Will casino's odds change?
BELOIT The last days before a presidential election are long, anxious ones for anyone who follows politics.
But Beloit residents—indeed anyone living in Rock County—have one more reason to wonder how a new president could affect local issues: the long-awaited Beloit casino project.
Seventy-five percent of city of Beloit residents cast ballots in the November 2000 election. Along with the choice between presidential candidates George W. Bush and Al Gore, Beloit voters faced a referendum question.
And 61 percent of them said, "Yes," they would support a contract between the city and the Bad River and St. Croix Chippewa tribes to build a casino in Beloit.
Eight years later, on the eve of another presidential election, the project sits in Washington, D.C., still waiting federal approval.
What's kept it from being dismissed along with more than 20 other applications for off-reservation casinos is that it's in the middle of litigation with the federal government, project spokesman Joe Hunt said.
The northern Wisconsin tribes—and others across the country—have given up hope that federal officials in the current administration will move the project forward, Hunt said.
"We don't think that (Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne) made the processing of these applications a priority of the interior department," Hunt said.
The Bad River and St. Croix tribes don't plan to take drastic action like that taken in Kenosha, where the Menominee tribe requested their casino application be pulled from consideration until a new administration is in place. But the tribes working on the Beloit casino project have filed a lawsuit that claims the federal government has created policy that is unfair for tribes seeking off-reservation casinos.
Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Janesville, has supported the Kenosha project, Hunt said. In Beloit, Rep. Tammy Baldwin, Sen. Judy Robson and Rep. Chuck Benedict, all Democrats, have supported the casino project.
"This isn't about Democrats and Republicans. This is about jobs and helping the tribes," Hunt said.
Hunt said the casino project does not endorse a presidential candidate.
The city and the tribes are pitching a $300 million, two-phase project off Interstate 90/39 on Beloit's south side. The completed project would include a 100,000-square-foot casino, a convention center, restaurants, a gift shop and a childcare facility on 26 acres in trust.
The plans include a hotel, theater, indoor water park and parking facilities on 33 adjacent acres.
To compensate for taking the 26 acres off the tax roll and putting it into trust, the tribes would pay the city of Beloit $145 million. The city would pass 30 percent of that money on to Rock County government.
In January, the project got regional approval and moved to Washington, D.C., for national approval. In the meantime, the department of the interior created a policy that restricted the distance casinos may be located from their home reservations. In other words, the policy made it difficult to get approval for off-reservation casinos like the one pitched for Beloit, Hunt said.
The Bad River and St. Croix tribes, as well as other tribes in the United States, filed law suits against the policy.
The Beloit project's suit was dismissed, but the group appealed the dismissal. So the application is still in limbo in Washington, D.C.
Eight years
A lot has changed in Rock County in the last eight months, let alone eight years.
With the looming closure of the Janesville GM plant and the fallout of jobs at related companies, casino project proponents say the project is just as important as ever—if not more—to local economic diversity.
And tribe members in northern Wisconsin are feeling the crunch from a tough economy too, Hunt said.
"This GM shutdown is going to create an even greater challenge for Beloit," Hunt said. "The tribes' needs are increased. We still believe in the project."
Construction would mean jobs for 1,500 workers, Hunt said. And the facility, once operational, would create 3,000 jobs, he said.
An operating casino requires more than the familiar "front of the house" service jobs, Hunt said.
"What you don't see are hundreds and hundreds of support jobs in the financial industry. It's almost like running a small city," Hunt said. "You have issues with workers compensation, personnel and safety. You need auditors and financial people. You need everything it takes to run a 24/7 restaurant. There are a wide variety of jobs with a wide variety of skill levels."
But how much can be banked on an 8-year-old referendum?
Everything, as far as Beloit City Council President James Van De Bogart is concerned.
"I took the position that I will take any votes necessary to affect the will of the 60 percent that voted in favor of the project," Van De Bogart said.
He admitted that a new referendum—not that he was advocating one—might show a different result.
But he can't imagine anyone would not be in favor of continuing to diversify Beloit's economy, said Van De Bogart, who has served on the city council since 2004 and was elected president this past spring.
"Any development would be a good thing in the sense that it provides employment," Van De Bogart said. "That would be good at any time … but certainly now."
Know when to fold 'em
After eight years, it's hard to know how long the tribes' patience will hold, Van De Bogart said.
"The coalition of the two tribes that have been pushing for this is a difficult one to hold together forever," Van De Bogart said. "The city is a willing partner with these folks, but if it's not going to go, it's not going to go. We'll walk away from it."
If the project doesn't move forward, the city will move forward without it, Van De Bogart said. The area meant for the casino is much more developable than it was eight years ago, he said. In fact, the Gateway Business Park didn't exist when voters approved the casino project.
The city's economic diversity also is greater than it was eight years ago, Van De Bogart said.
Granted, the city has put a lot of time and money into the project. But Van De Bogart said the city won't dwell on the failed efforts if the project doesn't move forward.
"We have invested a lot of staff time from the city manager and the council creating development agreements," Van De Bogart said. "There was a lot of time involved, certainly. If it doesn't go, there's disappointment. But some of the best hitters strike out six out of 10 times, and they're considered heroes.
"You're out there, you're trying to promote the community and promote economic development. Some projects go, and some don't."
CASINO TIMELINE
Beloit voters approved a casino project in November 2000. But eight years later, the project is sitting in Washington, D.C., still waiting for approval.
1999—Representatives from the city of Beloit approach the Bad River Chippewa tribe with an interest in building a casino.
November 2000—Sixty-one percent of Beloit voters say, "Yes," to a casino. Nearly 75 percent of the cities voters cast ballots in the election.
2001—The Bad River and the St. Croix Tribes formally entered into an intergovernmental agreement with the city of Beloit.
January 2007—The casino application goes to Washington, D.C., for approval. If approved by the feds, the application still would need final approval from Gov. Jim Doyle.
November 2007—A New York-based Mohawk tribe files suit against the federal government because no action has been taken on the tribe's application. At the time, the New York application is the only pending application filed before the Beloit project.
December 2007—The tribes involved in the Beloit casino project file suit to prevent a change in federal policy that makes it harder to get approval of off-reservation casinos.
January 2008—The Interior Department and Bureau of Indian Affairs announce a policy change that takes into consideration the distance between a casino and its home reservation. More than 20 applications are dismissed. Because the Beloit casino project is in litigation, it stays on the table.
October 2008—A federal judge dismisses the Beloit casino project's suit that seeks changes in federal policy. The Beloit group appeals the ruling.
November 2008—The Beloit application is one of six waiting for approval. The application waits approval from George Skabine, acting head of the Department of Indian Affairs, and from Dirk Kempthore, secretary of the interior. That cabinet position could change when a new president takes office, so casino proponents wait for election results.
If the application gets federal approval, Gov. Jim Doyle would have the final say on the project, and he has not indicated what he would decide.

Nov 25, 2008 at 10:08 p.m.
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FYI casino employees make well over what GM employees make. The average blackjack dealer makes roughly 70k a year. I know this as a fact.
Nov 5, 2008 at 7:42 p.m.
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I bet $100 that Briarmoon has to have her shed on Academy St. removed ! Any takers ??
Nov 5, 2008 at 6:22 p.m.
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id be really impressed if people wouldnt whine about everything. if you go to a casino youre an adult. so if you develope a gambling addiction its your own fault. Myself I love going to the casino once or twice a month and im tired of driving so darn far.
Nov 5, 2008 at 2:59 p.m.
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With all that capital, why don't the Indian Reservations invest in something that actually adds value to the economy, like making stuff. Invest that money to re-tool the GM plant and I'd be really impressed.
Nov 4, 2008 at 6:22 p.m.
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dogs_rule I hope something goes wrong and we don't get the casino .
Nov 3, 2008 at 11:16 p.m.
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If there are state line gamblers with problems they are already going to IL or Ho-Chunk. If they build it the only difference will be less fuel consumption and Rock County, Beloit and several townships will make good money. Even if jobs don't pay great, a lot of people will take and cherish them. The revenue will help the area to either do more for the citizens or lower taxes.
Nov 3, 2008 at 9:03 p.m.
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"Any development would be a good thing in the sense that it provides employment," Van De Bogart said. "That would be good at any time … but certainly now."
WRONG Mr Van De Bogart we don't need gambling in our city ,this will lead to larger problems better start GA meetings now.
Nov 3, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.
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For your information,anyone who gambles,should work at a casino,because an employee CAN NOT GAMBLE in an establishment that they work!! Maybe it would be GOOD therapy.
Nov 3, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.
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Getting any casino or gambling related project all comes down to which politicians you can greece. I can't believe the supporters of these projects have not figured this out. If you really want the thing, just have massive amounts of $$$ funneled to the prominent political figures involved in it. This is not rocket science. How do you think the Potawatamee, and all these major casino projects got approved?
Nov 3, 2008 at 5:17 p.m.
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dubuque actually is in the process of building a new casino rite next to where the boat is/was. i hate to say it cuz i think its more hypocrisy that uncle sam has no prob makin a dime or two off of gambling, which MOST DEF leads to addiction, but the boat was obviously financially beneficial enough to the city to justify a new casino. build it.
Nov 3, 2008 at 4:37 p.m.
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Take one trip to Atlantic City suburbs that are around the casinos there and people would never want a casino in their town. Ho Chunk is an exception, because there are other entertainment and economic draws to the area, which help keep that area from turning into a rats nest. A casino would be short term boost and then a long term drain on the local economy. In addition, it's not as though an Indian casino will do much more than hire from within their families and tribes. One trip to Ho Chunk will prove that point. Only a handful of locals would manage jobs there.
Nov 3, 2008 at 4:27 p.m.
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I don't think the big draw to the casino would be from the Janesville/Beloit area. There are already a few casinos within a short drive. The big draw is going to be from Illinois where inland casinos are illegal. I guess I'm not for or against the casino, but I think some of the issues being brought up are exaggerated a bit. Ho-Chunk hasn't exactly turned the Dells into a dump, it's helped do exactly the opposite.
Nov 3, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.
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onevoice - casinos pay very well for what they do, many dealers and other casino workers make more than $35k/year. I have a friend who is a teach who said he would take a job in the Beloit casino because it pays more than he makes as a teacher.
Nov 3, 2008 at 3:07 p.m.
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wish theyd just pass it and let them build the darn thing. Im tired of driving to milwaukee or baraboo to go to the casino. Well, not baraboo anymore, im tired of hearing the ho chunk nation whining that beloit is their native land. Well why didnt you want anything to do with beloit before another tribe wanted to build a casino?
Nov 3, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.
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Its basic economics folks. Casinos suck money out of a community, not the other way around. I lived in Iowa years ago when they debated to allow riverboat gambling. The promises they made about how many great hotels would be built and the endless jobs--well, to say the least, it didn't quite live up to the hype.
Things are getting better in Beloit. The don't need a casino, plain and simple.
Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.
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I meant: no new bars
Nov 3, 2008 at 2:24 p.m.
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I can't understand why the increased drain on social services due to gambling addiction, is an issue. Who are and why do you take a stand on that but say nothing about alcohol addictions. By what you say, you think now knew bars either? Another bar or another casino is not going to change addictions and their problems. A drunk will find his booze as will a gambler find his casino. An addict is born an addict. You or I will not change that. Look at the many economic benefits instead of negatives.
Nov 3, 2008 at 1:24 p.m.
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Gm workers would just gamble all their money away at the same place they worked. It would be paradise for most if not all GM workers to work at a casino
Nov 3, 2008 at 12:24 p.m.
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Bring on the blackjack!
Nov 3, 2008 at 11:43 a.m.
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I'm not an expert, but it's been my understanding that cities are always welcoming casinos because of the increased tax revenue, but that if you do a thourough analysis taking into account the increased drain on social services due to gambling addiction and the effects on the families, that the tax revenue is a net negative. Therefore cities shouldn't be too eager to invite casinos in, even if they don't care about the moral problems they bring.
Nov 3, 2008 at 11 a.m.
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I don't think that the part-time, barely over minimum wage jobs, would be ones that that the GM employees would be likely to pick up.
Nov 3, 2008 at 10:17 a.m.
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open the casino and all the GM people will have a chance at a job?????
Nov 3, 2008 at 10:17 a.m.
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Seeing a "child care" area included in the proposed map of the Casino just reinforces the concerns about this place.
I hope with the growth we've seen in the Beloit Industrial Park, we could all realize that there is a better way to "diversify" Beloit's economy. Better to continue encouraging growth involved in the production of worthwhile contributions to the area/country than the massive entertainment complex based on behavior that has such addictive, and potentially harmful characteristics.
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