Rare albino deer shot in Rock County
JANESVILLE Erik Hanewold had heard about the albino deer, but it was just a myth.
“You don’t really believe it until you see one,” the 38-year-old Janesville resident said “It’s kind of like Bigfoot.”
But when he was alone in his deer stand east of Janesville on Saturday, Nov. 1, the white buck walked within 15 yards of him.
“I drew my bow,” Hanewold said. “I put it on is back rib and let the arrow go.”
Hanewold harvested the three-point buck, one of only three albino deer in Rock County.
It’s unusual to see an albino deer, even more unusual to get a chance to shoot one.
Only one in every 3,000 deer in Rock County is albino, said Brian Buenzow, a wildlife biologist with the state Department of Natural Resources.
And it wasn’t legal for hunters to kill albinos until this year when their protected status was lifted in chronic wasting disease management zones, Buenzow said.
“It’s real rare,” he said. “This is the first time.”
Hanewold has been hunting his entire life, but he has never seen an albino deer. He began hearing reports of an albino earlier this year. It was seen where he hunts along Townline and Lima roads.
“I never would have dreamed that we would see him,” Hanewold said. “Nobody would have believed me anyway unless there was a body.”
But recovering the deer was nerve-wracking.
After firing his arrow, the deer stumbled away and lied down in the tall grass.
Hanewold didn’t want to scare the animal away, so he left it overnight.
“I was basically positive I saw him go down, but I didn’t’ want push him,” he said. “I was thinking, ‘Jeez, I hope a coyote doesn’t get him.’”
He called a couple hunting buddies, including Troy Avery, 39, of Janesville.
“I didn’t believe him at first. I thought he was pulling my leg,” Avery said.
Hanewold and his friends returned to find the deer the following day.
They saw the albino lying dead. It was much different than normal deer. It had soft, fine white hair like a rabbit. It also had a bushy tail like a horse.
“It’s body was glowing in the woods as white as it was,” Avery said. “I’m telling you, I’m at a loss for words.”
It was one of the best days the men have had in the woods. They had only previously seen albino deer displayed in museums or shows.
The deer will be mounted on the wall, Hanewold said. The meat was not edible.
Hanewold jokes with his hunting buddies, saying next time he shoots an albino deer it will have eight points.
But he knows he might never see one again.
“People say it’s like one in a million,” Hanewold said.

Nov 30, 2008 at 5:44 p.m.
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writergirl... I think you're wearing your "heart" a tad too high on your sleeve!
I think as far as I'm concerned (and probably Klick too...) Levity keeps us sane as we age. Too many people go into hyperdrive over the most stupid crap!!!
Lighten up... and if Klick and I gross you out... age will catch up with you too... and sexual silliness will overcome you as well!!!
Nov 26, 2008 at 9:21 a.m.
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Congrats Erik!
Nov 25, 2008 at 9:11 a.m.
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Curleysue- just another ignorant human being out there that likes to stereotype all hunters as boosers. GROW UP!!!!
Nov 24, 2008 at 3:34 p.m.
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Um.. yeah, okay, Klick. Obviously logic is lost on you, so I won't bother. I certainly wasn't mad, just confused by your lack of comprehension. I thought I was pretty clear, but I guess being able to string together a legible sentence isn't something you can do, so I shouldn't expect you to understand one either!!!! Also, you're a little bit gross. I certainly don't want to think about your old hard horn. Enjoy your (potentially) parasite ridden raw steak and I'll eat some... tree stumps, right? So clever of you.. almost, but at least you're trying, bud!
Nov 24, 2008 at 9:46 a.m.
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This by far has been the worst hunting in Southern Wisconsin I have seen it my twenty five years of hunting. No hunting pressure, no deer, made for a long weekend!
Nov 22, 2008 at 8:44 a.m.
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Klick.......Heh-hehehhhh... and the older doe's are easier to catch!!!!
Nov 21, 2008 at 8:52 p.m.
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Anybody see the news of the cougar attacks in Fergus Falls. 2 horses were attacked by what vets said were most likely a pair of cougars. Minn DNR said they have been seen in Milaca, and Cambridge areas. Thats not too far from Wis! If someone shot a cougar for trying to eat their horses, wonder how mad some on here would get?
Nov 21, 2008 at 8:39 p.m.
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I'm one of these so called fibs. I lived in IL but my parents are from WI. I remember going to the grandparents so my parents could hunt. I've eatin it all, and I must say YUCK YUCK YUCK! But I say eat what you want, it's your stomach. and who cares what color it was. I'd prefer not to hit one with my car so hunting is a good way of thining.
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Klick That was good! and curlysue, it's true. As a teenager we all came up here to hit the bars and go dancing.
Nov 21, 2008 at 6:47 p.m.
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gmaof3 never went deer hunting but i found a lot of little dears in the bar, and i must say i had quite a rack ya no horns......know what they say the older the buck the harder the horn beep beep.
Nov 21, 2008 at 6:10 p.m.
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I'm positive it's not only MY view. As for fibs? Come on why do you think they come here? To get away with drinkin and drivin, it's not to hunt that's for sure!
Nov 21, 2008 at 5:34 p.m.
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Spark says "You do live in Wisconsin you know. One of the most popular hunting states in the U.S." You forgot to add the booze in there! There are more bars per capita than anywhere else in the US. Good combo don't you think? Booze up and go fire off a few rounds. Dink some more to celebrate the kill, load up the truck, stop by the bar for a few more, then drive home. What a wonderful way for the rest of the US to view WI.
Nov 21, 2008 at 5:22 p.m.
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Such silliness over a legal sport! It would have been nice to be able to save the meat, but it didn't happen that way... Its just a deer for crying out loud! I don't care what color its "coat" was.... Same with people, I don't care what color people are either! Guess its all the same to me.
A deer is a deer is a deer....
Nov 21, 2008 at 2:56 p.m.
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Etrain....Miss you? You were gone?? Hmmmm......
Nov 21, 2008 at 8:50 a.m.
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Look they're so rare, somebody shot one in Waukesha County too! A ten pointer with a bow. There's a video too.
http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/34721...
Nov 20, 2008 at 9:28 p.m.
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Because its human nature to destroy ourselves and others.
Nov 20, 2008 at 8:16 p.m.
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I find it strange that , no matter WHAT someone does,there will always be people out there making matters worse! Some just are not happy unless they are upsetting others.Im not happy this guy shot a "rare" animal,but HE is.Why cant the public just let someone be happy for a change????
Nov 20, 2008 at 6:43 p.m.
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Archer, the fact it used to be a law and that I didn't know means nothing. It does explain things though. When I was a kid growing up in 1950's Chicago my friend's dad would take us on his hunting trips to Rhinelander and that area. People were always carrying the deer on top of their cars all the way back to Chicago. I even remember that once when we came back he went into his tavern for a few beers and someone stole the deer off his car! Anyway, still harping about the eggs, eh? Yes we all have our opinions, I know. The great thing about this country, reinforced by the election of our historic new president, is we get to express them anywhere we choose. Never heard of 1919Eternal either. I guess I don't get out much. The Beatles were the last good band, in my humble opinion anyway. :)
Nov 20, 2008 at 6:22 p.m.
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writergirl you're cute when you get mad .
Nov 20, 2008 at 6:17 p.m.
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writergirl well then how bout a tree stump or acorns . oh i forgot may apples / ground cherries /and turnips /and me i like my steak raw inside .
Nov 20, 2008 at 4:32 p.m.
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Professor? Don't think so.
Nov 20, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.
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Professor - Get a life. The fact that you would even use the Arizona story as a comparison to below posts is alarming and quite honestly, mental. What is your problem? Real easy for everyone to blame things on the guns, but never the people behind them. No accountability for anything and people like you don't help that cause at all. The fact that the media would even use the excuse that the dad taught the kid how to hunt as reasoning as to why he shot his dad is just plain crazy. The fact that people like yourself use this as defense to your views is even more crazy.
Nov 20, 2008 at 2:30 p.m.
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Archer, you guessed correctly! Are you a BLS fan? Anyways, everybody be safe this weekend and know whats past your target. God knows we don't need more "bad" hunting news for people to complain about. BBD Baby!!!
Nov 20, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.
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Professor-I won't get to that news info til later tonight....can you give me a brief recap?
Nov 20, 2008 at 2:05 p.m.
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Professor - you will never get it or understand it, and that's fine. That's why you choose not to hunt. Leave it at that.
Nov 20, 2008 at 1:30 p.m.
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I can't think of any legitimate reason that, because of a genetic abnormality, the albino needs to be thinned from the heard. (However, based on some of these posts, there ought to be more thinning of some heards...). I have NO objection to bonding. I just think you could maintain all of the attributes of the bonding experience without the killing of a defenseless animal. And, btw, have you been watching the Arizona case of the 8 year old's confession to police about why he shot his dad???
Nov 20, 2008 at 12:29 p.m.
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klick, what are you even talking about? Did you even read my post?! I wasn't bashing hunting, I actually stated that I have nothing against it as long as it's done by people who actually CARE about nature. I think most people that hunt have pets at home, I'm not some misguided fool that thinks all hunters are animal haters. I don't know where your head was at when you posted your comment to me, but maybe next time, you could actually read through it once or twice to be sure you've grasped what I've written. Not trying to be snarky here, but in all fairness, you did start it. And just as an FYI, vegans eat plenty more than lettuce and carrots. I get so bored with people saying that is all a vegetarian can eat. It's ridiculous, really. I hardly ever eat carrots or salads. I cook dinner every night, it can take a couple of hours, but the satisfaction I get from putting something that I know is wholesome and healthy into my body is well worth it, and I wouldn’t trade it for the convenience of a fast food burger or chicken nuggets. I do enjoy cooking though, so that’s probably a big part the joy… the adventure of combining ingredients and experimenting with foods to produce healthy, delicious meals. And, Spark, thank you for actually reading my post and understanding what I wrote. You’re welcome. I just like for people to see that all vegans aren’t crazy like they’re made out to be.
Nov 20, 2008 at 10:55 a.m.
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Archer - Good for you and him. Many great memories to come!
Nov 20, 2008 at 10:48 a.m.
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Thanks spark, same to you and the rest of the hunters here. I’m taking my son with this year for his first gun season. It’s going to be a good year.
Nov 20, 2008 at 10:30 a.m.
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Archer and fellow hunters - Good luck this weekend and be safe!!
Nov 20, 2008 at 10:24 a.m.
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Doggydoo.....I got your Brad Pitt......Do you miss me?
Nov 20, 2008 at 10:16 a.m.
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huntingstinks; You are but one person. Your opinion of dead deer and hunting practices being barbaric is just that… your opinion. It used to be the LAW that hunters had to have a portion of the animal showing while being transported, which is another of the many things I’m sure you don’t know about hunting. It is no longer the law, but that is where that practice came from. Also most hunters, including myself enjoy seeing other hunters’ success as we travel home. And I don’t believe it’s any more barbaric than the carton of dead chicken embryos in your fridge. Of course that is just MY opinion. And the fact that many newspaper, radio, and news channel web sites post pictures of successful deer hunters (many of them also have photo contests) proves that the majority of people do no find it offensive. BTW, 1919 Eternal is the name of a music album. That may not be where 1919 got their username from, but I bet my guess is closer than yours...
Nov 20, 2008 at 7:49 a.m.
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Huntingstinks - maybe you should move to California. You do live in Wisconsin you know. One of the most popular hunting states in the U.S. You are beyond ignorant with your comments. By the way, I thought you were gone?
Nov 19, 2008 at 7:12 p.m.
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Huntingstinks.......If you don't want to see it, then look elsewhere. Maybe you should gripe with the gazette. I'll make sure its tongue is hanging way out just for you. Huntingsawsome!
Nov 19, 2008 at 6:09 p.m.
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Thirty years of hunting and he brings down a three pointer and makes such a bad shot that he could'nt use the meat.I would'nt brag.
Nov 19, 2008 at 5:43 p.m.
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1919 what makes you think everyone wants to see the result of your barbaric habit with you posting it on the Web? It's bad enough I've got to drive on the same highways as you and watch a deer's head bobbing and its tongue sticking out while lashed to the back of some pickup truck. Btw, I sure hope 1919 isn't your birth year. With 89-year-old eyesight I'd hate to think you're out in the woods shooting at anything that moves.
Nov 19, 2008 at 4:54 p.m.
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Albino deer may be nice to look at. But they are a genetic mutation from the herd and need to be harvested to keep good QDM (quality deer management for you non-hunters). If I see one this weekend, I will harvest it and post it on the 2008 deer harvest pics at the bottom of the web page so all can see!
Nov 19, 2008 at 4:48 p.m.
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I heard there was an albino fawn out there as well. hmmm.......
Nov 19, 2008 at 4:47 p.m.
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writergirl just suck it up and eat carrots /and other green food .
Nov 19, 2008 at 4:47 p.m.
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*** BREAKING NEWS*** Report from SNOPES: Erik was seen buying 10 cans of white spray paint at ACE hardware that weekend. Also confirmed on SNOPES: Woodsman is really a MORON!!
Nov 19, 2008 at 4:47 p.m.
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frelnc- go get a bow and I want you to shoot at every deer you see, then jump out of your stand a track it asap. We'll see how many YOU recover!
Nov 19, 2008 at 3:03 p.m.
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Professor, I agree...Instead of letting the beautiful things live, some people will kill the animal to hang on a wall.
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:52 p.m.
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And comments like the professor just made, completely proved my point.
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.
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I bet Brad Pitt wouldn't have shot this deer.
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:42 p.m.
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Nothing like seeing something beautiful and rare in nature, and then killing it. We are definitely the superior beings.
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:37 p.m.
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writergirl- the difference between you being a vegan and many others out there, is that you may not eat meat, etc, but you don't bash hunting or every chance you get, push your beliefs on others that aren't a vegan. Just like myself and many other hunters don't push hunting on people that don't want to do it. There is a BIG difference. I know people that don't eat meat, and that is totally fine. They still understand hunting and have nothing against it. They just choose to live that way and I respect that. Just like they should respect the fact that I and many others have spent countless hours in the woods and are skilled and educated at what we enjoy doing. Thanks for your intelligent comment and point of view.
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.
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I’m not sure that this is even an issue anymore, but reading through the posts, I really wanted to post to represent the small fraction of the population that isn’t a crazy vegan! I see so many smart comments, and so many stupid ones, but it always makes me sad to see how many people jump automatically to calling vegans “freaks” or PETA supporters “idiots.” Not all vegans or vegetarians think they’re better than other people!!! I think it comes off this way because so many veg’s are so passionate about being kind to animals that they forget to be compassionate to the people that need the kindness just as much.
It’s very tough to see so many people who don’t know about the suffering caused by factory farming and even worse to see those who just don’t care. It’s sad that people can care so little about innocent, sentient beings.
I personally don’t disagree with hunting. I actually think it’s a very practical and important practice for people who will not give up meat. I would much prefer an animal die instantly from a precise gunshot wound, than spend months suffering before being cut open alive (as many factory farmed animals are, sadly).
I also think it’s a great way for a family to feed itself and be a little more in touch with what they are actually putting into their body, rather than going to the local grocery and supporting an industry that pumps hormones, antibiotics, and who knows what other number of chemicals into their product.
I can’t say I agree that hunting is a sport, and I can’t understand how someone can take the life of another being. It’s not for me. But if people refuse to come to the realization that meat is killing millions of animals, the environment, and themselves (yes, we all die, but we don’t have to pump ourselves with cholesterol and speed the process!) then, I’d rather see people eating meat that they hunted themselves instead of relying on someone else to do the “dirty work.”
I’m not crazy, I’m not an idiot. My dad calls me these things for being vegan, and it’s truly hurtful. It’s equivocal to children making fun of things they don’t understand. I don’t get on a high horse and preach because I know it does no good to badger people. We all come to our decisions based on our beliefs and values, and through education. I’ve done plenty of research on the subject, as any smart person should before making a decision that can so profoundly affect one’s health, and for me, being vegan is one of the best things I have ever done. I don’t do it so that I can feel better than anyone else, I do it because I can feel better about myself; knowing that I’m doing my small part to help the environment, the animals, and to keep my body healthy.
Nov 19, 2008 at 12:36 p.m.
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DogWalker: Personally, I would NOT walk my dogs in the woods for those 9 days. Take them to the dog park, or walk them in the city in a sub-division to get their exercise. If they like to be off-leash, take them to the Palmer Park dog area. After the 9 days, walk them where you usually do. Every year you hear stories of "grandpa thought Timmy's head was a squirrel" or something. People are so amped up, every noise sounds like a deer. Walk your pups somewhere else for 9 days.
Nov 19, 2008 at 11:08 a.m.
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Wow this is a interesting story. Looks like a beauty of a deer. My parents in the U.P. of Michigan have one that comes to their yard almost every morning. Good thing for that Albino they have is they are within the city so it can not be shot. the one they have is a doe. She loves to eat their garden in the summer and now she is into the bird feeder. A beauty to see though!
Nov 19, 2008 at 11:06 a.m.
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Dogwalker; I would say mid day would be your best bet at avoiding hunters. Thank you for being so considerate. Also the orange is a smart choice. It’s not so that someone doesn’t mistake you or your dogs for a deer, it is so you are visible in the event that a deer were to come between you and a hunter. Being unseen in the wrong place at the wrong time is the number one cause of hunting accidents. And yes, rifles are allowed this year. But don’t mistake a shotgun for a short range weapon. Deer slugs fired from a shotgun have the capability of traveling almost as far as a rifle bullet. Personally, with the added accuracy of a rifle, I feel better about using it over a shotgun knowing that I can place that shot exactly where I want it.
Nov 19, 2008 at 10:52 a.m.
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Dog Walker: I think after a day or two things will Seattle down,when deer will be bunkered down durring the day. Around noon time is kinda a good time,most hunters go for food. I too am a vet.,and wouldn't ya know it,come back to the world and get shot by a hunter. Remember how the hair on the neck stood up in the war zone when rifles were fired,i still get that sometimes when guns are fired. Anyway be safe out there,it's the one you don't hear,that gets you!!
Nov 19, 2008 at 10:37 a.m.
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frelnc - Tracking a deer and possibly pushing the deer further away where you can't find it are two different things. It is always smarter to wait sometime if you are unsure so you don't push the deer to a point where you will never recover it at all. That would actually be worse.
Nov 19, 2008 at 10:33 a.m.
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frelnc; Get a clue. Your ignorance is so overwhelming I can’t even believe I’m responding to it. If you people were half as good at reading and comprehending the written word as you are at trying (unsuccessfully) to read between the lines, the world would be a better place.
Nov 19, 2008 at 10:29 a.m.
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Hello. All of you seem like knowledgeable hunting people. Question: I am not a hunter but I like to walk my dogs in the fields and woods around my home. This time of year I always wear an orange hat and jacket and I put orange "vests" on my dogs. In the past I would walk after I came home from work as it was getting dark - bad time, I know. Now I am retired and I was wondering if you all could advise on the safest time to walk. Would you say mid day around 11 or noon? Aren't most hunters out around dawn and dusk? Also, I thought I heard something about hunters being able to use long range rifles instead of just shotguns. Does that mean I should be on the lookout for stray bullets? I survived the Vietnam War and would hate to stop a bullet that way now. :-) Thanks for your help.
Nov 19, 2008 at 10:24 a.m.
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Some say it takes a big person to pull a bow back. I say it takes a much bigger person not to release the broadhead at a rare albino. You just killed the gene cycle. Will your grand kids ever see a albino?
Nov 19, 2008 at 10:14 a.m.
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Dear Lord,
May all hunters be blessed with your grace.
To all who wander the fields and forests, may you guide them safely back to camp.
Thank you for the blessings of venison meat. Let the hunters always remember it is a gift from you.
Thank you also for the hunting knowledge, fellowship and outdoor experiences you give the hunters. May they always remember these blessings from you.
Amen.
Nov 19, 2008 at 10:14 a.m.
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"Only one in every 3,000 deer in Rock County is albino..."
"Hanewold didn’t want to scare the animal away, so he left it overnight."
A rare animal was gut shot then the hunter chose not track his prey and dispatch it humanely. Very poor judgment. I'm not against hunting - just against poor hunting practices. You shoot it, you track right then and make sure it's dead. He didn't want it to run - which equates to he didn't want to chase it. That's no excuse.
Nov 19, 2008 at 9:41 a.m.
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I LOVE A GOOD STEW MYSELF!!
Nov 19, 2008 at 9:31 a.m.
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I'll save you a big steak.
Nov 19, 2008 at 9:30 a.m.
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Oh give me a break! You tree huggers say you value life, but you would value animals more than people. I grew up in a family of hunters. I don't,but my dad and brothers still do. they eat everything they shoot. When I was younger, we were very poor and sometimes all we had was venison,duck,pheasant,or squirrel to eat. God says we have dominion over the animals so we could eat them. The same people who want to save a polar bear are the same people who would kill a baby because it's inconvenient!!!
Nov 19, 2008 at 9:29 a.m.
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Spark: Thank you for the compliment,maybe there is hope. And doesn't laughing make the world go round,i'm happy to put a smile on someones face. You disrespected just as much as i. And don't take these blogs to serious and ruin your hunt,have a safe one out there!
Nov 19, 2008 at 7:48 a.m.
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Woodsman-Seriously, get a life. Why don't you sit here and judge me a few more times. You haven't done it enough yet. Respect life? Are you kidding me? Because I hunt, I don't respect life? You are completely out of control with your analogies and everyone listening to you is laughing at you. Keep up the good work. In your eyes, everyone that doesn't carry a big vocabulary like yourself is immature. Anyone can study and use terms and information they didn't create only to try and make themselves sound smarter. You sir, are one of them.
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:37 a.m.
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pssst… hey fred20…if it bothers you so bad, stop reading it and find something else to do.
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:35 a.m.
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Yes there are people that think they know everything, and some of them don’t even know the difference between their and there. The nerve…
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:14 p.m.
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Spark:I'm sorry i missed your point! Their are people that think they know everything,you must be one.NEWS FLASH,YOU DON'T. Some day when,or if you ever grow up,you might respect life & the living more,but that will be some time from now,cause your immaturity is showing. Say good night john boy!!
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:11 p.m.
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I said it before. This blog is as STUPID as the womans from free stuff.At least she was doing something good.Cant this one be pulled too?
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:05 p.m.
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etrain,save your money.Just remember,it's veterans like me,that gives you the right to do what you do,enjoy your freedoms,while it lasts! Is your dad al,i knew him when he was a kid,if he is your dad!
Nov 18, 2008 at 10:09 p.m.
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Why are so many people upset, the guy shot a deer, so what? One of the reasons we have a hunting season is because there are too many.
Nov 18, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.
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Good point. I have to go pack for opening weekend. Good luck to all! Be safe.
Nov 18, 2008 at 9:17 p.m.
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OK enough is enough!!!!! Kiss and make up....Difference of opinion is a right, but that does not mean we need to be militant to each other.....Lets all sing KUMBIAH and HUG......OOPS gotta go...Dove Breast wrapped in Bacon are almost done on the grill.... If I don't get there quick Huntingislife will clean them all up.......He's still hurt Farmgirl shot him down.....LOL
Nov 18, 2008 at 9:12 p.m.
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Has anyone else noticed that the deer is DEAD and no amount of bitching is going to make it alive again? I think you all have beaten the proverbial dead horse. Give it a rest already.
Nov 18, 2008 at 8:52 p.m.
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Woodsman-the only persons opinion I'll be missing is yours and I won't give you the pleasure of leaving. You use stories like this to spew your ridiculous theories that have nothing to do with the matter at hand. Go back and read your posts on this story. Babble, babble, babble.
Nov 18, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.
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Happytime let it go. The Deer was harvested and the animal has been confirmed through Registration/Taxidermy and the DNR. The only way you will feel better is to shoot BIGFOOT! Unless I get him first.LOL.......Please move to France.....I'm sure they would be Glad to have you......When you get there stop by the beaches of Normandy and Ohmaha and pay respects to our Fallen Soldiers who gave them back their freedom......One of which is FREEDOM OF SPEECH........AKA.Great White Hunter.....OOPS Sorry Woodsman.....I'll bye your TICKET First Class.....Only the best for such a stand up guy.... AUVIOR ENVIOUS
Nov 18, 2008 at 8:30 p.m.
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Archer - LOL. That was priceless!
Nov 18, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.
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This is a link that I went to to first find info on the albino deer. There are lots more out there if anyone cares to read up on it.
www.buckmanager.com/2008/01/07/all-about...
Nov 18, 2008 at 6:15 p.m.
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dub190: From everything I have read, both the mother and the father have to carry the albino gene. They don't have to be albino themselves, but must carry that resessive gene from somewhere in the past where the direct realitives was albino. For example the does great grandma was albino while the bucks great-great grandfather was albino, then when the two desendants mate they have the chance to pass on the albinoism to their offspring. On the otherhand if a normal deer has offspring after mating with a albino deer, the fawn would be normal color, but would carry the resesive albino gene. And then in theory could have a albino fawn themselves only if they mate with another deer that carries the same albino gene.
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WHEW does that clear things up? LOL
Nov 18, 2008 at 6:08 p.m.
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i guess, in my opinion, i would rather the hunter get a chance of a lifetime and take down a rare animal, than to have a car collide with it on the road. Guess the animal rights activists would rather see hunting stopped altogether to allow the deer population to skyrocket, wherein spreading the CWD faster than it already is and raising insurance premiums to record levels to compensate for a natural rise in Car/Deer collisions or fatalities. God knows I have hit more than my fair share of deer up here in the Eau Claire/Menomonie area, and the road i take to work(Highway 25 ) is literally stained every 100 feet with roadkill blood. Yeah animal rights activists, keep damning hunting, the next vehicle that a deer hits may be one carrying a family member of yours.
Nov 18, 2008 at 6:04 p.m.
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tjncj: thanks for the extra info on Piebald/albino deer. I don't think woodsman realizes that being an albino is a defect that can be harmful to the deer.
Nov 18, 2008 at 6 p.m.
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woodsman: as I stated before in the blog I had gotten info on a albino deer website: "Obviously, being totally white year-round makes concealment in most deer habitat difficult. To make matters worse, many albinos in general have poor eyesight. Perhaps that is why albino deer are rare: lack of camoflauge increases deer predator attacks, poor eyesight."
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:48 p.m.
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"A genetic variation (defect) produces the piebald condition in white-tailed deer, not parasites or diseases. Piebald deer are colored white and brown similar to a pinto pony. Sometimes they appear almost entirely white. In addition to this coloration, many have some of the following observable conditions: bowing of the nose (Roman nose), short legs, arching spine (scoliosis), and short lower jaws. This genetic condition is rare with typically less than one percent of white-tailed deer being affected."
Bad jaw, crooked back, short legs, nose problems. Sounds like a bad member of the gene pool to me.
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:45 p.m.
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Up until 100 years ago hunting was a way to SURVIVE.
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We are predators, if not for Hunting and Killing, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE. Do you think they survived the ICE AGE on plants? No.
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Albino deer DO have disadvantages in life, Woodsman. If there weren't so many people around to kill them off, there would be more wolves. They would eat this deer before it became three months old!
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Are you sure two albinos have to breed to make another?
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:31 p.m.
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I meant HAS gotten,sorry.
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:29 p.m.
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Etrain, aka Erik, I believe the deer is classified as a piebald, not a true albino. Or was the DNR incorrect? The deer did not have the eyes of a full blooded albino.
"All cases of true albinism are due to the lack of pigmentation in the hair, skin, and, in the case of deer, the iris of the eyes, pink or blue, and the hoofs a pale gray.
This is not a "true" albino deer."
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:26 p.m.
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This blog as gotten as bad as the one for the woman doing the free stuff thing.Someone shot a deer.White one yes,but still a deer.GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!!
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.
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do it gOt pikters? uS huntrs isNt 2 smrt.
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:05 p.m.
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spark then leave,forever. But you will be missing someone else's opinions on issues,it is NOT always about what you want,maybe you need a reality check! Archer: I don't think you do understand. Read the book,man WILL destroy this earth,little by little,it is happening,think about it!
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:43 p.m.
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woodsman… It’ll be KKK??? I think we are beginning to understand why you are so upset about this WHITE deer being shot…
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:41 p.m.
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Woodsman-Do me a favor. Don't speak for me or my buddies..ever. I'm quite honestly a little fed up with your pointless and useless, babble that you constantly bring to these posts.
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:37 p.m.
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I have lived in Wisconsin my whole life and I have never even come close to hitting a deer or vice versa w/my car. Not saying it doesn't happen. People need to be aware that the deer are out there when the farmer cuts his corn or when the rut starts. Driving w/ brights on helps. Also scanning left to right when you drive at night helps. Drivers being alert and aware can reduce the # of accidents with deer on our highways.
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:36 p.m.
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spark i would feel the same way if someone shot a eagle. You know i'm right,but don't want your buddies to see you have a heart. That's alright,i can feel your pain,it'll be KKK!!
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.
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Woodsman-seriously, enough is enough. Everyone is sorry the albino deer was shot for your sake. Is that better?
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:20 p.m.
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A deer is a deer, come on. Some people hunt just for the sport and do not even eat venison. The deer herd is overpopulated and it is up to us to do something about it.
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.
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farmgirl if i am to try and understand you correctly,your saying that an albino deer has a defect that is NOT good for the rest of the herd! To my understanding being a albino deer IS NOT a health issue,i have found no health problem contributed to being a albino deer,where did you think it did?? The only health issue that is at risk with being an albino deer "IS" the hunter.
Nov 18, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.
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Technically it is a piebald deer, the eyes are not pink.
Nov 18, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.
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I am not saying that we should shoot a albino person..good grief. What I am trying to get at is that we try to breed the best genes possible for the healthiest animals. I have bred animals in the past and you don't breed ones that are known to have genetic defects.
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All I am saying is that albinoism (pertaining to deer and animals..not humans) is a defect that should be eliminated if at all possible to ensure healthier animals. And that by shooting this deer we are actualy helping to protect the species from this defect that does more harm than good for the animal.
Nov 18, 2008 at 2:51 p.m.
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farmgirl your goofy: Get rid of genes that are undesirable to society,you better leave this of your opinion to rest. Big can of worms, i don't think you really want to open!!
Nov 18, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.
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Does that mean we should shoot and kill the next albino human we see? ;-)
Nov 18, 2008 at 2:36 p.m.
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Just a thought for you to consider before you judge the shooting of the albino.
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Actually from a healthy herd stand point it would be best to eliminate the albino gene if at all possible. As mentioned before it is a genetic defect wich causes not only eyesight problems, but also problems in not being camoflauged and a easy target for prey.
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It is a kind of defect we as humans would want out of the gene pool. Sorta like eliminating the human gene that causes cancer or retardation, or any other disability we inherit from our gene pool. Why do you think there even is gene therepy? To help elimante such defected genes.
Nov 18, 2008 at 1:18 p.m.
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puff puff LOL!! So what your saying is,now that the DNR has aloud this killing of the albino deer,that after awhile when their all gone,the future generations will only beable to see this creature by past generations pictures,or a zoo,if they have any??? Anyway you look at it,seems sad!!! I am with you,TED is not liking this story at all.
Nov 18, 2008 at 1:03 p.m.
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That's correct. They simply lack the gene for pigment color. In order for an albino to be born, two albinos must breed. One regular deer and an albino deer breeding, will not produce and albino. Has nothing to do with "inbreeding". Because of their color and eyesight being poor, their survival rate is minimal to predators.
Nov 18, 2008 at 12:55 p.m.
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Wow woodsman… that is deep. Albinos are the result of two parent animals that carry the recessive and defective gene that creates the lack of pigment. White animals in the American Indian culture such as the buffalo that was here years ago, are not albino. Puff, puff and pass the peace pipe brother.
Nov 18, 2008 at 12:40 p.m.
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I don't know if it has anything to do with inbreeding.But it just might be a sign of a higher power putting these unusual creatures on this earth to give us some kind of sign of whats in store for us.Maybe a person should find the answer from the indian culture,they might be someone that has an answer for the curious.
Nov 18, 2008 at 12:40 p.m.
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I can't believe some of these comments. Go back about 100 years and hunting was a form of life. Congratulations Eric
Nov 18, 2008 at 12:02 p.m.
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I've always been told that an albino deer is the direct result of "inbreeding." Many states have lifted the ban on harvesting albino deer because of this. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know you will.
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:57 a.m.
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And nobody else is pushing their beliefs on anyone until you and hunting stinks starting chiming in. Keep it to yourself. We aren't pushing hunting on anyone that doesn't agree with it until they start in. This story got completely off the subject and was all about hunting being wrong in general. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with one shooting an albino. I'm sick of the anti-hunting b.s that comes up with stories like this.
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:48 a.m.
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Spark; Why would i change my name? I love the woods & all the animals i see,and have respect for all of them.And "I DO" know what is needed to be taken,and what should never be taken out of the woods! If you want to kill anything that someone says is legal,go for it,but i for one think it's wrong to kill certain animals. You don't agree with me & i don't agree with you,soooo who's right? Right isn't the question here,the morality of this kill is.
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:44 a.m.
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Woodsmen: For once, I agree with you about this. You can't tell me that someone shooting this animal didn't recognize it's obvious color (or lack of).
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:37 a.m.
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Woodsman, put a cork in it. By the way, you should think about changing your username. It doesn't fit you well at all.
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:21 a.m.
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Maybe he's one of those great white hunters that have to kill anything! Maybe when he gets it mounted he can put it on the wall next to his morning dove mount!!
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:16 a.m.
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Happytime Deer was confirmed Albino. Spark you are right! story of deer should of never been told. Photos were sent in by relative....Not the Hunter. All deer taken have made the hunter's dinner table. This was unfortunate this one didn't. If you had seen the video of track and recovery you would've seen the animal was field dressed properly for consumption not left intact for a full body mount. The effort was made to salvage the meat. Bags of ice were used to try and cool the animal down., and taken to a meat locker instead of parading around town in the back of a truck showing off. So if that sounds like bragging SORRY you feel that way. The truth was told and not hidden on the meat being questionable. That's respect for all Hunters and Non-Hunters. The numerous hours spent planning,setting stands, and hours practicing are all out of respect for the Game we pursue. On the animal being rare YES! ,but still a legal Deer. I feel blessed to have had the opportunity. Good Luck and be safe this weekend
Nov 18, 2008 at 10:02 a.m.
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It wasn't a true albino deer and who knows where he actually got it. He's a story teller, could have come from a game farm for all we know.
Nov 18, 2008 at 9:03 a.m.
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This hunting story would have been better off left untold to this website for the reasons and posts that are below. It turned into an anti-hunting segment.
Nov 18, 2008 at 8:26 a.m.
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I see this has turned in to a referendum on hunting in general. I don't have a problem with hunting, however it is unfortunate this particular deer was taken. Hunting and using the animal for food is an important lesson all people should learn, whether they choose to be a hunter or not. Having an idea of what it is like to kill another living thing to eat it is a powerful lesson. Shooting it because it was an albino deer is trophy hunting, which in my book shows little respect for the animal, whether he was going to eat it or not. I'm sure if he hadn't shot it, somebody else would have. Unfortunately I know many hunters who are more interested in blowing something away (or flinging an arrow at it) and filling tags, than in the art of the hunt, but that's just my opinion.
Nov 18, 2008 at 7:53 a.m.
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Woodsman - get your facts straight! You sound beyond ignorant. That deer in Buffalo County was aged at only 3 1/2 years old and had an unusual large set of horns for that age. Most deers antlers peak at 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 years of age. He had plenty left in him.
Nov 18, 2008 at 7:52 a.m.
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All you tree huggers may as well bring in the fact that its gonna sound like WWIII come Sat morning due to all the RIFLE BULLETS flying around from "so called hunters" trying to shoot flying deer! I hope I shoot straight seeing as how Ive never apparently shot a rifle before either.
Nov 18, 2008 at 7:19 a.m.
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Boston Bill-If he wasn't a HUNTER, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to take the deer. He has been in the woods scouting all summer and early fall, checked the trails, looked for rubs and scrapes, put the stand up in the place he figured would give him the best shot, knew which way the wind was blowing and walked in without spooking the deer. He probably has had his hunting clothes stored in pine needles and thinks about hunting 12 months of the year. To get a buck within 15 yards shows he IS a hunter.
Nov 18, 2008 at 3:38 a.m.
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Don’t be mad at the hunter for shooting this deer, BE MAD AT THE DNR! Prior to the DNR's eradication regulations (CWD zones) it was illegal to shoot an albino deer. Now, the DNR doesn’t care. Everything is fair game in the CWD zones.
The DNR has completely lost it when it comes to rules and regulations in the CWD zones. For years we were told Rock County was Shot Gun Only because rifles were too dangerous in heavily populated areas. Now, the DNR is saying that is not the case and its ok to use rifles in counties that were previously shot gun only, AS LONG AS you are hunting in a CWD zone. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STOP THE REDICULOUS DNR RULES AND REGULATIONS in the so called CWD zones!
Nov 18, 2008 at 1:02 a.m.
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I think your missing the article,albino deer,a very rare animal! Kill all the deer you want,12 months a year,who cares. Some animals should be left alone,this is the point!
Nov 18, 2008 at 12:39 a.m.
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Here's an idea...How about Wisconsin just stop deer hunting for ONE year...then, all you morons who feel soooo sad for this "beautiful" animal won't feel sad when you smack it with your car going 70mph on the interstate. Maybe you'll be wearing your seatbelt and the airbag will deploy so you can see just how majestic this animal is with it's legs bent at all the wrong angles still trying to drag itself away. THAT'S what will happen if people don't hunt the 1.7 MILLION (currently)deer we have in Wisconsin. Go back to eating your twigs and berries, I'm getting ready for gun season!
Nov 18, 2008 at 12:25 a.m.
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Where is Ted Nugent when you need him.
Nov 17, 2008 at 11:08 p.m.
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I will preface my comments by saying that I am not a “hunter” and have never have been a “hunter”, but that doesn’t preclude me from being a “hunter” in the future. I love animals but I am not naive about hunting. Hunters that I know love animals too, but they are true sportsmen and sportswomen. I believe them when they say that the thrill of the “hunt” is exhilarating. They don’t just kill to kill. They either eat or share their bounty. I admire them for that. Think about this for a moment. The amazing people who lived in this country before the influx of Europeans, “hunted” to survive. They truly, HUNTED. I’ll get back to that capitalized word in a minute. The settlers who explored the wilderness also hunted to survive and it is my opinion, only based on the hunters whom I know, that they are doing something that has allowed people to survive. Yes, there are some “nuts” out there, but there are “nuts” in just about every place in the world.
Okay, back to the big word, “HUNTED”. If you are a true hunter and have been a stealthy stalker for some period of time, you are a hunter. In the article, Ted Sullivan said, “But when he was alone in his deer stand east of Janesville on Saturday, Nov. 1, the white buck walked within 15 yards of him.” Ummm! 15 yards. In a deer stand! Geesh! He could have wrestled the deer to the ground. *s* However, my favorite is what Twerp13 said. “Anyways congrats on your extrodinary hunt”. Gotta love it.
Just my opinion.
Nov 17, 2008 at 10:57 p.m.
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Some ding bat is saying it's legal to kill them,but not moraly right!
Nov 17, 2008 at 10:46 p.m.
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If this was a rare albino deer wouldn't he be fined for shooting it?
Nov 17, 2008 at 9:58 p.m.
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That deer your talking about looked like it escaped from a old buck home,it was ready to fall over dead at any given time. That meat was probably no good,that was a mercy kill. I'll bet when he displays this he'll get more odd looks,then pats on the back.No different then displaying a stuffed eagle,not something i'd bragg about!
Nov 17, 2008 at 9:13 p.m.
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Some of the people on this blog have made comments such as "this is a rare animal and should not have been shot". I don't hear anyone bitching about the monster buck that was killed a couple weeks ago in Buffalo County. That buck is probably more rare than the Albino. The story said there was three of these Albino's in Rock county. Well the buck that was shot in Buffalo Cty may be the biggest ever in Wisconsin. Guess that guy should have let this "trophy" go as well so others could "enjoy it".
I also like the argument going on about evolution and that we have caused the deer overpopulation. Correct we have, so now we have to take care of it by "killing deer" and eating them. We are evolving people. WE are evolving with new technology in ammunition for guns and broadheads for arrows that kill faster and easier. Congratulations Erik. Hopefully you get a full body mount. I have heard of places doing them for free on big bucks if they can put them on display at their place for a year or some amount of time.
Nov 17, 2008 at 9:08 p.m.
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Is it hard for some to understand where i'm coming from?? I am "NOT" talking about the hunter that uses what they hunt for! The trophy hunter "IS" a different breed,killing just for the need to kill something to out due someone else. To me,and i'm sure their are thousands,doesn't matter if this kill was legal or not,killing the albino deer "IS" still a taboo,i don't care how you shuffle the cards. Don't get me going on the subject about displaying taboo things,i've been around the block a few times,and seen my share of displayed things,that would make most people very ill!!
Nov 17, 2008 at 8:50 p.m.
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woodsman - I've shot probably 30 deer in my life and have three heads on the wall. I don't waste any meat and neither do the many, many hunters that I know.
Nov 17, 2008 at 8:41 p.m.
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Why sure, gmaof3. Didn't you ever have a deer hit your vehicle? You going to just leave it lay there? I said fresh:)
Nov 17, 2008 at 7:58 p.m.
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ETRAIN, i told you not to let the Gazette know about your deer!!! Nothing like stiring the pot with all these beauties! HA-HA
Nov 17, 2008 at 7:51 p.m.
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Shopierehuh, seriously? I Don't think I'd enjoy your thanksgiving dinner....
Would that be maggots on the side?
Nov 17, 2008 at 7:47 p.m.
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I love reading comments from people that have not a single clue about hunting, let alone bow hunting! Waste of meat? Bad sportsmanship? I had the same scenario this year. Me and a buddy tracked a doe for 5 hours into the wee hours of the morning and never found her. I went out later the same day and found her in a creek bed. She was bad as well.Its just the way bow hunting is. It happens to everyone people. Of my 4 deer I got bow hunting this year, I have recovered every one of them, 3 within 10 minutes of the shot. The amount of hours Erik probably puts in bow hunting would baffle most of you. Congrats Erik. You've got a real trophy there!!
Nov 17, 2008 at 7:34 p.m.
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tjncj; I do know the difference between hunting for food,& trophy hunting. Food is Food,& just killing to put something on the wall for bragging rights,"IS" two different things,right? You sound like your hunting the right way,but i don't know hundreds of people that do know the right way. As far as NOT knowing what i'm talking about,put another 30 on top of your 30 years hunting,and you'll be closer to my hunting experiences!!
Nov 17, 2008 at 7:26 p.m.
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You're right redtop49, about the temperatures. I do not hunt if it is too warm, I don't want the meat spoiling. And I have passed up late day shots, who wants to take a chance of having a wounded deer at darktime?
This upcoming season is my 45th deer season in Wisconsin, I've hunted all over the state and never seen a white deer or albino deer. The chances are much less of seeing one after this year, it seems.
Someone implied that no one eats roadkill deer, I have and will if it is fresh. It works just fine.
Nov 17, 2008 at 7:17 p.m.
Nov 17, 2008 at 6:35 p.m.
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It never ceases to amaze me, how many people are quick to judge, yet don't understand facts. How do any of you know what exactly transpired in the half hour he had, from hitting the deer, to the time he ABSOLUTELY HAD TO stop. By law, he had to end the hunt. I'm sure he knew tracking it would be the best bet to salvage the kill/meat, however, considering it had taken off to tall grass... he may have never found it. Also, if it bolted, it could have ended up anywhere. It was dark! I doubt he had floodlights to find one lone deer.
And before all the PETA freaks jump here, it is a natural way to thin the herd. I prefer to see hunters in the fields than herds of deer jumping the highway.
And to the comment about "humans invading the animals' natural habitat...What would you suggest we do? All move back to England? Sorry, I like it here. And it ticks me off, when the deer march through my garden!
Had Eric been able to salvage the meat, I'm sure he would have. When the semi's smack into a herd of deer, I don't think I've ever seen anyone out there scraping up the meat out of the grill of the cab to salvage the meat!!!
Nov 17, 2008 at 6:26 p.m.
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etrain-says a deer is just deer well thats crap, and he knows it, albino deer have been protected and are protected in most of the state still. The only reason they are being allowed to be hunted now because of cwd. I have hunted 40 years and taken many deer with gun and bow but that deer is the first albino deer I've ever seen, here or out west, so don't make it sound like a normal accurance. I still don't understand why it was spoiled, did you not go after it right away in the morning? If not you should not have taken the shot at that time. I would also wonder if the weather was that warm in the first place if it was unethical to take a shot a any deer knowing that it might not be found right away. You claim to be an ethical hunter but seem to brag about the fact you have already have plenty of venison, maybe with age you'll learn it isn't always about killing.
Nov 17, 2008 at 5:58 p.m.
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Hey Woodsman, I have hunted deer for 30 years. Everything I've shot has been eaten, one head is on the wall. The hundreds of hunters I known have a similar ratio. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Nov 17, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.
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oops sorry use my sisters computer and she was logged in. I need to change that post is from farmgirl and not twerp13
Nov 17, 2008 at 5:37 p.m.
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woodsman & others: I would hope that any hunter who is lucky & skilled enough to bag a deer would use every part that they could. I myself love the meat, however a friend is not that thrilled with it so he donates it to food pantries. I also use the hide for leather projects, the mount is a bonus.. Sometimes I use the antlers for girl scout projects or for my own personal use such as teaching aids for school kids (buttons, tools etc) right now I am considering making a hanging lamp out of antlers if I ever can get enough.
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At my house there is no wasted part of a deer. As I said before I was taught to take what you need and use what you take and not waste if you can help it.
Nov 17, 2008 at 5:19 p.m.
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SPARK: And just what do "YOU" call it,when people KILL just to put a dead head on the wall?? A Lot of these so called trophy hunters,don't eat the meat,RIGHT?
Nov 17, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.
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sorry dub- didnt mean to copy you. I was reading all the posted and then commented.
Nov 17, 2008 at 5:17 p.m.
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To huntingstinks- are you one of those vegitarian who wont eat the meat. BUT REALLY LOVES A nice pair of LEATHER shoes, purse, belt? I guess that must be okay for you because we killed the meat anyway and you dont want the leather to go to waste.
If nobody hunted like many mentioned what would you do will all the deer population? besides a good luck with that sterilation(sp)
Nov 17, 2008 at 5:15 p.m.
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Good huntin' Erik. Don't let these weirdos get you down. Good luck this weekend hunters!
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:59 p.m.
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Huntingstinks comes down from their high horse just long enough to blather a head enlarging statement of unadulterated ignorance... "It just makes me a more civilized, compassionate human being who aspires to live a long, healthful and vital life" - Purely enjoyable, I bet! Someone told you vegetarians live longer and you just believed them! Ha! Is it your opinion that people came here from another planet? Evolution is an unproven theory and a bunch of BS. If evolution was true, we are just a bunch of monkeys anyway. Why do you want to push your ideas on us? Do we do that to you?
You should see what an Iraqi family would do for a deer carcass!
Who said the deer suffered, or was even gutshot? Some of you sure jump to conclusions!
If I need meat in my freezer to feed my family, I don't care what color it is. I am not a deer racist, they are all pink on the inside!
I hunt, my family hunts, my friends hunt. My children will hunt. People are supposed to eat meat. Predators killing prey is natural. If the deer herd were in danger, we wouldn't be allowed to kill them. Go save a whale. Or even better A PERSON!
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:51 p.m.
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HS - Do you actually stop and listen to yourself? Do you? You should, because you sound absolutely ridiculous. By the way, I thought you were done responding. I knew it was too good to be true.
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:46 p.m.
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No, archer, actually vegans exist quite well without dairy and eggs. They have to work very hard, however, to mix and match plant-family amino acids correctly to get proper protein nutrition. As far as sterilization being unnatural, obviously it is. Humans introduced the problem, however, and upset the natural order, so humans, being able to uniquely think and reason, must figure out a solution to the problem. And the eggs I eat did not require the hen to die for me to eat its eggs. I assume by the “boneless chicken dinners” you mean the eggs. But the eggs are not flesh and bone. Same argument for abortion (PLEASE, let’s not go there.) And the milk being drawn from the cow imposes no limits on its longevity. Agree to disagree? With that I’ll go along. :)
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:33 p.m.
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Optimism, How do you even know the deer was gut shot? IF it was, how do you know he did it on purpose? If a deer is at the right angle, you shoot it behind the rib to hit the vitals, an "avid hunter" would know this.
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Huntingstinks, What is it you do to contribute your time to the good of wildlife? When do you plan on moving to the moon? When you do, then you can complain about how humans are in the way of animals. What is your plan? Hope you don't have any leather seats, wallets, purses, belts, shoes, hats, or gloves. You better not keep animals out of your garden!
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ASK A FARMER WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT STOPPING THE HUNTING OF DEER!
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In case you hippy tree huggers didn't already know, ALBINO DEER HAVE AN UNFAIR DISADVANTAGE. Their lives are harder than a normal deer. They are almost all mostly blind. If they are allowed to breed uncontrollably they will infect our deer herd.
Your buddies at PETA euthanize more animals in one day than all the deer shot in the CWD zone in a year!
In my opinion a normal trophy buck is much much more beautiful than a freak albino.
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Hunters contribute more effort, money, and time to the good of the deer herd than most people. What do you anti's contribute? (this will be a question that definitely goes unanswered)
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How does anyone here know how long it "suffered"? No one knows if it was gut shot.
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Livestock are killed instantly? Most of them. Except for the one in a hundred that is too sick or lame to walk on and off the trucks. When that's the case, they fork them with forklifts, or drag them with a winch, bleeding or not, screaming and flailing to the truck. All just so the farmer can get his money for the cow before it dies. Remember that when you waste a pound of hamburger, or put on your gloves.
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:26 p.m.
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People say it’s like one in a million,” Hanewold said.
actually it is like 1 in 3000.
Neat story. I would want to keep it. Not shoot it.
I was in the Dells at a deer park and all sorts of colors there.
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:15 p.m.
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Oh great, now Woodsman is going to bring in terms like glory killers. Good God people, get a grip.
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:12 p.m.
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I've got a place where everyone can see an albino deer,i've seen it many times. This information "IS" for the nature lovers,not the glory killers. Take a weekend off and go up north,i mean up north to the U.P.,travel from Iron River to Watersmeet,if your lucky you'll see this beautiful creature. I have pulled off the hwy.2 to just look in amazement,i mean for a long time. If the freak of nature hasn't been killed,by a car,hopefully Mich. doesn't change the laws to kill anything,like Wisconsin does.
Nov 17, 2008 at 4:05 p.m.
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Okay, I stand corrected. You eat veggies, boneless chicken dinners and moo juice. But without those animal products, you would have to take supplements in order to stay healthy on veggies alone. I could be wrong… but I’m fairly certain you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I am still curious as to how you feel that sterilization or any type of human intervention to curb the reproduction of wild animals is more “natural” than hunting. And just a clarification for you sir, I have never put hunters on any sort of pedestal. It just looks that way compared to the hole that you and the anti’s try to paint us in. And yes, hunting does satisfy a very primal urge. What could be more natural than that? One more thing if you wouldn’t mind… I am wondering what kind of twist you put on the fact that every egg you eat is the life of a chicken, and how compassionate is it that every ounce of dairy that you consume was created for a baby calf that was probably turned into veal chops. Just curious… :)
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:58 p.m.
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Seriously people, this is a deer. How about focusing all of your passionate comments on something important, like your fellow man. There have been 72 comments on the blog for this story since it posted. There are currently only 7 postings for the story about the poor woman in Black River Falls who was allegedly killed by her ex-husband over a month ago. She had 2-year old twin sons who will never know their mother. That is a horrible tragedy that deserves our compassion and attention. Reminds me of when hundreds of people show up to protest animal abuse at the trial of someone who abuses a pet, yet trials for child abusers and pedophiles don't get near as much attention and advocates for the victims are nowhere to be seen.
OK fine, it's a white deer, it's dead, MOVE ON. Someone ask the two 2-year olds in Black River Falls how they feel about the white deer getting shot. Do you think they care? Ask yourself why you care so much.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:58 p.m.
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HS- You won't be responding? THANK GOD!!!!
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.
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HS - Die off eventually? A little harsh don't you think? I'm sorry your life is confined to some books and a big word vocabulary. Life is too short. There's actually criminals and bad people out in the World that you should be more concerned about. If you classify hunters in that same category, you have some serious issues you should look into. Let's talk about nature for a second. You sound like a babbling brook. There's your nature course for the day.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:54 p.m.
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Thank you pwned, you just demonstrated my point. I'll not be responding any longer to you, spark or anyone else who demonstrates my point.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:50 p.m.
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Another story best left untold.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.
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Sparks, calm down. You are an aberration. You and your descendents will die off eventually.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:24 p.m.
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And by the way HS, future generations won't stop a tradition if I, or any other hunter out there can help it. I will teach my son how to hunt just just like my father taught me and his dad taught him. And in the process, I will warn him of people like yourself. I will warn him that your type will always attempt to make him look like a bad person for being a hunter when it reality, he will be a responsible youth that respects firearms and the outdoors while your eating your dairy and eggs.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.
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HS - take your poorly thought out, useless babble somewhere else. Give me a break. You didn't even read or take in anything that was said by people that hunt in these posts. You came right back with your natural order, carnivore, digestive system lingo. You're in tune with evolution? You need to spend more time in reality and less time at the library.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:15 p.m.
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FYI tjncj, I have seen animals on the brink of starvation and on the brink of death from severe injuries caused by human hands. If you bothered to read my post, you would have noted that I am not anti-hunting. However, I take issue with the inhumane manner of allowing animals to suffer unnecessarily. Now you can take issue with that if you like... but, if you do, all I can say is anyone who doesn't have a problem with a living being needlessly suffering in pain has got to be a very disturbed individual.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.
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"Unnaturally dead"? there is nothing "unnatural" about a prey species being hunted and killed. Without predators it would stop being what it has evolved to be.
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:10 p.m.
Nov 17, 2008 at 2:54 p.m.
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Archer, just to clarify, I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan. I eat dairy and eggs. In addition to that, my nutrition comes from the plant family, not "pills and supplements." I still say your conservation argument is hollow. If you truly cared about protecting natural resources you'd find a way that doesn't end up with the natural resource unnaturally dead. Like I said before, this is a difficult problem, but you and pro-hunters put the hunter on a pedestal like you're doing this grand favor to nature. I disagree; you're doing it to satisfy your primal urges. Someday you'll advance beyond that - maybe you won't but future generations will. I believe it is the natural order. We are distinct from the beasts because we can think and reason. And believe me, I'm very much in tune with evolution, my friend. We evolved long, twisting digestive systems in order to have ample opportunity to harvest as many nutrients as possible from what we eat. Carnivores have short digestive tracts and as such must get their protein from animal flesh and organs.
Nov 17, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.
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All cases of true albinism are due to the lack of pigmentation in the hair, skin, and, in the case of deer, the iris of the eyes, pink or blue, and the hoofs a pale gray.
This is not a "true" albino deer.
Nov 17, 2008 at 2:18 p.m.
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All this talk has got me hungry for a big, thick, juicy steak!!! Good luck to all hunters this comming weekend! Be safe!
Nov 17, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.
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Not to mention that hunters tax dollars (money from license, ammo,and other hunters equipment) are used for habitat, to set a side land and parks for the I'm a vegie eater I don't kill animals, to go walk in and enjoy wildlife.
Nov 17, 2008 at 2:03 p.m.
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What I have a problem with is antis pushing their beliefs on others, every chance they get. I don't push hunting on anyone and I'm a big hunter. I know many people that don't hunt or don't care to try it, and that's fine. They still understand it. If you decide to become a vegetarian, that's fine too, but don't you dare push your reasons for it on me. Just stick to eating your lettuce. Hunting brings in over $500 million of revenue to this state each year. Ironic how all you read about today is the doom and gloom of the economy, yet the hunters are still giving back so everyone else can enjoy.
Nov 17, 2008 at 1:49 p.m.
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Vegidiotarions kill just as many animals if not more then hunters. They think they are clean from death by eating vegies. They just payed a farmer to do there killing for them.
Nov 17, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.
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Point well stated "Archer"! Go conservation and Go Hunting! I nearly hit a deer on I-43 near Clinton yesterday. The person in their mini-van that struck the deer just kept on going, leaving me, a hunter alone to call in the injured animal, along with my children. My children got to see first hand how compasionate hunter's are and how other people really didn't care. Several hunter's stopped by to try and keep the deer from causing more accidents as it lay there dying on the freeway!
Nov 17, 2008 at 1:39 p.m.
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Well HS, being a more civilized, compassionate human being just because you don’t eat meat is your opinion, an of course you are welcome to it. If being a vegan makes you feel superior to the rest of us meat eaters, then I say good for you. Everyone needs something to be happy about. My opinion is that you are fooling yourself. The human body is designed to be an omnivore. If you choose to fortify yourself with pills and supplements instead of naturally then that is your right. But don’t even try to say the hunters are not conservationists unless you have some facts to back that up. Don’t have any? Didn’t think so. If you want to get into the numbers I’m sure I can flood your email with stats on what hunters do for wildlife. On the other hand, the list of what anti’s do for conservation would be somewhat shorter. In fact, just pretend that I sent you a blank email and you will have a pretty complete list. Something that’s always overlooked by the anti’s is that humans are PART of nature. You are not above it, you are eyeballs deep in it like it or not. If we were not here, there would still be struggles with one species taking over another’s territory, or gumming up the system as you call it. And you are correct; Mother Nature is cold, cruel, ruthless and raw. But you are the one in denial, trying to distance yourself from the natural order of things. You can try to freeze things the way they are and live happily ever after, but the natural world is ever evolving with or without you/us. Sterilization??? Are you kidding me? That may work for the deer that live in the park by your house, but do the math. There is 1.5 to 1.7 MILLION deer in this state alone. Do you really believe that you can sterilize enough deer to make a dent? And who is going to pay for that? Anti groups? As civilized compassionate humans we can’t even take care of our own, and you want to create a health care system for deer. Try again.
Nov 17, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.
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Snerdley, you obviously have never seen an animal on the brink of death from starvation.
Nov 17, 2008 at 1:22 p.m.
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Farmgirl- thank you for stating what non-hunters obviously don't understand. Most hunters do not have the opportunity of "choice" when it comes to a deer (and deer management)and so you shoot what comes to you. However, in more controlled environmnets (large land owners who know their deer population)- will practice good herd management which includes taking out deer with poor genes.
If I had seen this deer, and it came in shot- I too would have taken the shot. Venison is venison.
And for all those that keep say- poor deer, bow hunting is not an easy sport. Your shots are usually limited and the shots you do get to take- do not necessarily take the animal down like a gun would. And "lost" animals are common with bow, since they will tend to go farther before actually dying than they would with a gun. Thus the reason for waiting so that you don't push the animal farther.
So with all that said- good shot and congratulations!
Nov 17, 2008 at 1:18 p.m.
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HuntingStinks-Glad you think you're a more compassionate, civilized human being compared to those that hunt. That is the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. The rest of your post is a bunch of babble. Those that don't hunt, will never understand it. You talk about nature, etc. etc, but those that bash hunting have no idea how much hunters give back to nature. They can't look past the killing. People that hunt give back more to the outdoors and preservation of it than any non-hunter will ever fathom. They also spend more time outdoors and have better grasp on things rather than those that decide to condemn it. If you don't like to hunt, that's fine. But don't sit here and make hunters out to being these horrible people for carrying on a time honored tradition. It's the typical anti-hunter that thinks hunters are just out for the kill and know nothing about teaching upcoming generations responsibilities and respect beyond the city and classroom bullcrap.
Nov 17, 2008 at 1:02 p.m.
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Yes, it is "as cruel." Crueler infact.I don't have anyting against people hunting. I do have a problem with animals being allowed to suffer extreme pain for hours before dying. The point is, if this is a "sport," the humans doing the killing should do so in such a manner as to not cause undo suffering to the animal. This is something which is in the hunter's control (or certainly should be). Frankly, it should just be a given. If you don't have the skill to kill it quickly, then you shouldn't be given the privilege of hunting it to begin with.
Nov 17, 2008 at 12:58 p.m.
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my family hunts and i chose not to. not cuz of what happens to the animal but more cuz the thrill of the kill was never there for me(and ive killed enough deer/turkey). i think man hunting anything IS natural...weve just developed better weapons to do so over time. as for shooting an albino deer...its sorta sad that its rare but had my bro/pops shot the deer id be ok with it. whoever posted before was correct that more people will enjoy its beauty/rarity this way. i can also understand why vegans oppose the sport of hunting. BOTH sides have valid points making BOTH sides rite. what i dont believe is that being a vegan makes one a 'more civilized, compassionate human being who aspires to live a long, healthful and vital life' as huntingstinks states. like everything my friend...thats all on the individual...
Nov 17, 2008 at 12:52 p.m.
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If deer had opposible thumbs wouldn't it be ironic to see one shoot the dreaded upright, arrogant two-legged man? You know this breed - they are usually out of control, running rampant throughout the urban landscape and intruding on property that does not belong to them. But then again - wasn't this a Gary Larson dream as well?
Nov 17, 2008 at 12:44 p.m.
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Not as cruel as a world with no hunting and an agonizing three months of starving to death.
Nov 17, 2008 at 12:44 p.m.
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HuntingStinks your theory of a natural death in the deer world equates to starvation. This is not humane to you or me. If you want to preach right or wrong educate your self fully before you bash the other side.
Nov 17, 2008 at 12:36 p.m.
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How cruel to allow it to lay suffering for hours before dying. Even livestock are killed instantly. Some "sportsmanship."
Nov 17, 2008 at 12:34 p.m.
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Sterilization?? Wouldn't it be easier to just make the "morning after pill" available to them?
Nov 17, 2008 at 12:11 p.m.
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Archer, first off, yes, I am vegetarian and have been for 20 years. I couldn’t make my argument if I wasn’t. And before all you omnivores start ranting, being vegetarian doesn’t put me on the lunatic fringe. It just makes me a more civilized, compassionate human being who aspires to live a long, healthful and vital life. I don’t profess to have all the answers to this problem, but remember, deer overpopulation is only a problem because we’re here. The wild is ruthless and raw, evolving over millions of years; it is not some sort of tranquil Eden. Nature has balanced out plant and animal population the way it has for millennia, in its crude and harsh manner. Now we’ve come along and gummed up the works. There was a time it was necessary for man to eat other animals but we’ve advanced beyond that time. We could eat much smarter now but we cannot shed these old habits. And to say hunters are conservationists is a rationalization for the shame they feel for reverting back to where we were 10,000 years ago - of course they don’t realize that, or, if they do, won’t admit it. The real challenge is to figure out how to co-exist with these animals without condemning them to unnatural death. Like I said before, I don’t have all the answers. Granted, we’re here, yes, and that’s a good thing. As a result, it’s incumbent on us to pursue more civilized solutions to the problem. Sterilization is one way, not without its difficulties I’m sure, but if we tried hard enough I’m sure we could think of others.
Nov 17, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.
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Huntingislife: Sorry but I am a married lady. LOL
Nov 17, 2008 at 11:08 a.m.
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Farmgirl I think I'm in love with you, can I have your #?
Nov 17, 2008 at 11:02 a.m.
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You go archer I like you.
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Can you imagine what some of these people would say if they actually saw out of control deer herds, where starvation was running rampant and the cries they would give out to "do something to put those poor animals out of their misery" would be herd. Or how about when the deer herds are so numerous they take our crops to complete ruin and force a shortage of food for us mere humans.
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I was taught take what you need, eat what you take, try not to waste if at all possible, but there may be times a deer is lost in the woods ect.. or meat uneidible due to some reason beyond your control. To do anything else in not being a good hunter.
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By the way congratulations Eric, wish it could of been me.
Nov 17, 2008 at 10:57 a.m.
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1st-People who are anti and or vegidiotarians Fail to think about all the animals that get killed every time a farmer drops his plow - Snakes, Mice, Birds, Moles, Worms, and countles other little critters all have to die for us to survive. 2nd Erik did no wrong here, if he had the DNR would have given him a ticket and would have taken his bow and possibly loss of hunting priv- for future. Morally he did no wrong, he saw he hit a qaurtering away shot (which is good shot, thousands of hunters have made this shot) and every good hunter knows if you don't get a double lung you can not push a deer or you give chance of loss and more stess on the animal. The aritcle never said the meat was bad, some of you just assumed it. So lets recap He was with in his legal right given to him by GOD and the DNR in the great state of Wisconsin. He was morally right to not push the animal, and take the chance to cause more stress and possible loss. If you don't agree fine get over it, it's done with. Move on with you lives......
Nov 17, 2008 at 10:52 a.m.
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Rexkramer: I like you.
Huntingstinks: I’ve got news for you buddy; you’re living in the wrong part of the country. May I suggest San Francisco? Also, there is not a whitetail in the world that was here before me. Their average lifespan is less than five years. That means I have thirty plus years seniority over every whitetail on the planet. Seriously though, the anti point of view is so twisted, I don’t even know where to start. There is not a hunter anywhere that wants to kill off or eliminate any species. The hunting community does more in one year for wildlife conservation than all the anti groups combined has ever done. Do a little bit of research with an open mind and you will see that. Are you a vegetarian? If not, then the only real difference between you and I, is that you pay someone to do your killing. You know that meat in the supermarket doesn’t just drop out of the sky shrink-wrapped on a foam tray, right? I do enjoy taking photos of wildlife. I have albums full of animal pics, dead and alive. And while the pictures do have a good amount of fiber, they aren’t very tasty.
I would like to hear your idea on how we would co-exist with a booming deer herd without hunting them, and without them killing us. Last year hunters killed approximately 520,000 whitetails. Every year there is 40,000 to 50,000 car/deer collisions reported in WI. And last year farmers in WI reported more than 1.6 million dollars in crop damage due to over populated whitetails. The state rakes in millions of dollars in revenue from hunting permits each year, and then there is the millions spent that support the local economies in the state for lodging, restaurants, and such things associated with hunting season. This year the deer population is estimated at 1.5 to 1.7 million. Can you imagine what would happen if we stopped hunting?
Nov 17, 2008 at 10:50 a.m.
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Optimism: Where are you getting that this was an intentional gut shot? Or even a gut shot at all? Do you not understand what a quartering away shot is? You should always aim for your exit hole. In the case of a quartering away shot, the best angle to take is through the last rib. That is shot placement 101. And just who are you to decide what makes a REAL outdoorsman? No laws were broken, and Erik has a trophy of a lifetime. We should all be so lucky. Do you think a brown whitetail is not beautiful? Does a brown deer deserve to be shot over a white one just because there are more of them? Personally, I find all whitetails beautiful, and each one is unique no matter what color it is. If you are really from a family of avid hunters, and none of you have ever had the misfortune of loosing and animal, then you either have not shot very many, or you are a storyteller. All of you “hunters” that are condemning Erik for shooting this deer are one step away from joining the ranks of the bunny huggers. Try thinking about this from beyond the Disney channel. There are several states where an albino is no different or more significant than any other color. It’s not magical, endangered, or the last of its kind. It’s just a deer. And at least for the time being, it is that way here in the zones of WI. If you sleep better at night because you would pass on an albino deer, then that’s great, I’m happy for you. But just because someone holds a different opinion than yours, that does not make it wrong. It’s just different.
Nov 17, 2008 at 10:24 a.m.
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contiued (sorry)
Another interesting note this time from the WI DNR: Annually, approximately 45,000 deer are salvaged with permits or removed from roadways by DNR contractors. & albino and white deer may be harvested and possessed in the CWD Management Zone. Upon harvest you must contact the DNR within 7 days of tagging the deer to obtain a Possession Authorization Receipt to retain possession of the deer.
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Considering these facts 1. albioism is a defect and not one you want to promte in a healthy deer herd. 2. Albino deer are more at risk from preditors and from poor health such as eye sight 3. There are many deer vs car accidents in WI each year and as said before a deer is a deer so yes it could crash into a auto just as well as being hunted. 4. Last but not least it is leagal to hunt a albino deer in CWD zones..albinos are not imune to CWD and the whole point of special hunts is to lower the deer population regaudless if it is a albino or not.
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Sorry this was so long but I wanted to make sure some facts were out there.
Nov 17, 2008 at 10:22 a.m.
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Just found this web site and thought I would pass some of the info on:
Every deer hunter has heard of one or at least thought about seeing one,but what’s the deal with albino white tailed deer? often asked is Well, although albino deer are rare for the most part, albinism is not.
Albinism is a recessive trait found in many animals. Albino animals do not have the gene for normal coloration and do not produce the enzyme responsible for skin, hair, and tissue coloration. The result of this genetic oddity is the total absence of body pigment.
In addition to the lack of body pigment, the eyes of an albino are pink because blood vessels behind the lenses show through the unpigmented irises. As you can guess, albinism is not a great trait for an animal, either predator or prey, unless they live in area with constant snow cover.
Obviously, being totally white year-round makes concealment in most deer habitat difficult. To make matters worse, many albinos in general have poor eyesight. Perhaps that is why albino deer are rare: lack of camoflauge increases deer predator attacks, poor eyesight, and a recessive, rare gene. A gene will usually only be passed on through a population if the traits that those genes control are beneficial to an animal. However, some traits, such as albinism, can be carried an non necessarily exhbited.
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Because albinism is a recessive trait, both deer must carry the gene before it can occur in their offspring. An albino deer bred to another albino would have only albinos. An albino bred to a normal deer with no recessive genes for albinism would produce all normally pigmented white-tailed deer. Offspring from this cross would carry the recessive gene for albinism but would be normally colored.
When carriers of albinism breed there is a 1 in 4 chance they will produce an albino fawn. As mentioned earlier, recessive genetic traits typically become less common unless they confer a survival advantage or are artificially enhanced through selective breeding.
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Based on deer hunter reports, only about one deer in 30,000 is an albino! However, not all white deer are true albinos. Some white whitetails have normally pigmented noses, eyes and hooves. In that instance, it would only be a genetic mutation for hair color but not other pigments.
Nov 17, 2008 at 9:09 a.m.
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Why was the meat deemed indeible? Did it have CWD? What a waste.
Nov 17, 2008 at 9:04 a.m.
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HUNTINGSTINKS....even though I am pro-hunting, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. I am an advid bird watcher/spoiler!! I just love to watch them, and was heart broken at the fact that people kill doves. But, I can't be hypocritical, so I just choose to ignore that information. Yes, the whole deer in the windshield comment was ridiculous! You are so right, the beauty of nature exsisted way before the over industrialized communities we live in now. But I do agree, most of the enjoyment of being in the nature (even if you are hunting) is to experience what you don't in the common place of life.
Nov 17, 2008 at 9:02 a.m.
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I commented on this thread because an animal was wasted, the meat was not used. It could have been avoided.
Now the anti-hunting, what I like to call "the lunatic fringe" has found the thread and all reality will now be dispensed with. Oh well, no big surprise here.
Bad shoots, unclean kills, wasted meat will attract these antis, as everyone knows. It is the DNRs fault for legalising the shooting of albinos. They are going to sell every piece of wildlife in the state, it seems.
Nov 17, 2008 at 8:45 a.m.
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Hey RexKramer speak for yourself. The "rest of us" are not barbarians like you and your ilk. Many of us are disgusted with the "sport" you call hunting. Rather than rifles and bows-and-arrows, why not "arm" yourselves with telescopic-lens cameras and shoot those instead? Getting a good "shot" like that could be as much a challenge. And justifying killing these wild animals because they're liable to end up through our windshields is ignorant. Man has encroached on Nature's habitat and built roads throughout that habitat out of sheer selfishness. So who's to blame? The animals that were here long before? Hardly. They can't think and reason like humans. It is our obligation to find ways to co-exist with these creatures. Not kill them off because they're in our way.
Nov 17, 2008 at 8:24 a.m.
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And as far as taking a gut shot........no matter how inexperienced you are at bow hunting, if a hunter intentionally takes a gut shot, they are only out to slaughter the animal. (accidents happen...but to intentionally take that shot is disgusting) A gut shot takes typically 4 hours to die, and in that time he is literally bleeding internally to death AND SUFFERING. A true hunter knows this, and would not put the animal in that situation, even if it was a trophy buck!!! True most trophy hunters kill for the rack, but in our family if the meat could not be used, that rack on the wall would never seem right. It would almost feel as if the deer was poached. Yes, you do need to let the animal surrender on it's own if it isn't a vital shot, because by trailing it so close to the time you shot it will only throw it into distress and you will never find it, but intentionally taking a gut shot!!!! NO NO NO!!!! I would love for this ERIK guy to sit and watch what any gut shot deer goes through for the duration of expiration.
Nov 17, 2008 at 8:07 a.m.
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IF THIS ERIC guy was a REAL outdoors-man, like he says he has been all his life....he would never had killed this deer. Even though there was a lift on the protection law on these albinos, a true lover of nature would never kills something so unique to the wild. I think this is just disgusting! Not to mention the poor thing only had 3 pts! This either means that is has some sort of stunted growth, or he was really young! We are a family of advid hunters, eat venison at least twice a week, but we would NEVER dream of taking a young buck, no matter what laws are exempt, and we would never take the life of something that contributes so much beauty to the environment.
Nov 17, 2008 at 7:59 a.m.
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First of all a Deer is a Deer. I'm not by any means a Trophy Hunter. I've taken many Deer with Archery equipment,and consider myself very proficient with Bow and Arrow. I'm am sadden that the meat was questionable as I enjoy venison very much I don't think there is any thing better.(Wild,Free Ranging). I assure you every attempt possible was made to get the animal cooled down and save the meat. Some of you out there don't know the whole story so I'll clear a couple of things up. The reporter who interviewed had no real knowledge or experience in hunting. Therefore he left a few things out. Yes the Deer was quartering away. Yes the Deer look hard hit. But the Deer did not go down right away. Body Language of the Deer and years of experience have told me to wait not to push the animal. I called and talk to a couple of fellow Bow Hunters and made the hard decision to wait. Which was the right decision. It was warm that night, but that's no excuse to push a animal and not recover it. I have been very Blessed and lucky over the years at havesting deer for my family's table. I have also been blessed with great hunting buddies and having their help over the years recovering deer has been invaluable. The shot was right and I would take it over and over again. I would also wait again. I respect and admire the Whitetail Deer. I think they are the greatest animal on this earth.(white or brown). I also feel it's not a right to Hunt but a Privilege and we are blessed to do so. All in all It does upset me that I lost my backstraps and roast. The two Does I got earlier this year will have to do for now. To all those out there that are true Sportsman have a safe and successful season. I hope everyone has the luck I've had this year. Like I said a Deer is a Deer. Some are just more special then others! P.S. My Trophy's over the years do not have huge racks.(even the ones on the wall) Their all special and I would never sell one. I'm A Bowhunter not a Salesman!
Nov 17, 2008 at 3:15 a.m.
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I'll bet all you folks with your hankies out shedding a tear for the poor albino deer wouldn't be nearly as sympathetic if it crashed through the windshield of your car. As mentioned before, it's not like a bald eagle was killed for crying out loud. Go walk yourselves into the woods in your recycled soy soled hemp sandals, wrap your arms around a tree and repeat after me..."serenity now, serenity now", then, when you've joined the rest of us on planet Earth you'll feel much better.
Nov 17, 2008 at 2:02 a.m.
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I was thinking it was the best choice to kill something rare as well... ...Janesvillians!
Nov 16, 2008 at 11:44 p.m.
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Seeing a mounted dead animal is a far cry from seeing it alive and running thru the woods or a field.
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:51 p.m.
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I have struggled with what to say on this issue.I was disgusted at the fact that someone killed something rare and beautiful.At the same time,I love a good steak.I have never liked venison,but I love a good steak.So who am I to judge?
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:46 p.m.
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The deer and duck / goose season is to short the season should be from nov first to end of march and get rid of some of the pesky animals .the food pantries would love to take anything .
Nov 16, 2008 at 9:41 p.m.
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Some of you people are incredible. First of all, you can certainly field dress an animal and any taxidermist can still do a mount. Second, there is NO information about him killing this animal to sell it. Third, some of you act like this was the last of some sort of mystical creature. It is an albino, which means it has a genetic defect that causes its condition. It’s not even in the same ball park as the white buffalo. And lastly, if he had let it go, just how many people do you think would have actually seen this deer and been able to “enjoy” it. I can guarantee you that many more will see it this way as a mount, than would have ever seen it in the wild. It is unfortunate that the meat was unable to be utilized. But there are no absolutes in the world of hunting. Things happen that are beyond your control. How many of you have let a pound of hamburger spoil in your refrigerator and had to throw it away? It is funny how we as humans can be so selective as to how we apply our feeling and beliefs. Somehow a cow in the supermarket has less life value than a genetically defective deer in the woods. >>>------>
Nov 16, 2008 at 9:31 p.m.
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As a bow hunter of 22 years, I can appreciate how Erik went about his decision not to pursue the deer. I assume the shot was taken from a tree stand. Behind the rib on a quartering away shot is a high-percentage shot. If the deer was hit high (above key organs), it can live for several or more days. If it was gut shot, it can easily make it into the next day. Under those scenarios, the meat would still be good. Not sure when the deer was shot--during the warm spell a couple of weeks ago?
The last thing you want to do is push the deer into the next county. Having lost a couple of deer myself by pushing them following shots that I was certain were fatal, you err on the side of caution.
I'm not familiar with the area where the deer was shot, but I assume that much of the surrounding land is private and/or developed--which complicates the process of tracking a pushed deer. One of the bigger risks is losing the blood trail if the deer is running. All of this would have taken place in the dark.
Congratulations Erik on a rare, legal trophy kill! You played by the rules and went by the book with your shot selection and decision on whether to pursue the deer.
Nov 16, 2008 at 8:27 p.m.
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The headline says "rare". To most of us rare means scarce or unusual,or not frequently encountered. I am sorry to see such a magnificent animal killed. It's like the deer's life was wasted because it's meat was not usable. Like he said "one in a million" and 1 of 3 in Rock Co. so now even less people will get the opportunity to see one. And "just because I never had to opportunity to do it" doesn't mean i would if it presented itself. I personally feel it was wrong to shot the "rare" animal...my opinion.
Nov 16, 2008 at 7:29 p.m.
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I think this is a shame, I've seen this or a different albino deer near Lima Marsh for a couple of years while Pheasant hunting. The first time my dog jumped it at 30 yards and it was an amazing sight and took my breath away watching him run off into the woods, than last year I seen him running with about 6 other deer across a field. The last thing on my mind was shooting it, when someone told me this year it was legal I figured some yahoo would shoot it. I blame the DNR they have given up all sense of right and wrong in there zeal to kill deer, rifles in populated areas, killing ablino deer what next. I don't understand why the meat was no good, Iv'e killed many deer and not found them until the next morning, and made use of the meat. I think he gut shot it and just didn't want to mess up the deer for the mount, because thats the only reason he shot it to sell it. Its to bad more people won't get to see it alive.
Nov 16, 2008 at 7:13 p.m.
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I heard he thought he was a goat. I see the resemblance.
Nov 16, 2008 at 4:34 p.m.
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I don't think it was a fawn from this year, I think it was a yearling. Man! Did you see those antlers? They are like, a bit longer than the deer's ears. Quite the trophy!
Nov 16, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.
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What'll Ted Nugent hears this!!!
Nov 16, 2008 at 3:54 p.m.
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To all you "long time hunters" who would have let the albino deer go, get a life. Maybe when you see that trophy buck, you should let him go too since he is such a rare animal. Congrats Erik, i am sure it was very exciting and will create lots of memories.
Nov 16, 2008 at 2:45 p.m.
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It's called Hunting! Albino or not! Bow hunting is a tricky sport. You have to be good at it to hit the deer and save the meat from being wasted. It happens every year. The deers do get hit in the wrong place sometimes. They do it during gun season too. Most people are not Professional shooters. Get over it. Good job Erik and Congrats. on your once in a life time hit. It's like the 30 pointer!!!
Nov 16, 2008 at 12:07 p.m.
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I agree with a lot of these people like i said in my other post what a waste and if he would have not let the meat get bad he could have donated the meat to local food banks and things they always need the help so thats another reason why it is a waste..And if he new it was getting to late to shot why did he? just to show off to his friends and just to say he got a albino deer..what a waste..
Nov 16, 2008 at 11:54 a.m.
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whitewashed. clever??;)
Nov 16, 2008 at 11:52 a.m.
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Archer, I agree with you fully. Congratulations Erik, if you wouldn't have shot him, someone else surely would have.
Nov 16, 2008 at 11:24 a.m.
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Last shooting time on Nov. 1 was probably about 5:00pm. Sunup probably about 5:00am. Typically you give a deer 30-60 minutes to die so as not to drive it away wounded. It was stated that it stumbled away and lay down in the tall grass, which indicates a mortal wound. Coming back the next day caused the animal to be wasted because the meat was tainted from laying with the guts for 12 hours or more.
It was a wasted animal. The animal did not shoot itself, the hunter did. The hunter allowed the animal to be wasted. That is a shame, no matter how it is whitewashed. Legal or not that is a shame.
The DNR is in the business of selling deer, and ethics have diminished somewhat in the 45 years I have hunted deer in Wisconsin.
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:59 a.m.
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He said he aimed for the back rib. If the deer was quartering away, this is the correct spot to shoot for. None of you know the circumstances as to why the meat was determined to be inedible. Maybe he felt it sat too long, in too warm of temperatures, possibly the meat is a bit different in an albino animal (I don't know, I've never eaten one), or maybe he is one of the many people that choose to not consume venison taken in a CWD zone. Whatever the reason, it is his legally taken animal and therefore his decision as to what he does with the meat. Those of you that are so quick to cast stones obviously know very little about the big picture of hunting. If you are unsure about a hit, it is always better to come back later and not push the animal. With archery equipment, you are probably not going to get another shot at that animal if you jump him, and if it is after dark, you can't carry a weapon anyway. All you will do is keep stressing the animal and increase your chances of not recovering it. Also, there are many states where there are no restrictions on albino animals, and never have been. Some of you feel that just because you have never been able to do it, it makes it wrong. This animal was taken legally and in my opinion, ethically . Congratulations on your trophy Erik!
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:42 a.m.
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And they call John McCain an "American Hero!" WOW......This took REAL stones!
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:42 a.m.
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That must have been so exciting! I bet he was freaking out when he saw it. The adrenalin must have been in hyperdrive!!!
Awesome!
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:15 a.m.
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I agree with chefd!! I also have been hunting for over 20 years. I would love the opportunity to see an albino deer come through my area. I sure as hell wouldnt shoot it to show off to my buddies. I never knew they made it legal to shoot these albino deer. I guess leave it to the dnr. I don't agree with the whole cwd and wanting to harvest all the deer in the state. Now thanks to the dnr and Erik we all have one less rare animal for us to see and enjoy while in the woods.
Nov 16, 2008 at 10:08 a.m.
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Actually we discussed this in my daughters hunters ed class this year. The DNR warden even said that it was ok and in fact encouraged to shoot ANY deer even if it was a albino..all in order to help control CWD.
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After reading this story she was sad to hear someone else had gotten it, she would of loved to have shot it herself.
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It is sad to hear however, that the meat was spoiled. But as some have said either they should of shot closer to the vitals or at least tried to see where it went down. I would never have left a deer in pain if at all possible, let alone lose the meat and the mount. But I guess the thrill of seeing the albino and actually getting the chance (a once in a lifetime chance at that) that I may have taken the shot myself in a less than perfect kill zone.
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Anyways congrats on your extrodinary hunt, it will be the one you can talk about for the rest of your life. Good luck to all of the other hunters out there this deer season please stay safe.
Nov 16, 2008 at 9:51 a.m.
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So why shot it if you cant eat it...That was just a wasted of meat and arrows..And too me the keyword is rare why shoot it then if it was rare..I myself hunt and if i or my better half would have seen we would not have shot it..
Nov 16, 2008 at 9:42 a.m.
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He should contact Gander Mountain, I have heard that they would be willing pay someone for an albino deer, they want to mount it and put it display in the store.
Nov 16, 2008 at 9:35 a.m.
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why not just let him go? I have hunted for over 15 years and even if allowed would not shoot the Albino deer. What a jerk. Waste not want not.
Nov 16, 2008 at 9:35 a.m.
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"It’s unusual to see an albino deer, even more unusual to get a chance to shoot one."
Now it'll be that much more unusual. The disregard for life displayed by this story (killing a rare animal, leaving it over night) is troubling. I guess white deer aren't as special as white buffalo.
Nov 16, 2008 at 6:25 a.m.
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I'm with you shopiere, it sounds as if he sighted at the back of the rib cage??? what's wrong with just behind the front shoulder where vitals would've been hit. Certainly gut shot. To his credit, he did leave it lay instead of searching right away chasing the animal making recovery impossible. People do need, especially bow hunting, to practice practice practice, then when shots present themselves, take only certain kill shots. Wasting this animal flies in the face of what true sportsmanship is or should be about.
Nov 16, 2008 at 12:32 a.m.
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A waste of meat, a waste of an animal. The 40+ years, I've hunted deer, every effort was and is made to track and find it so it was not wasted. Shoot it too late in the day, then track it by flashlight, or don't shoot it too late in the day. Problem is, they lay dead too long without being cleaned, the meat goes bad. This is what one has to guess happened.
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