YOU lakennedy, are one of the biggest hypocrites on this site. Your first paragraph in your salty response, PROVED just that. No, you get over YOURSELF! (..And definately, DON'T dish it out, if you can't take it! ;)
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Read some of your MANY posts as well. You call out others ALOT on things that YOU are just as guilty of! (re: usage of EXPRESSIVE writing. And...that's just hilarious! lol! :)
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Did you have a seizure in any of your MANY blogs? (Looks as though you could have...re: according to you :)
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DON'T be a hypocrite!

Geez Lakennedy I think people are just so mad at your good idea they want to whine about anything you do. Why do you care how her blog was wrote? I understood it and I think thats the only point so you just keep on using quatations and +'s Lakennedy!

Wow. Get over yourself. I use quotation marks because it's appropriate to do so when citing someone else, or when listing titles. I wrote the word "you" in capital letters because at that point I was screaming. I use the "+" sign because it is a convenient way of spacing paragraphs that would otherwise be pushed together.
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I think it's great that you've got this massive vendetta against my bashing of your ridiculous posts. They really do look as though you were going through some sort of a seizure while you were attempting to type. I suggest that you move on to the other bloggers who posted the same sort of criticism, as there were many others besides me. I don't even know how to address your last comment, because it makes no sense to me. Perhaps you should have thrown in a few more sparatic capitalizations and "lol's" and I would have remembered immediately who was writing and just moved on...

lakennedy~ Your caps was on (shhhhhh! :)...You don't have to scream it, right?! ;) lol! (little letters)
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Your use of the quotation(s) is extremely annoying. It is comparable to someone who thinks they are "important".
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The + has got to go.
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(PLUS) Understand? Before you knock on others, please DON'T be a hypocrite!
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Here's a big ol' halo & vote for #1 parent for you!! ;)......hmmmmmmmmmmmm?!! That's interesting.

The average adult's blood-alcohol level drops 0.02 points per hour.

LEDZEP....let me guess.....you make it to all YOUR kid's school functions, don't you? Seems to me you have a real terrible attitude towards "soccer moms". Go listen to your Led Zeplin and get lost in it, and stay there.

I, myself and my family have been victims of corbon monoxide. When we left our home the effects did not make us drive so poorly as to run into a parked car on the other side of the road and then run away after injuring a passenger! It gives you a headach and nausea. Ledzep77 your just grabbing excuses for this looser!! You must be his best bud!

maybe they dont know what a carbon monoxide detector is? well better get one now- and all people here get one and if not one get more than one. i have one by each basement door and one upstairs by the laundry.and if your landlord wont do it then JUST DO IT YOURSELF and give them the receipt!!even if they dont compensate you/ which they should- just ask first who cares it is for your safety.

as i mentioned that drunk from last night takes MANY hours to go away.wonder if he was a t a bar previous night and drove home!!??

You're right, ledzep. We've really been treating this man unfairly. I mean, it was already after 6:00 A.M., and his blood alcohol level was only 0.5, while driving with four children in the car, two buckled illegally.
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Does anyone know where I should go to nominate this gentlemen for a "father of the year" award?

Regardless of what his blood alcohol content was, he still was driving with at least one of the children buckled illegally, still has a history of hit and run accidents and even if he was trying to get the kids and himself to leave his home because of a possible carbon monoxide leak, doesn't mean he needed to drive. Everyone present could have left the premises on foot, called someone else to come and get them and called the electric company from a pay phone down the street at the Lions Quick Mart or asked a neighbor if they could use their phone. I heard there was an ambulance there again yesterday because of another threat of carbon monoxide and the baby was blue when the ambulance got there - don't you think if there was a problem with this all on Sunday, that it should have been taken care of by now? What is wrong with this person's judgement? If they are renter's, they should be calling the landlord to fix the place. It should have been fixed on Sunday. So why is there another problem again on Wednesday? Seems to me someone isn't doing what they need to do to insure the safety of the family. Face it they aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

ledzep77: ok, so, even if his blood acohol level was below the legal level, don't you find it backwards in thinking you are willing to put children at risk after you have been drinking any amount AND had just argued with the mother, then put everyone in the same vehicle? So, instead of injuring oneself, it is okay to drive and drive with 4 kids and another adult in the car?

lakenkeddy- do you think these people are smart enough to realiaze they may be the ones that should be volunteering for this sterilization in the first place??? it doesnt take to many brains to use protection in th efirst place. and besides more free money and programs per child that wont get passed onto the child-for some of them who wont work

AMEN optimism! It is so nice that someone else is able to realize that we are human!

lakennedy: I love your idea! For those of us that are not able to randomly have a child of our own without all kinds of fertility treatments (that are VERY expensive even if insurance covers it), this is quite aggrevating to see someone have children left and right only to not care for them like they deserve. So, in conclusion, sterilize the dang fools who can't take care of the kids they got and still go sleep around!

curlysue....I am sorry for the danger you were put in as a child (I can also relate to an abusive childhood), but as I have noticed with my own self is that I have learned what I WILL NOT DO with my own children, as I am sure you have too....at least you and I together have stopped two vicious cycles. I am happy you are here today to tell your story.

LAKENNEDY....obviously you hit a sore spot with your not so much friend here. Apparently, he/she has had some sort of dealings with the fate of children and is seeing what she wants to hear in your words. I completely GET what you said, completely agree with what you said, and would vote for what you said in a heartbeat. It is funny isn't it how someone can jump on the band wagon to tell you how wrong you are and not realize that another band wagon is ready for the taking to tell them how wrong they are also....just because two people have different opinions doesn't mean that either is wrong....it just means that we are human.

curlysue: amen sista!

and it's no wonder WI has the highest rate of drunk drivers in the US. Nothing happens to them!! Even when they kill/injure someone.

"People like him will never change if they have family and friends constantly enabling them to screw up over and over again. It's a shame because the only way he will every learn is if someone says "no I'm not helping you out of this"!"
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It's not just family and friends enabling 'people like him'. It's the laws, people never 'pay' for their actions. That's why there are 3,4,5,6, offences.
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A sad example - My alcoholic father was born and raised in WI. He darn near killed me twice while driving drunk in this state. In the early 80's his wife was transfered to Utah, they lived just outside Salt Lake City, a dry city. He was arrested for drunk driving once, and spent 10 days in jail. He then packed up and moved back to Viroqua. When I asked him why he and his wife retired early, sold everything and moved back here, his responce - while chuging his 8th beer of the afternoon - "When I get arrested for DUI here they don't send you to jail".
If that's not enabling a drunk to drive, I don't know what is!!!!!

Neither are you. Who are you to say that these kids should stay in that kind of hell?

You must have a "Greater than thou." mentality. You are not God.

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"I will certainly never feel I should make the choice if a parent should no longer have anymore children or not."
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I don't feel that anyone should make that choice for another person. That's why in my original post, I specifically clarified that it would be purely voluntary.
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"Certainly never that someones children should be taken away from them."
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You're kidding, right? I feel more than confident saying that there are a lot of parents who should have their child taken away from them. How about Israel's father? Did you miss that story? He would still be alive if it weren't for his father. How dare you? Do you have any idea the amount of kids who are raped and beaten on a daily basis. Tell them that you "certainly don't feel" that someone's child should be taken away from them.

And why, exactly, are you putting quotation marks around the word "needing" I never wrote anything about "needing". You did. I never wrote that I would be the one deciding who would be sterilized, I wrote that it is on a voluntary basis. Here is what you wrote..." Who decides what a "bad" parent is? YOU?" Either reread my original post, take a reading comprehension class, or learn how to argue without putting "words into someone's mouth". It isn't okay for you to fabricate something that I never said, or wrote in this case, to further your own argument. You're literally getting upset at yourself, as you're the one creating these viewpoints. I wouldn't be the one to choose anything, as clearly explained in my post.

I don't know if you are purposely misunderstanding me or just plain not getting it. The individual would decide to go through the procedure. No one else would decide. It wouldn't be a form of punishment for anything, it would be a choice made by the person choosing to take it.

Wow, lakennedy is giving the people a choice about sterilization before they have the chance to be bad parents. Seems proactive to me. Chances are, the people who would opt for sterilization would be most likely the same ones who are too selfish or lack the skills to be a parent.
Also, all of the people that bash the parents of J-ville as being so hick or so bad...are you world travelers and observers of parenting? My guess is that you notice it here because you live here and are more likely to be in places where parents discipline (such as a store) than if you were on vacation somewhere... I think that what is viewed as 'bad parenting' is everywhere and is more a result of a generational difference than a geographical one. Single parenting is more common than ever which puts those raising kids in a more difficult position. Also, many parents are too self-absorbed with themselves, their careers, their toys, etc... to put the effort into parenting. So while I agree that there are a lot of people who shouldn't be parents, this is not a result of the fact that they live in J-ville, this is everywhere!

Please tell me the criteria for one "needing" or "voluntarily" going through sterilization? Making 1 mistake? Drinking beer? Spanking? Leaving a 12 year old home for a few hours while you grocery shop? Who will decide this? Is it some choice a person makes the YOU disagree with? Who decides what a "bad" parent is? YOU? I disagree with a lot of what I read in the papers about how parents conduct themselves with or withour their children. I will certainly never feel I should make the choice if a parent should no longer have anymore children or not. Certainly never that someones children should be taken away from them. We have systems in place to deal with illegal behaviors. If you want to make a difference lobby the LAW MAKERS to change the laws, VOTE, VOLUNTEER. I am guessing you have made a mistake at least once in your life? I know I have and am thankful I was given the opportunity to learn from it.

First of all, I'm a she, not a he.
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Secondly, lsj64, I don't think I'm God, nor do I have a "greater than thou" mentality. This is simply a suggestion. I'll ask you to note that this isn't a "forced" sterilization process, it is one of choice. I would not be choosing who would be sterilized, nor would you. The interested parties would have to take the initiative out of their own free will. I don't understand why you'd assume that I have a "greater than thou" mentality? Please explain.

Ignorance is Bliss........Wow.....

ljs64....how on earth did you come to the conclusion that LAKENNEDY has a greater than thou mental awareness? I think this is a wonderful idea. There are more people with kids out there that would dump their children like an unwanted dog if DNA wouldn't find them, then you think. These people would be the ones to get paid to play. I am certain of it. Like I said before, I think people should have to obtain a license to breed. I.E. I have a partially mentally retarded cousin who has TWO children. One she abandoned, the second she is still breast feeding exclusively at the age of two because she can't afford food, and lives in one of the motels that rent monthly. SHE shouldn't have been allowed to have babies. I am counting the days until she abandons this one too.

lakennedy - Finally, a smart idea.

People like him will never change if they have family and friends constantly enabling them to screw up over and over again. It's a shame because the only way he will every learn is if someone says "no I'm not helping you out of this"!

Well after reading all of these comments I must say some I right on target. I happen to know who these two clowns are. "Hang em high"
this TJ will never learn. Matter fact his father wants to bail the fool out AGAIN!!! Born with a silver spoon,and will never learn.
DA better throw the book at em.

lakennedy- Great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How does LakeKennedy think he is great than God? He just thought of an idea that might help some people. He made is clear that it would be a voluntary thing, he's not saying who should and shouldn't do it or anything. Just that it would be a good option for some people.

I am very aware of the cycle of abuse. Learned a lot about this in the police academy and college and responding to domestic disturbance calls. My point is if you all do not like the laws and the penalties for breaking the laws, stop whining about the police departments, and judges and D.A and lobby your LAW MAKERS in Madison. These elected officials will be the ones to make the changes.

Clouds555 is so right. I rarely saw parents yell at their kids before like I've seen around Janesville...mostly at the grocery stores or WalMart. I've seen such bad behavior by parents that it takes all I have in me to not say something or call the police. Janesville is so hick and behind the times anyways...not that Janesville is SO much worse that other small cities, it's just gotten noticeably worse, that's all.

I think everyone should look up both parties arrest records on WCCA - and then decide if you think either of these people should be parents and be able to keep their kids.
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl
apparently ljs64 thinks I'm the only one who feels this way. Were you possibly their sitter? Why are you so defensive? I also heard from someone else who lives in the neighborhood that they heard arguing coming from their residence prior to the accident. So, yes maybe I'm assuming but it sounds to me like maybe they were both arguing and then they went to go pick the kids up. Looks to me according to WCCA that there have been domestic abuse issues in the past too and if you knew anything about the vicious cycle of abuse, you would know that the codependent in the relationship (the mother) would do just about anything the abuser/controller in the relationship said to do...plus she probably knew that he was drunk and she couldn't drive either (whether she was drunk or not, she has had OWI charges in the past too) so she probably went along for the ride to pick the kids up from the sitter to make sure they'd be okay. Bad choice on both their parts as they should have just stayed home and picked the kids up later when they were sober or asked someone else to bring them home...
I don't think it's wrong to say that either parent shouldn't be a parent and that the kids would probably be better off not living with them.

I'm wondering why as well? And is it that bad that it's actually apalling to you?

lakennedy...You must have a "Greater than thou." mentality. You are not God.

You're definitley entitled to your opinion, but I'm wondering why you're opposed to it...

I'm sorry, lakennedy, but I think it is a terrible idea. I thought your response to the children's museum was right on target, but I have lost respect for you with this idea. Maybe it's my thinking that is off here, but I think this idea is appalling.

I'm not taking credit for it, my father has said it for years. Only he thinks it should be forced sterilization for everyone convicted of a crime against a minor. I added in the idea of it being a choice, and Mayor Bloomberg provided me with the idea of paying people for choosing to do it.

Thats true I didn't think of how much it costs to reverse. It's a great idea, too bad it'll never happen because our goverment doesn't usually listen to the GOOD ideas of our people.

It's got to be pretty expensive to reverse. I'm guessing that if you want it reversed, you're pretty serious about being a parent.

I agree also that in theory it sounds like a good idea. But soooo many people would do the surgery just for the 5000$. What happens if you reverse it?

LAKENNEDY.......I TOTALLY am on your side on this one!!!! Most people DON'T get sterilized because A) they can't afford it, or B) their insurance won't cover, therefore, **see A**. The type of people that would take this offer would see the payoff of $$$$ as an incentive for sure. But, with everything, it would eventually be abused. But in theory, I LOVE IT!!

To all of you that would like to see a more selective process that enables people to have the right to have kids, here's what I'd like to see:
What I would like to see happen is an "incentive" package, if you will. I don't know if you remember this or not, but a couple of years ago, Mayor Bloomberg in New York passed an incentive plan that actually paid parents to be...well, basically parents. These parents were "paid" to attend parent-teacher conferences, take their children to the dentist, etc. I would like to see a program--purely voluntary--where people are paid to be sterilized. I know this sounds harsh, and believe me, I've gotten a lot of criticism. I just think it really makes sense. If you think of the burden/cost to society that these neglectful parents cause both financially and socially, offering $5000.00 would be an excellent bargain. On a social level, the people this type of procedure would appeal to are people who either already don't want children, or probably shouldn't have them to begin with. Just a thought...
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I posted this in an earlier thread, but think it applies here as well.

LJS64 I'm sure we would have heard by now if the mother was not "willing" to let her kids in the car or to get in the car herself. I think thats a pretty good ASSumption that she was willing. What you think she was kidnapped? Thats just an unreal assumption!

Villajanesville - check CCAP. Robbie English's Operating While Revoked charge was filed on September 15th, but was from an incident that occurred on September 5th. Totally unrelated to this incident.

GAZETTe.....PLEASE UPDATE THIS STORY.

JCK......"The passenger whether drunk or not is willingly riding and has willingly allowed her children to ride with a drunk driver." How do you know she was willingly riding and willingly allowed her children to ride with a drunk driver? And apparently you do not know if she was drunk either. "Whether drunk or not." So these are not facts, they are your assumptions.

Facts:
1. It's 6:30 in the morning and the driver was drunk. The passenger whether drunk or not is willingly riding and has willingly allowed her children to ride with a drunk driver.
2. There are four children in the vehicle. Two of whom are illegally belted.
3. The driver lost control of the vehicle, veered across lanes of traffic, went over a curb, through two yards and struck a parked vehicle.
4. After striking the parked vehicle the driver fled the scene.
5. The driver had to be physically restrained to obtain a blood sample.

Assumption:
1. The driver was pretty stupid to drive past the scene a few minutes later.

ahhh kewl. why dont people use ;) :) or somethin....:)

concernedpatriot.......You are making a lot of ASSumptions in your post. Sounds like you really have no idea what the facts are and are trying to take kids away from parents based on assumptions. Get a life and deal with facts. "More than likely" "don't know if she was passed out or knocked out in the accident." These statements are your opinion and opinions are NOT used to convict people. FACTS ARE !!

prevention- a very high metablism helps too. my FIT friend and i went out and drank the same amout. that am i blew in my breathalizer she was fine i was .07. scary!!!! and boy wwas i ill too. and yes we walked home not drive. i am close to bars.

thekid,
i think dub was being sarcastic. some of his/her previous comments lead me to believe he or she is on the team :)

Yes, it takes a while to sober up. Especially if you keep yourself dehydrated from caffeine (soda pop AND coffee). The only two ways I know of the sober up are:

A. not drink
B. drink plenty of water before, during and after the alcohol

Of course, the best way to keep us all safe, those of us that either don't drink or drink responsibly, is to stay wherever you have been drinking.

I have only heard of one case where the drunk driver faired worse than the others that they hit. Yet, that is very few and far between.

If he was high on pot, at least then he would probably wouldn't have ran, he would have been to paranoid!!!!

sad story. funniest comment EVER. please dub190..explain how it would have been 'worse' if they were high on pot??

I just want to say that I saw all of the police cars out in front of these people's residence the morning of the accident. I was awakened at 6:30 a.m. by tons of sirens coming and stopping near my house. There were 3 ambulances, two firetrucks and at least 4-6 police cars parked in front of the residence. I thought for sure when they started bringing out stretchers with people on them that a murder or something had occurred. Several other concerned neighbors were outside and worried about what was going on too. How tragic that these children were riding with these idiot parents. You are right, they didn't have a choice and could have been killed. More than likely the parents were out partying all night and went to pick up their kids from the sitters. Why else would they be driving at 6:30 a.m.? Seems to me that whomever was watching the kids prior to them picking them up should have stopped the parents from driving. I heard the mother was unconscious - don't know if she was passed out or knocked out in the accident. All I know is I hope these kids get taken away from these parents. And what about the other child that was a passenger and didn't live at the same residence? If I was that kids parents I would sure be suing these parents or at least making a formal complaint against them, hopefully that parent never trusts these parents again to drive their kid anywhere.

Good thing this guy wasn't high on pot, instead of drinking. Who knows how much worse it would have been...

I swear, you should have to get a LICENSE to have kids. Seriously. People get fined for having animal mills, isn't irresponsible parenting kind of like having kid mills?

I hope those out there that do drink and drive with kids in the car see this as your LUCK WILL RUN out. THe sad thing is, if the parent says get in, what is the kid suppose to do? Especially the infant... I hope these two look in the mirror and it isn't a pleasant sight, for a very long time.

It's people like TJ Frazier that need to be locked up for life because not only do drunken drivers endanger their own kids, but they're also putting my kid at risk. Why should my family give people like TJ Frazier a second chance when he and others like him don't even value the lives and wellbeing of their own family let alone mine?! Thankfully me and my 1 year old weren't in his path that morning. It's just mind blowing.

To bad some kids have parents like that!

seems the drink and drive under arrest-promo /scare isnt working yet!
lakenddy- or still drunk from the night before. it can take MANY hours for that to wear off

Poor kids. Stupid parents.

My god, how stupid can two adults get. First they're drunk at 6:30 in the morning. Next they're transporting their children. Then they flee an accident scene. And finally drive back past it a short time later so they can be identified. Neither is in their mid-30's and alcohol as already killed all of their brain cells.

According to WCCA, Frazier's history is quite extensive, including prior hit & run incidents, driving after revocation, and various theft/disorderly/obstructing charges.
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And he must have been driving because English was charged with driving after revocation TEN DAYS AGO. English has prior OWIs and in 2007 took a ticket for refusing a test.
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This crew had better seriously consider bus passes.

Oh, I'm sure they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law...and given a slap on the wrist, as is typical in Rock County.

How about needing a license to be a parent?

Wow..people...give your kids a friggin chance!! If you dont have a sitter stay at home!
It's not their fault their parents are drunken selfish cowardly losers!

kid,
Do you really think that these two were at the bar until 6 in the morning? I don't know any that are open that late. It's probable that they were up all night drinking at a private residence.

i hope the city decides to permit more alcohol licenses

Does 6 mins make a big differance? The driver was drunk with children in the car.

The original news blog yesterday said it happened a 6:30AM

Looks to me like both adults should be charged with child endangerment!! IF these children belong to them they should be taken away.

I hope this guy get punished to the full extent of the Law. as for the Lady.. was she knocked out by the accident or passed out?