Seabee, Obviously I may not have spelled it out in simple enough terms for you. All wages would go up, more taxes removed for government and more money moves and when cash flow moves so does the economy. Great idea about taxing stupidity as Bush would not even get a paycheck!! Never would any body running or holding office reach the Federal poverty level but it ceraintly would give great lifts to those working poor.

LOL Seabee!

Tallman, raising the minimum wage to $10 will not stimulate anything. It will hold wages down for those people not making minimum wage. Also, what good will raising the poverty rate do? I can see it now, here comes Obama/Clinton/McCain...Congratulations! You are now in poverty! Be sure to vote for me! SO, who we gonna tax to get all this aid you want spread around? The rich? Hah! Coroporations? Sure...that won't make prices go up, will it? It won't hurt the 53% of Americans that own stock in corporations either, will it? Oh wait, I know...Lets tax capital gains. That way, there will be less money available for re-investment and growth,(jobs). I'll bet if we taxed stupidity, we could pay down the national debt in a week.

I too feel sad for all those loosing jobs due to GM refusing to keep up with the ecological needs of humanity. We need the Federal financial poverty level raised to $20,000.00 per individual and on up by the number in a family. Raise the minimum wage to $10/hr so that those working poor can servive and continue to work. Raising the poverty level will afford them some economic relief while they still work. Those that choose not to work and have families get the aid anyhow so help the struggling workers. This would stimulate the economy far more than $600 which will only fill your gas tank a few times to get to work. If the state and federal representatives do not want to listen to you vote them out. Take charge of your government and tax dollars. Write your representatives and make demands GET WITH IT FOLKS THIS IS STILL OU COUNTRY!!!!!

NO COMMENT.FROM LSI.NOTHING NEW .WHAT A COMPANY.AND WHO CARES,ABOUT LAYOFFS, PRESIDENTS DONT.LSI IS NUMBER 16.GM IS NUMBER 1 AND GM IS TAKING ITS JOBS BACK FROM LSI.BEEN LIKE THAT WITH TNT ALSO .

I would say Jackson probably sells Amway

So Jackson, what do you do for a living? There aren't ANY jobs that are 100% secure.

Jackson, These "top wage earners" are also "top tax payers". Living high off the hog as you put it, also puts money into the economy. What do you consider "high off the hog"? And as far as college educations, many GM employees have them!!!! They chose to work here because the pay and benefits are better than they could get elsewhere. Don't worry about your tax dollars supporting me or my children.(If you even pay much in taxes, I doubt it.)I am financially secure. Having been an auto worker for 25 years, I learned to plan ahead amd not live beyond my means.So rest easy Jack, your little pitence you pay in taxes will not support me.I can't help but wonder how long tax dollars have been supporting you?!

I feel for poor children that have zero, and live on the street, I feel sorry, for people getting killed because of strange affairs. But I do not feel sorry for top wage earners that live high on the hog, and do not plan for the future. Let these boys hang!

unidentified, I feel the pain of the people that may loose their jobs. I wish you all well. Compassion is what makes people worth the breaths that they breath, not a degree. Jackson, I hope that someday you can find a way to be compassionate toward your fellow man. I will pray for you as well as the unemployed.

Jackson college degree does not guarantee employment. Granted, it would be helpful, but this community has been based mostly on manufacturing and the good medical benefits that came from it. I think most of us knew this was coming, but this time last year we were working Friday’s. In a matter of a year, maybe a year and a half, the bottom dropped out of the auto market, especially SUV’s. It’s hard to prepare for something that comes on so quickly. I’ve been attending school for a year and a half, but going part time while working full time is not easy. Even had I finished my degree, I would be looking at a substantial reduction in annual wages. In addition, my benefits and time off will not be nearly as good. That can be said for many of the GM workers and the people who worked for suppliers. College is fine if you are willing to work outside of Janesville. In town, there isn’t enough college oriented jobs to cover the several thousand that will end up losing jobs as a result of this shift elimination at GM. It’s the whole too many chiefs and not enough Indians scenario.

But those people started with L.S.I in 2001, and the other people started with L.S.I in 2004. That is why it is that way.

The people that stayed with LSI at the old building started for a new company also. The only difference is they get to use their CTI-TNT senority date and the people who were hired by LSI in 2004 don't. I don't think if you had been working in the same type job for 12 or 13 years you would enjoy loosing it to someone that has been doing it for only 5 or 6.

sadoneinjanesville
May 4, 2008 at 1:03 p.m.
Suggest removal Just a little information for you Chicagobulls70. The people that stayed at LSI are original CTI-TNT just like those that lost their seniority when LSI took over. The people that stayed at TNT have no problem with them. The problem came when people who were hired after LSI took over at the old building. I am sure if you had a seniority date of 1998 or earlier you wouldn't like it one bit if someone hired after that date was able to stay working and you had to lost your job. There are people that started in Edgerton that have 15 and 16 years who will loose their job to some who have start dates at LSI in 2000. So my friend put yourself in these people's place and realize you would not like the situation either.
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The only thing is those people that were hired in then started at L.S.I a totally different company from TNT, and as sad as it is, you ufortionately were hired a few years after them into L.S.I. Working for a totally different company isn't going to stop things like that from happening when you change to work for another company. But yes it's understandable how you feel, but that is how things work in this world.

Just a little information for you Chicagobulls70. The people that stayed at LSI are original CTI-TNT just like those that lost their seniority when LSI took over. The people that stayed at TNT have no problem with them. The problem came when people who were hired after LSI took over at the old building. I am sure if you had a seniority date of 1998 or earlier you wouldn't like it one bit if someone hired after that date was able to stay working and you had to lost your job. There are people that started in Edgerton that have 15 and 16 years who will loose their job to some who have start dates at LSI in 2000. So my friend put yourself in these people's place and realize you would not like the situation either.

Jackson--The USSR dissolved nearly 20 years ago. How about you crawl out from under your rock? And in addition to learning proper writing and grammatical skills, you could learn history, so when you go on tangents and show the world you have diarrhea of the mouth, you don't look like such a bafoon (from lazy Janesville, nonetheless!). :0

What do we live in the USSR, this is a free market people. I think the state should not get involved. These people made life chooses when they went to work there, and not college. Also they should have bank there money for a rainy day. Let them choke.

melstew47
May 4, 2008 at 1:56 a.m.
Suggest removal well i just hope the uaw gets these layed off employees all their vacation time paid out to them, and they are still waiting on the severance pay as former tnt employees, they are going to need this money, so they need to get this show on then road,so they are screwed again. a lsi employee told me yesterday, that all the linc employees that came there when lsi took over get to stay and the former tnt employees, who were there first are the ones getting layed off. how is that fair? it should be the other way around. my question is this a true statement? if it is, this is wrong.
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It's fair because TNT is not around and they stayed on with a new company called L.S.I.

Lets not forget the fact that most of those L.S.I employees with higher senority right now at L.S.I were also former TNT people, and also started in 1997 with CTI, and TNT just like you people. Not all but a considerable amount of you started in 1999 with TNT!!! In 2001 TNT lost their bid on 161 O and P Dock to L.S.I, So everyone had to make the same decision to stay on and become new L.S.I people. It's the same exact situation only it happend to those people first!!!!

jnsvlangel
May 4, 2008 at 8:55 a.m.
Suggest removal melstew47-yes it is true. When LSI came over all of their people got to keep their senority, while the TNT people had to start all over. That is why the TNT people are getting laid off.
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THERE IS A GOOD REASON FOR WHY TNT PEOPLE DIDN'T GET TO KEEP THEIR SENORITY!!!

The company TNT lost the bid for the contract to L.S.I when it was up around 2004. This means that GM has put it's business into a BRAND NEW COMPANY. That new company is L.S.I, and TNT left the area. Which means you TNT employees had no company to work for period. L.S.I decided to hire you on after that as new employees. Which means you former TNT people would of course have less senority!!! The only reason you TNT people think you are there before us is because they kept the same building for L.S.I, and hired you on then as new hires leaving you still in the building at the time of their taking over the building. They could have just kicked you out on the streets right there and then!!!! You could say they wouldn't have gotten off to a good start with their own people learning the jobs on day 1, but those jobs are very easy to pick up on. Lets not forget the fact that TNT people didn't have to put in for a job there, they could have went somwhere else if they didn't like the new situation!!! Think about it for a second!!! If Wendys went under and left their building, and Culvers took over the building with their own people, and then hired the ex-Wendys employees as new hires, then would they give ex-Wendys employees higher senority over their own Culvers people???? Nope, and this is exactly the same situation here with TNT and L.S.I. Also your not TNT anymore, you are lower senority L.S.I employees.

melstew47-yes it is true. When LSI came over all of their people got to keep their senority, while the TNT people had to start all over. That is why the TNT people are getting laid off.

OK, now what about the two years of UCB that the GM workers will be getting in addition to the SUB pay? Shouldn't the Governor step in and make sure ALL the laid off LSI/TNT employees qualify for two years of UCB as well? He should also make sure these employees get the vacation pay that is due to them. LSI has a history of not paying the employees their vacation pay, I'm still waiting for mine!

well i just hope the uaw gets these layed off employees all their vacation time paid out to them, and they are still waiting on the severance pay as former tnt employees, they are going to need this money, so they need to get this show on then road,so they are screwed again. a lsi employee told me yesterday, that all the linc employees that came there when lsi took over get to stay and the former tnt employees, who were there first are the ones getting layed off. how is that fair? it should be the other way around. my question is this a true statement? if it is, this is wrong.