You righties are complete DOPES!!!

I think it's hard to "consider" you're country in the same manner a foreigner might. I've never been on the outside looking at America, I've always been an American. I don't know how to answer your question...Maybe if you were more specific. "Mean" in regards to what?

Bellagio_Bound & Andre,
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"I agree with Andre, most of you people go around and bash Bush, yet in the same breath you state that we are supposed to blindly support obama. That is quite the hypocritical stance now isn't it."
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WAIT a minute. The hypocricy of "if you aren't with me you are with the terrorists" and every American who didn't support the war being categorized as the "Hate America First Crowd"...
Did you 2 forget that?
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I believe the hypocricy is on both sides.
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Listening to Hannity is the worst though. His, "The United States of France" comments are amazing considering to this day, he criticizes Michelle for her "mean country" comment.
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You tell me, are we more like France, or considering our history could the US beconsidered a mean country?

In light of last weeks performances in the uk I's say he gave away our country in a basket!! Way to go our esteemed commander in theif!!!

Obama blows off another Big Promise to his supporters and signs on with the Bush State secrets privilege. Yeah we saw that one coming too. Now that ought to get the Obamanation in a uproar.

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I know multiple points and several facts is a little too much for the simpletons. Its not that your ignoring me as much as you're too lazy to read anything you don't agree with. I understand that Rush and Fox News is about as much as your few neurons can handle.

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Your ignoring me. The rest of the world is ignoring you.

RAF: Too funny! Over the last months, I've started what I like to call my "ignore" list (I just added darwin1). It's posters that I've concluded make little or no sense, and/or just spew personal attacks and other garbage. No one has time to read everything, and I've found that I can skip these posters without losing any significant content. So here's the list: you're wasting your time if you read ***darwin1, jja, lamonte or spark***. Not to say that none of them has ever said anything intelligent, just that IMHO the drivel outweighs the insights. Of course, sometimes they see themselves on my list and immediately respond, but I don't read those either LOL. Good day all - I'm headed outside for some fresh air :O)

Why won't any of you tell me where you get your information from?

Instead, you talk around everyone who disagrees with your simplistic views of the world. And you wonder why your views are now so irrelevant.

Dave, I have come the conclusion that darwin1 has arrived at the same level with math lady.

RAF
No you didn't say that which is why it was stated as a question? Talk about a dolt. You people have difficulty with simple basic definitions that you would know had you taken any type of remedial economics course. Even if you read the WSJ, Financial Times or Economist you would have this basic information. So, where do you people actually get your information from, or do you just make it up as you go?

The buck stops at 1600 Penn Ave now of course. The party of personal responsibility isn't personally responsible for any of their actions or behaviors. It must be societies fault.

RAF and andre - Wow, I was offline all weekend and can't believe how far this thread has gone. Regarding the evolutionary one, she is not worth your time or refutation. You can present her with all the facts you want, but she will talk in circles, make little to no sense, and then for your trouble will accuse you of "crying", "whining" or "complaining" LOL! This article is about Obama. He is our President, love it or hate it! No President is immune from criticism, and such criticism of his CURRENT actions cannot be displaced back to previous administrations. The buck stops at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Everyone needed to GET OVER Mr. Bush, who btw I did not support either. But as far as the aforementioned ignorant poster, as the saying goes (I paraphrase), "you can't win an argument with an ignorant, whiney little girl". Ha!

"It runs the military but doesn't own the bases? I am not sure where you have been but lots of businesses lose money."
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You are a dolt. Did I say the military bases were not owned? I said a program was not owned; the military is not a program, goes back to that issue in the constitution we disagree with. To your claim of business' that lose money, yes many do, and after constantly doing that they close. The ones the government run get rewarded with higher budgets; vast difference.

andre:
You're 100% right. The point I"m making here is that these posts, and that particular post of mine you copied and pasted are a huge part of the problem. Yes, myself included. I don't think Republicans or Democrats, you or me, have all the answers. What we seem to have in spades are criticisms. I'm looking for solutions...not complaints. Do you have a problem with that?

1984 was Totalitarianism.

I can't believe that Obama would just surrender our whole country like that. Its a good thing he bowed and didn't hug then kiss him and then not attack the same country where most of the 9/11 hijackers were from. Whew.

RAF
My rules haven't changed at all. Nice try with the nitpicking though. If the government runs it - it owns it. It runs the military but doesn't own the bases? I am not sure where you have been but lots of businesses lose money. Lots. Aside from companies who want to make a profit but can't, we have a whole group of businesses called non-profits.

Did you understand how the NFL is communist?

I agree with RAF. Pointing fingers at Bush now will do no good. And personally, I think the idea of socialism is terrifying- anyone read 1984? Obviously a very extreme socialism, but scary nonetheless.

DUTY, HONOR,and COUNTRY are the words are dear president needs to know. NOT SPEND, LIE, and SUBMIT

“Clearly, RAF has a problem with definitions. Socialism means state ownership.”
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Clearly? Previously you stated that you define socialism as a social safety net like unemployment; how does the state own unemployment? Unemployment is a program like SS, Medicaid, Medicare…there are no owners (if you want to call it that) to a program. The government does “run” the program but if sold there is no value so it is worth nothing. The socialism you are trying to define now (again changing constantly) is business ownership; think Venezuela. In the US it would be akin to Freddie, Fannie, the postal system, and Amtrak; all complete failures in business.

Please do not assume I am a Bush advocate simply because I point out the errors. I am a Free American I make up my own mind and my eyes and ears do not lie.
Sorry if my comments upset you but both parties must take their blame as well as those who vested in them. It still does not excuse Obamas behavior.

Clearly, RAF has a problem with definitions. Socialism means state ownership. Communism would be more like the NFL where you each get the same amount of money irregardless of quality. However, the NFL is worth more collectively than it is individually.

Again, socialism and communism can exist in a republic or democracy because through voting we can change the system. Do you understand how elections and voting works? All the NFL owners have to vote for profit sharing. It wasn't imposed on them by a totalitarian government.

Right Shadow I forgot - Bush had nothing to do with it. Republicans are all about regulation for big business. Actually now that I think about it you are correct - its Obama's fault. The crap didn't hit the fan until 12 weeks ago. Too bad George W couldn't run for a third term he would have continued to show the world who's boss. It was getting great results!

When the President of The United States acts like that on a world stage he comes under the close scrutiny of the American people and rightly so. He told us that we are to be sucking the teat of the European Union and fashion ourselves after their government. His bow was a bow of submission to a higher authority and that is BS. We do not submit. Get real wake up. We heard him and seen him with our own eyes and ears. As far as the previous admin on breaking the world check your data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7...

andre_linoge don't even waste your time.

"The dude has been President for three months and the previous president broke the world."
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If you truly believe one person "broke the world", you must then believe that one person can fix it! So how long will it take this one person?

Talk about sheep! The dude has been President for three months and the previous president broke the world. Maybe you guys should stop being manipulated by your preachers and Fox news and give the guy six months before you wig out.

Tried to support this guy but I am not blind or deaf.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r...
+Arrogant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZer0P9l...

+How many voted for this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFY...
Who should we believe? Him or our Lying Eyes and ears? They signed the biggest pork loaded bill without reading it! Come on who is trying to fool who here?
Americans are not sheep for shearing to anybody for any reason and those who would support such a thing need to get their hands out of the pockets of the American people and show some respect for our way of life or move along.

What is your definition of Communism? To you, how do Communism and Socialism differ?

"I define socialism as...SS, Medicaid, Medicare, unemployment, the GI Bill, VA hospitals and yes the military"
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It is obvious your view is not the norm. Socialism is the essence of collectivism, or a social system trying to be equal. None of the programs you list provide that or require it for participation. If the military was socialist there would not be leaders; everyone would be the same rank and all people would participate. The VA system would provide treatment and care to all past military members not some members. The GI bill would provide benefits irrespective of your contribution or choices. Unemployment would pay the same to all. It is apparent your perspective on the constitution in respect to the meaning of common defense and general welfare is enormously different than mine and many others. To that end it not worth discussing further.

At this point, does it matter what Bush did? I mean, unless you're interested in placing blame and pointing fingers? It does not matter. What matters is what Obama is doing and what he is going to do.

I would not support ANY president who justifies torture and stripping citizens of their citizenship without due process.

RAF, I used the entire phrase in a previous post. I keep thinking that you are confusing centralized planning with socialism. How exactly do you define socialism? I define socialism as social safety nets such as SS, Medicaid, Medicare, unemployment, the GI Bill, VA hospitals and yes the military since it is publicly owned and not privately controlled. Chavez and Mugabe are centralized planners and socialists. Socialism is necessary for markets to work properly because they soften the blows of failure. Failures are important. We learn from failure. In economics it is called "creative destruction" which some people are confusing with "total destruction". Letting everything fail will lead to fewer competitors, higher prices and fewer choices.

The founders of our country took an enormous risk to which they pledged their fates, their fortunes and their lives. They understood the importance of taking risks in a market economy and so enshrined "public welfare", bankruptcy, "common defense", patents and copyrights. All forms of socialism, some to allow the failures the opportunity to dust themselves off pull themselves up by their boot straps and try again and others to create monopolies for a period of time.

The NFL is a great example of when 28 Republicans all vote socialist.

Wow. Almost every post on here is reflective of the attitude/mindset that is bringing our country to its knees. Constant bashing of the party you disagree with isn't going to solve anything at all. If anything, it will further abandon any chance of an intelligent conversation. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have all the answers. Everyone, myself included, needs to stop taking criticisms of their respective parties on a personal level.
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As an Obama supporter, I question a lot of what he's doing. I did that under the Bush administration as well. We all did. One thing that will not help is pointing fingers and calling names. Finding flimsy evidence with the hopes that it will strengthen your view, when you are purposely misquoting or misrepresenting the true nature of that evidence, is irresponsible at best.
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The only thing that is certain right now is that Obama is the President. That can't be disputed. As Americans, are you obligated to "support" the President? That depends on your definition of support. It's obvious a lot of posters here do not support our President. That's fine. But along with criticizing,, I'd like to see viable alternatives offered. What would you do in this situation? How would you have handled it? If you can't offer answers to these questions, you're just blowing hot air, and are a big part of the problem.

I can't argue with this column. Obama did come off as weak and pandering during this trip. His naiveness is starting to work against him. This as Russia and China have now hacked into our power grid (funny how the media kept that fairly quite). I think I'm going to go buy batteries for my radio. Bye Bye now

Barack Obama will bring this Country around .

"Just impeach Obama, I am sure we can find some ridiculous reason to circumvent democracy."
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Wow, this from a self-confessed socialist.

“The word "welfare" is IN the CONSTITUTION”
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Yes the word is. The huge hole in your argument is your attempt of using today’s accepted definition (welfare) of words to support your position of socialism; the word socialism was not even used until the early 1830’s. You have previously contended that use of public funding to pay military members is welfare when common defense is in the constitution. How can you use today’s definition and then support it by using a reference (in context) that disagrees with your contentions? The correct term from the constitution is “general welfare”; perhaps you should learn the term in context before trying to change the definition to support your position(s).

Yes, those enlightened liberals with their intelligence. Who do they think they are being intelligent and enlightened. The dark ages are so underrated. The suckers who voted. Elections that count are so passe. Just impeach Obama, I am sure we can find some ridiculous reason to circumvent democracy.

Krauthammer is too kind in his assessment of Obama's European trip. I would have used far more harsh words to describe the pandering wuss that Obama is and the harm he has done to America and Americans. He, contrary to his own beliefs, is not God and Savior of the world. He was elected President of the US because he ran a popularity contest. The fools who voted for him swallowed his line as though the election was the political version of American Idol. The Dems put the fix in for his nomination and even as he lied, cheated, and threw his granny under the bus, the electorate blindly cheered at the rock concert-like rallies and looked past his major personal flaws as well as his political radicalism and disregard for the Constitution . When my children graduated, they inherited a productive, economically sound, peaceful US. There was a time when the US had credibility and had the awe of all nations. There was a time when citizens actually chose a president because of his integrity. Since they and their generation have graduated from enlightened liberal colleges and have become "intelligent" we have the political version of American Idol in the Whitehouse. Now, he will throw you who have voted for him under the same bus as his granny, his reverend, his political friends and cronies. He has a track record of biting the hand that feeds him in favor of his convoluted "world" political ideology. I'd say that his trip deserves a failure grade. He went to Europe as a powerful leader and came back as a eunich.

Hmmm, Melt down? Ya think? I would prescribe him some psych meds and a nap to start, followed by intense psychotherapy and cult deprogramming.... to all you propaganda abusers, here is your public service announcement... this is your brain, this is brain on koolaid.

Darwin you ok? Looks like your having a melt down there?

Here is exhibit F: andre_lingo[sick] Republican fascist who can read people's minds and knows how people completely different than him see the world. That is amazing. Can you tell me what I am thinking right now? I bet you can.

HMMM when was I promised something for nothing? HMM Never. What democrat said that. None. Way to lie about your country Nazi. Like I said the "public welfare" is in the constitution, evidently your hatred for America is so deep you can't actually see the words. Personally, I like all parts of the constitution. Every part.

I for one will be happy to rejoin the Republican party once they admit they shyrocketed the debt, pandered to the fatcats at the expense of the common man, and catered to the irrational views of the religious right. As a once proud Republican that defended the need for a small government, I say Obama is turning things around and I am proud I voted for him. Not sure I can say the same thing about when I voted for George W's first term.

ah andre's being nice. How sweet. I am confused. So, as a socialist it is your doctrine that I should not be following socialism or the constitution but rather marxism which I thought was communism. I am so glad you are here to tell me how confused I am because clearly you are the expert on confusion. And I am so you glad you are here to dictate to me what ideology I should be following instead of the one that I thought I was free to follow - my own.

I will take the democrats socialism over your fascism any day.

My Loyalty lies here and here alone.
http://www.patriothangout.com/PH/Declara...
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http://www.patriothangout.com/PH/Constit...

with these documents we can tear apart this administration and expose the truth behind the man.

You are confusing centralized planning with socialism. Socialism provides safety nets such as Social Security, unemployment insurance, medi-care and medi-caid and other such programs for the poor, elderly or those looking for work. These would be programs that a VAST majority of Americans believe "provide for the general welfare." The word "welfare" is IN the CONSTITUTION (But not the word "God"). Considering the number of mass shootings in the last month, we should be doing and spending more not less. So, socialism is IN the CONSTITUTION.

In fact bankruptcy in specifically enshrined in the Constitution and protect people from debtor's prisons. More socialism. Ranchers graze on federal land. 1 in 3 jobs in Republican Alaska is tied to the Federal government. Welfare Republicans. Everyone loves socialism, why not you?

When Clinton first took office in 1993, we could afford to make foreign policy errors since we had just won the cold war and no one was in a position to threaten us. Those days are gone. Russia is becoming hostile again, the Chinese seem to be drifting that way too and why? Obama being a socialist primarily concerned with bringing peace and social justice not just to poor Americans but to the poorer countries of the world should be music to the ears of our adversaries. But it's a dog eat dog world. Our current leaders haven't the will to protect our country's interests, even agreeing with our adversaries that our interests are immoral. Now we plan on stripping our own defences in a show of good intentions, I suppose. There's blood in the water, American blood. And the sharks are circling.

Yeah dems, this blows up during Georgy boys presidency and he gets $700 billion for the banks but you know its your fault. Don't you dems know your supposed to take the responsibility for what Republicans do. They are constantly lying about not being responsible for what they weren't responsible for. DEMS!!

They lied to the American people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaDtkG6af...

The Dems deny the warnings and then blame everybody but themselves when it blows up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7...
How about some accountability from the Congress and the President?

I don't have to leave, my democracy voted a socialist into power. Now maybe we will become a economic power house again since socialism clearly works.

This is what he was voted in on, what did we get?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFY...

Obamism - pandering to those lazy leftest who are sucking from the teet of the state.

Darwin - You will be first in line the next presidential election, because you fear your free state milk will be taken away. That is Obama's strategy.

1 Shot Reagan = 1 Obama. 66% approval ratings. Maybe you people should start your own country of Limbaughistan where people don't know the difference between the declaration and the preamble. You guys do realize we have elections and Obama won. See ya next elections losers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45EoIsb62...

It is undeniable your eyes and ears do not lie. You have seen and heard him no bias just the man.I don't care what party you belong to when you take the oath of office you swear to protect and preserve the Constitution of the United States Of America. That and that alone is Priority #1 I watched and listened to him disgrace our Nation on a World Stage. My eyes and ears do not lie. See y'all at the Tea Party!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45EoIsb62Cg

How about his bowing to the Saudi leader?? You can explain it al away if you want but I think it is what is to come from our leader! We do not bow to anyone, we are the strongest nation in the world. He is just showing us his true colors now. I fear for us now though because we are becoming more and more less of a nation under Obama and more UN. What will come next???

SuperDave, too bad you couldn't knitpick when the Bush was in office: "Deficits don't matter", "Mission Accomplished", stripping citizens of their citizenship, torture, lying about WMD. And you are going to cry like a little girl about politicians who use words to placate their audience. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!! Yes, water boarding would be better.

I found it hard to get past "Words must mean something". This coming from a Democrat?!? What about the words "no lobbyists in my Administration"? The word "transparency"? Give me a break! This guy uses words to placate his audience. The actual words mean nothing to him. And soon, the whole world will realize that US actions will trump Obama's teleprompted drivel.