars , and im sure they would be quick to tell you that they own the place let them run it the way they want. if you dont like how they chose to run their business then dont come there

Don't worry, generalsn, I was getting to you.

There could be some craphole bars in Chicago where smoking takes place and no one with any sense goes to. Enforcing the ban there would be much more difficult than in Janesville.

But over all the ban is working fine in Chicago. The good, well patronized bars are honoring the ban and are doing well. I go to a great bar there that did great business before the ban and is doing better business after the ban. A woman bartender there told me that she's glad the ban was passed because it will help her to quit smoking.

As for Janesville, many of the bars there are concentrated downtown and those bars and all the other bars are patronized by people who want the smoking ban (all Janesville bars will be easy to police). Any violations of the ban will be reported and owners faced with fines and impending revocation of their licenses will make sure the ban isn't violated. Contrary to Chicago, smoking ban violations will not slip through the cracks in Janesville.

After over a year of experience here in Chicago, trying to ban smoking in small neighborhood "shot and beer" bars is pretty useless. Many small bars in my area ignore the ban to keep their customers, neighbors, and local police (many are patrons when off duty) satisfied. The problem of undesirables being attracted by groups of people outside the bars and causing disturbances on the PUBLIC street, property that the owner has no control over, far outweighs the issue of people peacefully smoking inside a bar, bothering absolutly no one. It also keeps kids from being exposed to excessive smoke at home when adults gather there instead of at a local bar. All the complaints have been from neighbors of bars that comply with the ban.

etown, this sentence is in my post just prior to your last post.

"A business owner may ban someone who has established himself as a problem."

If you don't believe me, go back and read it again.

After over a year of experience here in Chicago, trying to ban smoking in small neighborhood "shot and beer" bars is pretty useless. Many small bars in my area ignore the ban to keep their customers, neighbors, and local police (many are patrons when off duty) satisfied. The problem of undesirables being attracted by groups of people outside the bars and causing disturbances on the PUBLIC street, property that the owner has no control over, far outweighs the issue of people peacefully smoking inside a bar, bothering absolutly no one. It also keeps kids from being exposed to excessive smoke at home when adults gather there instead of at a local bar.

really? then what your saying is if someone comes into your bar and they are so drunk you have to serve them , not true. they come in no shirt you have to serve them , not true . they are rude and obnoxious to other customers you cant ask them to leave , not true

etown, it's a matter of the wide latitude of the First Amendment. It's legal to put the sign up but it's not legal to enforce the message on the sign. (For example a dry cleaner may have a sign that disclaims responsibility for damaged clothing but the dry cleaner is not immune to a finding of responsibility in a civil suit.) And, have you ever heard of the civil rights movement?

A business owner may ban someone who has established himself as a problem. But a business owner can't just ban anyone.

A bar is a public place because the public has access to it. Local governments etc. have legally determined bars to be public places. Public house, Pub.

i also disagree with you its a privately owned business opened to the public

gazettefan, every bar has a sign, we have the right to refuse service to anyone its there for a reason

theone. sounds more like your trying to twist what i said then that being my words. firecode would be a safety issue that would effect not only that business owner , but occupants ,and other businesses around them , someone entering their building couldnt necessarily see that they are violating the fire code. but they could see before entering they allow smoking. when its a government owned place then go ahead say no smoking i just dont think they should go into the private sector and dictate, not when its not their money at stake. i suppose you could argue that it is the governments money because of health care. but again , saying businesses cant allow smoking is not going to stop the people who smoke.they would just go somewhere else and the business owner loses. there are now enployer health insurance companies that charge more for health insurance if you smoke, we didnt see the number of smokers drop they just pay more.

etown, a bar is a public place. The word pub comes from the term "public house."

Businesses can't refuse service to everyone.

Businesses have to conform to health codes. This is important to how an owner runs the business. The smoking ban will be a health code. The ban will also be for employees in bars.

Smoking bans do not hurt businesses.

The government is involved in many things to your benefit.

I had many cigarettes for u all at the LG earlier this evening and i am still breathing after the pollution

etown....should business' have the right to ignore fire codes also?

After all, by your logic, if you don't want to assume the risk of getting trapped in a burning building....you shouldn't go in...right?

a tavern is not a public place , its a place of business that has the right to refuse service to anyone. if non smoking bars are so popular then why dont we see more of them? im not for or against smoking in bars,but i am for a business owner having the right to chose how to run their business. after all its is only their income that will be affected by this. you can say all you want about it being a health risk , but its only a health risk if you choose to enter the building and only you can make that choice. if you want a nonsmoking bar open one yourself and put your money on the line . the government shouldnt be screwing wtih someone elses money they already take there share

Smoke free everywhere, it's the fair way to go. I had lunch at The Looking Glass today with my daughter and grandson. We go at lunch when people are more concerned with food then smoking. With their high ceilings it takes a while to get smoky. The only thing better would be no smoke at all.

this isnt russia...is this russia?? this isnt russia is it??

How about freedom from health codes?

I think that we should let the business owners make the choice for there place's. They are the one that has to pay the taxes and all the other bills. It should be there choice.How would anyone of you like to have someone come in to your homes and tell you what to do. That is what you are asking the goverment to do to these bar owners.Anyone of them can open a none smoking bar anytime they want no one is stoping them.But they don't but you want the ones that do want to smoke in there bar not to beable to know who is taking the rights away form who?

nurse..., you didn't misspell any words, so are you kidding with the way you misspelled "mispelled"?

Good luck, ihavealife, way to go. You'll be able to hike the Devil's Staircase in the spring like a champ.

I can not go to "Quotes" anymore. I can not breathe and dance at the same time. They really need a better venitalation system there. Get rid of all the noxious fumes..I think the Looking Glass has the right idea- I enjoy going there in the summertime. They have the patio with it's fresh clean air...

BTW-I think I had a mispelled word ..oops!

thekid3477 You need to get off the weed that is just blasphemy.

Raise alcohol tax. I have never heard of such foolishness. Wait in Oregon they did %1900

My previous post with typo corrected:

Correct, nurse4u, and if there are bars in Illinois near the stateline where business has dropped off, it's because of a lack of a smoking ban in Wisconsin. With a ban here, it'll all even out.

And, hannah, Quotes is a public place licensed by the people by way of the government. You should be able to go there without being subjected to the toxic fumes from tobacco.

Correct, nurse4u, and if there are Wisconsin bars in Illinois near the stateline where business has dropped off, it's because of a lack of a smoking ban in Wisconsin. With a ban here, it'll all even out.

And, hannah, Quotes is a public place licensed by the people by way of the government. You should be able to go there without being subjected to the toxic fumes from tobacco.

The Wisconsin Tavern League was able to stall the last bill, so their constituents can take advantage of the extra business from bans in Illinois and Minnesota. I'll bet business owners in places like Beloit saw an uptick in business when the Illinois ban went into effect, from the smokers crossing the border, and the businesses don't want to give that up. This isn't about "choice" for them, but a fear of change. If Kelly Richards doesn't want to be told how to run his/her business, how does s/he cope with other laws like building, fire and sanitation codes?

maybe they should discuss raising the alcohol tax for the first time in DECADES while theyre there.

Don Diego, it would be a totally different situation if all bars across the state had to be smoke free. However, the Indian Casinos will be exempt to this law and the mom & pop taverns near these establishments will loose their customers to these exempt places.

The real issue is for businesses that are more restaurant in the day and more bar at night. Take The Rock in Beloit. They open the restaurant before the city enacts it's law regarding banning smoking where more than x% of your business comes from food. It is a happening place on the weekends. The city passes the law and BOOM!, stop by on a Fri or Sat night, it isn't hard finding parking. There are many places like this. Whatever they choose to do, they need to do across the board. Either make it totally up to the owners or make it 100% non-smoking in all public places. If every place has the same rules, then this will not adversely affect anyone's business. If every city is allowed to make it's own rules, then it will. When Madison went smoke free, many went to surrounding towns and villages where they could smoke. If no one in the state is allowed to have a smoking establishment, then it will not matter and all businesses will be on equal footing.

Its bad enough that smoking alone has taxed the hell out of our health care system, and contributed to countless and needless deaths for people who don't even smoke. Come on folks we are not living in the 1940's when society thought smoking was good for you

Pass the smoking ban. I would go to more bars then. I hate having to fumigate my clothes have going out to smoky bars. Hey smokers if you don't like it, Quit.

I don't care how they get there , the fact that they are going tells me ..... We have their attention and the statewide band is very possible ! I hope !

Illinois Taverns seem to be doing just fine with their smoke wide ban. If anything, business has increased.

I do not smoke and never even tried it. I personally feel that a place of business should be smoke free for health reasons alone. With what we know about tobacco and all that goes into it, why is it even an option? Until you have seen an individual suffering from lung cancer because of cigarette use, you can not possibly understand the health ramifications of allowing a tavern to remain available to smokers.

Yes, you have a right to put into your body whatever you want but I think the line should be drawn at what you put into another person's body. Cigarette smoke affects everyone around them, and second hand smoke is just as toxic as first hand smoking.

Tavern owners are a joke . They could care less about peoples rights . They only want the money !!!!!!!!! .. Wake up Wisconsin ! People are dying everyday because of this nasty habit. Bar owners customers are dying everyday from secound hand smoke, do you really think the bar owner cares ? The only thing they care about is the fact that the dead person will not be spending any more money in their bar ! Clearly they are running scared at this point , why else would they agree to get on a bus !
Don't stop the press for a statewide ban untill we are smoke free please !

You're going to lose a lot more customers because they can't smoke. There will always be a way to get away with gambling.

I wonder what side of the argument bar owners would come down on if they were told you can smoke but your gambling machines must go?