Teens injured after hitting pole, tree

By GAZETTE STAFF  Friday, Oct. 10, 2008
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— Two 17-year-old girls were seriously injured and one was arrested after their vehicle struck a tree and utility pole in the 400 block of South Main Street in Edgerton early Saturday morning.

A car driven by Kassandra E. Valley, 17, of 3318 Stellar Drive, Janesville, failed to negotiate a curve, crossed the centerline, crashed into a utility pole and struck a tree at 12:56 a.m. Saturday, according to a report from the Edgerton Police Department.

Valley and her passenger, Meghan M. Brieske, 17, of 3702 Birdsong Lane, Janesville, were transported to University Hospital. Valley was treated and discharged. The hospital declined to release Brieske’s condition because she’s a minor.

Valley was arrested on a charge of causing injury by drunken driving, according to the accident report.

The utility pole had to be replaced.







reader COMMENTS (102)
fred20
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:43 p.m.
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I have been somewhere worse than these girls.I really DO hope they learned their lesson.It isnt always the parents fault.We try and try and sometimes,kids are just kids!Life is precious,lets all try to help,not condemn! Everyone is entitled to one mistake or another!

luckycharm08
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:13 p.m.
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well, I see that they need some type but look at the pain these girls went through. I mean I have had someone I loved died by a drunk driver. I'm sure they have learned and that's all that is important. And if they do it again then the do need discipline but this time they have their life and didn't take others either which is lucky.
but there are so many other drunks on the road that hardly ever EVER get into trouble maybe a little slap on the hands but nothing else

luluberry_0981
Nov 13, 2008 at 5:44 p.m.
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Must be nice living in that pretend world of yours. The rest of us have to live in REALITY where drunk little brats like these ones kill people and get away with it because of people like you.

I am done arguing with you because you obviously don't care about other people, or the people that will be killed when they do it again. I sure hope for your sake it isn't someone you love that gets killed or seriously injured next time these girls go out to have "fun" because they didn't "deserve discipline". You make me sick!

luckycharm08
Nov 10, 2008 at 6:39 p.m.
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well
luluberry_0981
have you ever had a sip of alcohol and drove? I think they have enough of discipline. I mean they have to live with the humiliation and they have to live with the fact they almost did died. Maybe these girls HAVE learned a lesson. You need to obviously know these girls. How many people have you seen that have got caught drinking and driving that only get a warning until it's about the 6th time? or maybe more. these are teens and yes I know what they did is wrong but look at the damage they have caused themselves. just because not giving them discipline doesn't make their parents their friends. Friends are different then parents.. Sometimes friends aren't there when parents are there for you. Parents give you a shelter, money, food, and a life. Friends didn't give you birth. So don't say these parents are being their friends by not disciplining them because that's not the situation I see it that the parents actually are glad and realized that there is enough from the accident. I totally give the parents credit

luluberry_0981
Nov 9, 2008 at 1:06 a.m.
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And, another thing (sorry about my spelling on the last post)....

They not only need discipline, they need AA, and counseling and anything else that can teach them that drinking and driving is illegal for a reason! I don't want to see another article that says that these little girls did it again but this time they killed someone because they did not get any discipline from the FIRST time they got behind the wheel while drunk!

luluberry_0981
Nov 9, 2008 at 1:01 a.m.
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You need serious help if you believe that these CHILDREN do not need to be disciplined. Are you one of those parents that would rather be your child's friend then to discipline them? You dink and drive, you deserve to be punished. They are lucky that they did not kill anyone, including themselves. If you think that they do not deserve discipline because of that... I feel sorry for your children.

luckycharm08
Nov 6, 2008 at 6:50 a.m.
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well
luluberry_0981
let's see do you have children? I think that if you do you should notice a life can be gone in an instant. Atleast these girls have a life and they aren't dead. They do have enough discipline with all of the pain they have from the accident

luluberry_0981
Nov 2, 2008 at 8:38 p.m.
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luckycharm08...

Are you kidding me??? "I'm sure they don't need discipline. "????? What planet are you from and are the psychotic drugs you are apparently on legal there???

luckycharm08
Nov 2, 2008 at 8:09 p.m.
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I think the girls have learned a lesson already. Look at what happened to them. I'm sure they don't need discipline. At least these parents can say they have their daughters here with them and they didn't have to go identify their bodies. I think these parents are doing a fine job with their children. At least these girls can say they are still a live.
They still have a life unlike others. Some many people die but thankfully these girls didn't
I give their parents credit.

no
Oct 27, 2008 at 3:05 p.m.
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* They don't need stangers on here talking about it as if you know everything when you read this article alone. *

How dare those of us potentially in the way of some drunk's lethal weapon have the gall to discuss it among ourselves!

etown
Oct 22, 2008 at 12:44 a.m.
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lgirl, perhaps instead of posting on here you should of dealt with the matter privately, one post you say you were at the hospital then next you admit you never went, then you say your related to one but wont say who, and you do anyways by saying the girl got in the car with her, it s bad enough strangers come on here and trash people when they are at a low point in their life, whether it s self inflicted or not, but then to have a family memeber do it , if you cant tell the truth about whether you were at the hospital what would make you think any one would believe the rest of your accusations , seems to me the girl who got hurt in the car accident isnt the only child they have with problems

truth1
Oct 22, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
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As long as governments continue, by default, to designate motor vehicles and alcohol as politically correct weapons, people of all ages will continue to kill and maim with them with relative impunity.

tkessler
Oct 21, 2008 at 10:49 p.m.
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I am friends with both of these girls, and to all of you people out there saying how they need to be told over and over again that the decisions they made that night were stupid, they already know. They don't need stangers on here talking about it as if you know everything when you read this article alone. For all of your information they know they messed up and not only because they got in trouble. They were so close to death it's scary to think about. Everyone should be thankful that this was a case where they lived and learned from their mistakes instead of sittin on here talking about how stupid they were! And as for talking about kids driking and driving all the time don't forget how many ADULTS do it too and put tons of people at risk too. Infact I have another friend who is a teen and was hit by a drunk driver WHO WAS AN ADULT AND GOT HIS 5TH DUI THAT NIGHT!!! So it appears that adults don't really learn either then huh?

chops
Oct 20, 2008 at 11:51 p.m.
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Hey cuz just wanted to let you know,your daughter is in our prayers and hope she will be okay

over9000
Oct 20, 2008 at 2:57 a.m.
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wow you people that posted are pathetic...

Anyway I came to extend my sorrows and prayers, I hope that you prove that hag wrong "They will never learn" what a bitch.

lgirl
Oct 17, 2008 at 6:10 p.m.
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jackmo1: I feel horrible for what happened to the girls. When I found out about it, it shocked me and concerned me. No, I haven't been friends with the girls for years and I haven't hung out with them as much as some have. But you cannot deny the fact that both of them were drinking and it was wrong. I don't claim to be a saint but I'm not the one drinking and driving either. I just believe that if the girls were watched over more carefully, neither of them would have been hurt. I did not mean to upset you or insult you whoever you may be, and no I didn't make it to the hospital which I will admit and regret. But I heard details and cringed because I can only imagine the pain they are going through, but they brought it upon themselves. All we can hope for now is the best. I pray that they learn after this and I hope they recover fully. Have a nice day and give them my regards.

jackmo1
Oct 17, 2008 at 8:23 a.m.
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lgirl: You DO NOT KNOW these girls personally!! You DO NOT KNOW their family like you THINK you know them! You have NEVER hung out with these girls, you have only been so called RELATED to the one for ONLY 3 WEEKS, by MARRIAGE!!! You DID NOT visit either of them in the hospital and I know that for a FACT!!! If you are unhappy with your step father, then maybe you should have dealt with that BEFORE your mother married him 3 weeks ago!!! Before you THINK you know someone and bash their family, you should maybe deal with YOUR family first!

luluberry_0981
Oct 16, 2008 at 9:24 p.m.
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Thank you, Igirl. I am sorry that you have to be related to people like that.

lgirl
Oct 16, 2008 at 7:54 p.m.
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I know both girls personally, I'm actually related to one of them. One for sure, and I refuse to verify who, has done this before and her parents don't care, they let her drink. Now she's sitting home with a broken jaw and nose while her friend is sitting in the hospital still in need of surgery and will probably have problems for the rest of her life. I know she will learn, but as for my so called relative, I'm not sure. Most of her family has made this same mistake multiple times and I'm sick of it. My so called step father is a spitting image of why you need to learn this lesson of being able to control your drinking. I'm a year older than both of these girls and that's something I never want to deal with. I saw them both in the hospital and I know what they are both dealing with. In my opinion, my so called relative should be charged due to the damage caused, but we have to remember, she's not the only one to blame. Her friend decided to get in the car and drink with her as well, plus look at what the parents allow them to do. It shows that without good parents to give a damn, kids make stupid decisions that are often costly.

luluberry_0981
Oct 16, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.
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I think that people need to stop making up excuses for these girls.
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People are so concerned with their feelings rather then the feelings of people that may someday be killed when it happens again.
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Honestly, I think that teenagers these days have parents that are too busy trying to be "cool" and be friends with their kids and they miss the big picture. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN TO BE RESPONSIBLE ADULTS. Part of doing that is DISCIPLINE! You don't have to spank, but take away their computers, cell phones, cars, Wiis, just make them pay for what they have done, otherwise they will grow up thinking that they can get away with everything.
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**steps off soapbox**

no
Oct 16, 2008 at 2 p.m.
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*Someone in Edgerton purchased the alcohol for these girls. This is one fact that I believe you all can agree on. We can also agree that, that someone was an adult. So maybe you are all missing the big picture here.*

This would be like suing a bullet manufacturer for a double murder. No one made these girls drink. No one made these girls drive.

whoanellie
Oct 16, 2008 at 11:43 a.m.
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I believe we need to be better parents with our teens. We bail them out whenever they are in trouble and try to cover for them. I think we need to let them pay the consequences of their actions! Take responsiblity and do the time for the crime. Parents rise up and be parents not their friend, that comes later in life.

miloslife
Oct 16, 2008 at 12:59 a.m.
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Someone in Edgerton purchased the alcohol for these girls. This is one fact that I believe you all can agree on. We can also agree that, that someone was an adult. So maybe you are all missing the big picture here. That adult(s) provided alcohol to underage teenagers at party then let them drive. I hopeful that person will be caught and put in jail. How many other teenagers have they provided with alcohol???? Hopeful not your teenage sister sweet 79.

no
Oct 15, 2008 at 11:03 p.m.
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*All of you make me absolutely sick!*

Posters on an internet forum make you ill, but drunk driving teens do not. Okay.

* Saying we need to throw these girls in jail *

Why does society go on and on and on about drunk driving and underage drinking? Are these actions not against the law? Is jail not an appropriate punishment for breakers of such important laws?

*I have a question for you.. are you those girls? NO!*

Are these girls going to pick their own punishment?

*Are you those girls families?*

Are these girls families above the law? Are these girls families going to make up a jury if/when they are tried?

*By your comments of absolutely no compassion on how a family member would feel after reading all this crap im going to assume..NO!*

The potential for these families reading these posts is the least of their worries. They've got family members who may kill themselves or someone else next time they drive drunk--that's a bit more of a concern.

*Are any of you parents? Do any of you have teenagers?*

The life status of the commenters on this site is irrelevent to the matter being discussed. These girls put society in danger when the drink and drive--that affects everyone.

*How would you feel if the roles were reversed and you saw some of the comments people have posted on here?*

I wouldn't be reading this stuff--I'd be helping my daughter prepare her court defense and/or still reading her the riot act.

*As if the families havent been through enough hell in the last 2 weeks.*

Whose fault is that--the commenters at this site?

*Please keep your comments and opinions to yourself and find something better to do with your day then to point other peoples mistakes to them*

Hey, let's just not have a public record in the newspaper or a justice system at all--someone's feelings might get hurt. Hurt feelings are much worse than potentially having a drunken teen in an SUV t-bone your family's car.

sweet_79
Oct 15, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.
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Bottom line is these girls need to pay for their actions, maybe not some long jailtime sentance but at least a HUGE fine and some court mandated community service. I'm not too old myself and the morgue idea wouldnt be bad but I just dont think it would sink in, these girls knew the affects. They have seen the videos in school and probably had guest speakers about it, I know I did at Craig. Someone earlier has mentioned the mock accident they do every year. I just dont think talking about it will get very far with these girls! And Fam1819 how do YOU know anything about these girls. Youre sticking up for their mistake but you dont know them either so youre a hypocrit! And just because kids do this ALL the time doesn't make it ok! You just keep saying how we dont know them so how can we judge them but you haven't said that YOU know them so how can YOU judge them? Do you really think that everyone on here should just say "oh these poor girls, I'm glad their ok"? This is a blog, for discussion, I'm not sure why that is so hard for some people to understand. Dont get on here and tell me my opinion is wrong, thats why it's called an OPINION! And YES OF COURSE these girls should have their mistakes thrown in their face, what we should just brush it off? I live in this town too and they did something that could have affected me directly so I have every right to criticize their mistake and throw it right in their faces!! How do you figure I dont? You think no one should be angry about what these girls did just because they are young and because they got hurt and because they MIGHT be sorry for what they did??

sweet_79
Oct 15, 2008 at 10:40 a.m.
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I agree with most of what you said jajeja8 but as far as the parenting stuff not everyone has parents that are open enough to say something like that to them or have a good enough relationship with their parents. My parents also sat me down and told me I could call them anytime and they promised I would not get in trouble for the drinking, otherwise calling is pointless (for most teens). I also had many friends who make it clear I could call them no matter what time of night. I have never drove a car with even a drop in me and that is my personal choice. Parents do have influence on their kids but like I said some parents dont take part in their kids lives like they should because they think "oh he's 17 almost an adult I dont need to watch over him anymore" or even sometimes the kids push the parents away so much and cant be open with eachother. Parents aside and focusing just on these girls. . .They may have learned their lesson NO ONE knows that for sure but them. But I have had many "aquentances" (wouldn't really say friends) that have gone to alchohol counceling. It's a joke for most people, usually just one 2-4 hour session and they ask the dumbest questions that the kids dont take it seriously. They act like a drop of alchohol will kill you and thats just too hardcore for the situation. . . .

jajeja8
Oct 15, 2008 at 12:01 a.m.
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*** PART TWO ***

And I also agree with you that have sait parents do the best they can, but can't be with there children 24/7. But, there are some instances where parents CAN do better, and that is something that should be examined. It could be as simple as having more open conversations with you teens. I just want to state that I do not condone underage drinking, even though, yes, I participated, but I can count on one hand how many times I drank while in high school, and even before I was 21, but I NEVER got behind the wheel of a car!! (And even now, being nearly 23 years old, I refuse to drink and drive, even after ONE drink.) And for this, I thank my parents. They always said something along the lines of 'we know what happens at parties, and we trust you, but we want you to know that if you are ever somewhere, and you should decide to drink, know that you can call us for a ride - no matter what.' No my parents were not telling me to go get wasted and that it would be ok, I knew that it would be disappointing to them should I get drunk at a party, and that I would probably get in trouble, but that they would respect me for being responsible enough to not drive or get behind in the car with someone who had been drinking.

Again, I AM NOT CONDONING UNDERAGE DRINKING - but if teens/people know that there is always going to be someone for them to call for a ride, then at least we won't have to worry (as much) about drunk driving, or accidents such as this.

I hope that the friends of these girls are able to truly learn from their mistakes.

And lastly, Stewy and luluberry, why you felt the need to bring politics into this debate is beyond me (an I'm sure many others here, too). This has nothing to do with politics, or who is president, or who may or may not become president. Your comments were irrelevant to the topic at hand. I (again, with many others, I'm sure) just wish that you, and others like yourself, that wish to bring up politics where they have no place, or bearing, would just leave it out of your discussions. Its pointless to bring it up where its irrelevant. But again, just my opinion!

*** Sorry this was so long, but after reading everyone's comments, I had a lot to say!! Thanks if you actually read it all!! ***

jajeja8
Oct 15, 2008 at midnight
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*** PART ONE ***

First, I want to start by saying that these are my personal opinions, and I expect some of you to disagree with them, and that's ok with me, I don't mind. We are all entitled to our opinions - don't judge me, and I won't judge you...unless of course your opinions are so uneducated and brain-dead that I feel more stupid by reading them.

So, I think that obviously it must be proven whether or not the girls were drinking. (I'm guessing that, from those of you on here that are personally connected to the girls and your comments, that they were - but please, correct me if I am wrong - I DO NOT MIND!!) If they weren't then ok, it was an accident that is forgivable - as long as there were circumstances that were unpreventable. **READ: NO TEXTING BEHIND THE WHEEL, ETC... **

HOWEVER, if these girls were drinking and driving, I do believe that there needs to be action taken. Too often we read about people getting soft punishments, if any at all. I do think that these girls (along with other people, not just teens, who have DUIs, etc..) should go through treatment/counseling. And I agree with the comment below about meeting with people who have lost friends and/or family to drunk driving. But I think that maybe a framed picture of the vehicle wrapped around the pole, so that they will never forget HOW LUCKY THEY GOT in the fact that neither of them, or anyone else, was killed by their choices. I know some of you may think this may be too harsh, and that they will 'be haunted by this forever' without this memory, but look at Krystal Hart, who obviously had complete disregard for the result her actions had (I know, not everyone is like her, and some people DO learn from their mistakes), but having a constant reminder of "This could have been worse - I COULD HAVE DIED/KILLED MYSELF OR MY FRIEND!!" may be what is needed (by some) in order to truly remind these girls of just how LUCKY they are to be given a second chance.

Now, I don't want you all to think that I don't have sympathy for these girls or their friends and families, because I do - to an extent. I feel for the girls because they were hurt - but that is all. They are the ones that made the decision to put themselves in this position, and NO ONE ELSE. But I mostly feel sympathy for the families. They have to deal with this, and for the parents, I'm sure they are dealing with the "what ifs", like "what if I told her she had to be home earlier", or "what if I said that she couldn't go out tonight", etc...

fam1819
Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.
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What makes you think that their parents wont ground them?? Again are you their parents or do you know their parents or the real in depth details of any of this?? NO!! And yes they are GOOD girls who made very poor decisions life endangering decisions. What makes you think that this will pave the way for them to make even worse decisions??? Does this give them a free pass at no punishment? NO! absolutely not but I dont think throwing them in jail is necessary. I think they both need alcohol counseling and also they need to be hit hard with the reality what could have happened that night visiting a morgue is an idea but maybe a more less morbid would be for them to visit with or meet and hear stories from someone who has killed someone due to drunk driving and or a family that has lost someone because of a drunk driver see it from the other side. Kids do this ALL the time clearly you didnt read the article in the paper about how a party got busted and 30 kids took off running! Maybe instead of looking at this one case you need to look at the bigger picture here. Some of you are obviously parents how do you know it wasnt one of your kids that got away and when they got away did they walk home and leave all their cars around? Probably not!

tnimmo89
Oct 14, 2008 at 8:34 p.m.
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They are good girls though, both of them. We all make poor choices somewhere along the line, granted this was a very poor choice, they did learn their lesson, and thank god they are both okay, and no one else was injured. So all of you people freakin out just need to go lay down. K thanx bye

luluberry_0981
Oct 14, 2008 at 8:09 p.m.
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I remember people were saying the same thing when Krystal Hart killed that poor man... "she knows she made a mistake, stop judging her..." and look what happened!
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fam...
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These kids deserve every word that is being said. Maybe their parents will read this blog and decided to maybe.... Ground them???

fam1819
Oct 14, 2008 at 6:33 p.m.
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I never said they shouldnt be punished, and never asked if you wouldnt feel sad if a loved one was in an accident I asked how you as parent would feel seening all this crap on here from people who clearly have nothing better to do with their day then to pick out eveyones mistakes for them. They have a judge and jury and you and I are not them so its out of our control. They KNOW what they did was wrong!!!!!!! Im not saying thats all the punishment they should get but you dont know them so to say they will never learn is anything but far from the truth!!

sweet_79
Oct 14, 2008 at 1:57 p.m.
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Of course there are parents here FAM1819!!! I have a daughter myself and a sister about these girls ages I can tell you right now that of course I would be sad if they got into a drunk driving accident but I would also be EXREMLEY angry and disappointed. Yes they might have gotten hurt and no one here is saying thats a good thing they are saying that even though they got hurt and MIGHT regret what they did they could have affected the lives of many other people and they are selfish little brats!!! Just because they got hurt and seem to regret their actions doesn't mean they should just get some free pass!!! If the world worked like that then what would be the cut off? If they WOULD have killed someone but they got hurt too and were sorry is it ok for that? Should they just be treated as if nothing happened. These girls need very SERIOUS consequences, they need to learn their lesson not just be able to say "oh we are really sorry"! I understand that these girls got hurt and that they are probably very sorry for what they did both the action and getting caught and hurt but I also believe most people here do not think drunk driving should be taken as lightly as our city has been taking it. They need to be taught a lesson and they should get some jail time if not some HUGE fines. Then maybe other kids would start to crack down if cops actually took this stuff a little more seriously. Everyone makes mistakes no one here is pretending to be perfect but people need to PAY for those mistakes they made and these girls should be no differant just because they are sorry and they got hurt. Thats not an excuse!! Ask someone who has had a relative killed by someone doing the same thing. What do you think they should just be told "hey its alright you made a mistake" and just let it all go? I'd really love to know what you would do as a judge for these girls?????

fam1819
Oct 13, 2008 at 11:21 p.m.
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All of you make me absolutely sick! Saying we need to throw these girls in jail and they will never learn and that they werent sorry for what they did but sorry they got hurt and caught. I have a question for you.. are you those girls? NO! Are you those girls families? By your comments of absolutely no compassion on how a family member would feel after reading all this crap im going to assume..NO! I know for a fact that because of a couple very stupid decisons that were made that night, and yes i agree what they did was very stupid! They will live with the effects of those decisions not only mentally but physically for the rest of their lives! Both of these girls are SO very lucky to be alive when they both were taken to UW that was very questionable. But by some miracle of god they are both living. Are any of you parents? Do any of you have teenagers? How would you feel if the roles were reversed and you saw some of the comments people have posted on here? As if the families havent been through enough hell in the last 2 weeks. Please keep your comments and opinions to yourself and find something better to do with your day then to point other peoples mistakes to them!

luluberry_0981
Oct 13, 2008 at 6:26 p.m.
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BARTON...
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This is a discussion about drunken teens, NOT OBAMA. please do not bash me for my political views just to get your rocks off, it is rude and immature.

no
Oct 13, 2008 at 5:08 p.m.
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*Unlike Krystal Hart, These 2 girls are very lucky they did not kill anyone! I do think your idea of spending a night or 2 in a morgue is a perfect idea for drunk drivers who are caught. I agree that would wake them all up.*

They should spent a few nights in JAIL. I mean, society goes on and on and on and on about how bad drunk driving is--and how bad underage drinking is--and then when someone gets caught doing it they AREN'T EVEN PUT INTO CUSTODY? Are you kidding me?

barton
Oct 13, 2008 at 9:09 a.m.
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Hey Stewy and luluberry: Which segment of obama's political rhetoric will he invoke to achieve compassion? HOPE, CHANGE, or EMPTY PLATFORM. Or, will it be the combined compassion he learned from "the former BOMBER", the "convicted FELON NEIGHBOR", the "SWEET TALKING MINISTER and SPIRITUAL GUIDER", and his "UNPROUD OF AMERICA UNTIL NOW WIFE"? Wake up!!!

whybesad
Oct 12, 2008 at 7:54 a.m.
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Hopefully they learned their lesson. Be thankful nobody was seriously hurt or killed and learn from your mistakes and become a better person because of it. We are human and humans make mistakes.

ntuescher
Oct 12, 2008 at 1:24 a.m.
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I remember what it was like when I was a teenager. Parties, alcohol, and driving. I was one of the lucky ones who was not involved in any accidents, or even worse, hurt or kill somebody or myself. I didn't think about my family or other people on the road. Maybe this accident will open the eyes of those involved and those who read this article. Please think of others before you get into a car after drinking. Ask yourself, "Is it really worth it?"

JohnDoe
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:59 a.m.
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And with that, I would agree completely.

luluberry_0981
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:57 a.m.
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Yes Johndoe, you re correct about one thing, I am emotional over this issue. I had a good friend who was killed by a drunk driver a few years ago. I saw how it tore up her family, how it affected me, and I hope to god that nobody ever has to feel the way that these people have felt.

jpj2208
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:31 a.m.
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these girls are some of my friends. what they did was stupid and they knew better. im not defending their actions. i am thankful they are ok and didn't hurt anyone else. i sure hope they use better judgement in the future because next time may not be so lucky

JohnDoe
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:26 a.m.
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You are missing the point completely. Again re-read my posts and explain what part of our judicial system you don't understand or don't agree with.
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And no, I have no DUI's. In fact I am so far on the other side you'd be amazed.
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It's just that I keep an open mind and rely on the judicial process instead of jumping to conclusions.
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Your emotions are getting the better of your ability to understand what I'm talking about.

JohnDoe
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:19 a.m.
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Next thing you know, she'll be running for Wisconsin Supreme Court with the backing of WMC.

luluberry_0981
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:18 a.m.
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JohnDoe.... How many DUI's do you have? I am starting to think you must have a few under your belt with the way you are talking.

IF YOU DRINK AND DRIVE YOU NEED TO BE PUNISHED. That is the way I feel and will always feel. DEAL WITH IT!

JohnDoe
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:15 a.m.
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That's my point kid. That's one reason we have the judicial system.
lulu...is self appointed judge,jury and executioner.

luluberry_0981
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:15 a.m.
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If hating drunken teenage drivers is judgmental, then I am judgmental! I would hope that all SANE PEOPLE would feel the same way as I do. I am worried about you though...

JohnDoe
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:12 a.m.
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Judgmental? lulu... Look up the word. Your' picture might be there.

JohnDoe
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:10 a.m.
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WOW... you're a real piece of work lulu...

thekid3477
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:10 a.m.
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i was given a field sobriety test. arrested. blew .12 an hour later and was found NOT GUILTY by a jury of my 'peers' so whether she was ACTUALLY drunk or not is irrellevant...its all up to the court...

luluberry_0981
Oct 12, 2008 at 12:08 a.m.
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I'm not judgmental, I am just sick of these little brats putting everyone else s lives at risk because they are too damn selfish. If you don't like it,and if you can just live with the fact that there are little teenagers at the wheels of their over priced vehicles, drunk as h*ll putting the lives of everyone in their paths in jeopardy, that is YOUR PROBLEM. Do not make it mine. I prefer not to live in a world where drunk drivers are just slapped on the wrist. Deal with it.

JohnDoe
Oct 11, 2008 at 11:48 p.m.
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lulu...reread my post.
For your information...just because someone is arrested on a charge...does not mean that once the evidence and all related information is analyzed...the original charge will stick. For, if that were the case, we would not need a court system...now would we?
Just as an example for your closed mind...there have been instances where someone arrested for OWI was later found to be alcohol free, and the symptoms were found to be caused by a medical condition.
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Again, I am not saying that the driver was not intoxicated, but rather, unlike you, I keep an open mind and let the judicial process run its' course to conclusion.
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That is why I can sleep at night without being overly concerned about judgemental people such as you.

luluberry_0981
Oct 11, 2008 at 11:36 p.m.
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Johndoe....

"Valley was arrested on a charge of causing injury by drunken driving, according to the accident report."

Does that mean she was NOT drunk??? Silly me, I must be an idiot!

Sorry people... we were talking about the wrong topic, she wasn't drunk! Thank you, Johndoe for clearing that up for me, now I can sleep at night!

(sarcasm)

JohnDoe
Oct 11, 2008 at 11:27 p.m.
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I am not condoning or condemning anyone here.
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But I am wondering for starters, how luluberry concludes they were drunk, based on the info in this story. It only says that the driver was arrested on that charge. Not proven at this point. And in fact, many arrested are subsequently found not guilty. And the passenger? Where does it say anything at all about her drinking?
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The point here is that everyone is quick to paint with a broad brush...and it may very well turn out they are right...but what is more important...constitutional rights and the presumption of innocence...or jump to conclusions, pre-judge and gossip?
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Silly me...this is Janesville.

luluberry_0981
Oct 11, 2008 at 4:45 p.m.
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Stewy,

I agree with you. especially on the Obama part. But most people do not make the mistake of drinking and driving. People need to realize this. These girls were DRUNK.

Stewy
Oct 11, 2008 at 3:21 p.m.
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They made a mistake. Hopefully they will grow and learn from this mistake. We all make mistakes. Part of being a human being. Obama will show us the way to compassion in this Country like it was before BUSH got into office.

sweet_79
Oct 11, 2008 at 12:42 p.m.
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So to all you people that are sitting here saying the readers are being too "harsh" what would you feel is the right thing to say? Tell them "oh it's ok, mistakes happen everyone makes them". NO!!! These girls knew drunk driving was wrong, you KNOW they KNEW!! They CHOOSE to get in that car and CHOOSE to get behind the wheel. They should pay the consequences just like anyone else, not have excuses made for them because they are only 17. They are almost grown adults, their parents probably trust the fact that their kids aren't out being this stupid so to you people saying it's the parents fault you need a dose of reality! Parents cannot keep track of every move their 17 year old daughters make, do you know how many kids lie to their parents. If they haven't ever been in trouble for something serious like this then what reason do the parents have NOT to believe they are good kids. What were they supposed to call the parents of the kids the girls said they were going to hang out with? What are they 9? Youre an idiot if you sit here and sympathize with these girls, they deserve to hear how bad they messed up otherwise it WONT sink in!

Greek81
Oct 11, 2008 at 11:49 a.m.
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The Rock County Sheriffs Department should investigate this accident fully. If they do not, they are missing an oppurtunity to save people's lives. There are alot of questions remaining. Until the answers are provided, those who are being judgemental should keep their opinions to themselves. It wasn't an SUV either. In fact... the passenger is lucky to be alive. Her airbag didn't deploy.

Ernie
Oct 11, 2008 at 6:11 a.m.
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bn1967, I'm not defending these girls at all. I agree with what your saying totally. Yes, I remember the Krystal Hart story. I have commented on that story as well. I don't condone behavior like this at all. I do know one of the parents of these girls and I do believe he will take the corrective actions needed to punish one of the girls. Unlike Krystal Hart, These 2 girls are very lucky they did not kill anyone! I do think your idea of spending a night or 2 in a morgue is a perfect idea for drunk drivers who are caught. I agree that would wake them all up.

bn1967
Oct 11, 2008 at 1:27 a.m.
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Funny how some of the comments defending the girls sound like the ones when Krystal Hart drove drunk at 17 and KILLED a man. THEN went on to party and get caught 2 more times. These girls made the decision to drink (UNDERAGE BY 4 YEARS) and then to drive. Apparently they haven't heard of Krystal Hart. And if either were my daughters it be a cold day before she were allowed to drive. I'm sure they are spoiled girls with parents who are going to bail their little darlings out of this mess. I still say lock up these underage drinkers (who drive and get caught) in a morgue for a night with someone who has died from a drunk driving accident. THAT WILL WAKE THEM UP!

luluberry_0981
Oct 11, 2008 at 12:46 a.m.
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Angelwings....

My parents actually did everything they could do and they raised 3 children that rarely drink, and if we do drink, we do not go drive. (BTW we waited till we were of LEGAL age to drink) so don't say that the parents did everything they could, because they obviously haven't.

Devilsadvocate
Oct 11, 2008 at 12:37 a.m.
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What were the Janesville girls doing in Edgerton ? Maybe not important but at least it appears no one was seriously injured. Causing injury by intoxicated use of a motor vehicle is a hefty charge for a 17 year old.

Hopefully a lesson learned. Young folks with less than a years driving experience are at a disadvantage to begin with. Add alcohol and you have serious problems.

JohnDoe
Oct 11, 2008 at 12:23 a.m.
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"These girls are not sorry for doing wrong. They are sorry for getting hurt,sorry for getting in trouble and sorry that every Gazette reader knows about it!"
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angelwings....
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Do you know these girls?
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Or are you just a presumptuous bbb...person?

angelwings
Oct 10, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.
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WHERE ARE HER PARENTS"?????? you are kidding,right? most parents do everything they can to protect their kids and teach them right!! Sometimes crap happens,no matter what you do!

luluberry_0981
Oct 10, 2008 at 10:18 p.m.
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She is 17... She got drunk and drove... She deserves every single word that these people are saying. When I was her age, and it wasn't that long ago, I wouldn't even thought of drinking, let alone getting drunk and driving a big SUV. Where are her parents?

ithappens
Oct 10, 2008 at 9:29 p.m.
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People keep saying that these 17 teen year old will never learn. I how ever think they will never forget. The nightmares will haunt them for awhile. The problem started with the irresponsable individual that bought two teen girls alcohol. Yes it still was their choice to drink and drive, but you still have the adult factor in there.

angelwings
Oct 10, 2008 at 6:07 p.m.
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There was a letter to the editor not too long ago and the woman said"you are young,of course you have no respect." I agree! Kids and teens only think of themselves.These girls are not sorry for doing wrong. They are sorry for getting hurt,sorry for getting in trouble and sorry that every Gazette reader knows about it! Im sorry they were hurt and I hope they learn,but they are still kids.I know this because I was a kid too and had to learn the hard way. Now im battling with my own kids.

whybesad
Oct 10, 2008 at 5:16 p.m.
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You can tell a kid until your blue in the face not to do something and just for a few minutes with their peers their IQ goes down the tubes. This is why we have teen pregnancy and teen kids drinking and driving and everything else.

Ernie
Oct 10, 2008 at 5:10 p.m.
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I do know one of the fathers in this story and I do know that he will definately not put up with this kind of behavior. I'm sure that one girl has learned her lesson here.

puffer
Oct 10, 2008 at 5:02 p.m.
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No one is saying that they are terrible people, just that they made a terrible mistake. But when you make a screw up that could cost a life, it is a huge deal.

momof1
Oct 10, 2008 at 4:51 p.m.
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My God. These girls are not TERRIBLE people. Jeez, beat them while they are down and maybe you can take what little self esteem they have left. Holy cow. So many perfect people here. Don't ever screw up in life when you are young to LEARN from your mistake!!!

puffer
Oct 10, 2008 at 4:30 p.m.
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When you make things really easy on someone who makes a mistake they do not get the whole consequences for your actions deal. Maybe because people around them will coddle them and not remind them what a stupid decision this was they will end up repeating it. Who knows, next time someone could end up dead. Would you still say that them having to live with knowing this is punishment enough?

tinkerb45
Oct 10, 2008 at 4:17 p.m.
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Life is hard...its even harder if you're dumb.

outspoken_8
Oct 10, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.
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the things these girls are going through now are GOING to haunt them for the rest of there lives they don't need someone else telling them about their mistakes..because this is one mistake that you will NEVER be able to escape!!

Mikki
Oct 10, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.
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No, the girls DO need to hear OVER AND OVER about what they did was dumb. They weren't even old enough to drink, so they broke ONE law. Then they got behind a wheel of a car and drove, broke another law there.
They not only could have killed themselves, but countless others.
Didn't we just have another minor who did that? And continued to do so while out on bond?
Obviously these kids didn't think of anyone but themselves, else they wouldn't have made the decisions they did. Their decisions effected the public at large. I think they DESERVE to hear it.

ncpanfan
Oct 10, 2008 at 3:43 p.m.
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Actually I was out bowling and then after that I was the designated driver (as always) for my group of friends who like to drink. I don't always want to stay out but I do because I don't want them drinking and driving and if I put everyone in my vehicle I know they won't be. I still have to watch out for the other drunk drivers out there though...

outspoken_8
Oct 10, 2008 at 3:34 p.m.
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i know these girls very well..and i know that the choice they made was dumb but guess what..the situations over and there's nothing we can do to change things for these girls who are going through a really tough time right now..and the last thing these girls need to hear is how the choice they made was dumb..trust me they know their choice was dumb so instead of talking bad about them or their parents you should be praying and hoping that these girls come out of this horrible situation ok and without many problems haunting them for the rest of their lives!!

mytake4u
Oct 10, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.
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raise the driving age to 21

thekid3477
Oct 10, 2008 at 2 p.m.
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im a loser. i actually was sitting at home last saturday nite and tho my beautiful hair wasnt in need of a wash or condition(with hempseed oil of course;) i was 'spinning records' with rhapsody. does that mean i can judge??:)

Mikki
Oct 10, 2008 at 1:50 p.m.
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Hey, Localboy, I may not have been 'spinning records' but I SURE wasn't out drinking and driving, putting my life and the lives of INNOCENT people at risk.

no
Oct 10, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.
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*I am not condoning what these kids did, but we sure have a lot of saints on this post.

I am sure most of you were sitting home on a Saturday night washing your hair and spinning records. Right?*

I really don't comprehend why people always show up to state something like this. It doesn't matter what everyone else did or did not do on Saturday night. The story is not about what everyone else did or did not do on Saturday night. Just because one other person in the world may be guilty of something worse does not mean everyone else gets a "get out of jail free" card.

Now we can wait for the "hey, these two are just kids" excuse and the "hey, there's nothing else for kids to do but break several laws on a weekend night...if only [insert city here] would build a [insert boondoggle project here] there wouldn't be so many drunk kids careening into poles, trees or humans every weekend."

SarahB
Oct 10, 2008 at 1:30 p.m.
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I'm not even sure graphic commercials would work with teen-agers. I recall several classmates of mine dying in avoidable accidents and it did not stop us from our party adventures. In fact, we used to "toast to them" on a regular basis. How about campaigns with young celebrities who have decided to clean up their own acts or have always chosen to abstain from alcohol and other drugs?

janesvillean
Oct 10, 2008 at 1:28 p.m.
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No, it isn't surprising that two people in the same family have OWIs. Alcoholism commonly runs in families. I do hope this provides an opportunity for this one to break the cycle; it could have been much worse.

glock21sf
Oct 10, 2008 at 12:51 p.m.
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JCK, thats what I was pointing out, they consider one 17 yr old a minor, and then release the other 17 yr. olds info as if she was not also a minor

leostime36
Oct 10, 2008 at 12:44 p.m.
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thekid3477
Oct 10, 2008 at 12:42 p.m.
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'actually'. are you insinuating my posts arent usually intelligent??;) jk. im aware they do show videos/commercials like that, but they need to do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over so kids/adults all maybe think twice. a commercial where a guys helmet is full of beer in no way shows one possible negative of drunk driving...other than the actual arrest...which A LOT OF PEOPLE appear to be willing to risk...

jvltrnsplnt
Oct 10, 2008 at 12:30 p.m.
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I know that at Parker they do a mock car crash every other year (at least) and probably do the same at Craig, so they are aware of what can happen. I'm sad to think that the girls think so little of themselves and others to take such a risk. I'd like to know if their parents knew they were in Edgerton at that time of night.

puffer
Oct 10, 2008 at 12:24 p.m.
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localboysince1968
Oct 10, 2008 at 12:09 p.m.
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I am not condoning what these kids did, but we sure have a lot of saints on this post.

I am sure most of you were sitting home on a Saturday night washing your hair and spinning records. Right?

armyof3
Oct 10, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.
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some states do (or at least did) have commercials in conjunction to that point or even what drug use/abuse will do to a person... as affective as they may have been to many, they were quite graphic and contraversial... I agree that more of an eye opener needs to be shown to not only the kids, but adults that make such poor choices as to what the TRUE consequences are...

thekid3477
Oct 10, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.
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maybe if we actually started showing kids what the REAL possible outcome of drunk driving could be. have you seen the latest ads?? guy on a motorcycle with a helmet full of beer?? or the car thats full?? what a load of crap. show me a commercial with a car wrapped around a telephone pole or some alcoholic whos getting outa jail for the 3rd time or gettin outa rehab or someone who lost his kids or his wife. or 60 seconds of anyone talking about anyone they lost...

SarahB
Oct 10, 2008 at 11:50 a.m.
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Stupid, stupid, stupid.

gwendt
Oct 10, 2008 at 11:48 a.m.
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the driver was treated & released -the passenger was kept at the hospital. wondering what the passenger-side airbag did, if the vehichle had one.

andiwonderwhy
Oct 10, 2008 at 11:45 a.m.
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Both live on the south side of janesville, so why were they in Edgerton???? at a party???? Seems to be more to the story that isn't being told. Why was the driver charged with drunk driving and if true, where did she get the alcohol from? Shouldn't that person be charged with giving a minor alcohol?