Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
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A marijuana growing operation discovered in Rock County in August appears to be part of a wider organized operation. Kyle Geissler reports.
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This camp serves as proof that someone had been tending to the massive marijuana growing operation.
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Clinton police officer Aaron Walz makes his way through a massive marijuana growing operation in a rural area near Lima Township. The grow operation, which authorities recognized as a 'very well disciplined operation,' included an estimated 2,400 high-grade plants that had been transplanted, not grown from seed.
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Lima Township marijuana grow.
JANESVILLE — It was big. It was sophisticated. It was highly organized.
It was the largest marijuana-growing operation the brass at the Rock County Sheriff’s Office had seen in their decades on the job.
And it apparently was the operation of a criminal organization rooted in Mexico but flowering in the upper Midwest.
No arrests have been made in the ongoing investigation.
“These aren’t farm boys trying to make a few bucks,” Sheriff Bob Spoden said. “There was a level of sophistication I haven’t seen in my career.
“This was new for our experienced drug officers.”
And it was new to the hunters scouting private land in Lima Township near Rock-Walworth County Line Road and Johnstown-Lima Town Line Road in the northeast corner of Rock County.
Isolated location
The grow site was not in Lima Marsh but was adjacent to public land, said Spoden, who declined to be more specific about the location.
The Janesville Gazette learned the crossroads to which the site was nearest through search warrant documents.
Two hunters had stalked deer in some 15 acres of woods and swampy land around the woods last fall. They returned to set up their deer stand for the upcoming season Saturday, Aug. 23.
They found the remnants of what looked to be a harvested marijuana field, about an acre in all, said Lt. Todd Christiansen, head of the sheriff’s office detective bureau.
When they found the first of two tents at the grow site, they backed out of the woods and called the sheriff’s office.
The sheriff’s new Special Investigation Unit—made up of officers from several jurisdictions—went to search the area.
‘Awesome’ plants
The officers found four separate areas—each about an acre—that had been cleared to grow reefer, and they encountered about 600 6- to 8-foot-tall, high-grade, female marijuana plants growing in one of the areas, Christiansen said.
“Some, you couldn’t get your arms around,” he said. “They were very well tended, very well cared for. … The plants were awesome.”
In addition, they found a 2-foot mound of marijuana scraps, what Christiansen called “waste,” and about 11 pounds of processed marijuana.
They found a second tent—an obvious encampment—and two men who looked Latino.
The men, who officers suspect were there to tend and harvest the plants, took off running. Officers were not able to catch them or find a vehicle that they might have used to flee the area.
Officers first went to the site about 10 a.m. Aug. 23.
At 10:30 or 11 p.m. that day, a Milton officer saw two Latino males in dirty, tattered clothes walking near Highway 26 and Johnstown-Lima Town Line Road, Christiansen said.
But before the officer could stop and question them, they ran into a cornfield and escaped.
“We’re assuming they’re the same two,” he said.
Money to Mexico
At the grow site, officers found no weapons, booby traps or money, Christiansen and Spoden said.
But they found a cell phone, a notebook with names, phone numbers and PIN numbers and receipts for the transfer of money from the United States to Mexico, according to the search warrant documents.
“You’re seeing these type of grow operations all over the United States—California, Arkansas,” the sheriff said. “After 9/11, border security was greatly enhanced, so it was more difficult for smugglers to get marijuana and other drugs across the border.
“So they’re getting willing participants to come across the border for these activities. Obviously, this is a sophisticated operation not only able to bring in people but also the resources to build and maintain these areas.”
Officers had to use all-terrain vehicles to get into and out of the site, but they found no vehicles for the two men tending it.
The men had camouflaged their living tent with a dark tarp covered by foliage, and either they or another crew had stacked the foliage cleared from the grow sites to act as barricades, Christiansen said.
Officers found paths worn through the woods but not through the 6-foot-high marsh grass surrounding them.
The marsh grass was so tall that when officers walked through it, they could see only the tops of the trees in the woods, Christiansen said.
Besides marijuana, the men at the site were growing tomatoes and cucumbers.
Officers found a lot of empty Corona beer cases, Mexican food, a cooking stove, kitchen utensils and sleeping gear for two people.
‘Well disciplined operation’
Based on the evidence, investigators think the suspects are Mexican, Spoden said. “We know they are Latinos. We saw them.”
Investigators think that as many as three, possibly four, crews worked the site: one crew to clear it, another to plant the marijuana, the third, and perhaps a fourth, to tend and harvest the crop, Christiansen said.
Local investigators have no leads on how and where the pot was to be distributed or on the identity of the two fugitives, he said.
In addition, police have picked up no leads on which criminal gang provided the umbrella of resources and organization for the grow site or on any disruption in local marijuana distribution.
“So it was a very well disciplined operation with no prior knowledge or intelligence on the street,” Christiansen said. “What that leads us to believe is that these people were left out there and lived out there and didn’t have any contact with locals.”
Local investigators are talking to authorities in other counties about similar operations.
Although the growers had painted the tree stumps green and camouflaged parts of the operation, a savvy observer could have spotted the site from the air if he or she knew what to look for and where to look, Christiansen said.
But he doubted that widespread aerial reconnaissance would have found the growing site.
“The property owner and neighbors all around it were surprised,” Christiansen said. “The property owner hadn’t been there in years, but he allowed hunting.”
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The large marijuana farm found here in August apparently was the work of organized criminals and is similar to those discovered in August and July in Kenosha County and McHenry County, Ill.
Investigators from the counties have been comparing notes on the discoveries, and a summit of sheriffs has been discussed. Federal drug investigators also are aware of the massive reefer grows.
While local investigators in the various counties say they have no direct evidence linking the marijuana farms, the similarities lead them to suspect they are related, possibly the work of a single organized crime gang.
Latino men, probably Mexican immigrants, lived at and tended the sites. The farms involved hundreds to thousands of high-grade, transplanted plants in remote areas in or near woods and water.
Authorities pegged the value of each plant, had it grown to full size, at $800 to $1,250, so the farmers were growing marijuana that could have fetched millions of dollars on the street.
Kenosha County
In July, a farmer in Brighton Township in Kenosha County saw a man running through a cornfield. When detectives investigated, they chased but did not catch two suspects, but the cops found 5,200 marijuana plants, some in the field but most in woods adjacent to the field, said Sgt. Frank Iovine, head of Kenosha County’s controlled substance unit.
The men used a generator to power a pump and draw water from a nearby pond through pipes and hand-dug ditches to irrigate the plants, and they apparently carried water as well, Iovine said.
“This wasn’t junk weed,” Iovine said. “Had they brought it to harvest, they would have gotten top dollar.”
The two men dropped their wallets in the chase, and officers found Mexican driver’s licenses in them, he said.
As in Rock County, investigators in Kenosha County believe that different crews worked the grow sites at different phases: clearing, planting, tending, harvesting and processing.
“It’s a compartmentalized operation,” Iovine said, “so if you catch a tending crew, they might not be able to give you much information. We know they’re using Mexican labor, but we haven’t determined if it’s a Mexican gang. It could be an Anglo gang hiring Mexicans.
“Because each phase is compartmentalized, it’s difficult to trace back up the ladder.”
McHenry County
McHenry County officers arrested one man suspected of being a pot tender, Sheriff Keith Nygren said.
The suspect was Mexican. He told detectives he was hired at a Chicagoland mall by another man, who, the suspect said, was Latino but whose nationality was unknown, Nygren said.
“The guy we arrested was an employee,” the sheriff said.
Authorities discovered six or seven large grow sites in McHenry County in July and August, and evidence at four or five of them—such as tents, makeshift furniture and kitchens and portable showers—indicated that people were living there, Nygren said.
Four of the sites were big as football fields and could have been growing as many as 5,000 to 6,000 plants each. One of the big farms was made up of obviously transplanted plants, which, Nygren said, probably were started indoors in hydroponic tanks.
About half the growing sites were on public conservancy land, and all were found within a 4- or 5-mile-diameter rural area—usually near streams—not far from Wisconsin, Nygren said.
Officers in Kenosha and McHenry counties did not find any guns or booby traps at the grow sites this summer, but Nygren said his officers have found punji sticks—sharpened stakes—at pot farms in the past.
Walworth County
Although officials in three counties—Rock and Kenosha in Wisconsin and McHenry in Illinois—said they thought at least one similar sophisticated growing operation with an encampment was found in Walworth County, Capt. Dana Nygbor, head of detectives, refused to acknowledge it.
“I’m not going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation,” she said.
In May, a Walworth County farmer discovered a cornfield with 400 to 500 young marijuana plants apparently growing from seeds, not transplanted plants, but investigators did not find evidence of anyone living there, Nygbor said.
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SOPHISTICATED OPERATION
Officials said the Lima Township marijuana farm was a sophisticated operation because:
-- It was isolated in hard-to-get-to terrain in woods near water.
-- It had four growing areas cleared of hundreds of trees by handsaws.
-- Tree stumps were painted green to avoid detection.
-- An estimated 2,400 high-grade plants were transplanted, not grown from seed.
-- They found paper cups holding baby plants painted green to avoid detection.
-- Each plant would have yield three-quarters to a full pound of pot. The value of 600 found plants was estimated at $750,000.
-- Tenders lived in a camp on site and used fertilizer, irrigation ditches and groundwater drawn from 2-foot-deep hole.
-- Several crews were believed to have worked the site at various stages: clearing, planting, tending and harvesting.
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POT PATROL
Rock County Sheriff Spoden encouraged rural landowners to walk their property and look for suspicious activity, such as marijuana growing.
If landowners, hunters, hikers or others encounter a site they suspect is being used for illegal activity such as pot-growing, they should not disturb it, Spoden said.
They should contact the sheriff’s office immediately.
Residents should be wary and careful around such areas because many marijuana-growing sites have been found to be booby-trapped with explosives and/or sharpened stakes. Guns and other weapons have been found at pot farms as well, Spoden said.
The traps and guns are not necessarily intended to dissuade law enforcement but to protect against competitors swooping in and stealing the valuable crop, the sheriff explained.
Although officials in three counties—Rock and Kenosha in Wisconsin and McHenry in Illinois—said they thought at least one similar sophisticated growing operation with an encampment was found in Walworth County, Capt. Dana Nygbor, head of detectives, refused to acknowledge it.
“I’m not going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation,” she said.
In May, a Walworth County farmer discovered a cornfield with 400 to 500 young marijuana plants apparently growing from seeds, not transplanted plants, but investigators did not find evidence of anyone living there, Nygbor said.
Oct 20, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.
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Interesting piece, good investigation. Particularly interested to learn about punji sticks.
Oct 20, 2008 at 8:10 a.m.
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So the money they are making is going back to Mexico. NAFTA has hit the drug trade.
Oct 18, 2008 at 6:19 p.m.
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I had a dark haired dark eyed man that could possibly be a bit hispanic come to my door today asking if he could hunt our land.....I bet he is wanting to crop spot....hmmmmmm....wonder what I should do? LOL. I am so kidding about the hispanic thing, he was more Itailian looking......
Oct 18, 2008 at 6:16 p.m.
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EVANSVILLEHOUSE....you are a real downer, and take life WAY too seriously. If someone's decisions DON'T affect YOU PERSONALLY....you have to let it go. Your opinion you are entitled to, but judgement you are not.
Oct 18, 2008 at 5:48 p.m.
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At the end of your paragraph, hit the RETURN key, then the SPACE key, then the RETURN key again.
Oct 18, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.
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MathewWaters, that was such a fine and reasonable defense of pot smoking I came very close to going outside and rolling up some lawn clippings in a Papa John coupon.
And sweet..., stop being so mean to me, I brought you and thekid together, didn't I? You both owe me big-time.
Also, for paragraph breaks, just remember this: a "space" is a character, just like a "period" or a "letter" is a character. But not like thekid is a character.
Oct 18, 2008 at 2:04 p.m.
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That was another good post MatthewWaters! It's really cool that you can be honest about your opinions without worrying what everyone else is thinking. That you do it for you in your free time. I think the biggest reason people dont is because of what they've heard of it and the mentality they have about the people that do smoke. We keep getting called "potheads" like we just sit around all day and get high and much out with the TV on. Most everyone I know that smokes has a job and is a responsible member of society. And you are another proven person that if legalized it doesn't mean everyone will be high all the time. I believe MANY people would just like to enjoy it every once in a while. Me I like it everyday and I only do once my daughter is sound asleep. I've never gone to school or work high because like you I know what I can and cannot handle and I just couldn't handle that.
Oct 18, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.
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hey matthew good post. put a
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between your paragraphs an they should split:)
Oct 18, 2008 at 1:43 p.m.
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Is there some trick to keeping your paragraphs separate on this forum? The paragraphs are always separated when I do a preview but when I post there is never any space between them.
Oct 18, 2008 at 1:39 p.m.
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Gazettefan:
I kind of got tired of it. That, and my career started taking off, my family grew, and I had less and less time to mess with it. I'm a really busy man. I own my own business and If I'm not working I'm spending quality time with my family, hanging out with the wife, helping my kids with their studies, coaching their sports teams, etc.
Most people who smoke pot give it up or at least cut way down when they get older. I'm in my forties. I was 13 years old the first time I smoked it. I smoked a fair amount in high school, lots in college, lots when I was earning my advanced degrees, and quite a bit on nights and weekends during the first few years of my career. Having several kids put a stop to most of that though. I'll still do it every once in a blue moon, but I don't buy it or keep it around the house or hang out much with people who do it. If I meet up with some old friends in town for a class reunion or something or maybe if I'm at the lake on a long weekend or whatever I might do it if the opportunity presents itself, but for the most part I leave it alone.
I'm not really worried about getting caught, because I hardly ever do it and I don't put myself in situations where I'm likely to get caught. I've always avoided those situations and have never been much worried about getting caught. I'm the clean cut pillar of the community type. I live in a nice neighborhood, make good money, never get in trouble. I avoid trouble makers. I don't frequent bars or drink much at all for that matter.
I suppose it would be embarrassing to get caught but the likelihood of that happening is really next to none, and if I did get caught and they did actually charge me not much would happen to me. I'd pay the fine and go on.
When my kids grow up and I start working less I might do it a little more, but not that much. It does make me more forgetful if I do it a lot. It's also a waste of time. It's something I like to do only if I don't have important things I need to be doing that require me to be at my best mentally. I consider spending quality time with my family to be one of those important things, and I don't like to be under the influence of anything when I'm doing that. Pot makes me withdraw somewhat into my own little world. You aren't really spending quality time with others if you are in your own little world.
Every once in a while though on one of those rare occasions when I have free time all to myself, it's kind of nice to do get a little buzz. I don't like to get really stoned, just a little buzz. I'll play my guitar, paddle a canoe down a river, think and let my mind wander a little. As long as I only do it in moderation and under the right circumstances it is a very gratifying experience for me, one that I believe improves the quality of my life. I doubt I ever give it up entirely and if I do it certainly won't be because the government tells me I have to give it up.
Oct 18, 2008 at 1:37 p.m.
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Drug assasins?? Oh and Gfan trust me I was kidding about the chilling together thing. I don't think I would want to argue with you in person either. I am glad we can both agree on that!
Oct 18, 2008 at 12:38 p.m.
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Well, it looks like the band is back together, but I got to go out. ;~)
sweet..., I don't get into arguments in person. What's good about blogging is that it removes all or most of the pitfalls of in-person arguing. ;~)
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Oct 18, 2008 at 12:33 p.m.
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I'd be worried about drug-crazed assassins!!!
Oct 18, 2008 at 12:29 p.m.
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plus sweet the 'more' kids that do get it will still ultimately have it in their hands thanx to a regulated source(SAME AS ALCOHOL)...vs a 'drug' dealer with dollar motives...
Oct 18, 2008 at 12:26 p.m.
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weve debunked every other argument so i think thats pretty much all gfan has sweet...is the POTENTIAL exposure to kids. alcohol has been such a model drug as far as something an adult can choose while not having it be consumed by minors...that there is NO WAY the pot laws could ever compare;)
Oct 18, 2008 at 12:26 p.m.
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i like to enjoy wine with my breakfast!! so 1:42 pm to crack opoen a bev would be late for me!!
Oct 18, 2008 at 12:18 p.m.
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And what EXACLY is pots problem. I wasn't around for some of the other articles you and the kid were debating on. So I've never really heard WHY you think pot is so horrible. I've heard you mention keeping it out of kids hands which I totally agree with but again, legal or not they'll get it if they want it. I think legalization MAY make is a little easier for some kids but I honestly dont think for many and I dont think many kids will be trying it at any earlier of an age. I mean come on once you in high school, you can make your own decisions for the most part. They'll do it if they want to legal or not!!
Oct 18, 2008 at 12:13 p.m.
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Oh god!! I can't decide wether Gfan would make me geek out with all of his rants or bring me compltley down! I'm going to guess geek out though cause I laugh at some of the things you say WITHOUT pot! And again Gfan you said "MathewWater, a lot of illegal things have some degree of popularity, that doesn't necessarily mean we should legalize them."
To me that statement is comparing pot with other illegal drugs and honestly I cant really name one other illegal drug I would agree legalizing. I just used herion and coke as examples because those two pop into mind. But I could have used lots of other things; prescription pills, meth, inhalents, crack, mushrooms etc. Can you tell me which of these you WERE comparing pot to in your previous statement??
Oct 18, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.
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ok...ill chime back in gfan:) im in the best shape of my life physically, mentally, and financially. seriously. i do yoga several times a week and im not even sure how many miles i put on my blades this summer...ill just say enough(most of which were buzzed miles;). my hair IS beautiful...courtesy of my hempseed conditioner;) and the munchies can be controlled. drinkers can learn to drink. smokers learn to smoke. no better no worse. just the SAME. thats all gfan. its the SAME. pot/alcohol have good and bad features...but it mostly comes down to the individual. i believe you are 'all for personal responsibility' if i do recall. im in for a couple bong rips and some doritos with sweet. maybe...gfan...youd like to join us to see what were talkin about??
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good post sweet on the history of hemp b4;). you forgoto mention that this great country gfan and i love so much...printed the original declaration of independance on hemp paper...so one COULD say that it all began with pot:)
Oct 18, 2008 at 11:40 a.m.
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Good, then you both can admire thekid's hair which he so proud of. And a sad irony of pot is that it inherently doesn't include the calories that alcohol does. But it gives you the munchies, serious munchies. I'll bet thekid has put on a lot of pounds in recent years. thekid, let us know.
sweet...., you're saying that I'm saying that pot is as bad as heroin. I'm not.
What ever heroin and alcohol are doesn't change what pot is. Pot is its own problem.
Oct 18, 2008 at 11:24 a.m.
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Oh and Susan I love the post!!! Gfan is right about one thing you, the kid and I should have a pot smoking, dorito eating party!! They've got those super sized bags, we can all share.
Oct 18, 2008 at 11:23 a.m.
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Wow awesome way to dodge Gfan! You never answer any of the ?'s I ask. Wonder why?
Oct 18, 2008 at 10:08 a.m.
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sweet...., your post isn't precisely responsive enough to my post for me to comment on it beyond the writing of this sentence.
susan...., Did you write your post while high on pot? It isn't very pleasant. Write one when you're blitzed and let's see.
Also, you and thekid should try smoking reefer alone together in a room and see what a peaceful experience it is when he's got a death-grip on the Doritos!!!
Oct 18, 2008 at 9:57 a.m.
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Again do you really feel pot is as harmful as herion? You cannot compare the two JUST because they are both illegal especially when the conversation is mostly about the legalization of the substance. And what about this "drug war"? I mean you can honestly say that you think we are getting somewhere? You like spending BILLIONS a year on something that will NEVER stop. You can't stop the demand for pot, it's just impossible. As long as the human race is here there will be a demand for it. Also I dont think that someones reasons for quitting (whatever they may be) means that they have a negative view on smoking in most cases. Most people DO stop as they get older, some people cannot balence life and smoking so they quit. That's the responsible choice to make FOR THOSE PEOPLE. I think most people who want to smoke and could smoke responsibly dont because they could lose their job possibly or because they are scared of being caught buying it, something along those lines.
Oct 18, 2008 at 9:55 a.m.
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Wow, as an outsider reading the comments on this story, non-withstanding your entitlement to your opinions, this is an argument that cannot be won. Facts being ... pot, reefer ,ganga, dro, whatever you want to call it is NOT a drug persay. It is a beautiful, flowering God rearing plant that which if you happen to burn makes the world a HAPPIER place. It is not chemically altered, like heroin, cocaine, meth or any of that garbage. Its grown like tobacco, and even less chemically altered than tobacco. Who do you know who's ever smoked a blunt and gone out and killed someone or OD'd ? All I've ever thought about killing was a bag of Doritos! What about all the chemicals we ingest on a daily basis unknowingly? WWJD? Probably pick some dro, drop it in his pipe and SMOKE IT! Leave us pot smokers alone!! And those of you whom are "X" potheads, we don't care about your holier than thou attitudes, just because you quit doesn't make you any less an a$$#@!*. Who knows if it will ever be legal? Personally i don't care, I will take the measly $167.00 ticket for possession, or move to Dane County where at least there's some assimilance of compassion.
Oct 18, 2008 at 9:48 a.m.
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sweet...., comparisons and analogies are never perfect. The ones I used here are mainly to contradict the rationale for legalizing pot: A lot of people do something illegal therefore we should make it legal. Sometimes we do legalize something that used to be illegal. With pot, though, that brings us back to what pot is. The medicinal use of THC and the commercial use of hemp are separate from pot smoking. Then the wheel-spinning begins on how harmful or nonharmful pot smoking is.
To that point, maybe MathewWaters can tell us why he quit.
Oct 18, 2008 at 9:13 a.m.
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Oh and MattWaters, everything you have said has been awesome!! Just thought I'd give you some props!
Oct 18, 2008 at 9:05 a.m.
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You're right when you say that every illegal drug there is a demand for should not be legalized. I dont think that herion or coke should be available in a store, but do you really think pot falls into the same field as those others? That is what we are arguing here, that pot is "pretty much" a harmless drug, of course there will always be abusers but for the most part people can smoke sensibly. You cannot really tell me that you see herion on the same level as pot. You make all these outragous comparisons, first it was murder. You think that anything illegal is on the same level, murder is to THC possesion, herion to pot. Just because pot is illegal and something else is illegal does not put them together or mean they are equal offenses. Not at all.
Housewife, are you really that dense to keep bringing up the Kid's kids? Seriously, how would you feel reading that stuff. AGAIN, it's one thing to disagree but by saying the stupid stuff you have you're just showing how childish and immature you are, and a lot of other words I cant say on here without getting my post taken off. Stop your whole holier than thou routine because you're obviously not a very good person to be making stabs like that. Great you do foster care but in my opinion those kids seem better off with the Kid than with you if you're teaching them to have the same manners and respect for others!!
Oct 18, 2008 at 8:31 a.m.
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MathewWater, a lot of illegal things have some degree of popularity, that doesn't necessarily mean we should legalize them.
Pot should stay illegal probably for the reasons you quit smoking it.
Oct 17, 2008 at 11:45 p.m.
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gazettefan:
It is true that without demand there would be no commercial production of marijuana. It is also true though that if it wasn't illegal, we wouldn't have commercial production of marijuana in our forests or in rent houses or anything like that. Prohibition causes that, There are a lot of unintended harmful consequences to the prohibition of marijuana, just like we saw with the prohibition of alcohol. The demand is there. It's been high for decades and by now it should have dawned on us that that isn't likely to change. We know about the demand and have known about it for a long time, but as a society have chosen to keep marijuana illegal. There are negative repercussions to that choice. We should acknowledge that.
I can't throw a lot of blame around. I'm one of the more than 100 million Americans who has smoked pot. I smoked plenty of it when I was younger. If you are between the ages of 21 and 55, chances are you've smoked it too. More than half of all Americans between those ages have and quite a few older and younger than that have too. Even if we haven't smoked it in a long time we are all just as much to blame as people smoking it today.
Oct 17, 2008 at 9:51 p.m.
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What we have here is a undocumented farmer and a undocumented pharmacist just doing the jobs that Americans won't do. They just came here to make a better life for themselves and their families. :(
Oct 17, 2008 at 8:37 p.m.
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Actually.Crafty, the ammo SAVES tax, court, jail and insurance dollars by effectively dealing with home invasions. Toilet paper saves money by controlling diseases such as salmonella and e.coli, As far as a cell phone..... well, aside from saving lives by being able to call the police in an accident, it comes in handy. Pot just makes ya stupid.
And Kid, since you sent yet another, unread and summarily deleted private message, you've been filtered. Which means I won't even know next time you send something, unless you choose one of your other usernames. If you have something to say, say it here. If i HAD opened the messages, i would have posted them here anyway.
A cute story.... when my friend bought her farm, she found a pretty large patch of ditchweed (obviously not cultivated) in her pasture. She was going to bushhog it, but her horsies LOVED it and chewed it down to the stalks. I'm sure it had no THC, but those horses must have had some munchies,
When we called the vet, she just laughed and said it was harmless.
Oct 17, 2008 at 6:51 p.m.
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the article is pretty clear that no booby traps were found at this site or any other this summer, so what are the "rotten things" attached to this traffic? i guess the two farmers littered some empty beer cases.
Oct 17, 2008 at 6:29 p.m.
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As long as there is a demand for it there will be people willing to take the risk and supply it for a profit.
Oct 17, 2008 at 6:09 p.m.
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Matt...., as others have smartly said below, it is pot users who sustain the pot traffic and everything rotten thing attached to that traffic. It is the demand for pot that put the two "farmers" in that field. Let's get cause and effect straight.
Oct 17, 2008 at 5:11 p.m.
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Housewife, the ammo you spend away in your guns could serve the same purpose...Gas, toilet paper, cell phone bills. You name it, it's all a waste of money in someones eyes.
Oct 17, 2008 at 5:07 p.m.
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evansvillehousewife:
I'm sorry for not being more clear. I should have been more specific. I meant "illegal drugs," not just any drugs. The last time I saw an estimate from the federal government they said that between 12,000 and 25,000 tons of marijuana were available on our streets in a given year. Whether we look at supply or consumption estimates for illegal drugs, marijuana dwarfs all the others. Americans do consume more marijuana than all other illegal drugs combined. In my opinion the marijuana industry is the backbone of the illegal drugs trade. It is so prevalent everywhere. More of it is being produced than any other illegal drug, more is smuggled in and transported everywhere. The distribution networks are massive and they make perfect conduits through which to move other far more dangerous drugs. Often people selling small amounts of marijuana will sell the other stuff. The organizations the middlemen are getting their marijuana from will often offer them other drugs to sell as well and that's how so much of it is moved on to street level dealers and end consumers.
Oct 17, 2008 at 4:50 p.m.
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Sorry Kid.
Your direct message went straight to File 13, circular file, not read.
Go take another toke..... and try to forget that dime bag could have bought your kid a meal in college.
But, he/she will probably just end up smoking tons of weed like you anyway.
Oct 17, 2008 at 4:16 p.m.
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Yo Matt.... just want the source as to your statement 'Americans smoke more pot than any other drug combined.
First off, the only common frud I know that is legally smoked is Nicotine, and I expect that is the #1 smoked drug. But honestly, are you making the claim that more people take pot daily than ritalin or insulin?
Source, please.
Oct 17, 2008 at 3:03 p.m.
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As we tighten our borders we will only see more and more of this. The marijuana trade is a multibillion dollar industry. Americans consume more marijuana than all other drugs combined and Mexican organized crime supplies thousands of tons of marijuana to US consumers every year. The harder it becomes for the to smuggle it in, the more they will grow here. That's just a fact of life we're going to have to deal with.
Put me in the camp with everybody who says we need to legalize it and regulate it similar to the way we regulate alcohol. I don't like marijuana and wouldn't smoke it if it was legal. There are just too many good reasons not to do it. I personally doubt very seriously that there are many people out there just waiting for pot to be legal so they can finally smoke it. If people really want to smoke marijuana and all the other good reasons not to smoke it aren't enough to stop them from doing it, then the extremely remote possibility of getting caught and having to pay a fine or something isn't stopping them from smoking it. Marijuana is already easily available to people anywhere in this country. It's already cheap on a "per buzz" basis, cheaper than beer if you buy Mexican. The really expensive stuff isn't as expensive as single malt Scotch. Most everyone out there who wants to smoke marijuana is already smoking it. We're just wasting a fortune, spinning our wheels and not doing a lick of good. We're helping organized crime make billions of dollars a years that tax paying law abiding American farmers and businessmen could be making. Want this stuff out of our forests? Let farmers grow it, and let's regulate it similar to the way we regulate alcohol. Our kids will still get it, like they get beer today, but they'll be using fake ID's to get it or having older siblings or someone buy it for them rather than buying it from drug dealers who sell far more dangerous drugs too.
I am convinced that sooner or later we're going to legalize marijuana and while a lot of people will be panicking and thinking the sky is going to fall in or something at first, before long most will be wondering why we didn't do it a long time ago.
Oct 17, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.
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OK, let's leave out the unpatriotic thing.
Oct 17, 2008 at 2:29 p.m.
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Yes, luluberry....., annoying and unpatriotic too!!!
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Oct 17, 2008 at 2:27 p.m.
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optimism!!! my god, your drinkin' post is time-stamped at 1:42pm!!!
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Oct 17, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.
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Can anyone suggest when it'll be okay to wear my sombrero out in public again? ;~)
Oct 17, 2008 at 2:16 p.m.
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sweet..., right, I gave a reason, not an insult. If someone out-reasons you it feels like an insult but then you have to come back and take the other person's reasoning apart.
Apology appreciated, and furthermore I'll cop to taking a little liberty with your "don't smoke because it's illegal" post.
Some people say that pot smoking will reduce if it's legalized because the lure of rebellion will be gone. Your post means that the pot smoking would increase if legalized. I agree with that stance.
Oct 17, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.
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so, how did this discussion turn from being about illegals growing illegal substances in our backyard to talking about that annoying stoner? Just asking...
Oct 17, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.
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I never said thekid was "losing." I was addressing the circular nature of this debate, and the fact that you keep saying "if it was legalized, there wouldn't be drug dealers" and I keep saying there also wouldn't be drug dealers if people would stop doing the illegal drugs in the first place. I'm not suggesting that we will ever get everyone to stop doing drugs (that truly would be delusional), I'm trying to get you to see that YOUR actions and the actions of all other pot-smokers play a part in the bigger picture.
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Americans’ mentality in general that their personal satisfaction and pleasures are more valuable and therefore justified (even though they negatively affect others) is the biggest reason our country is in the state it currently is.
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If we weren't so selfish and always out for No. 1 "Joe Sixpack" wouldn’t sign for a loan that was way beyond his means, Wal-Mart execs wouldn’t demand lower prices that force companies to ship jobs overseas, business owners wouldn’t outsource tech jobs to India so they can line their pockets with profits, and Wall Street execs wouldn’t have traded away our economic stability so they could enjoy the high life.
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Sure, you're "just one person," but your actions play a part in the bigger picture, just like they can play a part in changing laws (the civil rights movement, for example, involved average Americans). So put down your bowl/joint, join forces with others like you (because, as posters have said, there are many) and start working to change the laws.
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So, I think I'm done here. I need to get off the circular-debate merry-go-round.
Oct 17, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.
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optimism, say it with me...
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There's no place like home
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Oct 17, 2008 at 1:42 p.m.
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Hey. Is anyone else sick of seeing those stupid red ruby shoes flashing on the pages? I am about to have a seizure. I think I better go open a smirnoff. Evening news.....'Stay at home mom pops the top at 2pm.....would you trust your kids in her care?' hehe.
Oct 17, 2008 at 12:44 p.m.
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And again if pot became legal there wouldn't be those drug dealers and I do believe it would lessen crime in America. Of course it wont stop it or anything, there will still be REAL drug addicts with REAL problems such as herion and cocaine or prescription pills. If it were legal people could have their own plants or buy it in a store for gods sake. The goverment could sell better product for cheaper and drug dealers wouldn't be able to keep up. You dont see any drug dealers pushing whiskey anymore do ya? And again I do not think the kid left because he was "losing" because no.1 he's smart enough to know you cant "lose" on opinion. It may have something to do with all the bashing of his parenting skills, or the extremley rude people talking about his kids in foster care. This is a Gazette blog and YES it is for discussion and disagreements and even bashing other people but not their personal lives I mean their true personal lives like that. Say something about someones post or about their opinion on the topic but as I said before the things said to the Kid about his kids were over the line WAY over the line and I wouldn't want to be part of that either. I'd be willing to bet thats the real reason!
Oct 17, 2008 at 12:38 p.m.
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I'm just an average everyday american, it takes MANY to change a law. Especially one like this. I do think it will happen one day but until then I break the law. The world you want sounds great Bucky but I think you know that will NEVER happen. Youre right SOME americans dont know how to handle substances but there are far more and far worse alchoholics than potheads. I'm not those parents in the news a couple weeks ago making my kids smoke or anything. Like I said, you wouldn't sit here and bash a parent having a beer on a summer night like this! You've got a great plan, it's just dillusional!
Oct 17, 2008 at 11:09 a.m.
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I am not sure why I keep responding to kidiot. Apparently he doesn't know how to search the internet foR something he doesn't CARE about.
http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/marijua...
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijua...
http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
http://www.teengrowth.com/index.cfm?acti...
http://teendrugaddiction.blogspot.com/20...
Oct 17, 2008 at 10:55 a.m.
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Ever get the feeling you're beating a dead horse? That's why thekid dropped out of this discussion. It's a no-win proposition. I agree, pot is not any better/worse than alcohol, but again, Americans on a whole are not responsible enough to handle either. I wish our society could somehow educate our youth and those who follow that alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation and is not needed in large quantities. I'm not sure how to get that message through to them. The party lifestyle is ingrained in our culture.
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But I do think it starts with us. We need to provide good examples to our children. And that starts with obeying the laws so that our children understand that ALL laws pertain to them (not just the ones that they like). If you don't like the drug laws, change them. But don't break them just because they're inconvenient to your lifestyle.
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Finally, as long as you continue to pay drug dealers for an illegal substance, you are part of the drug trade. And by doing so, you are also fueling drug crimes. Most dealers and suppliers don't just stop with marijuana. They deal everything. And where do those drugs come from? Gangs, drug cartels, etc. You, whether you want to admit it or not, are part of the problem. Change the laws so you're not, but don't keep justifying your actions while you're breaking the law.
Oct 17, 2008 at 10:27 a.m.
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Hey, checkout the public record for today. Burglary in the Johnstown Community Center. Probably the two Latinos!!!! HA!!!
Oct 17, 2008 at 9:40 a.m.
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Bucky, I commend you for refraining from drugs and alchohol. I think that that is great, I am not on here telling people that they should all be pot smokers. I am simpy saying that if we can drink alchohol we should have the right to smoke. Marijuana is only mental addictive, someone who wants to stop can. And I dont think I should be criticized for saying "if it makes you happy, it cant be that bad" I think thats a great way to live by if you WANT to live that way. I live my life for ME, and MY family which is my choice. I could be a selfish person and neglect my daughter while I'm in another room shooting something up my arm but I'm not that way and most pot smokers I know are not that way either. Your comparing a harmless drug to VERY harmful serious drugs and I think you KNOW they are not the same! Oh and I dont NEED mind altering drugs to make me happy either, I just like them!
Oct 17, 2008 at 9:28 a.m.
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I'm sorry you didn't use the word ignorant you said I could "effectivley deal with other's logic" which to me kind of implies ignorant. When I said history doesn't matter today it may have sounded wrong. I dont think that we should look at the past when making answers for the present or the near future but if you insist then your only backing my point of view. When this country started there was undeniably legal hemp. G Washington grew it. It was legal tender at one time. The first marijuana laws were laws REQUIRING people to grow it. The sails that got Mr. Columbus here were made of hempen cloth. The word canvas comes from the dutch pronunciation of cannabis.
Oct 17, 2008 at 9:18 a.m.
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Sweet, sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but if you read my previous post, you couldn't use the alcohol argument to call me a hypocrite. I said this:
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"You might show statistics of how legalizing marijuana is successful in other countries, but as the chronic abuse of alcohol in this country has shown, we as a culture are not responsible enough to use pot with restraint. While I know many people who are pot smokers and successful, productive members of society, I know of just as many who have gone the other way. It would be better if everyone refrained from BOTH alcohol and drugs to give them the high they could discover in other ways that don't involve ingesting mind-altering substances."
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You see, I don't have to tell my child to do as I say, not as I do about alcohol, because he wouldn't find me drinking. I don't need mind-altering substances to enjoy life.
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And you're right, the demand for drugs will never stop because drug users can't/won't give them up. The epitome of selfishness ... if it makes me happy, then I'll just ignore the laws and put on blinders about my part in the drug crimes being committed with my help.
Oct 17, 2008 at 8:46 a.m.
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Just to clarify though, the article said that there were no apparent booby traps.
Oct 17, 2008 at 8:09 a.m.
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sweet...., can you tell me where I called you "ignorant", I don't think I did. I rarely insult anyone here with name-calling. (When I out-reason someone sometimes they feel insulted then the direct insults come from them.) I called thekid ignorant because he throws that one around easily and he said something that truly fits the description of ignorant.
History doesn't haven't anything to do with the here and now?!!! Yes it does; we do not live a vacuum of time. Maybe pot heads do. Living in a vacuum of time might be one of the biggest features or symptoms of pot use.
You're anti-education claim that history doesn't mean anything now is consistent with your belief that my posts don't make sense. Your claim is also consistent with pot smoking.
When I disagree with someone it's because I disagree, just like you.
This large secret world of pot smoking that you and thekid speak of comes from the nature of pot smoking which fosters the poplar opinion of pot smoking. The popular opinion of pot smoking is not a mass misunderstanding.
You have me wrong re: having a civil discussion about anything. Your problem with me is that you're unaware of my history blogging here which goes to a previous point above: You're missing the whole point of my criticism of thekid.
Again, I don't think I called you ignorant.
Oct 17, 2008 at 7:20 a.m.
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Gfan, do you really truly believe that because I smoke pot I'm ignorant. Thats just showing again your closed mind and how IGNORANT you are! All you keep talking about it the past, past, past. This is a new day and people have and will adjust to that, it doesn't really matter what happened in the past 1/2 of which you name didn't even happen in the US. Besides studying History in school, it has nothing to with the here and now! And trust me I think everyone can tell from the post that the Kid wouldn't be scared off by you, your posts barely ever make sense. You just like to disagree with people and try to get people worked up, but thats a hard thing to do to a pothead, we are pretty chill by nature. I don't see why your all so concerned with OTHERS lives. I've already said pot and alchohol should be on the same level, both have cons, and pot has pro's, I don't really see pros in alchohol but somehow thats the legal drug. Again you dont know any "responsible" pot heads because they cant tell you, you would judge, some could lose their jobs. I do know a staff director at Mercy and his wife who is an RN, they live in a nice big house and have 2 good girls that both went to good colleges oh AND they smoke pot! You dont really seem like the type of person people want to open up too, your too judgemental. I think you should take some advice from Sheryl Crow "If it makes you happy, it cant be that bad". Of course dont twist this one again and say I'm saying its ok to murder. Of course there needs to be limitations but pot should not be one of them if alchohol isn't!
Oct 17, 2008 at 5:33 a.m.
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chelleandlou both you and i know that the do gooders would never allow this , the do gooders could hold this up in courts for years.this should have been addressed 20 years ago.
Oct 17, 2008 at 3:49 a.m.
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Apparently no one read my earlier post....I had suggestions on what do do.
Oct 16, 2008 at 8:20 p.m.
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The booby trap thing is scary. I hear beer companies booby trap their factories so they won't be found out. No wait, it's legal so they don't have to. If pot were legal booby traps wouldn't be necessary for the crops either.
I'm just trying to get at that I think pot being illegal makes far more problems than if it were legal. Yeah, there are the health concerns-but there are those for alcohol too (which is legal).
For real though-the booby trap thing is scary.
Oct 16, 2008 at 7:36 p.m.
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Awesome plants..are you kidding me? They say 600 plants yielding 3/4 to a full pound is worth only $750,000. Even if each of the 600 plants was worth only 3/4 pound or 12 ounces (7200 ounces total) that's only $104 per ounce. This is NOT Awesome pot. This is what grandpa Joe is smoking on his moldy couch in his hillbilly shack out of a metal pipe. By the way, who uses the word "reefer" anymore???
Oct 16, 2008 at 7:17 p.m.
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Oct 16, 2008 at 5:29 p.m.
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sweet......, the feeling of being twisted is going on in your head because you can't effectively deal with the other person's logic.
thekid bailed because the anti-pot comments were coming too frequent for him to handle. His act is an example of the withdrawal and avoidance that is many times symptomatic of pot smoking.
The back-and-forth on the pros and cons of pot and pot smoking are one thing but blaming us for being attacked by other countries is something very much deserving of a verbal beating.
thekid likes to throw around the insult "ignorant." Anyone who makes the statement he made below is truly ignorant. He admits to being post-literature. If any one is walking around in a fog, it's him. He knows nothing about what it took to start this country and keep it going. He knows nothing about the forces in the world that would have us and the rest of the world as slaves to Nazism, Communism, or Islamo-fascism. All he can do is complain and nitpick about the fact that the world isn't exactly the way he'd like it to be. Very childish.
He'll be back again to show us how ignorant he is.
Oct 16, 2008 at 5:08 p.m.
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AND the doctor is from Chicago....things that make you go hmmmmm?
Oct 16, 2008 at 5:07 p.m.
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EKIM...this was right behind my grandma's house and she is in her eighties!! THe land it was on belongs to a doctor who is NEVER there. Now you tell me this wasn't researched??? I am just thankful my grandma wasn't out walking and found this, and it was her neighbors instead. SCARY!
Oct 16, 2008 at 5:04 p.m.
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GAZETTEFAN....ewwwww...you are a downer. Who asked for a history lesson??? hehehe. This is just another topic that will go nowhere, and none of us should lose any sleep over it unless of course one of you gets caught with it and goes to jail...well then you might lose a little sleep over it. I will stick with my smirnoff ice and bush light. BUT! I won't drink and drive....promise.
Oct 16, 2008 at 5:01 p.m.
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boy these comment sections go off don't they? Number one, who calls it reefer? I haven't heard that one since the '70's. Number two, the only reason we knew it was there was because someone stumbled on it, so chalk one up for the local constables, right? I'm so glad the war on drugs is working. Number three, people will always want to smoke/drink/inhale/shoot up all kind of things. We have since the dawn of civilization. As a parent, I don't want my children to experience the dead end that is drugs, but the same goes for alcohol. I see no difference.
The most disturbing issue is the booby traps. I don't think there is much to do but be more vigilant if you own land, and be careful of who you meet in the woods. It's a sad day, but is something that many parts of the country have been dealing with for years.
Oct 16, 2008 at 4:59 p.m.
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Like I've said before Bucky we all know that pot has it's downsides. It's a drug, no one is denying that. I can say to my YOUNG kids do as I say not as I do. We do that for many many things!! When your at home having a beer youre being a hypocrite just as much as I am. Look at yourself before your so quick to judge. Thats all I have been saying is that pot and alchohol should be considered on the same level AT LEAST, if not pot it safer and better! I'm not saying all drugs should be legal just because people want to do them but like we've said before we are wasting our time trying to stop these people and yes they took down this ONE crop but more and more will come and more after that. It will NEVER stop and you will NEVER stop the demand for the product! Thats dillusional!! Exactly what happened with prohabition!
And as far as the Kid leaving the conversation, I DO NOT think it has anything to do with you gfan since I know he's at home laughing at most of what you say because it's all so far fetched and your full of "what if" questions, someone earlier accused you of twisting words to your advantage and so far thats all I've seen you do too. Your argueing just to argue, I dont even think YOU believe what YOU are saying anymore. I've seen you agree with things the Kid has said, it's like you guys are best buds that hate eachother!! He left I'm sure because this is what. . . the 10th or 20th article this same convo has happened on. He has said his opinion MANY MANY times and I'm sure it gets a little tiring saying the same things over and over when the people your saying them too are acting like CHILDREN with their hands over their ears screaming "I"M NOT LISTENING"!
Oct 16, 2008 at 4:25 p.m.
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thekid smartly bailed because he sensed I was coming back.
Hey, pal, who defeated Nazi Germany and kept the Third Reich from taking over this country and the world? And who destroyed the plans of Maoist China and the Soviet Union for taking over this country and the world? People who drink alcohol did. Explain to us why you would say we caused those regimes to wage war of one kind or another on us.
Interesting how the hate America movement with the perverse narcissistic projection of self-contempt of self-hating Americans goes hand-in-hand with the spread of pot use and the attack on this country on 911.
If we were all pot smokers during this time, this country and this world would be a very different place. You know nothing about the world you live in. You are a child. That explains your pathological self-absorption.
Like all children you need to be protected. Appreciate it!
Oct 16, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.
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And then the illegals would fine something else to do or another drug to bring in, so it's really never going to end. There is an idea out there for doing something about this like the article says. The idea is called the police. By doing their jobs which is what law enforcement people do. Uphold the law. And then hopefully they will ship the little Latinos back and they can work on the real problem...THE BORDER. Maybe they could set up one giant booby trap the length of the border, (like a big mouse trap or something). Ok, I'm done now. This is going nowhere.
Oct 16, 2008 at 3:59 p.m.
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And I've given another solution...eliminate the demand and the growers go away! I wish thekid would think about that, too. He and his ilk are behind this problem.
Oct 16, 2008 at 3:50 p.m.
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The point of this article that you people are worried about is the illegals and booby traps in the woods. You have all taken the time to attack kid and smokers in general for what they say...but not one of you has come up with an idea as to how to get rid of the illegals with booby traps. Kid has given you an idea. Think about it.
Oct 16, 2008 at 3:35 p.m.
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"Good parenting and hard work keep young kids off drugs! And you can do that and be an avid smoker!"
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Doesn't that make you a hypocrite, then? Do what I say, not as I do? Or, even better, I know it's against the law, but it makes me feel good? What message does that send your kids? Is it OK to break the law when it makes you feel good?
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And if there's no shame in smoking pot, why not let your kids know you're doing it? Why so secretive?
Oct 16, 2008 at 3:18 p.m.
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Ok first off let me start by saying Housewife, you are rude and seem to be a very angry person. No one is critizing you and your opinions in such a way as you are to ours. I've seen lots of mean post before but you take the prize! Farmgirl how would you be affected if your kids knew kids whose parents smoked? Thats going to make your kids smoke, they dont have their own minds? Do you really think they wont encounter peer pressure throughout life? Yes if he was driving under the influence it would affect you or I but again I think what most people are trying to say is that if people can drink they should be able to smoke. Both are drugs, both can be addictive, both can be harmful. But marijuana has much more positive affects than alchohol! Do you think the drug war is working? Do you think that keeping it illegal really keeps kids off drugs? That would be a perfect world and we dont live in a perfect world. Good parenting and hard work keep young kids off drugs! And you can do that and be an avid smoker! And Farmgirl you've got to stop being so dramatic! You dont get your kids taken away for smoking pot!! It's a misdameaor like a traffic vialation. You think you get your kids taken away if you run a stop light? Thats more dangerous in my opinion!
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.
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sry this is my last post:) frmgrl i dont drive high, i use to drive drunk on a regular basis, but then i quit drinking...started smoking pot on a regular basis and became a non threatening responsible member of society...thank you very much:) good day....i said good day:) peace...im out
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:46 p.m.
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thanx optimism. frmgrl my boss knows. hes actually pro-legal. doesnt smoke but he knows the ignorance in the current prohibition. hes commented on my comments. why does he care what i do on my time?? i am the top performer at my company. the last thing ill say on this thread...cuz to go personal AGAIN is silly. my children do not know. theyve never seen me smoke. same as theyve never seen me drink. and to say i drive around high with them insults your intelligence more than mine. my kids are not on badger care. they have moved several times in their short lives...and not by my choice...theyve both gone to several schools in their short lives...not by my choice...but i gave up the life i had to follow them so i could get my 50% time. it was a no brainer. add a divorce in and my kids are still two well rounded intelligent imaginitive children. fluke?? nope. good parenting. im sry you feel the way you do about me housewife. your beliefs are based on stereotypes and not facts...so ill lose no sleep.
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spark: thats a good point on the concealed weapon thing. so i assume you understand my point then?? pots doing the same thing. there are 12 medical states now...soon to be 13(michigan) and there are towns/citys all over the country that have decrim marijuana. so like the concealed weapons thing its just a matter of time til common sense wins and both are legal in all 50...or at least uncle sam(fed) will stay out of our business and let the state decide...
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:34 p.m.
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actually it could affect my life as well as my kids, as I asked what if he and his kids are associating with mine,...wouldn't that affect me, or how about the cost of the court system and possible foster care if he were arrested...would I not be paying for that with my tax money.
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Personally I believe that smoking pot does dull the senses and if he is driving while under the influence, then yes my family and I could be in very real danger and that WOULD affect me.
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:27 p.m.
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p.s. kid if your ex does know then she could be brought up on charges of child endangerment for allowing your children to be in a known drug enviroment. How sad would that be to have both of your parents arrested because daddy couldn't give up the pot...what would their friends and their parents say...do you think they would really want their children to associate with her kids? As I have kids myself I would not allow them to be around yours knowing that.
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:24 p.m.
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Looks like a classic example of NAFTA!
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:19 p.m.
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FARMGRL...I understand what you are saying, but those questions don't affect OUR lives, and I am sure he has done his own what ifs. Honestly, if something doesn't affect us personally, it really shouldn't be any of our business. Right?
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.
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thekid3477 just a question...what happens when your work makes you take a drug test and you fail it? get fired then how to explain to your ex? Or try this one on...how about if one of your kids gets sick or hurt and they go to the dr what if the blood tests they run come back positive from secondhand (or maybe first hand) pot smoke. Or even bette what if the ex or your kids finaly wise up report you...what then?
Oct 16, 2008 at 2:02 p.m.
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There's a good enough reason right there to lock down the Mexican/US border. Bring home the troops and put em down there on US soil protecting the US. Pack up the illegals and ship them back along with their dope. I'm willing to bet not only are there more operations like this one, but probably more than just pot being brought in or manufactured.
Oct 16, 2008 at 1:42 p.m.
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Spark....I agree. Law enforcement are great heros in my eyes. It is under their own desire to do what they do, and I can't say that I could EVER spend a minute in their shoes. And of course there are always those rotten apples that make the whole basket appear to be rotten, but remove them, and you see that they aren't all that way, and if they are rotten, they will get caught sooner or later. The same goes for pot smokers, there are good ones, and there are rotten ones....
Oct 16, 2008 at 1:38 p.m.
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Addictive personalities DO NEED to stay away from the ganga. There is no denying that. I had an ex that smoked pot everyday all day long....and I tell you what, when it ran out....he was impossible to live with. Also, he had a very good job, and never had any money. He was your stereotypical pothead. Now my uncle on the other hand is a hippie in his sixties and he has one joint a day after dinner. He is responsible about it, and it just makes him goofier than he already is. He is retired, has a beautiful home on a lake they built themselves, pays his bills and has nice vehicles. I have a best girlfriend that is a soccer mom all the way, but loves to have "stoner sex". She smokes it on occasion and it doesn't affect her life in the least, other then when i found out she smoked it my jaw hit the ground. So, see, there are many different pot "clicks", and they are not all the same. I don't judge anyone for what they do, it is not my place, and if it doesn't affect your day to day living, then my councelor says......just do it....hehe. (ok....she didn't tell me that about pot, actually it was about my addiction to garage saleing, but you get the point.)
Oct 16, 2008 at 1:34 p.m.
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I have a real problem with anyone that bashes the law and law enforcement. They're here to protect everyone, including yourself. Whether you like the law or not, it's not your choice. I hope you never need help because it's going to backfire in your face. Wasted tax dollars? Ya wasted tax dollars trying to deal with the #%$% idiots out there that can't grow up.
Oct 16, 2008 at 1:25 p.m.
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Evansvillehousewife.....You can't reason with the unreasonable. You can only try, and I hope there are more reasonable people out there.
Oct 16, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.
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pwrtrip....you are crazy. Do you realize there is only a handful of officials running this task force? The county land area is huge. Don't believe me? Go drive around and role play it for a while. Pretend you are looking for it as an official. Don't drive if you're high though! There isn't enough people in the task force. The 'doughnut' joke isn't as obvious as the thousand jokes I could make about 'potheads'.
Oct 16, 2008 at 1:05 p.m.
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The Kid toked another hit and typed......."the country of pot smokers would probalby not have given another country reason to invade us in the first place:), but if they would...you would see more responsible pot smokers that you didnt know smoked pot come to the aid of our country."
That is ONE horrifically unintelligible sentence, as well as moronically not germane. Switzerland is NEUTRAL and would NEVER come to our aid number one. Second, in Mexico, ganja is pretty commonplace. Not prosecuted. Yet they still invaded our country over the border and are SETTING UP SHOP ON PRIVATE LAND. Mexico is over 2000 miles from here, yet they had domain over our public and private hunting areas. If that's not invasion, I don't know what is.
I'm sure you'd have a cow if someone came onto your property and seized it to build a jail. Well, illegal aliens have come onto private citizen's property in our own backyard and brought terrorism to Rock county.
Uh... yeah. 9/11 would have never happened had we all been as smart and with it as you after you've toked up. Yee gads. I used to be a feminist liberal in my 20's, it's individuals like you that turned me into a raging Republican. (and I hate Palin, not just because she fired my cousin, either)
Oct 16, 2008 at 12:55 p.m.
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Kid, you didn't answer my questions. Do you still believe your kids don't know you use?
And bully for you that you don't use aspirin, antibiotics, or coffee... just pot 99% of the time. Again, what is wrong in your life that you constantly need de-stressing? What is keeping you from being really and truly well?
You claim you have your kids 50% of the time. You use pot every day. Which means, you most likely drive around high with your kids in the car. SO you can call yourself a good parent, that's how you live with yourself. I still think your kids will grow up and think differently. "yeah, my parents got a divorce and I got this facial scar from a car accident my Dad got into when he was high."
I never said ALL people who smoke weed are bad parents. I know plenty professionals who do have a joint from time to time and are wonderful parents with delightfully smart children. however, i know NO doctors, lawyers, or college professors (I know over 50 personally) that indulge more than once or twice a year.
I find that daily users are in denial of their psychological independence and that it lowers their motivation.... as a for instance, if you'd sunk all the $$$ you've spent on weed into your children's college fund such as Edvest, they'd probably have enough by now for a few semesters of tuition and books.
But hey, you love pot more than your kids. I fully support your right. Just out of curiousity... are your kids on Badgercare? If they are, you;re welcome. I work for their healthcare while YOU get to spend more money on supporting Illegal aliens.
Good American, you are.
Oct 16, 2008 at 12:23 p.m.
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awesome posts sewa!! i love how you perfectly disected gfans posts:)i know many people who dont smoke cuz its illegal. to say that is an endorsement of the prohibition is silly. job tests. incarceration. judgers. all reason most chose not to smoke. not from the effects...cuz agree with legal pot or not...you CAN NOT believe the POTENTIAL negative effect of marijuana is worse to the individual than the POTENTIAL negative effect of alcohol to the individual.
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as for if someone is invading this country. well since were goin off in la la land...the country of pot smokers would probalby not have given another country reason to invade us in the first place:), but if they would...you would see more responsible pot smokers that you didnt know smoked pot come to the aid of our country. and id say the same thing for alcohol. i think a majority of this country would give up either if it meant protecting ourselves from that. silly scenerio:) hop back on the trolly, say good bye to fred, and come back;)
Oct 16, 2008 at 12:19 p.m.
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I'm stating opinions. My own. My opionion was that pot shouldn't be illegal. Show me again where I said I hang around alcoholics. Are you getting that somehow from my statement on people overindulging? I overindulge occasionally and I'm not an alcoholic. You tried to twist that.
I don't think pot is better than alcohol. I said they're both drugs and drugs aren't good for you.
And you think that by my not doing an activity because it's illegal will cause other's to be the same you must have some amazing faith in me.
Or you must be high.
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Oct 16, 2008 at 12:10 p.m.
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sewaelizabeth, I sincerely state my opinions with the reasoning I believe supports those opinions. If you were not a problem pot smoker, fine. But you apparently don't like it enough to continue smoking it because it's illegal. And you don't endorse pot obliquely by claiming it's better than alcohol.
Your stance will help keep pot illegal which in turn will keep others from smoking it which in turn will help keep kids, directly and indirectly, from being harmed by it.
My reasoning here is clear.
Oct 16, 2008 at 12:03 p.m.
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the kid: pot in the Netherlands is under the watchful eye of the government. You buy the pot in an establishment and smoke it there or leave with it. In most places it is already rolled into a nice big joint. But! it is all under the governments control. been there, done that, got the tshirt!
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.
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How so? I already know how you bend things around so much as to be unrecognizable. You make statements and go on 80 tangents to 'support' them. I said what I had to say now it's up to you to tell me I'm wrong and bend my statments to meet your needs. Say what you will-I'll not argue with you. (proof that you're superior, no doubt)
To reiterate my statement if anyone else is confused-I don't smoke weed because it's illegal. I don't stay away of it because of it's effects. Being high is pleasant, I think and it's no worse or better than alcohol in my opinion.
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:51 a.m.
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sewaelizabeth, don't hang around with alcoholics.
Overindulgence in something has a lot to do with the mechanics of what's being done. It's easier to just lay back (which is what pot makes you do) and draw on a joint or a pipe than it is to drink lots of fluid.
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:48 a.m.
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sewaelizabeth...., not smoking pot because it's illegal is an endorsement for keeping it illegal.
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:47 a.m.
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gfan-I'm interested to see where you got the overindulgence piece. Is it something you looked up?
From my own history and experience I'd say overindulgence with alcohol is the higher percentage. Not saying it's a fact-but I've seen plenty.
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:44 a.m.
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I think most of these posts are based on stereotypes-not alotta facts.
I don't have the facts-not really a huge issue to me-but I've done both. I've smoked weed in the past when I was younger and I drink alcohol now. I never felt like I had to have more weed. I never tried any other drug because I smoked weed. I did sit around and be silly and eat. Same as when I drink. Neither is good for you. Both are drugs. I never found one to be better or worse than the other. As far as what kind of person I am-work seven days a week to support four kids-who are doing excellent in school and life, go to school and have a 3.76 GPA, and am getting a job where I can help people everyday. I don't smoke weed because it's illegal but I don't think it should be illegal. So tell me again how I'm for weed to support my habit and that it must have screwed up my brain.
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.
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Kid - the right to conceal and carry. WI and IL are the only two states that don't allow this and research has proven that crime has dropped significantly in states that allow this. I'm not saying this to start a debate on conceal and carry, so people please don't go off on this subject. You just asked me for one and that is one that many could debate, which was my point to what I said earlier.
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:17 a.m.
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sweet...., the percentage of overindulgence is more a pot problem than an alcohol problem.
Again, whatever alcohol is doesn't change what pot is. If alcohol is a certain kind of problem then legalized pot would add to that problem.
But if you insist on the comparison, then consider this: If only one kind of mind altering drug existed -pot or alcohol- which one would you want to be in use if this country were under attack? The difference between the two would determine our survival. Consider what pot does and what alcohol does. And I'm not just talking about the ability to be aggressive when aggression is necessary. I'm talking about the different dynamics associated with pot smoke and alcohol. The answer to the question goes to the issue of why alcohol is legal and why pot isn't.
Pot smokers can't even defend their pot smoking position. If they could, pot would have been legal a long time ago. All the millions(?) of pot smokers in this country can't organize enough or get motivated enough to get pot legalized. It's always excuses: government propaganda, conspiracy, stereotypes (the stereotypes come mainly from high-profile pot smokers -stereotypes are not necessarily false).
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.
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You're right, we could take the profit away from drug dealers by legalizing it, but you and the rest of the illegal users could also do just the same by refusing to do/buy the drugs. Problem solved, and it doesn't require changing any laws...
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Oct 16, 2008 at 10:45 a.m.
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thekid: As a former pot smoker, I can attest that a lot of what you and other pro-pot people are saying here is baloney. It IS a gateway drug, it leaves many, many people incapable of functioning (let alone driving), it reduces short-term memory, it is as addictive to some as alcohol.
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You might show statistics of how legalizing marijuana is successful in other countries, but as the chronic abuse of alcohol in this country has shown, we as a culture are not responsible enough to use pot with restraint. While I know many people who are pot smokers and successful, productive members of society, I know of just as many who have gone the other way. It would be better if everyone refrained from BOTH alcohol and drugs to give them the high they could discover in other ways that don't involve ingesting mind-altering substances.
Oct 16, 2008 at 10:35 a.m.
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People might sit around and consume more marijuana than alchohol because you think it's easier to smoke than to drink however you can only get to a certain point smoking. You can't (or I've never heard of) smoke until you black out or cant even walk or talk. You can drink yourself to deah however without even being an alchoholic. I mean come on Gfan I think even you have started to agree with the Kid that alchohol is worse than pot. All around it is worse, it effects your motor skills worse, your train of thought, your speech, your ability to process reality! You dont see pot heads stumbling around with slurred speach, you see them sitting on the couch muching out and fatness is probably the worse side effect you can get!
Oct 16, 2008 at 10:34 a.m.
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Kid-I don't hate you because of what you believe nor would I ever. Don't know you and have no reason to feel that way. I just have an issue with whenever something takes place with Marijuana, which whether anyone wants to except or not, is illegal, that excuses come into play and the people that are actually responsible for the illegal action get somewhat glorified. I can respect your beliefs, research, etc. You are entitled to that. But two latinos camping out in the woods doing such as this, is never going to be ok. You want to smoke it in your home, that's fine. I realize you saying that if it was legal, maybe it wouldn't be such a problem, but it's not. One could say that about many things, but this is the way it is.
Oct 16, 2008 at 10:03 a.m.
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thekid, add equal education and the same IQ to the experiment.
Re: your quantity issue: People are more likely to take in more pot smoke than take in more alcohol. It's just easier to smoke then to drink lots of liquids.
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:44 a.m.
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No make legal but no tax. Leave it up to the
dealers they know what their doing. All the goverment wants is a piece of a big nation wide pie. I've got a really good movie to
watch when enlightened Requiem Of A Dream really
good. Who's ready for 2009 4/20?
SMOKE WEED ALL DAY!!!!
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:34 a.m.
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gfan. assuming the twins had the same IQ before they consumed...i would guess it to be level after 1 joint or say 4 beers. ive actually heard about studies(in alcohol classes) that say you are a BETTER driver after a couple drinks. its the SAME thing with pot. light consumption of either heightens your senses and makes you more aware of your environment. the diff isnt in the moderation. its what happens when twin 2 decides to have 8 beers or 12. THEN you will see twin 1 who is on joint 2 or 3, in the same time span, seperate himself and be able to retain the mental AND physical capacity it takes to function. now if the twins decide to share...all bets are off;)
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as for those of you that want to judge me personally...if you read what ive been completely open about you would see that i have NOTHING to be ashamed of in my life. i smoke pot. that doesnt make me a bad person/parent/friend. it just doesnt. i know those of you that have never tried to learn anything about marijuana, other than what youve been TOLD, just cant understand but it really doesnt. theres prolly a million hits on google for you to read and make your own decision. i dont expect you to, cuz its just easier to beleive what youve been told and judge those of us who are trying to change this ignorant prohibiton. i dont hate any of you for hatin on me cuz of my posts. i feel sry for you cuz you can hate on someone for their beliefs. a few of you actually know me and i dont see any negative posts from them. bash me personally when you only know a fraction of who i am.
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:32 a.m.
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legalize everything.kill yourselves.And goverment will make trillions.
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:28 a.m.
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Yes, dann....., if pot is legalized it will be more exposed to kids. Not just directly but in a secondhand way too.
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:24 a.m.
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what r the deer,and game , going to eat now .
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:14 a.m.
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If marijuana is made legal, regulated, and taxed, there should also be a legal age. Marijuana is not so terrible if you never smoked through your teenage years, when your brain is still developing. When the human brain is fully mature, then pot becomes less harmful. But kids, regardless of legality, should not be smoking.
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:09 a.m.
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Michael Moore began the trend of current documentaries that are packed with lies. I saw Supersize Me and though I don't like fast food, it was easy to see that that doc was packed with lies. I'm sure there's a pre-bias with the Superhigh Me doc.
Oct 16, 2008 at 8:57 a.m.
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If you watched the Super High Me doc that I just recommended he scored higher on his IQ test during the 30 days he WAS smoking!! Not saying that goes for everyone but thats what happened with him so it may depend on the person. I've heard of some people saying they smoke to be able to focus, I know a lot of college students that do before they study for a test and GOOD students!!
Oct 16, 2008 at 7:57 a.m.
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If equal potency could be determined, say, a couple of drinks to one joint, and the drinker and smoker were twins, who would do better on an IQ test right after ingesting?
Any opinions?
Oct 16, 2008 at 7:53 a.m.
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Alright so even IF every pot smoker is a lazy no bill paying loser what do you people care? As long as it's not your life then why do you feel the need to get so involved. I know what your saying is in fact NOT true but if it were who are you to rule everyones lives? A republican? I recommend two movies for you to watch and maybe (probably not) but maybe you could open your mind just a little. If you have Charter On Demand both of these docs are on there currently I'm not sure what premium but if you look you'll find them. The first is Super High Me, a differant take on the Super Size Me doc. A popular comedian who is an occasional smoker goes 30 days with no smoke and then 30 days smoking the entire time! While he's doing this he gets tests done physical and mental just like the original doc. The other which I find VERY interesting is American Drug War, I'm not sure who the guy is that did it but it focuses on point of how much money and time we and our law enforcement waste on the so called "drug war". Since it started in the late 60's early 70's I believe drugs have only become BETTER, MORE AVAILABLE, CHEAPER, AND MORE USERS!!! And we have put BILLIONS AND BILLIONS into it each YEAR!!! Even if I didn't smoke I just think thats crazy it should be obvious to the people that its not working and you need to start looking at things from a differant point of view sometimes, look at all the ways legalization could HELP and not HURT.
Oct 16, 2008 at 6:59 a.m.
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GAZETTEFAN...no, I don't believe the "shrooms" were illegal....we picked them out of a cow pie. Wouldn't that make them natural? hehehehe
Oct 16, 2008 at 6:58 a.m.
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I just wonder how many of you that say pot is abused have to start their day with a cup of coffee or a diet coke. Caffiene can be abused as well, and is actually terrible for your heart in excess. So, the key here is.....moderation, in whatever you choose to do, even preach. ;o)
Oct 16, 2008 at 5:34 a.m.
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luluberry,
I don't think that thekid has a dependency problem. I don't think he needs to seek help at all, actually. He's quite level headed, and he brings up many very good points. Every now and then he takes a couple jabs, but if you actually try to see things from his point of view, you might understand him better.
Oct 16, 2008 at 3:28 a.m.
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To luluberry_0981....there is no help for thekid. He only wants this stuff to be legal and apparently wants everyone to be as high as him!
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Think of all the effort and complication that these guys put into these crops. If only people would place this much effort into real life's efforts, like, you know getting a license, job, paying bills etc...Oh and by the way, be on the look out for two men, hispanic, may be on foot-may not be, possible will appear to be vagrants with items packed up and carried with them, drinking Coronas and eating cucumbers!
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I'm am glad to see our local departments putting in the efforts to review this in such detail, it may help prevent this for quite some time in our wooded areas at least. And good job on the citizens that found this stuff and reporting to officials!
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:55 p.m.
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I'm just...
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Ugh I have no idea what to say... Where did the grown ups go??
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Kid... Seek help, for the sake of you, your family, your neighbors, anyone who has ever met you... Even for our sakes. I hope you don't have children.
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:50 p.m.
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hey!! freddog!! i was just talking about ignorance...welcome to the convo:) lol
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:34 p.m.
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we got enough problems without finding more ways for people to walk around stoned, make it legal and you have thousands more on the roads under the influence, do we need that, lock up the users, the dealers and let them rot, don't you think it's time to start cleaning the country up a little and start taking pride in ourselves again, there could be a GM, or ford, or dodge again if we stop selling out to every other country in the world and start working on what made this a great country in the first place, get rid of the dope, the drugs, the losers who are users, work again, take some pride in what you do, and stop whining if you actually have to work for something.
Oct 15, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.
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im with ya johndoe. i just like to hear myself think:) sry. i rant all day long and i understand it falls on deaf ears. ESPECIALLY from me...cuz well i rant. but i have to say. bella...that was about THE BEST pro-pot post ive ever seen. i dont care if your a guy or a girl...would you like to marry me??;)
Oct 15, 2008 at 10:06 p.m.
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I have two extra tickets for weed stock any body want to go ?
Oct 15, 2008 at 10:04 p.m.
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I guess it's just a matter of vocabulary.
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Notice I didn't mention people.
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I referred to closed minds.
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Obviously, once those minds are opened...no problem.
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:58 p.m.
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evansvillehousewife, spark, and some others out there - I realize that it is impossible to have any kind of intelligent discussion with any of you, because you are completely close-minded and only read what you want to read. You need to stop assuming that everyone who favors legalization of pot is a pot smoker. I do not smoke pot. I don't smoke cigarettes. I enjoy alchol once or twice a month. I hold two advanced degrees and have a career and my own business. So stop generalizing and making assumptions that because I'm in favor of legalization, that I am somehow a "loser" in need of pot to relieve my stress. Your arguments are un-intelligent. I support legalization of pot because there is no data to support that keeping pot illegal has worked in reducing the abuse (not use, abuse) and the crime related to pot. Not to mention the costs that are crushing our judicial system and overcrowding our jails. Stop being so neurotic and ignorant and acknowledge the fact that criminalizing pot does not work. I am not in favor or breaking laws, and I do not condone illegal drug operations. My argument, if yould remove your blinders long enough to read what I'm writing, is that we can avoid these operations and problems by legalizing a PLANT that by all accounts is less harmful than the alcohol and the tobacco that we can legally choose to use. Kudos to thekid for showing you the stats. Maybe you should pay attention to what's really the issue here.
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:52 p.m.
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i dont see it that way johndoe...which is why i talk like i do...the people with closed minds are the solution...not the problem...we just need to open em...
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44 p.m.
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kid...I couldn't agree with you more.
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The bigger problem is closed minds.
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:36 p.m.
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thanx for the back up sweet. im happy to discuss this as long and as often as i need to. housewife you are making STUPID comments. thats awesome that you are a foster parent. extremely commendable. but to make a judgement about me or how i parent when you know NOTHING factual about my life...sry but thats stuipid. what if i told you my kids watch minimal tv. my kids rode up to 10 miles on several occasions this summer. my kids are extremely well mannered, and i dont dote on my kids...im just telling you what EVERYONE tells me that meets my kids. i have 50% joint custody so my kids wake up here half the time. that means half the time im gettin them up. bathed. fed. to school, i manage to still be at work on time. my boss knows. my coworkers know. my ex knows what i do and she knows it does NOT affect my ability to parent. trust me, shes warned enought times that the second it does she will know and rectify the situation. as sweet says i AM THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. i am a walking science experiment. 3 years no alcohol. 2 and half no nicotine. 2 MINIMAL caffeine. 3 years plus no aspirin/script meds. oh yeah, and ive consumed marijuana in smoke form about 98%(ive counted) of the days. even gfan believes what i say. doesnt agree with my beliefs, and thats ok, but doesnt doubt i am what i say i am. the thing is he thinks im the exception to the pot smoker. thats THE BIGGEST hurdle to legalization is getting all the other normal pot smokers, like myself and sweet, to stand up and say yeah...i smoke pot. im a dr/teacher/lawyer/judge/cop/foster parent/salesman and I SMOKE POT. ignorance and hypocrisy....were not the criminals...
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:22 p.m.
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I LOVE IT...yes he is his own booby trap. I had to turn it off. If I had been a republican, I wouldn't be now. What a piece of work. And yes, they both should have smoked a little piece pipe before the debate, then maybe, just maybe there might have been some actual depth to the conversation!!!!
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:17 p.m.
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He's his own booby-trap.
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.
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Should those two get together and smoke some reefer?!
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:15 p.m.
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I wish he would have happened upon one of the booby traps. He is just a joke. Grrrrrrr....
Oct 15, 2008 at 9:13 p.m.
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Anybody watching the debate? GRRRRRRRRRR McCain needs to be choked. He is such a turtle.
Oct 15, 2008 at 8:55 p.m.
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wow...someone lost a large investment
Oct 15, 2008 at 8:35 p.m.
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sweet..., the people who most "popularized" pot smoking in recent history, pot smokers of the 60s and early 70s, largely abandoned pot smoking. That's a strong indictment of pot smoking. Your children's generation will leave it behind too.
Oct 15, 2008 at 8:26 p.m.
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Opionions is right is por was legal there would be no dealers gangs etc. whatever way you want to self med of relax is fine. I have seen and read more about drunk drivers killing people than pot heads killing people while driving. I drink I enjoy drinking to relax pay my bills, take car of my houses and cars etc and hold a high profile job which I am good at and have a college degree. Who is to say that someone who smokes pot can't do the same. besides not being a pot smoker Hemp is a renewable resource that should be used in more products
Oct 15, 2008 at 8:25 p.m.
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Sorry that was so long but now that I read Evansvillewifes post I've got something else to say... Are you really going to sit here and tell us that because we smoke pot we are bad parents, that my kid should be or is in foster care!?!?!? I'm a very very happy person, I don't dull any feeling by smoking pot. Pot makes me even MORE happy!! It's not that when I'm not high I'm just sitting there thinking "ugh my life sucks, man I want to smoke some right now"! Yes pot can be a stress reliever but it's not ONLY used for that and just because you smoke it doesn't mean you are stressed or depressed. You can compare that to anything, just because something does do something doesn't mean everyone uses it for that or EVER uses it for that!! Thats just an ignorant thing to say!! You really shouldn't get on here telling everyone how bad of parents they are thats a little over the line in my opinion and no one has that right. Read the articles on Charles Rivers and his girlfriend that drove around with their dead baby and maybe make a comment on that but dont be so dillusional to say pot smokers are always bad parents and actually make a stab and the Kids well kids!! To say that you might have fostered them!! Youre sad and lonely and thats a horrible thing to say to anyone not matter what your opinion may be!!
Oct 15, 2008 at 8:18 p.m.
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Yeah ROCKET please give us an example of these stats your pulling out of your behind! Not only do I COMPLETLEY agree with the Kid but he also gives us some physical evidence to back his opinions yours is just that OPINION based on nothing but your own thoughts! And again I dont think anyone here is condoning terrorists blowing up kids hunting in their backyards but thats not really the subject here as someone stated earlier. And as far as answering the ?'s you asked earlier Rocket YES I would trust a pothead with my child, I am a pot head and guess what I'm a VERY VERY good mother, sister, daughter, employee, wife!! I wouldn't give my kid to someone when they are stoned because I know it can affect your motor skills and for some people your normal way of thinking oh and you have a tendancy to forget things and a kid would be a bad thing to forget about! The Kid is 100% correct when he says that most pot smokers are just average Joe people that have kids and get up to go to work every morning just like him and I do. All you hear about in the news is the losers that let the drug run their lives and probably do other drugs, mostly prescription pills since thats the new epidemic. Do you really think that alchoholics function like normal people most of the time? Alchohol is not only mor addictive but also much harder to control that addiction. Of course if you legalize marijuana there will ALWAYS be people abusing that drug but if we have the right to abuse alchohol which most people (in their right mind) would agree is more dangerous than weed. Obviously no one I work with knows that I smoke pot except one woman who I trust very much and her husband is also an avid smoker. No one at my work would ever suspect me of being a pot smoker either, I'm a top performer and always willing to help out extra. Someone earlier had said we are just trying to ask people to open their minds and try to see some of the positves that legalization would have on Americans but most of you are just too dead set on your ways. That'll all change when my generation gets into office!
Oct 15, 2008 at 8:12 p.m.
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Ok, so some people think domestic terrorism is fine and dandy because it supplies the weed needs of those who need it to be de-stressed.
Kid, what is it in your life that is so stressful you need to daily dull your neural synapses? Why do you need a substance that imparts a FALSE SENSE of well-being? If you were truly well, would you need pot?
Wouldn;t you rather be in control of your life so that you are really and truly well, and that you can look your children in the face and say " I AM okay".... and not just FEEL okay....
I mean, I'm sure if I smoked enough weed I'd be just fine sitting on public assistance, in my $3000 trailer, whilst my children languished in foster care.
As it is, I choose NOT to use fake stress relievers, and that stress helped me graduate college, get a good job, serve my community, and care for children whose parent's couldn't be bothered because, well, they'd rather smoke pot.
And from an earlier discussion, Kid.... quit the denial. You KNOW you knew more about your parents then they thought you knew. Your children know more about you than you want to believe.
Who knows, I may have fostered them already...
Oct 15, 2008 at 7:51 p.m.
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oh...and i forgot...before i only showed you the crime rate...you also wanted the poverty and unemployment rate.
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http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/econo...
Oct 15, 2008 at 7:47 p.m.
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rocket. you asked a point blank question. i not only answered it i linked to PROOF and instead of acknowledging you call me an idiot and list all the ?known? side effects of smoking marijuana. can you find me a link to where you read about the fact that pot 'contains more tar, carbon monoxide and known cancer-causing agents than does tobacco'?? or a link to the 'more than 2,000 chemicals, the effects of which are not all known' im not saying you are wrong, i just want you to show me some proof...cuz i cant imagine for a minute you would make an unsubstantiated ignorant reefer madness claim...
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im a beavis/butthead fan...thats actually funny:)
Oct 15, 2008 at 6:47 p.m.
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Hey Beavis, let's legalize marijuana and watch the cost of health care go even "higher". Hey Butthead, you said "higher". Hee hee.
Oct 15, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.
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gazettefan: agree!
Oct 15, 2008 at 6:37 p.m.
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ummmm
i forgot
"dude, i'm so wasted"
Oct 15, 2008 at 6:27 p.m.
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usaret, this is a good time to ask klick for some money.----NO
Oct 15, 2008 at 6:11 p.m.
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Hey kidiot;
Weedies can create dependence if prolonged use.
Weedies can damage the lungs.
Weedies contains more tar, carbon monoxide and known cancer-causing agents than does tobacco.
Weedies, if chronic use, decreased lung capacity and chronic broncial irritation.
Weedies, used daily, affects judgement, short-term memory and the ability to concentrate.
Weedies' smoke contains more cancer-causing agents than tobacco smoke.
When smoked, weedies releases more than 2,000 chemicals, the effects of which are not all known.
Oct 15, 2008 at 6:09 p.m.
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LOL
Oct 15, 2008 at 6:07 p.m.
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When are they going to burn down the field?
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:54 p.m.
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usaret, this is a good time to ask klick for some money.
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:44 p.m.
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usaret
Suggest removal Would you trust your life to a Pot-head?-yes
Would you trust your child with a Pot-head?-yes
Do your friends(?) trust you or just put up with you?-yes
Which is more important to you: Food or Pot?-yes
If pot were legal would you enjoy it as much or would the thrill of doing something illegal be gone and with it the joy?-yes
Who do you lie to the most: Fellow workers, parents, friends or yourself about your reasons for smoking pot?-yes
Do you take responsibility when your in the wrong or do you blame others?-yes
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:38 p.m.
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the ONLY pot smokers you read about, unfortunately are the cheech and chong types...
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:36 p.m.
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thank you gfan...i think thats a compliment:) ive said it before...MOST pot smokers are like me...they just cant tell you cuz its illegal and society WILL judge them.
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:34 p.m.
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bella GOOD post...but your logic is useless against them:)
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:32 p.m.
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thekid, I'm digging your spiel; are you digging mine?
If all stoners were like you, pot'd be legal by now. But, alas, we're pretty much talkin' Cheech and Chong, aren't we?
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:27 p.m.
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wow. im right. im gonna take a second and enjoy it:) ahhh ok back to the education. im not condoning these 'terrorist' or even the massive grow operations. im simply pointing out that we can continue to take down grow operation after grow operation...MORE WILL COME...and when we take those down guess what...MORE WILL COME...there is to much profit for the criminals for them not to risk it. put that profit in uncle sams hands and we solve a few problems...including me annoying the crap out of those who dont enjoy my education, but read what i write anyways;)
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:25 p.m.
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opitmism, are the shrooms legal? Did you hallucinate?
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.
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Oh, did I ever tell you Kid, I tried shrooms once too, and oh my goodness, my ribs hurt sooooo bad from laughing....that was fun!!
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.
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thekid, but the killer wouldn't be a murderer.
And, pot being legal or illegal, you'd still be stoned. ;~)
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.
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THEKID...you are right, but that is not the case right now, and we need to take this seriously that these people were in our NEIGHBORHOOD and may have had booby traps that could have hurt an unsuspecting citizen. It is illiegal, and your arguments do make sense, but that doesn't matter right now. I agree with you, if it were legal, then we wouldn't be having to deal with all these drug dealers and their slime in our cities, and the gang violence that rides along on the tails of it. For whatever reason, I don't know, but the government is the boss in the broad spectrum of things right now, and it should be of your best interest too, to keep these terrorists outta here. If post was legal, of course we wouldn't have to deal with them, but it isn't and we do.
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.
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...rofl
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:16 p.m.
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sry that first link is the wrong link...but good numbers nonetheless. gfan you cant use murder as an anology...cuz if murder were legal the body would still be dead. if however...marijuana were legal...as i stated the illegal grow operations and the booby traps that protect them, unlike the dead body, just wouldnt be...oh and btw...im a first generation hippie...my kids will be second gen...
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:13 p.m.
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SPARK...I agree....as I posted before, it isn't the POT, it is what happened surrounding the pot. You know what we all should be scared about is these two terrorists are still running the streets, and there are most likely MANY MORE of these terrorists and their operations going on. I suggest we all check our woods.....
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:12 p.m.
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When will LUNGS vs LIVER AND ONIONS begin?!
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:11 p.m.
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hey rocket its legal in the netherlands. heres the crime stats on assault. youll see u.s. at #10 and netherlands at #15
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adults prosecuted per capita u.s. #1 and netherlands #10
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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ad...
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prisoners per capita. u.s. again #1 and netherlands #76
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rape per capita u.s. #9 netherlands #22
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UGHHHHH....ive got to much time on my hands:) feel free to peruse all the other crime stats
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Oct 15, 2008 at 5:10 p.m.
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LUNG vs. LIVER continues
Oct 15, 2008 at 5:01 p.m.
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Hey, thekid, watch the name-calling you post-literate, weed-sucking, self-absorbed, second or third generation hippie.
You again blame the government and society for the boobytraps. Legalizing murder would stop murder because it would no longer be murder; it would only be killing.
Refute the allegation that the great majority of pot heads are lazy ne'er-do-wells. Because if this were not the case then the numbers of users and their belief in a righteous cause would have dealt away the stereotype and pot would be legal by now.
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:54 p.m.
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I love you Mary Jane!
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:51 p.m.
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You people are using the legalizing of pot to support your habit.
Get off of it!! Good God.
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:45 p.m.
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WOW, after reading these profound comments, it is no wonder Janesville is going down the toilet. We have some really intelligent living here.
Weeders; show me one place in the world where it is legal and show me the statistics on crime, poverty, and jobless rates. The only potheads I know never show up for work and could care less about improving anyone's life, let alone theirs!
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:43 p.m.
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gfan im not scared of that corner. i want the two drugs on the SAME level. honestly if alcohol were illegal i would not support the illegalization of marijuana cuz i would absolutely support the legalization of BOTH...cuz we live in a 'free' society and should have the choice to relax in our homes the way we want.
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yer sort of a chimp gfan. sometimes you can have this discussion and be somewhat intelligent about it...and other times you make statements like 'he blames the booby traps on the government and society'. the booby traps are set by the peeps who are trying to protect their crop. if uncle sam would legalize/regulate marijuana, that pot field would not exist...nor the booby traps. are people still dying from the illegal sale/distribution of alcohol?? duh. uncle sam ended that when he ended alcohol prohibition. pro or anti-pot, you cant deny that ending marijuana prohibition would end a LARGE majority of the marijuana trafficing in this country...
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:38 p.m.
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spark, I don't think anyone is defending what happened here. Illegal use of land, planting of an illegal crop, illegal immigrants...etc. The basis of this discussion is centered around whether you believe it should be legal to grow/sell/consume pot. If you do, you would argue that what happened in this story would not have been necessary because there would be no need to hide the growing operation. We get sidetracked with ridiculous arguments about hunters getting killed by "terrorists" (come on!). The point I'm trying to make, and some others on this blog, is that the government continues to spend billions on fighting illegal drugs and all we see is an increase in drug use. Not to mention overpopulated jails where we are spending billions to look up people for minor pot offenses. At what point do we sit down and say "hey, wait a minute"? Pot is an organically grown plant with lots of possible uses, including getting high for those who choose to do so. Hemp has a ton of uses, and more widespread use of hemp would really affect our environment positively. I just don't see the harm. Gateway drug? Whatever. If someone wants to get high, they will find new ways. You think that just because your kids aren't smoking pot (and they are), they won't be sniffing glue, taking your prescription pills, inhaling intoxicating gases, or whatever else they can get their hands on? Cigarettes and alcohol are proven to be more addictive than pot. I'm not saying you have to agree. Just open your mind a little bit and at least CONSIDER the possibility that perhaps legalizing pot would have some benefits to our society and reduce crime.
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:31 p.m.
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Would you trust your life to a Pot-head?
Would you trust your child with a Pot-head?
Do your friends(?) trust you or just put up with you?
Which is more important to you: Food or Pot?
If pot were legal would you enjoy it as much or would the thrill of doing something illegal be gone and with it the joy?
Who do you lie to the most: Fellow workers, parents, friends or yourself about your reasons for smoking pot?
Do you take responsibility when your in the wrong or do you blame others?
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:25 p.m.
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hey man, daves not here
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:13 p.m.
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Now that's funny right there! Look out for Rick, he'll be chasing after you with a PETA sign screaming and hollering!
Oct 15, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.
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Hopefully the kid, bella, Nero, and PabloGannador will be out smoking pot during deer hunting. I just hope a deer doesn't run in front of them! LOL
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:35 p.m.
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OK, prohibition problems of both alcohol and drugs aside, if alcohol were illegal then you'd support the illegality of pot, right? As long as you keep making that comparison, this is the corner you've painted yourself into.
I told you, e-wife, he blames the booby traps on the government and society.
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:24 p.m.
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ok. but you still cant use your assault/murder analogy cuz both are illegal. pot/alcohol one is legal and the other is not. your analogy. not working.
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how can you deny what opinionsforfree wrote?? legalize pot and you WILL put these 'booby trapped' operations out of business. how many tobacco fields are booby trapped?? or brewerys??
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:24 p.m.
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mrarnold if one plant were to have one pound of usable "substance" and we have 600 plants that's 600 pounds right.
OK
750,000 divided by 600 = 1250
29,000 x 600 plants = 17,400,000
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:19 p.m.
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e-wife is right. Whether you agree with it being legal or not, this story go's well beyond that argument and nobody should be defending what has occurred here.
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:15 p.m.
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e-wife, thekid'll blame the maimings and deaths on the government and society.
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:12 p.m.
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thekid, I'm referring to your claim that pot isn't as harmful as alcohol, I'm not agreeing with that claim.
I'm pointing out that your reasoning that asserts that because one thing isn't as bad as another thing then the lesser thing on that basis alone should be legal.
I'm attacking the quality of your thinking.
Whatever alcohol is doesn't excuse what pot is. The pot/alcohol comparison is an attempt to detract what pot really is. Not working.
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.
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lets say each plant yielded a pound of pot and there were 600 plants that are supposed to be worth worth $750,000, which is over $29,000 a pound. must really be high grade
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.
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'm not going to get into the ethics of marijuana use. What I DO want to address is the fact that is is not being treated with the seriousness it deserves.
This is TERRORISM perpetrated by non-citizens WITHIN OUR BORDERS.
In Iraq a child gets blown to bits when he picks up an IED by a roadside.
In America, a hunting teenager will lose a leg or a life when they hit a booby trap guarding a patch. Or maybe the illegal will blow him away, blaze orange or no.
I know we'd all like to believe that a red-blooded American boy is in no danger while he partsakes in the ecological joy of hunting. But when- and not if- WHEN..... the first Joe Sixpack gets axed by drug runners that have crossed our borders illegally and partaken of social benefits you and I pay for.... maybe more will wake up.
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:06 p.m.
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umm if pot was legal it would put dealers out of business. look what happened during prohibition
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:05 p.m.
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funny how they "police, sheriffs" etc think they know so much when there really clueless the facts are in fact not facts at all, high grade u kiddin me?! and they overestimate every detail, sad
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:02 p.m.
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Maybe the unemployed GM workers and their unemployed suppliers could interview with the illegal aliens to see if they could be employed by the Mexicans in the illegal marajuana growning operations. It probably pays better than Wall Mart. If someone from the assembly line can fill radiators with anti-freeze they probably have the necessary skills to water and fertilize pot plants.
Oct 15, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot about the exceptions.
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.
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gfan if murder were legal that would be a good analogy. pot is illegal but alcohol is not. and when you use that analogy you do realize you are acknowledging that pot isnt as harmful as alcohol...right??
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.
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Ricks too ignorant to understand that hunting brings in a billion dollars worth of revenue to this state each year. Hunters get taxed beyond belief, (thanks to Doyle), but that doesn't stop them from hunting and giving back to the state and conservation. Take hunting away and you'll really see what this states economy does.
Sorry for getting off the subject.
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.
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the ignorant stereotypes continue....
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.
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They should do the Big Burn in that corn field by Woodman's. Great for business!!! ;~)
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.
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The rosie picture of the pot head continues:
Being a lazy pot head (redundant) isn't as bad as being a screwed up drunk (great comparison). Assault isn't as bad as murder, let's legalize assault.
Getting whacked on weed is like having a few drinks (which is what most drinkers do while being left infinitely more functional).
Legalize pot, it's okay if that'll expose more people to it and cause more kids to be victimized by it.
When people decide to commit crimes, it's the government and society's fault.
Law enforcement is expensive; let's legalize everything.
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:47 p.m.
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kid we told you theyld find your stash-- totally just kidding. but couldnt resist
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:45 p.m.
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Rick~I take great offense to what you said. So it's okay for my finace to get blown up while he is out hunting animals to feed his family. But what if it was my son out hunting and he got blown up? Is that okay? He is a kid, but he is a hunter. You have a problem. I hope you aren't related to any hunters cuz you just said you didn't care if they died.
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.
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optimism: those drug turfs may dry up with legal/regulated marijuana...or find something else to make illegal money with. how many al capones have we read about since the end of alcohol prohibiton?? if you agree that 'Pot in and of itself may not be harmful' then why on mother natures green earth should a tax paying adult citizen not have the option to consume??
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.
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got ya spark. those foreigners are comin in anyways:) i understand your belief about the 'gateway' drug and it being around kids. responsible smokers arent for kids consuming. but i think the fact that peeps blame pot for bein a gateway drug is silly. do we blame caffeine for kids wanting nicotine?? do we blame nicotine for kids wanting alcohol?? all legal drugs that lead to harder drugs.
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i dont see why gmc's post doesnt make sense. why would you think hes kidding with that. those of you who doubt what hes saying about the tax revenue are the ones with a cloud of smoke around your heads....
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.
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GMC was kidding with a cloud of smoke around his head !
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:10 p.m.
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gmc - please tell me you're kidding with that post.
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:08 p.m.
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While I am not against the legalization of "reefer" I think the authorities need to address these clandestine operations. What if a couple of kids stumbled across this field and these caretakers? If they can hide a pot field for that many months hiding a couple of bodies until they could get the harvest done would be no problem. We are not talking about harmless users but a criminal syndicate.
Oct 15, 2008 at 2:05 p.m.
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think about this if pot was legel and it was taxed dont you think it would help the country. think of this by the time the young are old we wont have ssi to live off when we retire we wont be able to retire we will have to work the rest of are lives so we dont go hungery have a place to live a car to drive but if it was legel and taxed maybe the young wouldent have to worry about such things cause all the money from the pot tax could go for somthing like that. now does that make you stop and think it does me
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:49 p.m.
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ya know its getting bad when the cops keep picking on pot heads they dont hurt anybody they live there lives and most of them are to lazy to commit any real crime like the guy that got busted back in april for that 8 pounds who did he hurt nobody he sat back and smoked his weed what crime is that. youve got people out there that get drunk drive home or where ever they are going in there drunkin stooper and get into crashes kill people or hurt them or get drunk and start fights or other problems with people and youve got stoners who get stoned sit back watch tv play video games go to work dont harm no one or nothing except maybe a twinky box or a bag of chip or maybe there wallet when they run out of smoke and yet there the big criminel i just dont understand
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:46 p.m.
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Kid, the comment about a real paying job was geared towards the two foreigners that come into this country to try and make a quick buck and cause unwanted problems in our Country. Not you pot smokers.
Been around pot before, everyone probably has. A lot of the people that I knew growing up got bored with it and started using the bad drugs. That's what I have a problem with. One kind can lead to another kind and I don't want my kids or any kids around that.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:40 p.m.
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'it isnt going to change a thing' maybe. maybe not. those of us that are pro-pot that blog on the gazette arent the only ones who comprehend the ignorance and hypocrisy...
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rick may not understand what its like to be a hunter and the actual sport that goes into hunting...so maybe his comment is unfair and ignorant(not stupid ignorant, but lack of experience ignorant). on that note...have those of you who think all us pot smokers need to 'go out and get a real paying job that does some good for society' ever smoked pot on even a semi-regular basis?? or are your opinions based on what someone else has told you??
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:35 p.m.
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PROPOTTERS...I think you are all missing th point. Pot in and of itself may not be harmful, and whether or not is should be legal is of another subject entirely. YES, the law enforcement are taking care of things that are endangerments to our lives. THese huge drug rings cause gang violence and killings for "drug turf". So, yes, they do need to keep these things under control, if pot is illegal, which it is, because if they didn't not one of us would be safe, and would not live in a free country any longer...it would be ran entirely by drug lords.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:28 p.m.
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This country was founded upon principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What I grow in my yard and what Mr Kid smokes is our business as long as it doesn't compromise others rights. Taxatation is not the answer either, remember the Boston Tea Party and the reasons, Commercial production of pot is no answer either. You law and order folks need to mind your own affairs and live and let live, and leave law enforcement to do the real task of protecting public safety by enforcing laws that when broken do real harm to people and our society.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:25 p.m.
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Rick - I take some serious offense that you would even say something like that about hunters. What is your problem? What are hunters doing to cause problems in society? I think it's pathetic you use a story about something that is obviously way more harmful than someone out hunting, to go off on a completely different subject and attack a couple guys that actually did something good. Says a lot about your character.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:21 p.m.
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LUNGS vs LIVER....the debate is on.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:12 p.m.
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Sit here and spew all your useless information about pot all you want. It isn't going to change a thing. I love how some you are so against law enforcement and them doing there jobs. It amazes me. Keep smoking because it's doing wonders for your logic. It's so predictable. As soon as a story comes up about pot, it's the worlds fault because it's not legal. Get stoned all you want. I could care less if you have nothing else to do. It's your time, just keep it away from me and the kids out there. And keep the two pieces of crap that were out there growing it away from the kids too. Here's a thought, go out and get a real paying job that does some good for society. Ya know, like most people try and do in the U.S.
rick-way to use this as a source to attack the hunters. Tree hugger.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:12 p.m.
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In the 1970's I heard those terms in FFA from my favorite teacher Mr. Chong.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:09 p.m.
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CURLOCK...this is the "new age" FFA language. Yours must be old school.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:07 p.m.
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I don't smoke pot but, but drinking I feel has hurt more people than pot has. Think of how many people who be out of jobs if the gov legalized it. Think of of how many jobs that would be created as well as with increasing tax revnews if it was legalized which as with the things look couldn't hurt.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:07 p.m.
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PUFFER...you pulled the thoughts right out of my head. So, RICK, people pulling poor defenseless injured cows around by chains attached to a fork lift is better than a hunter going out and shooting wild game to feed their family? Or how about removing the beaks from chickens so they don't peck eachother out of frustration due to close proximaty to eachother? Do you eat at McDonald's? KFC? How about do you shop at Woodmans? I can guarentee you the meat makers for all these establishments aren't as humane as a hunter is! Hunters don't go and abuse animals to make an extra buck, I can't say the same of your meat distributers.
Oct 15, 2008 at 1:02 p.m.
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Two statements never mentioned in my FFA class
1)"cleared to grow reefer"
2)"The plants were awesome"
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:56 p.m.
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rick - I can't believe that you would even write that you don't mind if someone gets killed. I hope you are a vegitarian - otherwise you are a huge hypocrite.
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:55 p.m.
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funny sannio. every pot smoker i hang out with has no problem paying bills or attaining their lifes goals. i find it sad that you need other 'competetive' people to help you work harder for your money. seriously.
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there would be no 'booby traps' in a govt authorized/regulated marijuana field.
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:45 p.m.
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If you wanna get stoned, get stoned. More power to you. What scares me are the "booby traps". Kids out playing in the woods are gonna get blown up over marijuana plants? (Personally, I don't mind if the hunters get blown away. It might actually turn the killing of innocent animals into more of a "sport").
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:40 p.m.
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Total waste of tax payers' resources and police department's time. Legalize it already. It doesn't float my boat, but I see no reason why people who like it and/or benefit medically from it, shouldn't be allowed to grown and use it legally. Drunk driving and alcohol-fueled domestic violence and other crimes are much bigger problems in Wisconsin than pot growers and pot smokers. But we keep handing out those liquor licenses, don't we? The short-sightedness is frustrating. Besides, if it was legalized, you would eliminate (or at least greatly reduce) the need for trafficking across borders, and all the other hazards that go with illegal operations related to pot.
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:33 p.m.
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TheKid is right - If you smoke enough pot nothing will stress you out. Bills can be paid later even though there's enough money, and life goals can always wait until later. We all have the right to choose. The laws are wrong. I'd rather have a city full of mellow pot smokers than a city full of competitive people making me work harder for my money.
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:31 p.m.
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The only thing is, I am wondering why they are growing such quantities in this day and age. The buyers aren't going to be able to afford the ganga much longer. Seriously.....
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:28 p.m.
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This was right behind my grandma's house. Her neighbors were the one's that found the field. How scary, my grandma is old and lives alone, thank god these people kept to themselves.
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:24 p.m.
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I'm with you Kid. Legalize, regulate and tax. Stick it in your pipe and have a good day.
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:20 p.m.
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i appreciate your concern kt. this doesnt affect me. i havent been dry in years plus i smoke way to much pot to let something like this, or YOU, or anything for that matter stress me out. want to talk about getting worked up?? anyone want to take a calculator and figure out the street value of all the marijuana found in this story?? then figure out how much tax money uncle sam collects on a comparable amount of tobacco, add in the amount we spent on law enforcement to uncover/irradicate these grow operations, take into condsideration that 'You’re seeing these type of grow operations all over the United States—California, Arkansas' and then tell me how much(estimate is fine:) this cost taxpayers. but what the heck...our economy is just fine and we have an extra 700 billion to throw at corrupt companies...why would we wanna waste our time/money regulating/taxing a NATURAL drug that NO ONE has ever died from. good idea kt...keep ignoring logic...
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:08 p.m.
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Prohibition of Liquor didn't work in the first half of the last century. Why do you law and order folks refuse to learn this lesson as it applies to Cannabis? It only makes the criminals and law enforcement richer. I believe officials in Rock County have other enforcement priorities, poaching would be a good example for you hunters.
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.
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Way to go fellow hunters. I hope that all hunters will be on the lookout for such bad activity this fall. Nice job Rock County, now let's find those idiots and send them home!
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:56 a.m.
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Glad the boys are doing their job. We don't need this type of crap going on around here.
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:52 a.m.
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Wow, very impressive... and unsettling. Yet another reason why border issues affect us all the way up here in WI.
May I suggest we ignore thekid's inevitible posts on this story. He'll get himself so worked up he may OD trying to calm himself down.
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:48 a.m.
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These are some of the jobs that most Americans won't do.
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:45 a.m.
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Sounds pretty organized alright.
Glad they've busted this up and I hope they find, in addition to the culprits, any other grow sites that are probably around southern Wisconsin.
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:38 a.m.
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Just make it legal and regulate it already. It causes fewer societal problems than alchohol.
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.
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Wow!
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