Are kids at school too early?

By FRANK SCHULTZ ( Contact )   Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2008
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— The complaint of a group of parents might help a lot of schoolchildren get out of the cold.

Parents in the Deerfield subdivision complained that their children have to be at the bus stop by 6:30 a.m. and are dropped off at Edison Middle School about 7:10 each morning.

That exposes the kids to the elements and unsavory characters that might be in the neighborhood, parent Jeff Wagner said at a committee meeting Tuesday attended by many school board members.

Some parents and a city bus drop off other students even earlier, according to a study by district staff.

The school does not provide supervision of students until 7:15. School starts at 8.

The situation means a 9 1/2-hour school day for a sixth-grader, Wagner said.

"Where is the time for homework? Where is the time for family? Where is the rest?" Wagner said.

The problem is that the same bus runs the same route twice each morning, one for middle and high school students and one for elementary students. It appears there isn't enough time for the bus to make both runs unless it starts that early.

The solution could be adding another bus, but that would cost about $10,000 just for the rest of this school year, said Doug Bunton, district business director.

Kids aren't allowed inside Edison until 7:45 a.m. unless the weather is bad, school board members learned.

Several board members said that they didn't want children standing for that long in the cold.

Lori Stottler said the schools ask parents not to drop off kids until 15 minutes before school starts, and yet the school bus drops these kids off 50 minutes early.

"Busing them and making them stand outside is not a good solution," Stottler said.

But providing supervision for students before 7:15 would cost more money, Bunton said.

Board member Tim Cullen suggested that the administration develop a policy stating the earliest time a child can be dropped off at a school.

Cullen noted that Parker High School students on the same route are allowed to enter their school immediately when dropped off around 7 a.m., and he said the administration should provide an answer as to why the Edison students have to wait outside.

The policy also should address homebound bus times, board member Gregory Ardrey said.

Ardrey said he learned in the discussion that before-school supervision is available for Van Buren Elementary students at 7:55 a.m., but at his child's school, Monroe, supervision starts at 8:05. Ardrey said the start time should be consistent.

"I think it should be addressed before the snow flies," board member Bill Sodemann said.

And as Sodemann noted, that could be any minute now.

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WiSpedTeacher
Oct 31, 2008 at 7:45 p.m.
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A lot of parents probably WISH they could be at the bus stop with their kids.. I do.. however, I need to be on my commute to work.. THANKFULLY my kids' school allows me to drop them off at 7 for breakfast...

angelwings
Oct 30, 2008 at 7:54 p.m.
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And,btw,if school has become nothing more than daycare to working parents,maybe we should all rise up and demand employers to work around OUR schedules instead of theirs!Boy,do I love my job!!! I never have that issue!

angelwings
Oct 30, 2008 at 7:51 p.m.
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No ! Kids dont play in snow anymore because,at school,they get in trouble,and by the time they get home, it is too dark!Then comes the weekend and all they want to do is stay warm inside and relax after a hard week of bullies,homework and snotty teachers!

whoanellie
Oct 30, 2008 at 9:38 a.m.
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The public school has become nothing but a daycare for working parents who don't put their kids first. If you work and have to leave before they do, be a parent and make arrangements for them! They are your kids, and the school should not have to be reponsible for them before school actually starts. Get off the entitlement thing. The teachers don't get paid enough to do this. And I'm not willing for my taxes to go up anymore to pay for other peoples problem of daycare!! My parentes also had to work but they made arrangements for us and never felt it was the schools reponsibility, I made arrangements for my own too.

acs
Oct 30, 2008 at 8:52 a.m.
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i dont think asking for help from a neighbor is passing responsibility. IMO, it appears it is being more responsible. If a mother has kids that have to get to school, yet has a job and cant make due with the timeframe. Why would asking for help make you irresponsible?
Having kids you dont take care of, or not working to support the kids you pop out...that is irresponsible.

goblue_4
Oct 30, 2008 at 8:51 a.m.
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You all have great points and I understand what all of you are saying. I will say what no one is actually coming out and saying, I want the schools to do more for my child, but I am not willing to pay more for it. Think about it, you want more supervision, but don't want to pay more in taxes to help fund the supervisers needed.

acs
Oct 30, 2008 at 8:33 a.m.
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This is seriously unbelievable.
kids waiting 15 minutes outside in the cold for school to start is an issue nowadays?? for parents?? When i was a kid we used to play outside in the cold & snow for hours.
Wait...do kids play outside in the snow anymore?

localboysince1968
Oct 30, 2008 at 8:22 a.m.
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Wow, we are having an old fashion cat fight with you ladies on this post. Keep it up! Meow...

Irishlady4ev
Oct 30, 2008 at 8:20 a.m.
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prevention from a parents point it is a problem and needs to be addressed and the "get over yourself statement" was for you in previous comment as i dont think it was about me IMO it was about the issue in the article!

Irishlady4ev
Oct 30, 2008 at 8:17 a.m.
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The schools at one time started at different times and it was easier for my mother to take us (all 7) to school and get us there on time. And nowadog not all parents have the option to this as they have to work to support their kids as to the responsible part and having kids at different schools makes it a little more complicating when you have to be to work at about the same time.By the way I had 4 kids at 3 different schools.Craig/Marshall/Washington so there was a little traveling involved. I never had to ask a neighbor or friend as they were my kids and that is my responsibility. the responsibility i was talking about is once the child was at school.Now get over yourself

futureteacher
Oct 29, 2008 at 8:33 p.m.
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dog, you win! I agree!

nowaydog
Oct 29, 2008 at 7:54 p.m.
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This also raises a good point, when are teachers going to be teachers again instead of being babysitters for some.

staticrush
Oct 29, 2008 at 7:46 p.m.
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By staggering the starting times of elementary, middle and high school by say half an hour, or whatever time the bus needs to get around for the second route, would solve the problem nicely. Where I grew up the high school started at 7:30, middle at 8:00 and the elementary at 8:30. See what other districts are doing.

nowaydog
Oct 29, 2008 at 7:45 p.m.
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Irishlady I do have a child and I do take responsibilty for her. If I wasnt able to get my child to school when she needed to I asked other parents for help and they did the same. Im not being negative, Im being realistic. I believe teachers have set times when they need to be at school according to there contract most of the time it is 7:45am to 3:45 pm depending on the level of were they teach at.

twerp13
Oct 29, 2008 at 7:42 p.m.
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beenthere: It is not only being outside in the cold and wet weather but it is also the fact that there are bullies and other kids who may pick on or even beat up other students, not to mention the sex offenders that live in the neighorhood. Those are factors I am more concerned about. I have seen how some of these students treat others and I for one am not prepared to let my daughter be put into that kind of situation.
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That is why I take my child to school everyday instead of the bus. I am very fortunate that I am able to do this, not all parents are.
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By the way I was told that the kids cannot go inside at all unless they are actualy eating at breakfast club, otherwise they HAVE to remain outside. It is a shame that all of the schools can't have equal before school supervison and a same accross the board policy on letting the kids inside early. Like I said before if Parker can do it why not Edison or the other schools?

justoyn
Oct 29, 2008 at 6:12 p.m.
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I remember having to wait outside in the middle of winter for the bus. I was up at 5:45 to get ready and the bus came at 6:15. Then there was the pick up off the rest of the kids and finally at school at 7:15. A hour on a school bus which most the time was freezing cold. I wished my parents could take me. But both had full time jobs. They were gone before we got up. I HATED being at school that early! It was terrible.

mrmeadec
Oct 29, 2008 at 5:09 p.m.
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I live down the street from Edison middle and on my way home for work. I drive by about 6:35 a.m. I see atleast 4 or 5 kids and see parents droping kids off at that time too. Maybe they should do something along with the busses

prevention
Oct 29, 2008 at 4:33 p.m.
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It's not about my having children or not. It's about people taking responsibility for what they've created. Get over yourself!

beenthere
Oct 29, 2008 at 4:06 p.m.
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As the article states there is supervision at 7:15. There is no oversight here. And there is a breakfast program at Edison. People get all worked up because the students may have to wait outside for 30 minutes. Do these children never play outside during the winter or other times of the year, or are they only allowed outside on sunny 65 degree days under constant supervision?

Irishlady4ev
Oct 29, 2008 at 4:06 p.m.
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Prevention and nowadog do you have children? If not why would you comment with such negativism. As a parent I have concerns for these kids. And during school hours the school is responsible for these kids as that is part of the job the chose to do. And this would classify as school hours as they are dropped off by the SCHOOL BUS.....

Irishlady4ev
Oct 29, 2008 at 4 p.m.
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It has nothing to do with the school raising children it has to do with kids left outside for a long period of time. And it is wrong!!! If it was your child you would feel different. There needs to be an alternative to this and soon as it will be cold and most likely wet.

kcole
Oct 29, 2008 at 2:59 p.m.
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prevention and nowaydog are correct in that this is all about responsibility. In the fall the bus schedule is agreed upon by Van Galder and the School district. Tell me, who is responsible for a child once they step foot on the bus? These parents are calling attention to an oversight that could be resolved easliy as haze08 and twerp13 state. I have a 13 year old girl going to Edison on the bus too. If she is picked up by the Janesville School District, then she had better be supervised by them and their designees until she returns home. If she rides her bike into town, then I as the parent am responsible. And I don't want to hear any old codger stories about walking to school uphill both ways in 3 feet of snow blah, blah, blah. The world is a different place than when we were kids.

tickle_32
Oct 29, 2008 at 2:40 p.m.
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I remember when I was in middle school, we would have about 20 minutes each morning to walk around the hallways to visit with friends before school started. Now, students are not allowed in until 5 minutes before class starts. As far as the bus thing, we live 1.3 miles from the school and my kids are scheduled for pick up in the morning 35 minutes before school starts. They would be on the bus for about 25 minutes to go 1.3 miles. That is just insane. I am fortunate enough that I can take them to school before I go to work. Parents, if you have that opportunity, take it. With as busy as everyone is these days, I love spending that 10 minutes in the car with them in the morning. Sometimes that is about the only uninterrupted time I get.

prevention
Oct 29, 2008 at 2:19 p.m.
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Thank you! I am glad that I am not the only one who thinks that the majority of today's parents expect the schools to raise their children. Next time your at it, parents, think it through if you are ready to raise your own children yourself! "next time you're at it" you're all adults, you should be able to understand reading between the lines!

beenthere
Oct 29, 2008 at 1:37 p.m.
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I agree with prevention as well. If you don't like what the District offers, be responsible for your own child. Speaking of unsavory characters, I hope Mr. Wagner never lets his daughter go to the fair, movies, mall or any place else like that unsupervised. Maybe he could drive the neighborhood children to school.

twerp13
Oct 29, 2008 at 1:24 p.m.
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I agree that the busses get to Edison way too early. When school started this year and we were sent a country bus schedual I realized my kid would be at school unsupervised and made to stay outside for a 1/2 hour.
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I made the decison to drive her to school each day rather than to leave her in that kind of situation. If the busses have to drop off that early then by all means there should be a safe and warm place for the kids to go untill it is time to head for class.
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For heavens sake if they can do that at Parker why not Edison? I seriously think the district should have thought about this a LONG TIME AGO.

fschultz
Oct 29, 2008 at 12:54 p.m.
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Our mistake on the 92-hour thing. Here's what happened: I wrote 9 1/2 (That's nine-and-one-half) hours, but when the file was tranferred to the Web site, the software converted it to 92 hours. We should have caught it, as this is an ongoing problem. Thanks to alert reader and school board member Bill Sodemann for bringing it to our attention. --Gazette reporter Frank Schultz

mommyopes
Oct 29, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.
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Read the article again, it says 9-1/2 hour school day!

haze08
Oct 29, 2008 at 10:59 a.m.
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i used to go to edison middle school and i think the kids do get dropped off to early. Some parents have to be to work at 8am and they cant be late or else they will lose their jobs and with the way the economy is right now a job is a job, pretty soon people will be complaining that they need financial help and look towards the schools to help provide for their child(ren)! Yes the winter time of year is quite cold i will admit! but the school should open at 7am and all the kids should be held in the lunch room area and then when 715 or 730 comes around let the 7th-8th graders go into the commons area! just like they did when i was there..umm what ever happen to breakfast club? I kno of a teacher at edison who recieve free bagels! granted its not alot but at least it gets kids out of the cold!

nowaydog
Oct 29, 2008 at 10:56 a.m.
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I would have to agree 100% with prevention, its about time parents start taking a little responsibility in there children. You just cant satisfy everyone. Some parents are requesting for other resources to help care for there children. It seems I read about it everyday lately. When are some parents going to start being parents again and be responsible for there children!!

localboysince1968
Oct 29, 2008 at 10:05 a.m.
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Why do middle school kids need to be supervised? They are not able to manage themselves? I rode the 'country' bus and had the same schedule. It didn't bother me any, and I never complained about it. It was better to be on the bus early, than at home subject to early chores........

prevention
Oct 29, 2008 at 9:55 a.m.
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oh yeah, AND we had a prison 3 miles up the street. Initially it was a medium-security prison and was switched over to a maximum-security prison.

It just seems like 92-hour days!

prevention
Oct 29, 2008 at 9:52 a.m.
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If you complain about your children waiting at the bus stop, stay with them, let them and their friends sit in the nice warm car and you can protect them from the world. Or drop them off at school. Or come up with a plan with your neighbors to take turns in keeping the kids safe.

Nothing happened to me and my neighbors and we stood in colder weather and with crazier people around. Take action FOR your kids, don't sit back and complain! Teach your kids to be leaders and solve problems on their own!

cjjs35
Oct 29, 2008 at 9:52 a.m.
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Hey Gazette - "The situation means a 92-hour school day for a sixth-grader, Wagner said" I assume you mean a 9 hour school day.

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