cense- I just seen our comments were put in the paper. I never realized they did that without us asking for it to be considered.

cense- I was at the ice rink opening day as a kid- I played hockey.

"A large number of adults enjoy an alcoholic beverage now and then and do not go on to become alcoholics."

The adults are not my concern- the kids are the only ones we should be thinking about on this issue.

truthteller - Yours is a sad story indeed - glad you are here to tell it - HOWEVER - do not assume that the majority of people are going to take the same path you CHOSE. A large number of adults enjoy an alcoholic beverage now and then and do not go on to become alcoholics. It is called possessing self-control and acting responsibly. Lots of things are "enticing" but as responsible human beings, we have to have some self control and a conscience; they are what distinguish humans from animals
p.s. I don't think you have to worry about kids looking longingly over at the beer section during a hockey game. The game is more exciting than gawking at the drinkers. Go to a hockey game once - give it a try.

Cense- my scenario's are rediclous because to have alcohol at youth games is redicolous. Here's a scenario for you- a teenager see's all the "cool" guy's in the drinking section and he wants to be just like them. He starts drinking under age and pretty heavy. He keeps it up when he turns legal age and goes to the bar every night because he is addicted and in his early life he formed opinions in his young mind that it was cool. Now he is in his 30's and he drinks every night and has developed some pretty serious health problems- liver,kidney and stomach problams. Today he is in his 40's and not drinking and doing better. His best friend just got put in the ground last week because of his drinking addiction. If you don't get this- this teen was me and this is my story. I wasted a better part of my life being an alcoholic. I can't blame anyone- I made these descisions. But you know I think about it often? Why did I take this path? I did it because it was "cool" and I wanted to be "cool" like the older kids. So if this alcohol things goes through for the youth hockey I want you to keep your eye's open for the kid who is looking over the fence in envy of the "cool" people drinking....... you just gave him a bad path to take....................

Alcohol doesn't hurt people, only people who abuse alcohol hurt people. Hey, it works for the NRA to keep guns on the streets. In reality, many of the arguments posted here against selling beer at Junior "A" hockey games are foolish. If those of you against selling beer at sporting events want things to change then start by complaining to the mega corporations posing as breweries. You can't watch a single sporting event on TV without being inundated by beer ads. Millions of families watch football, basketball and baseball together and see lots of "happy" men and women guzzling their favorite brew. Bud, Miller, Coors and others have their names all over sports. The fact is, 99.9 % of those over 21 attending sporting events are responsible and intelligent enough NOT to get slobbering drunk. Lots of wasted words and space is being given to those .1% of morons who get drink too much no matter what the occasion or situation. It's time to move on.

RoadKing: Exactly! Therein lies the conundrum my friend. Two demerits, btw. Sorry!

truthteller - these blogs used to be interesting to read until people like you made them a joke. Your ridiculous scenarios make it impossible to have intelligent "conversations" on the issues.

Warning about complaining could be construed as whining

ne1but24n18: Violation of rule #8: 8) Zero tolerance for anyone using the terms "whining" or "complaining". This is just a warning, but please adjust your attitude accordingly.

From the article: "But Wisconsin Hockey Partners has said the revenue from the sale of beer is necessary to make the team financially successful."
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So in other words hockey is just an excuse to sell alcohol. You don't see any liquor stores hosting hockey games.

bla bla bla as if any of you complaining about the beer sale at the rink have never had a beer or drink infront of a kid befor. Let alone had a just one at a buddys and drove your car.WOODSMAN I am a family man and I do like my beer. But what you say I must not be. I must be of that cloth you talk about. As for my kids wen they turn 21 and want to try a beer thats there choice not mine or yours.
ljs64 Beer, Hockey Sticks, and Kids......Good Mix. For 1 the sticks are not in the stands.
I for one will be at the games and might or might not have a nice cold one.
But for those who do not like it come to a game and see for your self befor passing judgement. Hope i speLed all words right

The Peanuts comic in the Gazette tonight (4/7) was ironic.

So many of the posts here are just cracking me up; thanks for the chuckle. I love the diversity of our opinions. I say we all go to a Junior Hockey game, get drunk and after the game go to the Rotary Gardens where, “City ordinances already allow the sale of alcohol”, and party some more. Of course we have to drag thekid3477 along with us because he will probably be the only one who could still smell the poppies, um, you know, the flowers.
On a side note, I tried growing a “Beer Garden” once, but the darn dirt kept drinking it.
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This opinion is only meant for those with a sense of humor. If you do not have a sense of humor, beat it. *LOL*

I love it . If I can't get liquored up at the game, I'll get wasted at home first.I see beer tents as the future way of getting things done in Janesville. At any event that doesn't look profitable we will sell beer. Than it will be profitable! We can start with the March of Dimes event first, it's just a couple of weeks away. I can see it now a beer tent at every 1k marker and at the 10K marker we can have a beer tent with a Band. My God it just don't get any better!

How about we encourage all the parents to take a 12 pack along to their kids Boyscout and girlscout meetings? Heck we could get wasted while the kids earn there merit badges!

cense- how about we put in a few slot machines like the bars do? This could even bring in more money. While were add it we could add a brothel in the back- of course it would only be for the adults.

cense- no matter what you call them they are kids!

Drunks & druggies "ARE" of the same cloth,they both can not do anything with out it! Lets just get a count of who votes for this,that are drinkers. A true family person would try there damnedest to have the next generation of kids,NONE DRINKERS!!!

truthteller - this is not a "Youth Hockey" game (Youth hockey in Janesville is 5-14 year olds) and youth hockey is CLUB hockey. The Bluebirds are a high school team comprised of students, ages 14-18. Wisconsin Hockey Partners is a BUSINESS, not a club and the players they are looking to bring to Janesville are a mixture of kids ages 16&17 and young adults 18-20.
Gandolf - "Suggestion of Designated Drivers is impractical?" My friends and family use this concept all the time. If my friend wants to drink, I don't. If my husband wants to drink, I don't. It is very simple really. I think the "drunks" at the sporting events are the exception, not the rule.

Thats what I like about the Walworth Co.Fair.No beer or booze sold or allowed on the grounds.Now thats family entertainment.If you want to drink go home or to a bar.

csense, I have never been to a sporting venue where I have not seen a drunken person (or multiple drunken persons), no matter the outrageous cost of the drink. Your suggestion about using designated drivers is impractical, as you must know in your heart of hearts.

alcohol at a youth hockey game?? WHY is this even being considered???!!!! I would rather see the city pay the whole bill for this losing hockey venture than see them go down this road. I mean it's sad this is even being considered.

We have to remember that Wisconsin Hockey Partners is a BUSINESS and, as is true for all businesses, they are looking to make a profit. Their wanting to sell beer at their games is not going to hurt "children" on the ice, nor is it going to hurt the kids in the stands, if the ADULTS involved act responsibly.

"But Wisconsin Hockey Partners has said the revenue from the sale of beer is necessary to make the team financially successful."

FACT: This is about MONEY. Not the kids involved.

ljs64 - let's get the facts straight. The beer is in the stands and the hockey,sticks, and "kids" (16-20 year olds - so some of them are adults) are on the ice. None of the players will be consuming alcohol - so your sarcastic comment, about a bad mix doesn't even make any sense. As for so many comments regarding drinking and driving, have none of you heard of the concept of the "Designated Driver"? I'm sure that most of you who have been to any sports venue have noticed the high costs of the refreshments, I don't think anyone goes to these events to get drunk. Kids can see their parents have a beer or a glass of wine at almost any restaurant in town and no one suggests that restaurants should not be allowed to serve alcohol. Let's assume that people know how to act responsibly instead of assuming the worst. So much of all of this ice arena issue has been blown out of proportion and so many un-truths are floating around. Let's base this discussion on the real facts - do some research to find out what the truth really is - and it isn't found here in these blogs.

How about a juice bar and strippers?

Beer, Hockey Sticks, and Kids......Good Mix

And then we wonder why the underage drinking has gone up? Let's go watch our kid play hockey and have some drinks and then drive? WTF is wrong with people?? I thought we were suppose to set a good example?
Rooster, you hit it right on the head!!!

Janesvegas26: "rarely" not "rarley". Your punctuation is awesome, and so are you.
"I am not sure ... who you think you are Superdave" answered your own question. I do prefer capital S and D though. Thank you, SuperDave.
What was this story about again? Seems like everyone just wants to talk about SuperDave.

Thank you ALAC. Now lets see if the full council takes your advice. I look forward to the OPPORTUNITY to enjoy a beer during a JUNIOR A hockey game. Notice how I said "OPPORTUNITY"? Just because it's available doesn't mean I have to participate. I get to make the choice.

thisisme: Thanks! 11) repeated misspellings are grounds for limiting posts to one per month.
Janesvegas26: Too funny! Just for the record, I agree with you in principal. I misspelled a word here so you can attack me later if you'd like. BTW, it's "where" you get off, not "were" :O)
biggirl: Sorry if I annoy you, even if just sometimes. I try to make my comments interesting and entertaining, Any idea why thisisme said I "spent almost the whole forum attacking peoples spelling", when I merely gave tom1cass2 a loophole for rule #8? Turns out he actually meant "whining", so he violated rule #8 but we won't count that against him since I just today made up the rules. Fair enough?

People - please read my posts with nothing but love and compassion in your heart. I value your comments (well, except for spark, lamonte and llj or whatever her name is - those I skip entirely). Anyway - everyone have an awesome and healthy Tuesday evening.

We all know the city WILL do the right thing for Janesburg(i mean the right thing for themselves)! Go ahead and sell it,to make money you say,BUT i say after the game set up 100 or so cops,to make more money on drunk drivers,seems like a money maker to ME! I went to "ONE" football game for my Grandson,no drinking at school,"BUT",a lot of the parents were drunk & loud,made for a real not so nice time. The parents SAY they support sports,but in reality they are supporting their own habits. The kids are watching you!

SuperDave may be obnoxious to some (not to me), but he is hardly harassing anyone. We need to stop extending what that word means to apply to anyone who merely annoys me.

Thank you thisisme. I was about to say the same thing. Everyday Superdave is on here attacking people for spelling and punctuation yet very rarley has a good point or argument dealing with the story he is posting on. I am not sure were you get off or who you think you are Superdave but no one really cares what you have to say about peoples spelling.

who is surprised at any of this. it is a scam perpitrated by the city council, youth hockey, the city of janesville, the businessmen who want it. was it ever in question? NO, NOT EVER. the city council can have all the public hearings they want and meetings etc. it was a done deal.

SuperDave- This is a forum for people to state their opinions and everyone has the right to their opinion just as you do. You provided your opinion... and are now just having a grand ole time attacking other people. You haven't even validely debated anyones opinion, you have spent almost the whole forum attacking peoples spelling. I don't see anywhere in the rules that spelling, punctuation, or grammer are issues. I would very much like to hear your opinion on this issue, just as everyone elses, but don't think that you have the right to harass someone because they might not be an A+ speller like yourself.

sannio: Yes!
cappyman: Are you one of the "youngers"? If so, than being a "life long resident of janesville" doesn't mean too much.
thekid3477: Yes, we need a government facility to take away business from all the existing private businesses in order to bring people into the city so that they spend money at existing private businesses. No, wait....

sweeeeet. one of the major problems with our society today, is that we dont have enough aveunes to obtain alcohol. the fact that we can maybe get it at a sporting event for junior hockey makes me realize we can do the right thing when needed. bravo ALAC...im sure its tough in a state like this to give the go ahead for an alcohol license...but you gots the cajones to do it. again i say bravo...my hats off to you...

8) Zero tolerance for anyone using the terms "whining" or "complaining", or variations thereof henceforth.

SuperDave - Don't forget Godwin's law: The thread is considered closed when someone makes a comparison to Nazis, or Hitler.

No fun. no how. never anywhere. Goodbbye janesville hello ghost town.
this town is overrun with old outdated thinking. the younger generations in this town need to speak up and be heard. The old folk have had their time, and it's time to move this city forward not stay locked in the 19th century. Good lord open your eyes this town sucks. I am a life long resident of janesville and keep hearing the same arguments from the same people. it is not working who would want to move here there is nothing to do!

I'm talking about complainers! It's getting old!

tom1cass2: Wining not whining. I assume you were addressing turkeyman.
StaceyU2: 7) Require spellcheck for all posters. 8) Zero tolerance for anyone using the terms "whining" or "complaining". 9) Delete annoying posters, not just from gazettextra, but from the Internet. 10) Remove or renumber repeated perturberances.

What's the dif between beer/wine and hard liquor? You still get drunk. So parents going to watch their kids play, drink some beer, and get in the car and drive. Our Captain Kojak police officer should make a lot of cash for the City on DWI tickets. Question: If a patron is overserved and gets in an accident - do they sue the CITY? This is a questionable contract any way you look at it. To give primary use of a public facility, to a privately owned, for-profit company, defies good business sense. Someone said that this will bring in 150,000 in money to our community, but most of them will eat at a chain restaurant that they are familiar with, and the money leaves town the next day.

has anyone ever been to a UW hockey game (when it was at the Alliant???
They had a specific area for Alcohol.. ID's were checked, and no one (almost no one) left with their beer, a beer garden WILL and HAS worked in a large venue as that, why wouldn't it work here??? Are we that more creative than a college student (I bet not).. this (I think) is a good proposal...
1) limit sales to 2 drinks per purchase
2) No Sales after start of 3 period
3) ID everyone that looks under 35yrs old
4) One way in ..One way out
5) at least a 4 ft barrier around the garden
And
6) Trained Security for that specific event area (Not everyone know the difference between a 35 yo and a live animal)

These are just some of the stipulations the city and ALAC should require (if they don't already) and be non-negotiable.

as I see it.. it is going to happen, why not help it instead of condoning it..

If the customer base to this Hockey arena is going to be driving in from all over are we not promoting drinking and driving? God forbid but if a accident were to occur would we not be liable for selling them the beer knowing that it is illegal for them to drive after consuming it? Just trying to stay ahead of the curve here.

lets be sure to tax it the same as Tobacco, it kills on our roads too. $10 per beer ought to do it. lets put our top cop for DUI,s on the job there too and one of those awesome "If You Drink and Drive " billboards right out front.

People get a life stop whining! Its getting old!

Hockey Fans drinking wine somehow seems very very wrong.

Done deal. Moving on, let's put a permanent beer tent at Fourth Ward Park to help pay for maintenance.

Maybe we could sell beer at boys baseball and the youth sports complex also. At least then there would be a reason for all the loud/unruly parents yelling at/coaching their child from the sidelines.

if this passes could we get a beer garden put in at Dawson park as well