I see the kid is in his normal state of mind defending the high of his life. Bottom line if a drug is illegal then it is illegal!!!! and hanna enjoy the margaritas until your liver shuts down and I hope you don't get priority over the ones that need a liver transplant not due to the choices you have made.

Did you know that America currently has millions of people incarcerated, millions, 2.2 million people. Republican - look at all that tax money - 24,000 bucks a year, per person.

SarahB1:
I never said it wasn't addictive, but I'm assuming most people that have done heroin probably tried it on their own and weren't forced to do it. They knew of the extremely high addiction rate when they tried it. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone that ignores all of the information out there. There are plenty of people that choose to live straight and are rewarded for working hard in life. There are others that have bad hands dealt to them - those are the people I will feel bad for, not someone that chooses to be a lowlife piece of garbage.

Mass propaganda???

One last thing, since it seems for the most part my invite for a healthy pot discussion has shut most people up.I've said what I wanted to anyway.

If alcohol isn't a gateway drug,what is it?
A happy drug?Show me a happy drunk and I'll show you 100 mean drunks. YOu realize alcohol is a poison, and the effects of being drunk are your bodies inability to metabolize that poison out of your body fast enough? Alcohol poisoning?Put your views to good use and lobby yourself to outlaw alcohol,see how that works out for you.At least your energy will be put to good use.
=D
It was good talking, hope everyone has a good day! It's gorgeous outside!!!

"Gateway Drug"
Phrase you learned in school,from the government?
How cute.
I wasn't trying to disprove that pot is a gateway drug, I was actually trying to explain why it is. Didn't you read? Or are you just going on what you learned as a kid, and sticking with it because you fear...wow,maybe I've been tricked? Maybe what I learned was wrong or skewed? I know, it's a jagged pill to swallow, but I promise you don't fall as much when someone turns on the light in a dark room.
But not if you keep your eyes closed.

That's an analogy,should I explain that to you? Doubt you'd listen.

Sir, to suggest I am plagiarizing material,without citing any of these "sites" anywhere...well that's just an easy way of trying to brush it all off,isn't it? Frankly, I'm offended. I'd like you to post these websites you're referring to,please.

If you're referring to my link to web MD, and their study that concludes there is no direct link between marijuana smoke and lung cancer,then what do you suppose I do to cite facts?

http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20...

You accusation is unfounded,and you have presented no evidence. That stings. But at least you have nothing backing up what you say.

And no, I dont know a dankangel. I assume that's another poster? I can't imagine someone naming their kid dankangel. Well, I can but that's not the point =D

a joint for 30 cents? what a wonderful world it would be :)

freeradical: You don't know someone by the name od dankangel do you? I sure hope not, but anyways all your doing is copy and pasting from sites that want pot legal. Pot is a gateway drug ..... you'll never prove it isn't, you just want pot legal so you can buy a joint for 30 cents or so, dream on.

The real problem is money.Always is.You think it's cheaper for the government to employ people to grow, maintain,harvest,manufacture,ship,distribute,hold and sell Pot than some guy growing in his basement or attic? Of course it isn't. The black market for marijuana is very strong,and it had been around for decades. You think just planting a few huge fields of government-grown marijuana will just distinguish the illegal drug trade? Of course not. A private grower is ALWAYS going to be able to sell his pot cheaper than the government,unless they are smart about it(haha) The problem lies within regulating and taxing pot just as much as the problem with why or why not to legalize it.

Legalize.Not decriminalize.Decriminalize?What kind of message would that send? "You can hold it and smoke it,but don't sell it" Decriminalizing pot is a terrible message. It's illegal but it's ok? What kind of message does that send to kids...even adults?
Smell the coffee. It's estimated over 50 million people in the US alone smoke marijuana at least once a year (google it) No cancer deaths from it. An increase in incarcerations for small,weed based crimes? Of course.
An increase in PRIVATELY owned prisons to house these..these..DRUGGIES? You betcha. Privately owned prisons? People making money on people going to jail? And for weed?
Whoa people!...are you seeing any of this as rediculous? Prisons are now made for profits?By private owners and companies?Putting people in jail should NOT make people money. Theres bigger issues to be had here. Or,as I put it...
Bigger problems than the guy who comes home from work,smokes a joint,eats a snickers and falls asleep watching TV. Murders,rapists.
Know anyone who beats their wives or children because they got so ripped? Hmm. Maybe we'd see a decrease in violent crimes-if pot were legal? Something to ponder.

NotadruggiePOS
Are you aware of the fact heroin can be snorted or smoked as well? Why do you think it's caught on so well in your city? Snort a half inch line, be high for hours. That's it. No needles or anything.

They choose to do heroin.True.

Know anyone that chooses to take claritin for allergies? Wellbutrin for depression? Riddilin for concentration? Xanex or lorazepam for panic attacks? These easily overdoseable drugs are just as toxic and addictive as any hard drug. The difference? Well, pharmecuticals happens to be the biggest money making machine in the US today. What's that? Pharmecuticals fund studies that bias their companies meds over others? Over hard drugs? Over soft drugs?
Anytime theres a market as big and enticing as pharmecuticals are, you're going to get corrupt politicians, as well as those companies using their massive weight to sway a vote in the Supreme court, etc. Or they'll just shell out 2.3 Billion without blinking an eye, like was done this week.

GUESS WHAT? Pharmacutical companies worldwide are TERRIFIED of that fact that an easy to produce and manufacture NATURALLY occurring substance can be better at alieving symptoms of cancer patients than the best drugs they can manufacture. You know how hard they're trying to keep pot illegal? How big of an impact on the biggest money making market in the world(besides-you guessed it-the worldwide illegal drug trade nipping at its heels) would legalizing a naturally occuring plant have? The impact could be astronomical. Think about WHO wants to keep pot illegal next time someone you know with cancer has to worry about smoking a joint, just so they can sleep or eat.

Klick - Pot leads to harder drugs...Proven fact.

Fact?Have you read anything I've posted as to why that may be true?
I'd like to see which government funded study you're referring to...The parameters,etc.
Try these parameters for your theory.
Like I said before; If you mean, that by making pot illegal,and lumping it in with other hard drugs that are dealt on the black market, it's easier to obtain than,say, alcohol or cigs- and just as easy to obtain a gram of cocaine as it is pot. By looking at the fact that most drug dealers deal DRUGS not JUST pot. And the fact that anyone that knows a pot dealer, probobaly knows someone who deals hard drugs,or that the pot dealer him/herself also deals other drugs. By making harder drugs more accessible to pot smokers by the black market. Yes, yes in that sense pot is a "gateway" drug. But people who are going to smoke are going to smoke. And many people who do smoke do it as a form of self medication. In that sense, more people are predisposed to WANT to try harder drugs, to fix their insomnia,depression,poor performance at work or school, social issues,etc. In the sense that some people have gone to "seek" out something to alleviate some symptoms of whatever problems they might have,and are more likely to try other things they find(other things many dealers deal..making sense yet?) Then yes. Pot is a gateway drug. Inasmuch as you are hundreds of times more likely to try other illegal drugs if you are already buying one. Keeping pot illegal and lumped together with coke and heroin is sending a terrible message,and even more terrible effects.

Case and point; THIS ARTICLE. Selling Pot....AND HEROIN. It's right here in front of you in black and white. If you don't understand that...well then I'm afraid how many other people are out there taking whatever is given to them as fact without thinking about WHY it is. Think...really think. It's not that hard to ascertain.

Drinking milk has a gateway effect to drinking alcohol.Is it safe to assume that connection too?

All this talk about smoking them reefer sticks is making me hungry.

Hey, does the Rock County Jail do cheap passport photos? Those pics are not too shabby.....nice clarity, lighting, etc....and they bring out the real inner beauty of the subject. Sweet.

NotadruggiePOS: So, please tell everyone, when you obtained your certification as an addictionologist. You don't know squat about substance use disorders. Knowledge is power; I guess that means you are pretty much power(less), fool.

thekid3477 pot leads to harder drugs prov en
fact.....dats a fact jack ......

Let's get one thing straight - this doesn't "happen" to people. They choose to do heroin. Or maybe someone tripped and accidentally injected them one day and they were inadvertently hooked. Yep, that's it.

alcohol also shrinks your brain...fyi :)

if a person is addicted to 2 to 3 margaritas a day,even if it at home,thats and alcoholic,and yes that person is a danger,to themselves,especially their liver.

just trying to make you laugh!! We all need that as well!!

hannah you may be overdoing it just a tad;), but scale it back a notch and according to the american heart association it will actually be BETTER for you than gardening. unless your gardening marijuana to smoke but dont get me started on all those benefits;)

The risk of heart disease in people who drink moderate amounts of alcohol (an average of one drink for women or two drinks for men per day) is lower than in nondrinkers. One drink is defined as 1-1/2 fluid ounces (fl oz) of 80-proof spirits (such as bourbon, Scotch, vodka, gin, etc.), 1 fl oz of 100-proof spirits, 4 fl oz of wine or 12 fl oz of beer. It's not recommended that nondrinkers start using alcohol or that drinkers increase the amount they drink.

thanks for helping me keep sane at work although you may not agree I am sane!! ;)

Do you drive 55? I do and it pisses people off. I like to get 6 days out of my tank.the addiction I am talking about here is speeding. song "I cant drive 55."

spark this is fun!!!

come on spill your addiction!!!(s)

I was pretty sure it was bitting the toenails haha.

I would have an addiction to puking if my hubby did this. I can list many for my hubby

funny you mention this AIR stuff- YES IT IS BAD!!!
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The air quality forecast is expected to reach the orange level, which is considered unhealthful for people with lung disease, asthma and other ailments. The watch means those people should cut back on strenuous activities and be watchful for chest pain, shortness of breath and wheezing.

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Hannah - you realize, I'm just messing with you at this point, I hope.

I really don't have any. None of them on your list. I don't need one thing every single day other than the basics that most people do. Sleep 7 hours, work 8 hours, eat normal meals. I don't garden and use a nail clipper. I enjoy being outside. Is fresh air bad?

Also got bit once in the garden and it "streaked" Well guess that can happen with margaritas as well youre right I am wrong.

I disagree- I have never had a rash(from margarita) all over my arm or my face blow up like a FREAK- from what ever it was in the garden and rush to er and they say "dont know" take these and rub this one and you SHOULD be okay.

BOTH can dehydrate you!!!! though

So Spark youre not answering my question WHAT are your addictions and we will decide if they are "sad".

It will do more harm than gardening :)

Spark 2-3 margaritas are not harmful. It is usually 2 because I fall asleep before I can finish 2.

bitting your toenails can be harful- ingrown nails and bad for your social life!!!!!

I will visit you soon but you have FOUR DAY WKND. I only get THREE haha.

seems there is help if they WANT it.
http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/sep/04/...

I'm not judging anybody. I just said it was sad.
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Hannah - You comparing things that aren't harmful to things that are harmful, is absolutely pointless and makes zero sense. Gardening?

hannah yer slowly becoming my new favorite chic:)

please read if you have any confusion on what I wrote. You prob wont but I didn't want to take up 3 blog entries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

spark I am sure you have some addiction you cannot live w/o every day. It doesnt have to be harmful either it is still an addiction.
DO you smoke?
bite your nails?
bite your toenails? haha
pick at your dead skin on your nails?
make sure your hair is perfect 10 times a day?
blog to much? haha
garden too much?

here's one WROK to much?
watch to much tv?
play to many video games?
drink too much coffee, pop??????
eat to much?
Sleep to much?
Breakfast every day out at a diner?
exercise to much?
drink too much water? not hardly but some do and to much is bad for you.

want anything you do to be PERFECT?
If you do anything to much youre an addict.

did I get any right. What is it that you do too much of but doesnt hurt anybody?

That reminds me MONK is on this eve!!

its ok if you want to sit on yo throne and judge me or hannah for using drugs every day. it may be sad that we use drugs everyday. but that doesnt mean it should be illegal.

God..having, needing or wanting (however you want to slice it) to rely on a drug everyday. That's really sad.

its not bad hannah. i smoke 2-3 hitters in a day. im no more dangerous than you yet you can get yours just about anywhere you want...i am FORCED to find mine on the black market...and then blasted for HELPING the black market profit. de-criminalized drugs are not that crazy of an idea and hopefully not that far away. mexico has had thousand murdered this year...not from the drug users in the u.s. but the drug POLICIES in the u.s. what did mexico do to determine the difference between an adult who wants to use drugs and the people who are profiting and killing?? oh yeah, they made it ok for responsible adults to MAKE A CHOICE...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/17289...

freeradical, thekid: it's always nice to see two potheads get together and pat eachother on the back. Maybe you two should burn one together and share a bag of chips, but please don't let the other drive home.

Hannah-Thank you for proving that any substance can be regulated and controlled, even used *gasp*
Responsibly?!?
If only there was something that was made illegal,that is now legal-so we could compare the difference. Hm
What could we use....Hm...

(whisper) Alcohol.

Your words strengthen the argument that Marijuana should be regulated just as alcohol is.

We all remmeber what happened during the prohibition,right? Machine Gun Kelley, Al Capone,etc? Gangs and wars were created over an artificaially inflated Alcohol market.
It strengthened organized crime, it didn't deter it. It also lead to a general disregard for a common law by the public.
Sound familiar? How did that work out?

We taxed it and regulated it. Although the downsides of alcohol don't supercede the positives. Like weed could.
Im just saying.

I am addicted to 2-3 margaritas a day(at home)- better look out!! that is some really bad behavior and I could hurt somebody- NOT

thekid: I figured you watch alot of cartoons and could understand it ok ....

before i start this,i want everyone to know yes i did laugh at her hair and i told her i did.now to get to my post.our society has become a people of addictions.what amanda did to others and herself is wrong and she knows this,this girl and so many others like her need help to quit destroying her life and others.Addictions come in all forms not just drugs and alcohol.nicotine,caffiene,video games,computers are all addictive,but yet no one condemns these people,do you have any idea what its like to shake off a nicotine habit? This girl feels bad enough,she doesnt need to be crucified anymore.This girl has a family,and all the mean things that are said affects them also.Those of you who think its ok to call her a scumbag and other names,its not,because karma is an ass kicker,and this could happen to you or someone in your family,and dont say it cant or wont,because you dont know.I notice some of you are very critical not only on this post but other post also.Some of you i notice that you never have a nice thing to say,always judging others which is wrong.Remember,people who live in glass houses,shouldnt throw stones,and i bet most of you are addicted to something and it dont have to be drugs.Just remember this could be happening to you and your family.

ALWAYS appreciate help bringing vision to the blind:) some day SOON the war on the war on drugs will end.

I see your posts TheKid...figured you could yuo some backup now and again from these jackals =D
Have a good day!

good posts freeradical...however im afraid the blind has trouble seeing your logic...but ill burn to that;) good day to you sir!!

hannah: its quite simple. you are correct we have been told 'drugs are bad' since day one. as freeradical points out, even tho all the benefits of industrial hemp are OBVIOUS it remains illegal. simply because they 'dont want to send the wrong message'. yet they tell kids that 'drugs are bad' and then legalize tobacco at 18 and alcohol at 21. we dont think kids know those are drugs?? we dont think kids know those drugs are/can be bad?? WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE IS UNCLE SAM SENDING BY ALLOWING THE TWO DRUGS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THE KILLING TO BE LEGAL WHILE POT, A RELATIVELY HARMLESS AND CERTAINLY NOT A KILLER, ILLEGAL??

if you are someone who doesnt think kids can see the hypocrisy, if you are someone who cant see that unanswered questions are probably responsible for drug use as much as anything then you are blind to whats REALLY going on, ughhh ignorance and hypocrisy...we are not the criminals.

Something else to ponder..you think pot growers and dealers want marijuana legalized? No!!! Then they wouldnt be making any money. If the people supplying the marijuana are agreeing with the government on the fact that no, pot should stay illegal-don't you think it's time to reassess the situation?

Another little fact... Nearly every other industrialized nation in the world grows,produces and exports hemp products. You know why they call it weed? Because it's so easy to grow. Imagine fields of hemp, staying right here at home making our own bio diesel? Food? Clothes? Medicine?

As far as POT goes, not HEMP. Read this...

http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20...
Yeah, that's from Web MD. The chemicals in Marijuana aren't RADIOACTIVE like cigs. And since it's generally not mass produced outside..there's little need for pesticides and herbicides. You know, the dangerous chemicals they spray on tobacco that you end up inhaling? The RADIOACTIVE pesticides that you smoke....Not used on marijuana.
You know what? Go ahead and make the penalties stricter for marijuana. All those who don't get caught? Price goes up.
Already Marijuana, ounce for ounce, is worth more than gold,silver,stones,wheat,barley,corn,soybeans...wait...GOLD! Yeah, it's worth more per weight than GOLD. How is that war on drugs working out for you?
What's that? On average more than HALF the budget for the war on drugs is spent on POT ALONE. Less than 30% is used to lock up heroin,coke,meth etc dealers than potsmokers! Unbeleivable. Good job Uncle sam....
And all you sheep. =D

Good example of why pot should be legalized.
Heroin is terrible, but to lump it next to marijuana is worse. There's black market created for marijuana, as well as heroin. So when your child goes to but a bag of weed, the dealer says "hey, you want to try this?" Or the kid sees it and says "let me try"
By pot being illegal, and drug dealers more likely to deal weed while they are dealing harder drugs...If you really think about it, and look at it under different lights, maybe you'll see fighting the legalization of weed is a losing battle. Did you know the majority of middle and high school kids agree that it is easier to get weed,coke, speed and other drugs than alcohol or cigarettes? Because you can't get alcohol without going through a regulated establishment. And if you sell to an "underager", you might get your license revoked. The deaths from alcohol, the crashes, the pain and suffering we've all seen and agree to, is NOTHING compared to weed. Legalize it. It's only a matter of time. It's a plant. And why is hemp illegal!? It doesnt get you high, and it is by and large one of the most durable crops in the world. You can make closed cycle bio-diesel out of it,clothes out of it, medicines, you name it. And yet this is illegal as well as pot? We import all sorts of hemp products, we can sell the products here, but we can't grow the plant? Are you SERIOUS?
Gotta have a sense of humor about this, don't you think?

anotherlkid" not bad people??"

maybe you should read their wccap!!!

Oh yeah the drugs made them drive drunk MULTI times and get into all sorts of other trouble. or would you like to blame the family instead? CANT be their fault can it.


Like somebody said we have been taught since kindergarten "DRUGS ARE BAD"

cartoons even mention "drugs are bad unkay"

so what part dont these kids understand??

hannah: maybe it is to wear it...but yer missing a point i cleared for billnewbie earlier....the wearing of it comes from the hemp plant, which does not get you high and is still illegal. im wondering what His intent for the marijuana plant is?? a plant btw whose main side effect is the 'high' euphoria. food maybe?? the seed can be eaten...in fact its an extremely cheap source of nutrition. we could feed ALOT of hungry people around the world with peanut butter and other things made from the plant...that grows anywhere...without ANY fertilizer. medicine maybe?? its medicine in 13 states, actually its medicine everywhere, its just recongnized in 13 states. he may have put it here for a source of relaxation. jesus was a sandle wearing carpenter with long hair and a beard. seriously anyone think he DIDNT smoke pot?? all the signs are there. regardless, im told by believers that He had a reason for EVERYTHING he put here. hes all knowing...what did he know about the marijuana plant that we refuse to acknowledge??

justaguy: thats about the best impression ive ever heard of the teacher on charlie brown. bravo sir.

kid"hannah: what do you think was his intent then?? why did he put a plant on earth that gets you high...if not to get high?? is god wrong?? is he not all knowing??"

maybe youre not to eat it just DRESS with it.

do you smoke COTTON?????

these two are not bad people ya they sold drugs they sold drugs to support there habits you are all making it sound like they were some huge drug dealers and all your trash talking is so pathetic i hope something like this hapends to someone you are close to or love and then we will see what you have to say these two came from normal homes probley nicer homes then most of you people talking trash there parents have tried to help them many times but addiction is a horrible thing brandon and amanda i hope you both get better and god be with you

Bad hair day??

thekid: if you'd read my posts a bit closer you'd know why they put me in danger and no I don't do drugs, I don't need it to make my life better and i can relax without the stuff, but anyways they sell drugs to people and i'm sure some of them drive or do other stupid stuff while on these drugs. These people surely haven't done me any good or made the streets any safer by selling these drugs. Anyways kid i'm not going to go round and round with you cuz you never say anything worth listening to "not being rude just the truth" and no i'm not for drinking either unless it could be kept in the house, too many people getting killed by those %$#^&* drunk drivers ... nough said.

im not using god to get pot legal. i dont even think i believe in god...why would i use 'him'?? my life is justification enough that marijuana should be legal. billnewbie and i were having a discussion and he is a believer so i wanted to know why he thought god put the plant on earth. its actually pretty easy to follow. start at the bottom of the page and read up. youll see in typical anti-potter blindness he brings marijuana into the convo, i refute a few of his points, ask a few questions to which i get no answers and he disappears. are you saying that because you cant trust me to not drive while high, is why i cant have the choice to smoke on my couch?? cuz then why do i still have the choice to drink on my couch?? ive proven i cant be trusted with that

just out of curiosity...how did these guys put you in danger?? were you buying from them??

thekid: Now your using God to get your pot legal? as you said many times before in your posts you couldn't handle your drinking and then getting behind the wheel of a car and now you want us to trust you with pot and any others that want it legal and you say you won't get behind the wheel and drive while high? yeah right ... dream on kid.

spunkmeyer" "It's easy for you black-and-white people to judge, condemn, and insult,Y'all can be high and mighty all you want. But it could just as easily be one of your kids or family members.".... Those are just acouple things you said and that's why I made my comment to you. These two people put alot of others in danger, me my son, you and your family ... so once they did that it gave me the right to judge them if I wish to as they would me if I put them in any type of danger. You put me in a category with your statements and I can't say that about them? I have my own ups and downs but i'm not doing drugs or selling them to anyone I can con into buying them just becuz I might be having a bad day. Fix them up get them back to good health but until then they bought their troubles not us people.

hannah: what do you think was his intent then?? why did he put a plant on earth that gets you high...if not to get high?? is god wrong?? is he not all knowing??

the marijuana/cannabis/hemp plant has been used in civilization since the beginning of time with no recorded overdoses. im not necessarily a believer but if i was, well id have to give god the props for the plant. since its medicine, food, clothing, relaxation, and NOT toxic. id think the devil would have a something a little more dangerous in mind. something that could be known as 'the devils poison'...wait isnt that what alcohol has been referred as??

brewcrew420: So what is your point? would you try every seed that is on this planet? as hannah pointed out that is one seed that is not good for the body and that is only one among many others .... ever think that maybe the devil may have planted bad seeds? go try a few if you think all were put on this earth to be eaten.

"Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."
-- Genesis 1:29

kid"and if you have a minute, id love to know your belief on why god put a plant on earth that is as bad as you describe. what was his intent??"

caster bean has a good purpose but DONT eat the seed or it will KILL YOU. God put that there and there are many others. The apple haha. NOt a good argument sorry

yer not blaming the family but they learn it from their parents?? contradict lately??

lifegoeson; I NEVER said I was a better parent than you. Nor did I blame the family. What I said was it boils down to personal resposibility & how do children learn this - from their parents.

justaguy - um...I never said they shouldn't take responsibility for what they've done. And I'm sure they don't care who they sell to. They are trying to feed their addiction. That is all that matters to them. They need help obviously. And I'm not quite sure why out of all the posts listed below you chose MINE to zero in on. But I'm flattered. Really. I was just agreeing with RummageSalesRock. There is no compassion for people who (whether you choose to believe it or not) are SICK. It doesn't matter what age you are, what kind of family you come from, how much money you make. Addiction can hit anyone, anytime.

ahhhh alliebaba your logic cant be seen. adults selling drugs to adults who CHOOSE to consume them. some pay taxes and some dont.

Tiredofhearingit - I am guessing that you do not have to deal with this in your family or would not be so quick to blame the family. We did raise our child right. After they become young adults and are not living in your house like these 2 and my child, you can no longer know what they are doing with every minute of their day. Yes they all made wrong choices and I agree that they should have to be responsible for their actions. If that means jail then I am all for it.(Jail is way better than dead) Yes, we knew something was wrong with our child and have been spending a LOT of time, energy, money and worry trying to help. We have other children who did not choose this path and are productive adults. They were all raised the same. And we were there to talk to them about drugs and alcohol. We do not use either, nor were they ever available in our house. We were strict in their upbringing and were not their "friends", but were their parents. Why do you think that you are a better parent than us??? I just don't understand why you can't have compassion for the families and for the addicts themselves.

spunkmeyer: and where do you think our kids and family members get this stuff from for the first time? from people like this, so save your holier than thou story for someone else, i'm sure these two could care less if it was my kid they sell their crap to ... and maybe mess up his life along the way. If they can get help great but until then keep them in jail before they kill someone.

payton if u read correctly, i said after time sst i would like to see some kind of rehab help. if thats not going anywhere, throw them back. jail will help because the individual will not be contributing to the problem we already have.

lifegoeson; ... but to blame the families and parents is wrong. --- I disagree & I'm sorry if that hurts but its reality. Parents, siblings & friends NEED to watch each other. I know life is busy but time HAS to be taken everyday to talk to kids & "see what's up" It looks like Payton was a friend of hers & she
said this - "Amanda was not always like this and anyone who knows her can say that." --- my point EXACTLY! She didn't become this person overnight.

It's hard to look at that young woman and not feel sorry for her. She would be attractive looking if she cleaned up her act. Perhaps she will use this incident as an opportuninty to make a choice as to what the rest of her life is going to be like.

I've known Amanda since middle school and this shocks me, how sad..

cub-hunter how easily you contradict yourself. You claim that these two "scumbags" should be in jail for a long time yet you say that if it were your son or daughter you would want them off the streets and then put in a rehab facility? why would that be any different for these two? heroin is a very serious drug and can be life altering. These two did not choose this as their life, they got caught up in a problem that they could no longer control. I too, feel bad for the young children that they may have sold heroin to, but it's a cycle..you don't feel bad for them that they were young and sold to? I agree that they need help, but life in jail is not a solution. These two are two people that potentially could contribute to society in a positive way once they are clean. Wouldn't you want that chance given to your child instead of the scrutiny that is put on them by the small minds of Janesville.

i guess i should have differentiated. you are talking about the hemp plant, which does not get you high. why did god put the marijuana plant, which does get you high, on earth?? if not to get high??

It's for making rope, Kid.

I agree everyone is real quick to hide behind there computers and talk trash. If you were to see these two on the streets not knowing this. You would not even think to call them "scumbags" or anything else. Please again people This did not happen to you or your family but I beg for you to be back on here talking just as much trash if this ever happens to you. Amanda was not this girl that everyone has in mind. But her family's deserve a little time, dont ya think? Maybe just chill out on the name calling. No one thinks what they did was right, but regaurdless they have people that are very hurt by this situation.

as long as there are scumbags in the area like these two people, this problem is going to stay in our area. throw them in jail for a long and save a few kids from a lifelong addiction or maybe death. if this was my son or daughter, i would like to see them off the streets and eventually in a rehab center until they are convincingly well enough for society. i feel bad for the familys of the young kids they are selling HEROIN to, not these 2 indivduals. and for "gateway" drug, thats just another stupid excuse like "sickness". im addicted to cigaretts, am i sick? would i steal and scam for a smoke? NO!! bottom line is, put these "sickos" away to save our children, and COMUNICATE with your children.

and if you have a minute, id love to know your belief on why god put a plant on earth that is as bad as you describe. what was his intent??

yer given gfan credit for my wording?? he'd appreciate that altho i woulndt pass the credit to him. i can be as pseudo intelligent as the next cat. i bring the racial reference to highlight just how mad the reefer madness has been. and if you REALLY think deeper, you will see the gateway theory is thisclose to that insanity. its a ladder. individuals go up as high, no pun intended, as they want. some stop at alcohol. some at pot. some do more. whatever drugs they use before hand DO NOT play in their decision on whether they should shoot this or snort that. some never get on the ladder. but see how this circles back to personal freedoms?? you acknowledge, in the gateway theory, that alcohol is also a gateway, well then why do i have the choice to consume a drug that kills thousands every year but i cant choose to consume a drug that doesnt kill thousands every year, and in fact has medical benefits??

and as for your 'free weed then heroin' STORY. seriously billnewbie, i appreciate the convo as always, but do you REALLY thing that heroin dealers would BUY weed to give away for FREE just to make a few bucks HOPING they come back for heroin?? im guessing you know the bible better than marketing. you also, as ive said before, are about as naive to the REAL drug world as i am about the bible. the people, or dealers, at this level dont re-sell drugs for profit nearly as much as they do to get their stuff for free. its the large scale dealers that make the profit. and the large scale guys arent gonna give give you a pound of pot so you come back and buy 200 grams of heroin. your scenario isnt even plausible.

you must have missed my question before, mr newbie. have you ever gotten high on marijuana??

Everyone hides behind their computer screens and are quick to comment about people that they don't even know. Amanda was not always like this and anyone who knows her can say that. Everyone can criticize these people but in reality they are not acknowledging the growing problem that Janesville has with drugs, especially heroin. It is not the trashy people on the streets you may have imagined in your head, it is son's and daughters of teachers, lawyers, doctors, police officers etc., they are good students, play sports, and the last people you would have imagined this happening to. Yes, these two contributed to the problem but, at the same time, they were doing this to support their own problem. Everyone has issues in their lives and some people unfortunately go down the wrong path to try and deal with their issues. Nearly half of Janesville youth either already have a problem with heroin/drugs or soon will...I think everyone commenting should be thinking about how they would feel if it were their brother/sister, son/daughter, grandson/granddaughter, nephew/niece, etc. which could easily be the next one in the paper, so instead of taking the time to criticizes I would consider what you could do to help prevent this from happening to someone you know/love. And for those who do not think it is a sickeness...wait until it hits home.

Kid, I can think of one reason heroin dealers would still sell or even give away legal marijuana, because it introduces people to getting "high". After a while, when the marijuana "high" isn't as good as it used to be, many of these new customers may be convinced by their dealers to try something stronger, which the dealers may sell as just like moving up from a kiddie roller-coaster to "The Bobs". And yes, for the same reasons alcohol can be a gateway drug too.

Calling the gateway rationale a "gutter" idea and bringing up some outrageous racial element for comparison is just your way of rationalizing an excuse not to seriously consider the idea. The gateway rationale is a valid consideration as so many heroin and cocaine dealers attest to with their trafficking in it. That's a fact that you can't easily spin away no matter how many absurd contentions you create. But I had to laugh at Gazettefan's obvious influence on your evolving posting style (i.e. my "limited thought processes").

As long as we are all human, there will always be the superior card played, and if it makes all of you people feel better about yourselves and allows you to pat yourself on the back for thinking addiction is a 'choice', well, then good for you, and you should be so thankful for the wonderful lives you have all led that prevented you from getting involved in this 'choice'. I wish that I could be that cold and turn the truth of the matter off, but apparently I am not as superior as you are, and it breaks my heart to see a person's life become worth so little to oneself that they think that poison is the only way out. And no, this doesn't happen only to families with uninvolved parents. Statistically, probably yes, but addiction has no limits....it touches the lives of all walks of life. When mental instability becomes a part of a persons day to day living the only thing on their mind is how to self medicate, and that is usually how all of this starts. I wish for once people could see that a person doesn't CHOOSE to be sad, it is a consequence of something in their environment, and not everyone has the strength to seek professional help....after all, have you ever heard the phrase, we are only human? Humans make mistakes.

in fact billnewbie...id bet a years wages that more coke is done when peeps are drinking alcohol than when they are high on pot. way more. in your opinion, should alcohol be considered a gateway drug??

billnewbie. contrary to the way you post, you are not the smartest person in the world, and id assume other peeps noticed too that these people were dealing marijuana. it is written in the story after all. i assume those who read that, even the anti-potters, know that 1+1 does not equal 3. i will explain this to you AGAIN. please try to follow along with the rest of the class. of course heroin/coke dealers are also going to deal marijuana. does the class know why?? cuz its an illegal substance with profit to be made. seriously, do you think if alcohol was illegal these people would be selling that to anyone who wanted to buy it?? have you ever heard of al capone?? if uncle sam would get his head out of his keester and allow responsible adults the option to smoke pot, as they allow the option to drink alchol, these people would have had NO reason to also sell marijuana. at least i cant think of any. can you billnewbie??

as for gateway drug?? please. you have what appears to be limited thought process. gateway theory is the oldest most gutter idea for anti-pot as i can think of. other than the one that said we needed to ban it so the white chics didnt want to have sex with black men. seriously thats something that was said about pot. IF pot leads to harder drugs, why do we blame that drug and not the others?? ban caffeine so no one wants nicotine. ban nicotine so no one wants to try alcohol. ban alcohol so no one uses pot. ban pot so no one uses any other drugs. they are not gateways they are steps in the drug ladder. when each individual decides to get off the ladder, well, is up to the individual. someone posted earlier that this guy has a couple drunk drivings. why dont you blame the alcohol for the choices these people made?? i bet if i asked 100 people who have used marijuana/pot/coke a LARGE majority would say the harder drug use is more frequently caused by being drunk and not having the right frame of mind to make the proper choice.

billnewbie: have you EVER gotten high on marijuana??

lifegoeson - My heard goes out to you. Good luck to you and your family.

I do believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I believe that the kids who are getting involved with these drugs are the ones that should face their reposibilities, but to blame the families and parents is wrong. Unless you know for a fact that it is the parents fault you should not just assume that they did not know where their kids were or let them walk the streets. This just is not the case. These drugs are delivered right to their houses, all the person needs is a cell phone and to go outside for 30 seconds. Can you honestly say you know where your child (or young adult) is for every second of their day. I am just saying don't be so quick to judge unless you have been involved with someone who uses.
I do not know these two, but it sounds as if people who do think they need to be in jail, so I am glad that they were caught and hope they do get a stiff sentence. I just also feel bad for them and their families.

I seem to be the only one so far who noticed that these heroin dealers also deal marijuana (as every story about heroin and cocaine dealers on the Gazette seem to). We've been told time and time again by marijuana promoters writing on these comment boards that marijuana is not a gateway drug. Yet cocaine dealers and heroin dealers always seem to have marijuana for sale as well. We've also been told that marijuana dealers aren't the violently murderous kind of dealers that heroin and cocaine dealers are. Yet these dealers all seem to deal whatever drugs are available, marijuana included. So I guess this story is either just yet another isolated instance of heroin dealers who happen to coincidentally deal marijuana too, or the marijuana advocates are horribly wrong about what they want to believe about their favorite drug and the people they buy it from.

I thought the article said they were "dealers", not "addicts". No sympathy from me.

Wait typo .I DO NOT agree with what they did. I will say it again I DO NOT AGREE!I am sorry with any other typo in here. I was in a hurry.

See the problem is that, if it has never happend to you, you have no clue what it has done to the family. You can not say that the family was un-involved cause I mean really do you know that for sure or is it wha tyo usaw while sitting that high up. Yes being in jail is the best thing fort them and I agree Brandon is a very dirty person who would do anything for a buck. But the part about Amanda'a teeth. Well that is as far fromt the truth as you can get. I do agree with what they did. I do think that yes they got what they deserved. I also think that maybe. Just maybe we could have alittle compassion for these families as they try to figure out what went wrong and beat themselves up at the thought of them failing as parents. You dont have to agree with what they did. No one does. Just try to keep there families in mind as you bash these 2

"quit" not "quite" - sorry

2 words: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY & that begins at home.

involvedparent; if she were your kid you wouldnt be "mortified" - your name says it all. You would have caught it BEFORE it got to this. People need to get involved with your kids & quite letting them grow up on the streets so to speak.

Nobody's asking you to have sympathy, Pete -- you can go on being as cold and callous as you want. The question for the state is whether drug treatment works in preventing future criminal behavior, and while no system or approach is perfect, clearly it does. Treatment and prevention is much lesss expensive to society than longer and more frequent incarceration. A pragmatic evaluation is that drug treatment should be part of the criminal justice process if indeed the purpose is to prevent as much future criminal behavior as possible.
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Again, nobody is asking you to act like you care. Caring or despising are really not something that should figure into these decisions at all, but it is quite popular for people to act out pretty extreme hatred for criminals on message boards. I'm not sure why this is.
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Certainly I'm someone who experienced a criminal assault and I believe the person who assaulted me should be punished (if they could be found), but I don't feel the need to show everyone how much better I am than he is. The evidence is pretty clear-cut.

Brandon is a heartless person who would sell drugs to his own mother if she was on her death bed dying of a drug overdose if it ment that he would make a dollar. As far as Amanda goes she is right up there as well. Both of these people (who I do know personally) did this to themselves and should go to jail for a very long time. Brandon has been selling drugs for years and finally they got him. THANK YOU JPD.

I am living this life right now. Our child has overdosed on heroin 3 times that I am aware of. This life is HELL. I hope these 2 get real help along with their jail time so they have the possibility of a normal life. We did not raise our child to get involved in drugs and have done our best to help. Everyone assumes these kids came from horrible backgrounds, but I am telling you that is not always the case. We need to commend the police for trying to get these drugs off our streets and away from our kids. This is a HUGE deal in our community, and you cannot assume your kids are safe. I am sure this arrest won't make a dent in the availability of Heroin in our community. From what I have learned in the last few years most of it is coming from Rockford and the Janesville Police do not have jurisdiction there. I wish I knew the answer to this problem. For now we will just keep helping our child and having compassion for everyone who gets involved with this drug. You are right, the first times ARE Stupid, but after that it is VERY hard to stop on their own. Calling them names and making fun of their appearance will not make the problem go away. It only makes you feel superior.

You don't think the person dealing should be held responsible for the users own stupidity for doing drugs? Dealing drugs is just as stupid, if not more stupid considering the consequences and penalties are much more stiff. If you deal drugs to someone and they overdose and die, you should 100% be accountable. The frickin dealer is the worst one of them all!!!!!

These people are dealing heroin and I should to feel guilty for making a joke about her hair.

I think Rummage is dead on. You won't understand until you've been through it yourself or watched a loved one struggle with addiction. It's easy for you black-and-white people to judge, condemn, and insult, but what if it was someone that you loved? People don't do heroin cuz they're happy-go-lucky folks. They use to escape. Y'all can be high and mighty all you want. But it could just as easily be one of your kids or family members.

I agree that compassion is needed. BUT, sometimes compassion is telling those you love that what they are doing is wrong, destructive, killing themselves, and in this case when dealing drug--killing others. If this was my daughter or son, I wouldn't stop loving them, I'd be there to support them but never would I start feeding them excuses for their addiction. I wouldn't let them give me the cop out of having a 'sickness'. True compassion would have the intent of helping the person get their life back under control. That sometimes means it's hard, it's not pretty and not always polite.

I'm glad they are off the streets, but I do agree some compassion is needed. If she were my daughter I would be mortified. She looks like she once was a very pretty girl. Too bad she tried drugs the first time. I'm looking at her from a mother's point of view and thinking "what if that were my daughter". I hope and pray that these two learn from this and can turn their lives around...odds are against them.

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One more thing....I disagree with the states law of charging a person who contributed the drugs that resulted in an over dose. Just as someone who willingly gets into a car with a drunk driver. The person ingests these drugs on their own, and I don't think another person should be help responsible for their stupidity. Charged for dealing yes, but involuntary manslaughter, etc...., I think isn't right. JMO

You can't be serious here, what if your child bought drugs from these two and Overdosed, would you still feel the same way? I certainly would hope you would see this for what it is, dealing Heroin (A drug that is not always the same in its strength or purity)is like dealing POISON!!!! Think of it in that way and see if you still don't agree with this law...... It probably won't matter in the end though as the D.A will probably let them plee this out with probation or some sort of defered prosecution program that will just end up with the two serving a few years of probation, even though they have now admitted Janesville and the area has a Heroin problem. Guess what we will continue to have a Heroin problem until we start prosecuting these people up to the fullest extent of the law, manditory prison sentences are in order here!!

mymaro~I completely agree!! I get so tired of hearing that drugs addicts have a 'sickness'. As if what they choose to do to themselves compares to a person with cancer or other REAL illness. They brought this upon themselves, maybe if we'd all stop be being so PC about and call it what it is, they'd quite finding excuses and clean up their acts. But we keep feeding them sympathy for their 'sickness' -- why would they quit?

bbwil: I'll say as I wish .... i'm sure they could have cared less if they would have tried to sell their drugs to my kid .... so why don't you go try to find a life.

looks like she may have tried her own stash ...

One more thing....I disagree with the states law of charging a person who contributed the drugs that resulted in an over dose. Just as someone who willingly gets into a car with a drunk driver. The person ingests these drugs on their own, and I don't think another person should be help responsible for their stupidity. Charged for dealing yes, but involuntary manslaughter, etc...., I think isn't right. JMO

I am guessing these two were sleeping when the search took place, that's usually when they do them. I have to admit that they both aren't the most attractive, but really, are any of us in the morning?? LOL. Too bad their short lives have come to this. And yes, this is a sickness, mental or other. Until ones experiences this personally or from having a loved one addicted, they will never understand that, and I don't blame them, because I once was that way too, until addiction touched our family's lives. It is a very sad thing to watch. Hopefully JAIL sucks enough that they won't want to return.

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I think it's called the Medusa hairstyle.
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lOOKS TO ME SHE STUCK HER FINGER IN A LIGHT SOCKET .

hannah, try reading before you post, i did a search of this page before posting this, "short" was used only twice, both times by you. AND FEELING FOR FELLOW HUMANS... Lots of things lead to the drugs, happy health (mind and body) people dont wake up and decide, LETS PUT CRAP in my veins! sounds like a blasT!

You have to wonder if he is the dealer any of the people who have died from overdoses purchased their drugs from...

Sad sad sad...She was a really cute girl at one time.Drugs and drinking always make people look older than their true years.Amanda my hope for you is ....you can straighten out your life and find your way back to being that good person you once were.Best of luck and thoughts to the family.
OMG...I HATE what this is doing to our young kids/people in this town !!!!!

While I understand that this is a HUGE DEAL and that everyone is allowed their own opinion. We do not have to make fun of the way she looks. I mean really this has nothing to do with her looks. These are 2 indivuals with families that have to deal with enough embarassment. I'm sure they were not raised to be "these" people but it is what they turned into. The best thing for them is this time in jail and maybe then they will get the help they need. People are very quick to judge when it is not them on the other side of this. Yes it is a huge problem in our " not so big" community but the harsh words words about their looks are not really what is important.

What are you talking about?? LOL I am not a part of the problem. I do not think what they are doing/did is OK because they are sick. The addiction is the sickness, not the initial drug use. Ya THAT was stupid stupid stupid.
I do not have compassion for these people as drug dealers but as people in general. They don't deserve to be ridiculed and have their personal appearance criticized. No one does. How lame and immature can we get?!
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Instead of ripping on them and being so completely negative, how about thinking positively and being grateful they are off the streets.

I think it's called the Medusa hairstyle.

God that "sickness" excuse makes me want to puke. Like hannah said, the drugs didnt put themselves in these losers bodies, THESE TWO DID!!!!!!! Its people like you , bbwil with your "sickness" defense, that are part of the problem. People like this know that they can do whatever they want and itll be ok because they have a "sickness".

Get the guy off the road before he kills somebody drunk driving or under substance. 2 before he was even 21. PLUS accidents and shouldnt drive but does. Just waiting for another one and could kill somebody.

Where are the blame it on somebody else people. Oh yes we already have one blamming it on the drugs. you chose to do drugs and drive drug. nobody made you.

yea it is real funny all the drugs they deal to people. this isnt a new thing for her.

Whoever said her record was short. what do you mean by short? under a whole page or over like hers. WOW. She is only 22.

I thank GOD these people are off the streets and we have 2 less dealers in town. But they are human beings with a very serious illness, drug addiction, you people who think it's funny to sit and make fun of their personal appearance are just lame-o jerks. GET A LIFE.

To the families of these two, you are lucky they are still alive. I'm praying that they turn their lives around, get help, and stay sober. Jail may be the very best thing for them right now. My brother is 4 months clean and we never thought we'd see this day!

nice hair. did we wake you . they dont use a BIG mirror silly.

almost 3 ounces of weed...in Rock County thats a crime wave!

ment to say "as long" not "a long" for her court record...

LONG record on wisconsin court search for him.. not a long for her... all around a very sad situation. i found her myspace page, she HAD lots of great plans.... and a better picture!

She's probably using her mirror for her other habits.

my gosh look at that hairdo!lol

That was good stuff sannio.

Look in the mirror? It probably took her hours to get her hair just so.

Do any of these people ever look in the mirror? Do they own a mirror?