3:25@ 3:16AM I have no further meats or anything..... Screw whatever is going on there is nothing that is law abiding law-suit worthy!!!!! as of 09/29/2009

love the midwest: Um, excuse me, but last time I checked when I use FMLA I have to use benefit time that I EARNED! Just like you earn benefit time at your place of employment. It would be MY SICK TIME, MY EARNED VACATION TIME OR LEAVE WITHOUT PAY!!!! How does that come out of your pocket??? Get the facts right before you babble any more. How is granting same sex couples costing you $$? IT'S NOT! I paid the fees to register, and all the benefits, albeit not enough, that come with it are no COST TO YOU.... Get over it!!!!!

So Wow did this go off topic!

whythink, who are you to say that it must be two guys, two girls or 1 of each? If we are redefining marriage then what about 1 guy and two girls, or 3 or 5? How about 3 guys and 2 girls? Why do you discriminate against polyamorous relationships if they love each other? Who are you to put limits on who may marry and to what?

In addition, for all of those in favor of that, "smaller government," what is the current government doing in the marriage business?
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The government should recognize civil unions (man, man; women, women; man, women) and let religion determine what is and isn't a marriage.
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The government should have nothing to do with "marriage" because that has become a religous term.
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Simple solution, the government focuses on civil unions, that can be done by a church as a marriage (for the religous people) or the state. Churches are given the choice, like now, of who they will or won't 'marry'.
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If a gay couple finds a church that will marry them, God Bless, they can be married and that marriage will be recognized as a civil union by the state.
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The state and church can work together while remaining seperate. Unlike now, where the church as hijacked marriage as a christian ceremony that the state will recognize only with the churches, "OK."
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Again, many people debating this topic make the mistake of focusing on the SEX part of marriage or long-term commitment.
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I have been married 10 years and I can say that sex is a small part of that marriage. That does not define our relationship and most people in marriages are in the same situation.
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A marriage is a life-time bond that goes way beyond the bedroom. 2 guys, 2 girls or 1 of each, a marriage, or civil union is less about sex and more about a commitment and love that does not die.
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Stop worrying about the bedroom and look at the people being discriminated against.

"Whenever we take away the liberties of those whom we hate we are opening the way to loss of liberty for those we love." -- Wendell L. Wilkie (1892-1944)

justaskme - I'm a biased weirdo? You must have been looking in the mirror when you wrote that one.

I don't care if you hate someone -- that's your business. But if you deny them rights, that's evil.

People have different beliefs and opinions but don't characterize them as hate.

15yearsthere...Don't stop with the life preserver argument, tell the next openly gay couple you run into what you really think. Not here on the website, in person. Tell them that you are not going to sell them a cheeseburger, or whatever else you sell for a living. Better yet, tell them they lack moral character, and they they are going to to hell. For good measure, add a few swear words to make your point how you really feel.
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The law protects people from the actions of avowed racists and bigots who violate civil rights. Furthermore, I expect that the gay couple would sue the living crap out of anyone who crosses the line, and rightfully so. That is because federal law does not allow bigots to violate basic civil rights. Those who get really nasty, and violate hate crime law risk criminal prosecution - and rightfully so.

'jesus never mentioned homosexuality but he also never mentioned sex with dogs, children or pottery but that doesn't mean it should be a norm in society'. ummmmm...what?? those are the same as being gay??

This message goes out to 15yearsthere - Throw out a virtual life preserver for NewEagleWings, really? First of all, I wouldn't be surprised if the management of this paper is posting some of the controversial posts on this blog. I mean it's no secret that the Gazette leans to the Right. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. This individual may not be "hating" but they sure do have a strong opinion about this story, which I might add most of you aren't even talking about anymore. Everyone gets caught up in their "so-called" values and their dislike for one political party or another. Isn't that what this is all about anyway? One party doesn't care for the others opinions so they come on here to force their opinions on everyone else. I mean that's what NewEagleWings is upset about, tax dollars being spent. What you and many others don't realize is that a high percentage of the gay population is gainfully employed and has their own health insurance. Remember, we only make up 10% of the population. So how much welfare and tax dollars are the rest of the 90% using? I think it gets to be a little ridiculous when people start making accusations about something they know little or nothing about. I've said once and I'll say it again, a little education goes a long way. I for one am sick of it. We had 8 years of a Republican President who did nothing but push his own agenda and now that we have our President in place you don't like it. I only hope Obama keeps his promises to the gay community.

Lastly, if you don't like what's happening in your community, state or country, do something about it. You all have the opportunity to run for public office in some shape or form. Stop ranting and raving about how you dislike everything and do something meaningful with your lives.

Dear evanvillehousewife,
you know better than to think Christians believe or teach that. You are blending jewish ceremonial laws, civil laws, moral laws and customs into one pot and trying to apply it to Christians. I have already addressed this.

Romans 1 and 2 also address homosexuality and never calls for anyone to be killed but it's definitely a sin according to scripture. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality but he also never mentioned sex with dogs, children or pottery but that doesn't mean it should be a norm in society. Sins are to be punished or forgiven by God but sin is never a pattern for living.

I have a gay friend whom I love, LOVE! He's been my friend for 35 years, we disagree on this topic and it doesn't change our friendship. His arguments are well thought out and I still disagree with him. Your arguments are the same worn out smoke screens, you attack the person instead of framing a good argument.

15years, anyone else who missed it, - check the smiley after the period, THEN reread the sentence. it's a joke & slam.... "I hate all people (a sweeping generalization) who make sweeping generizations".... It's a slam against all the self righious negative replys to a great law that brings more of us the mainstream rights which most of the rest of us enjoy. Now more of us rightly belong.

Congratulations to all of you who have taken advantage of the change in law to extend priviledge and benefits to your partners. Enjoy your rights as U.S. Citizens and residents of the great State of Wisconsin. I think it is good that those who are having difficulty with this are questioning and examining their values. It is the first step towards tolerance and acceptance. If they cannot accept it, sobeit.

lovethemidwest - Thanks for the compliment! My lab is extremely smart!

NewEagleWings - don't bother trying to argue with Bealab - you're up against one biased wierdo.

Vatoloco- how can you be a christian and still believe that women are not property that should wear head coverings and be one of a harem? After all, both are mandated in the bible. As are not eating shellfish, pigs, and various other foods. Have you taken the seven grains that include spelt and quinoa and baked bread lately?
Hve you sacrificed a sheep or bull lately? No? You sir, are no Christian! you are not doing as the Bible says! Remember, only the book of Leviticus mentions homosexuality. Jesus NEVER spoke on the matter aside from telling others how to treat their neighbors. As they would love themselves, if I recall correctly.

The gazette should throw out some virtual life preservers before someone drowns in the hypocrisy contained in some these opinions/comments.
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I see some attacks on NewEagleWings, accusing him/her of spreading "hate" (or feeling hate,or being first in line to sign up for guard duty at a concentration camp!!??).Hate is an emotion correct? Lets all look for the emotional words used by him/her.
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"immoral"- not hate
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"sickening the heart of God"-not hate
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"sad" (3 times)-not hate
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So where is the hate?

I hate ALL people who make sweeping generalizations! :)

This is a joke ! What is the world coming to ???

It is not a sexual preference, it is not a sexual choice. It is a sexual orientation. As far as "where do the come from? they can't reproduce" Freddog, we come from people like you. that is why so many gay people have problems, so many were raised by people like you. as for they can't reproduce, Really? my lover has 4 children from a previous marriage. I am a member of a religion, and I cringe everytime someone calls me a christian. I, in no way, want to be affiliated with the hate mongering and bigotry espoused by so many church goers. By the way, all you married straight men who hang out in the parks, and porno shops looking for relief, need to think about what you are doing and why? Maybe, you are really gay yourself

neweaglewings talks about the 8 year old who didnt know if she was gonna marry a boy or a girl...and they actually use that as an example to the end of family values. wow. how do you discuss anything with that mentality?? as if an 8 year old has any idea what marriage between a man and a woman or a woman and a woman means?? silly. i think its a prime example of how we are TAUGHT to hate but id be interested in knowing who's fault it is when my 7 year old says he wants to marry his mommy when he grows up??

People saying all you christians are almost as bad... Im a christian and Im far from anti gay. I hate people who say christians stop hating. Im not, alot are not.

freddog, they come from heterosexual parents. People like you raised them

Lovethemidwest - FMLA is not guaranteed paid. That depends on time off provided by your employer.

Christians should keep their beliefs to themselves...period....enough of the hate - treat others as you want to be treated regardless of their sexuality.

And for the love of Christ, stop dropping Biblical quotations on this board. If we all want to meet a compromise, we can't use non sensical mumbo jumbo and can only use measurable, tangible thoughts and logic. Otherwise I will assume you understand that my God (let's say, the Flying Spaghetti Monster) will smite you if you don't agree with me!!!!

Institute for the Scientific Investigation of Sexuality = Colorado's Family Research Institute notorious for it's far right agenda and the other referral = an equally right-wing Catholic group.

I read some statistics but saw no point regarding this article.

vatoloco: I think the source site of your information speaks volumes about the statistics promoted. Bigotry can be alive and well in the seemingly most righteous places.

prounion, you quote a verse written to ancient Israel of 3000 years ago where the highest form of punishment was death. The girl was being punished for lying and dishonoring her family and a business agreement. It was a time when wives were bought with animals. It's a period long gone, in America anyway.

In the letter of 1 Corinthians (New Testament) there was a man mentioned who was having sex with his mother-in-law, there was no call for him to be executed, only to be excommunicated. The highest form of punishment in the church is excommunication.

Homosexuality and lying are still condemned and in no way are expected to be normative in society. God loves us in spite of the fact that we are sinners but his love doesn't negate morality and responsibility to his commandments.

You people attack those of us that disagree with this yet what are you doing? YOURE ATTACKING SOMEONE WHO DOESNT AGREE WITH YOU!! Its ok for YOU to do it but not the rest of us? Hypocrisy at its finest.

"Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." – Mahatma Gandhi

eileenkrysiak made my point for me. Now with this crap WE will be paying for their choices. If their "partner" gets ill they can take family medical leave. Thats FMLA and its paid. By who? The employer. Thus the costs will be transfered to ALL of us.

and Bealab, youre obviously as smart as a labrador. I dont care if people are homosexual or heterosexual. I DO CARE about having to pay for their choices.

Maxdetail-you left out the most important detail: there is a victim involved.

There are no victims in loving relationships.
(and before you leave out another detail to try to prove a point-I would like to point out I said 'loving' relationship.)

The Divine word must be followed:
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Deuteronomy 22:23-24 (King James Version)

23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

I suppose it depends on your definition of christianity.
Does your god want you to judge others and hate, or does your god want you to know and teach love and compassion?

Back to the subject at hand: human rights-does anyone think this is a step in the right direction or maybe it stops here?

There is another article in the paper drawing some responses. A gay man who molested underage boys. The pro-same-sex argument says the bottom line is 'consent'. Those against say the activity is immoral. We all agree that the molester is immoral. Yet he is only practicing his sexual preference. Here are the arguments from this thread applied to a pedophile:

"I'm sure this gay man would like to be legally married to these young people and be able to express his love and commitment as well as receive the benefits of marriage that anyone else can have."

"Why must people be such haters, we should live and let live."

"All judging is to be done by Our Father in Heaven, remember, Judge not lest ye be judged? (Matthew 7: 1-5) Or, let he who is without sin cast the first stone? (John 8:7). You're kind of missing the whole point of "love thy brother."

"I don't care about anyone's sexual preference. I don't talk about mine & I don't want to hear about yours."

"It doesn't matter what sex your prefer. Grow up all of you and respect each other and their decisions."

"This gay man may have low self-esteem. Unfortunately, that's probably due to the discrimination and hate from the so-called Christians, republicans, and conservatives in our state that don't realize that BASIC human rights should be extend to all human beings."

You see, preference does matter. Every individual can proclaim what they think is right and wrong but without a basis, a foundation that is outside ourselves then we live on one long slippery slope.

The pedophile has a sexual preference that is still deemed abhorrent and anti-social, thank the Jewish and Christian Scriptures for that; yet many of you feel those who believe the Scriptures are the basis for morality deserve to be hated.

"Judge not", "live and let live" are nice sentiments but bad practice, they don't give us freedom, only license.

Bealab-How can you call yourself a Christian and yet have one foot in believing that homosexuality is ok?

That last post is pathetic. Oppressed? Puleeze!!!!!! I thought the right wingers were the ones always saying the victim mentality is what is wrong with our country over the last eight years. Now that you aren't in power, you are constantly whining about how badly you are treated. Grow up.

Well not just christianity but also the rest of the imaginary friend in the sky superstitions.

vatoloco - I don't think anyone is saying that Christianity needs to be eliminated. We'd just like Christians to start ACTING like Christians and stop picking and choosing which Bible verses they want to follow and which they don't. I have no problem with Christians. I'm just not too fond of the kind of Christian that persecutes others based on archaic Bible verses that support the laws of ancient civilization.

NewEagleWings;

This is only the beginning of the deterioration of our country and the family structure. Its phony that that some of these folks get offended when you criticize a transvestite or a predator criminal but its ok for them to openly bash Christians. Liberalism at its best. Madison is the haven for liberals.

Any religion or religious person who believes or teaches that there are moral consequences for sin, is the enemy of Liberalism and must be oppressed. Thus for the collectivist Liberal bent on imposing socialism upon a nation, Christianity is the number one enemy above all other enemies. Christianity must be eliminated..

Many gay couples are asking for marriage and this is the plan that was put into effect instead. So those saying-all they want is benefits-these benefits are all that are offered. I'm sure gay couples would like to be legally married and be able to express their love and committment as well as receive the benefits of marriage that anyone else can have.
It's a start. I hope things will progress from here thought.

Why doesn't everyone suggest removal of NewEagles post? They are hateful! If I was gay and read all the negative post on here, I would probably go back in the closet or worse end it all!! These negative post make me cry. I'll bet neweagle would never post his or her real name, but he/she can sit and type all the hateful words they want, most of us posters know you are an idiot.

NewEagleWings: You are such a hypocrite. You make a comment about racism on another article and here you are basically doing the same thing. Nice.

When all of you closed-minded, haters want to have a decent, adult conversation about this let me know. This has nothing to do with recognition of our relationships. This has to do with being treated as equals. You all make a lot of brash assumptions about me, my lifestyle and you know nothing about me. Once again, why would I choose to be discriminated against by the likes of you?

Let me just say this, MY God is definitely the same God as YOURS and this one God did not put you on earth to judge me. In the end we'll all be judged the same way; what will you have done with your life? Would god approve of you spreading hate?

As for JB VanHollen, he is nothing but a puppet for the haters and his future political aspirations are motivating every thing he says and does. When Domestic Partnerships was put in the budget it was checked out very thoroughly to make sure it was legal. Once again if you had done some research you'd already know that, but you would rather run your mouths than learn something on your own. Anyway, time to move on.

1 Corinthians 7:29-31 (English Standard Version)
29This is what I mean, brothers:(A) the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, 30and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy(B) as though they had no goods, 31and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For(C) the present form of this world is passing away.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (New King James Version)
34 Let your[a] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.

I hate how its always said "all you christians with yoru hate" Its not all. Its some. Im christian and I dont have any kind of a problem with Gay people.

Nothing but a grab for benefits -- the rest can be done via a legal contract. And how does "divorce" work under this "registry" system? Just more money for the lawyers.

The WI Attorney General is right -- this issue has already been decided by a general vote and the "registry" is just an underhanded way of going around the vote, supported by the exiting (thank the Universe) moron-in-chief train dreamer Doyle.

Ditto with the WI state benefits for same-sex couples that "our" knot-head governor supported in the midst of an economic recession, while at the same time "furloughing" state workers because of budgetary shortfall issues. Explain that dichotomy (if you can)!

I don't care what you do sexually, and I find no great "God forbids" biblical argument in all of this, but just because a population subset wants some sort of validation of (and benefits for) their aberrant behaviors (sorry, it's the truth) doesn't mean they deserve it, or that laws should be changed to accommodate every lobbied-for abnormal behavioral quirk in existence.

You're gay and out -- okay, congrats, but so what? At least you can have a great time at Club Impulse while all the closets out there can only dream about it! Just don't expect society to celebrate or buy into (literally) your "lifestyle" AND to pay for your benefits because you can't manage to break the stereotypical male-female role models (boo it you like, you know it's true!).

I'm sure if they had their way, that's exactly where homosexuals would be. Why do I have the feeling that NewEaglesWings, truth1, and lovethemidwest would be the first ones in line to sign up for guard duty?

My partner of 11 years and I filed 2 days after we were able to, then picked up our copy and had is "registered" with the Rock County Register of Deeds office. What a happy day! No, it's not as good as having the same rights as "married" couples but it's a start. At lease now I can use family medical leave should my partner become ill and need my help. To all who spoke up here either as gay or as a straight ally thank you! To those of you who spew the bible hate crap, whatever higher power there is will, I'm sure, forgive you. When you meet your maker you'll see that none of this matters in the afterlife. Live and let live. I don't really care what you think of me. My partner and I are homeowners, taxpayers and citizens of rock county...just like you! I work in a public safety environment, does the fact that I'm gay mean you don't want me to save your life given the opportunity? I can't even begin to say enough on this subject and to express my disappointment with those that seek to push us back. I always joke that if they had their way, the Republicans and Right Wingers would force us all into concentration camps!

Finally, if you are so sure that homosexuals are going to Hell, why do you even care? If, for one minute, you actually think your hateful comments are going to make homosexuals suddenly realize they shouldn't be gay, you're more ignorant than I imagined. If anything, you not only turn off the so-called sinners you are trying to save but also the heterosexuals who think organized religion is populated with hate spewing Christians like you! Leave homosexuals alone. Believe that they are doomed to Hell and let it be. Then, go back and worship YOUR God, who is definitely NOT my God.

Please, Jesus. Protect me from your followers.

I'm for the separation of church and HATE!

NewEagleWings - One more time. Homosexuals are NOT born that way. If you would ever take the time to actually SPEAK to one, you might know the truth. I am so sick and tired of you so-called Christians who are filled with nothing but hate. You choose to concentrate on archaic Bible verses that are based on the ancient laws of the time. How about focusing on the universal, timeless Bible verses such as "Love one another as I have loved you." I'll tell you what is sickening God - hateful, bigoted, hypocritical people like you who project hatred in the name of God. Look up the definition of a Christian - "one who manifests the quality and spirit of Jesus Christ". Then, reread your last post. That certainly is NOT you!

NewEagleWings- You ARE the person that I warn my children about. Have you never heard of the division of church and state? Your selective knowledge of the bible is simply nothing more than a screen you hide behind to spew your hatred. You are a Christian? So you know the difference between the New and Old Testaments? Ok- when Jesus left, he left us but 2 commandments- what were they? 1. That we put no God above our Father in Heaven, and, 2. That we love our neighbor as our brother, and, he explained that within those 2 commandments all of his father's commandments will be followed. Christ was about love. Forgiveness. And, FYI: I have told my children that they could marry any one they would like. My son and daughter (3 & 5) BOTH want to marry the neighbor boy. LOL. I don't think that means they WILL, but, to me, that means that I have done something right as a mother, and, as a Christian... Love is never wrong. When my older daughter (11) was asked the sex of an acquaintance, she didn't hesitate and said, "Well, he is a boy that was accidentally born into the body of a girl. A doctor is going to fix it for him." Very simple, concise, to the point. Proud mom. Lastly, you do know that there are homosexuals in the animal world, right? Remember the 2 male penguins that made life commitments to one another?

All these peoplw who play the "god card" Im christian but I have never seen "Love thy neighbor...well not the gay ones" Or Hate the sin not the sinner...but hat teh gays" Or "dont judge...unless they are gay"
Ill tell you one thing, Id rather have my kid raised by a gay couple who knows more about Loving others and not judging others, rather than someone that judges them based on what they are told to think.
Yes Im a christian BUT it is NOT my job to judge others. Im pretty sure not YOURS either.

What is immoral is now legal. Words like "gay" and new laws passing or not passing, those of us who would live according to God's word know very well the words homosexual and they were not born that way, nor should they have custody of any children and live "under God" in our country. I have seen homosexual couples "IN" churches, behind pulpits and though they really do believe they are living free and coming out as they say? They are sickening the heart of God and it is very sad that our country has compromised and accepted this and still looks for more ways to be "fair" or give them equal rights as couples of same sex relationships.
The really sad thing is, this life style is paraded in front of our children and one little 8 year old girl in school said she did not know if she would marry a girl or boy when she grew up. The end of family values and the beginning of God's judgment on all who would ignore His word and His laws. Very sad that this city has so many people accepting this kind of same sex arrangement's, and though they come out of the closet and call themselves gay, they will wake up on one special day, and if they don't change their ways, the whole country will be judged on that same day.

Its not bad, its different so it scares people and when people are scared they just either are anti whatever it is, or they just say whatever they think sounds good to try to make it sound bad.

I find it impossible to comment on the ignorance found in so many of these homophobic comments.I find it impossible to find the words to describe my bewilderment at the hatered that exists within this community and this country. Someone please explain to me how loving someone, is bad.

You saying they should be married IS you judging them. Its saying they dont deserve the same rights. Does being gay make you less of a person? NO Does it male you not worthy of rights? No. Its like Saying people who are not White should not get the same rights either. If you have a beating heart and blood flowing through you you are a person- a person who deserves to go out and not get called names just because your a woman wih a girlfriend or a man with a boyfriend.

I personally think all you negative people should mind your own business. I have a son and 7 grandsons, if one or all turned out to be gay, I would still love them as I do everyone! Just because the gazette gives you the right to sit at home and type hateful things, doesn't mean you should do it! If you have a heart at all, use it for good not bad. Love thy neighbor, be it gay, straight, mentally challenged, black, white, etc.

"Gay men have a higher income and have MUCH better health than straight men." What kind of a statement is that?? Im NOT at all anti gay but where did you find the info that based that comment???

Gays cost more in health care costs? PUH-LEEZE! Gay men have a higher income and have MUCH better health than straight men. Take a quick look in a gay bar vs a straight bar and tell me where the paunchy, obese smokers are.

I grew up in Walworth county and now live in Mass... and I am very glad to hear that Wisconsin has domestic partnership. However, it does not offer the full legal protections of marriage.

I survived a life-threatening illness while in a domestic partnership and was fortunate to have filed extensive legal paperwork that recognized the relationship. Domestic partnership rights didn't cover everything necessary and we needed health-care proxies, power of attorney and strongly written wills.

Last year I married my partner with family from Wisconsin and hundreds of friends and neighbors attending. We completed our civil marriage at home separatly from our church blessing ceremony to recognize our state's founder's separation of church and state. The original Puritan settlers of New England prohibited church weddings as their reading of the Bible indicated that weddings were originally a function of the state rather than the church.

Domestic partnerships are a good step forward, but it should not be a surprise that gay couples in Wisconsin will still want marriage. We were raised to believe that marriage is the best form of relationships for couples, and our legal system only offers full protections to married couples, regardless of religious beliefs.

HIV rates among lesbians is amazingly low, fyi christians, guess god loves lesbians more than straight women, in fact way more.

Are we really debating health care costs of straight vs. gay? Hate to point out the obvious, but, child birth (straight couples) can be $16-$100s of thousands of dollars.

Ok So I know 3 straight people who have had an STD in the last year, and for one of them it was time # and another # 2. Do I agree with them going aaround and picking up guys from where ever and doing unprotected things? no.
Now on to any friends who are Gay - 0 thats right 0 of them have had an STD.
So for any of you to say oh STDs are on a rise blame all Gay people, educate your self proporly!

Truth1 - time for you to get off your "almighty" high horse.

In reference to your last post - "Thinks" what my orientation is? I was born this way; no ifs, ands or buts about it. Do you honestly think anyone would choose to be discriminated against? Give me a break, you are just a closed minded as every other hater on this board.

I bet if you did a little research on your OWN, you'd be surprised at how little us gays cost you. There are plenty places to learn, the library and the local health department would be a good place to start. I know this might come as a shock to you, but most of us have good jobs that provide health insurance and costs you absolutely NOTHING.

Lastly, you are in a minority yourself. MOST PEOPLE could care less how I live my life. We don't tell you how to live your life, please don't tell us how to live ours.

No1shouldHate: Well said!...and Congratulations to you and your partner! It's a very sad day when so many cannot understand the simple fact that whenever there are more loving and committed couples - no matter what gender - there are stronger, more vibrant, vigorous, and cohesive families and culture. Traditional marriage is not at all affected by expanding simple (NOT special or extraordinary!), civil rights to other couples. Instead of condemning, we should be rejoicing that enough citizens now understand and support basic human civil applied to all for a truly welcoming, compassionate, caring, and progressive society.

I would like to know the actual PER CAPITA health care cost/disease rate of the "gay" vs. "straight" community, respectively.
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And...wanting to know that doesn't make me "hateful", its just an inquiry...The answer to that will take any "twist" out of that discussion.
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And.....I don't care what anyone thinks their "orientation" is, I don't want to know or hear about it and most ppl don't want to either.

I am a gay male and recently filed for a Domestic Partnership with my partner of 8 years. I am thankful for any crumb of dignity and respect we are given. I really don’t think any of you haters “understand” what we go through on a daily basis to protect ourselves and our loved ones from the likes of you. Like many of your right-wing cohorts, you base everything on what you think we’re taking away from you. Tell me, what does gay marriage take away from you? NOTHING, that’s right absolutely NOTHING. Just like you’re your marriage takes nothing away from me. Not only am I gay, but I am also a Christian and believe it or not God accepts me for who I am.

For those you spewing your so-called "facts" about STD’s, etc. The gay population only makes up a small percentage of those numbers. There are more promiscuous heterosexuals spreading disease in this country at an alarming rate. Sorry to tell you, but us gays aren't to blame for everything. Not all of us have promiscuity issues, so stop lumping us all together.

Lastly, for you bitter people. Obama won the presidential election because people were tired of the same old garbage coming out of Washington. If you actually took the time read Obama’s plan rather than spout your mouths you might actually learn something. He can’t possibly do any worse than G.W. Bush.

Wow.. Lets have less children and more STDs.

Gay married men probably have less children. The health care savings from that should cancel out any STD costs.

werpknarly: Well said! Your aunts aren't a threat to my marriage. All those straight women looking at my husband should be locked away. I'd better stay away from any straight male hangouts, gas station, grocery store, etc. Maybe invite the Taliban here to keep us safe.

I see some of you just don't "get" the homosexual-healthcare connection...Yes, there IS one.....Just wait and see what happens to "healthcare" in 10 years if this behavior significantly increases.......You think you can't get "heathcare" now?...Just wait...

lovethemidwest, no matter how you argue it, you're using what happens unintentionally to 5000 people (who among them sought out an STD?) as a reason to control the behavior of 5,000,000 people, of whom 4,995,000 did not get syphilis this year. That's ... well, that's the definition of the word prejudice.

I'm gay and married.
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Get over it, oppressors and bigots. All we want is our rights. And keep your religious arguments away from me. They hold no water. How have so many forgotten what the separation of church and state really are???
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And for the record, the true Christians are the ones that don't judge, love regardless, and advocate for all of society (not just select classes).

God is also very concerned with insulting bald people as well as making sure people are not homosexual. Also it is ok to slaughter children if they call someone bald:
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2 Kings 2:23-25 (English Standard Version)

23He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" 24And he turned around, and when he saw them,(A) he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. 25From there he went on to(B) Mount Carmel, and from there he returned(C) to Samaria.

its so sad that all these people's marriages, religons and lives are in just jepordy because my great aunt and her friend have been together for 40-50 years. they are so scary and dangerous... BO ! ... scared ya? the old gay grey ladies are coming ! watch out. maybe a few people in denial are forced to face some inner feelings they are not mature enough to deal with???? OHH thats scary... better yell louder, maybe you wont hear your inter thoughts.

Mooshoo-You seem to think the democrats are not a bunch of fornicators and adulterers as well. Until the masses learn that the two parties are the same and just playing the masses against each other for their personal gain we will continue flounder as a country.

I love how you always here Christians saying its so wrong to be gay and how God dosnt want you to. Isnt not judging others and loving everyone part of being a true christian?? Im a christian and I dont care if your gay or not. Its yoru choice not mine, your life not mine. If your happy than go for it! If you can find someone who makes you happy and loves you for who you really are than why should you have people jumping all over you about how wrong it is? And to tell you the truth any of the people I know who are gay have had less partners than I have. Am I a bad person for havign more than one partner in my life? No are they? No.

He Tiger, my King James version of Corinthians 6-9 is as follows: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind".
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Wow, I would say someone has re-arranged the script. Why are you twisting the words of God?
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My interpretation of the "true" version of Corinthians 6-9 has about 3/4 of the Republican party (bunch of fornicators and adulterers - not to mention the log cabin republicans) better pack warm weather clothing for the here after.

ladulce: Your scripture passsages apply to the way we should treat each other and I agree with these passages, but I don't believe the following is a selective passage that proclaims hate as you implied in another post. 1 (Corinthians 6:9) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals." This is the word of God, how do you interpret this?

What should really annoy people is that the Attorney General, J.B. Van Hollen, has refused to defend the state in the case against domestic partnerships. Future political ambition is apparently more important to him than doing his elected job. Unfortunately that will cost taxpayers because outside attorneys will need to be hired to DO his job. Some Republicans are almost as scary as those so-called Christians.

Well said Bealab. Well said.

raystone - Some homosexuals probably do have low self-esteem. Unfortunately, that's probably due to the discrimination and hate from the so-called Christians, republicans, and conservatives in our state that don't realize that BASIC human rights should be extend to all human beings.

What on earth is it with these people who suddenly throw in things like health care when talking about a subject like this? Health care is not even a right that a domestic parnership grants and STDs have nothing to do with domestic partnerships! There should be a CRAZY, HATEFUL, BIGOT filter on these discussion sites to keep idiots from entering responses.

lovethemidwest's comments crack me up! Implying that all homosexuals sleep around with as many partners as they can find and are infected with STDs. Yeah. Like straight men and women don't sleep around. SO IGNORANT!

So sorry to hear that brothers and sisters
in the midwest are still being treated like "second class citizens".
Hugs to you all from the Left Coast.
"First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then, you win."
~Mahatma Gandhi

Miss Katie - I think it went right over their little redneck heads. :)

Everyone here is making me sick, all you have to do here is "Protect yourself" and teach your children to do the same. It's all about being responsible, it doesn't matter what sex your prefer. Grow up all of you and respect each other and their decisions, especially you midwest.

Same sex couples just scored their biggest victory in Wisconsin history, and they are still unhappy. Just shows homosexuality is a personality issue, largely low self esteem.

You forget to mention in your selective post that 72% of AIDs cases are attributed to gay men. My entire post wasnt just about the syphilis numbers yet you overlook that.

Also Janesvillean your numbers are a little off. Go to the CDC.gov website and look it up. You also gave the number of "gay, lesbian, and bisexuals" as a whole. Then you use the number of syphilis cases in MEN only and use that number in your ratio. What about the women with syphilis?

I don't care about anyone's sexual preference. I don't talk about mine & I don't want to hear about yours. Like the person said in this news article, a lawyer can draw up legal documents to have consenting adults do anything they want; to inherit, make health care decisions etc., etc. etc. Tired of all the whining about this.

STD incidence is most definitely correlated with sexual preference. Homosexual men are FAR more likely to get an STD than heterosexual men. Even when it comes to proiscuous men the rate is still far higher for a homosexual man than a heterosexual man.

Were they ALWAYS committed to this one person janesvillean? Have they all only been with the one partner? I think not.

STD incidence is correlated with promiscuity, not sexual preference. And while some STDs such as chlamydia are widespread (but largely harmless), dangerous STDs such as syphilis are more easily treated than ever and cases have fallen by almost 90% in the last 20 years. Yes, there is apparently a remaining reservoir among gay and bisexual men, but even among that group the incidence is well below 10%.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...
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Finally, STDs are something that are a problem for singles, not for committed couples.
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Self-identified gay, lesbian and bisexual voters totalled 4% in a CNN exit poll (this is smaller than the number of people who engage in same-sex behavior, though). That's about 5 million adults. Yet there are only 7,500 syphilis cases, of which about 5,000 are attributed to gay or bisexual men. That means that only 1 in 1,000 gay people have syphilis, or 1/10th of 1%. Yet lovethemidwest is concerned about what the other 99 and 9/10% are doing in a courthouse with a piece of paper.
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Why "lovethemidwest" doesn't understand that the same-sex registry is about committed couples and thus the complete opposite of promiscuous singles is left as an exercise for the reader.

freddog- Your intolerance is nothing less than nauseating. All judging is to be done by Our Father in Heaven, remember, Judge not lest ye be judged? (Matthew 7: 1-5) Or, let he who is without sin cast the first stone? (John 8:7). You're kind of missing the whole point of "love thy brother". Stop hiding behind your selective passages of the bible and proclaim the hate that you feel. You are an embarrassment to those of us that really are Christians (and know what that means)....

You know what homophobia *really* means, right?

My point? HEALTH CARE COSTS!!!!!!!!!

where do they all come from anyway, they can't reproduce...

What's your point lovethemidwest? Are you proposing to make homosexuals second-class citizens? Oh, I forgot. They already are. Maybe you want to take it a step further and do what Hitler did to them?

Syphilis has increased each year since 2000 — its rate is up 81 percent — with gay and bisexual men representing 65 percent of cases, the CDC said.

This, when homosexuals only make up 2.9% of the population. The implications are staggering: 2.9% of the population is responsible for 65% of Syphilis cases. You do the math.

But syph wasn’t the only area where homosexuals had vastly disproportionate infection rates.

With gonorrhea, homosexual men were four times more likely to have the disease than heterosexual men (36% versus 9%).

And according to the CDC, some 72% of male AIDS cases are linked to homosexual behavior.

Hope they lose those battles.

It's a damn shame that so many gay people in our area are closeted. We'll have to rely on "out" homosexuals in other Wisconsin cities to fight our battles for us.