Police arrest Screamin' MeeMees manager

But they were raising money for the bike tunnel...

FAIL!

hannah, good question. When you consider how many trees we've been using for paper and other things in the last 100 years (especially the last 50 years), the fact that we have more trees now than we did 100 years ago means that we are growing trees faster than we are using them.

I don't think the concern for trees comes directly from using them for paper and then not having enough of them to continue such usage. It's a matter of are we maintaining enough of them so that they can process the non-oxygen portion of the atmosphere into oxygen?

Maybe someone else can improve on this explanation.

gazettefan- not trying to agrue or be a tree hugger- but I am guessing there are more trees now than before BUT how many more do we use now vs in the past?

LMAO..
Can't Us tree huggers just get along??
LOL

His name was Espera DiCorti.

upnorthwi, no kidding on this:

That "Indian" ("Iron Eyes Cody") was no Indian. He was a full blooded Italian!!!

gaz...that was interesting, thanks. Now, the picture of the Indian with the tear really took me back a few years though!

lol

thekid..., whew! Good. The last thing I wanted was to get a tree thing going

gfan you assume i have a problem with the man in all aspects, and thats not true. ive posted before that i have an outside knowledge of a lot of subjects, but the ONLY thing i really know and believe in and pretty much the only thing ill discuss at length is....well you know;) i know about that subject because ive spent more than enough time reading BOTH SIDES, and more importantly LIVING both sides. any other subject, i may have an opinion but im always open to new info. i appreciate you getting that link. 40% fewer forests, not trees, billions of trees in urban areas. now i know more than i did a few minutes ago. muchas gracias

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:--B...

thekid..., if you're talking about the trees: Here is a site that states we have trees equal to 105% of the trees we had 400 years ago.

Spare me your attacks of THE MAN spreading propaganda spiel.

nurse: gfan wont tell you his sources for his data. gfan feels in a discussion, when asked a question, its actually the questioners responsibility to find the answer. weird i know. im not denying what gfan says is true, i really have no idea, but id like to know where to find that data. gfan??

nurse..., good, then the insulting comments will end. ;-)

My compassion extends to everyone, even you.

You're looking in the wrong place; just like when you're expressing your compassion.

Feel sorry for the children who are raised by whores, johns, and pimps.

And you got that data from where? Just curious, seeing as our farmland and woodlands are being destroyed, all in the name of civilization.

There are more trees in this country now then there was 100 years ago. Don't worry about the trees.

I agree that in the grand scheme of all things marijuana is a lesser evil..but they say it is a gateway drug and it is illegal..That's the facts in the USA. But it is used medicinally across America..so there is some good to this drug. It can also be used for paper..hey we can save the trees!!

we agree on something upnorth. i too think smoking and driving is a terrible idea. its a mind altering drug, i dont think its ok to risk others safety for ones enjoyment. im sorry if you took that out of my posts, cuz its no where near what i meant. i also agree with the fact that anyone who smokes in front of their kids is a scumbag because marijuana smoking is illegal. i do not believe however that ones a scumbag for drinking in front of their kids, even tho we ALL KNOW how easy it is for an 18 or 20 yr old to drink and drive and kill someone. all i preach, and im aware its annoying preaching sometimes;), but ALL i preach is that contrary to most peoples judgements, there are TONS of responsible smoker out there who DESERVE the rite to smoke. im the ignorant one for talking about it. others dont becaue it IS illegal and they risk uninformed people judging them or thinking they are something they arent for simply relaxing in their own home with a little pot. we're not the criminals. buenos noches:)

Hey have you ever seen that episode of "Roseanne" where they find an old stash of pot and they smoke it in the tub and Roseanne tells Dan that's why they got fat? LMAO

That is when I lol!

I guess you will never "get it". I don't think it is safe to operate a vehicle or any machinery while under the influence,that's where it is important to be in total control!!! But, many people have already tried to talk sense to you but you don't want to hear it. It's not leagal and I hope someday you and any other scumbag who deals or does this crap in front of kids gets caught.

'laughing at the dumbest stuff and reflexes just "a tad " delayed' 'paranoid and hungry'. wow. i guess i never looked at it from that perspective. thank you for opening my eyes to this demon weed.....lol

Is there anywhere online where someone can read a copy of the document which specifies the charges against Peterson and Halbach?

Yes, and once again, it was around 20+ years ago as a teenager.

and u know because you have been stoned. Right?

I've seen some people act pretty stupid after smoking pot. Laughing at the dumbest stuff and relflexes just "a tad " delayed. I smoked it as a teen, years ago, and it made me paranoid and hungry! I don't get why people like it. Once again, you cannot properly function to one's full capacity while stoned!!

It seems brothels are even having a hard time making money in this recession. http://www.channel3000.com/money/1674549...

"Who cares about a few neighbors who live in some crappy neighborhood by GM."
Have you been down there? There are some really nice houses and landscaping, and I find it offensive that you think that any neighborhood is crappy. What difference does it make if the houses are worth 60G or 600G? The people that live there are just the same as you, you judgmental bigot.

brainwashing is someone tellin you something over and over and you believing it, whether its true or not. i smoke marijuana over and over, thats not marijuana brainwashing me cuz i chose to do it, its me proving that marijuana is NOT the demon drug uncle sam has led us to believe. and for what its worth hannah, i referenced pot earlier when i was defending an individuals choice to take personal responsibility. ihavealife brought this convo up by sayin i show poor judgement cuz i smoke pot and have kids. my kids until they are legal adults will never see me smoke pot, much like they will never see me drink a beer, or smoke a cigarrette, or drink caffeine, or take aspirin, or pres meds. judge me if you want all you want, i will keep talking about this. i am a walking science experiment and PROOF that marijuana use, like alcohol use is ALL about the individual smoking it.

to clarify nurse4u: its medically legal in 12 states, but still illegal in ALL aspects in the hypocritical eyes of uncle sam(feds).

Marijuana IS legal is some states here in the U.S.A. It has GREAT medicinal properties.. Mayor LaGuardia NYC spent millions of dollars on research on marijuana..and presented it to Congress (saw this on the History Channel). The research showed many benefits to marijuana. I'm not saying go and smoke it, because it is ILLEGAL here in Wisconsin, BUT there are provinces in Canada, states here, and countries abroad that have made marijuana legal..

hannah yer ignorant. YOU EMAILED ME THE STORY, remember, or should you smoke some pot?? i average 3 times a day, my kids are with me half the time. you can do the math. how am i more ignorant or mouthy on here?? i talk about my lifestyle choices and defend it with knowledge and logic. i do link almost everything to pot smoke because i believe in it. hardcore i believe pot should be legal. i am willing to risk my freedom to get my point across if i must. there IS good that comes from pot, you cant deny that, if you do you are more ignorant than i gave you credit for. google marijuana and see if you get more positive links or negatives, i know what youll see. i never said there wasnt some negatives, or that its all good, marijuana is most def a mind altering drug but when used responsibly by responsible adults, ITS NO WORSE THAN YOUR LEGAL ALCOHOL THAT KILLS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE A YEAR.

I was wondering when kid was going to bring the pot thing up AGAIN. he seems to link all blogs into his potsmoking.

kid wrote" ive NEVER seen someone get more ignorant when high. ive NEVER seen someone get mouthy when high"

I have (YOU)and I am sure everone here can read!!!!

YOU have been brainwashed to say GOOD has come from smoking pot. and dont email me anymore of your articles. I will believe CNN over your pro pot garb!

kid you have always mentioned you do it about 3x a day. where are your kids then??

again as we have been round and round about -pot is illegal and so is prostitiion!!!!! Simple as that. until it is illegal then you can get back on your soap/conspiracy therories!!!

thekidd ......Brainwashed about pot.NOT !!! you see I also used to smoke(in the 70's)I can tell you that I did things when loaded that I would never of done straight.You say never in front of your kids ?? Do your kids live in the same house ?,do they ride in the same car ? Maybe your kids will have to take rocks to school someday for show and tell ! They find this real cool looking rock of dads "opps"..it's dads superstone !!! Explain that one to the local law.Adults can make choices for themselves,but you owe it to your kids to make the RIGHT choices !!

ihavealife. im not 'stoned' all the time, and NEVER with my kids. i understand why you would think i have poor judgement, really i do. we have been brainwashed to think nothing good can come from pot smoking. its ALL BAD. and thats just not the truth. its ALL on the individual and some smokers will be responsible, and some wont. i hope when my kids are rational thinking adults they chose pot over alcohol. ive NEVER seen someone get more ignorant when high. ive NEVER seen someone get mouthy when high. ive NEVER seen someone lose control of their thoughts or actions when high. go to any bar any nite and theres a more than good chance of seeing some drunk do any or all of those. if prostitution or smoking pot were legal and regulated like the alcohol/tobacco industry it would not be NEAR the negative on society that alcohol/tobacco currently are.

thekidd...Your poor judgement is...You have young children and you smoke pot !! Let me put it to you like this IT'S ILLEGAL !! What would you do if you got busted in front of your kids..The police take dad out in front of your kids and you think there will be no ill affects because it your RIGHT.You say that it is your RIGHT to smoke a little pot.You gave up that right when you had kids.It's your childrens RIGHT to have a law abiding parent that not stoned all the time.How come you havn't put up your myspace lately ?? Afraid too many people will see it ?

jfan..
This blog is now over..they arrested Halbach..
You can tune into that blog..

gfan YOU asked ME about the brothel and if i would move next to it. i assumed(my bad) you would comprehend that in your mythical story the brothel would have to be legal for it to even BE. you should be frugal with your time, i cant imagine how much time you spend cleaning that glass house you live in.

gazettefan, I never said to judge them in regards to anthing. What I said was you don't know the situation that led to the girls dancing..and who even knows if what happenned at Screemin's was in fact prostitution? There are loopholes in the laws that caused the girls to be arrested..
My main concern here is for the INJUSTICE that caused Randy to get arrested. I think it was very unfair.
All I am saying is we shouldn't judge others without knowing the EXACT situation. Obviousely, you were not there to know for SURE.
I don't think prostitution is morally right, but sometimes others may feel they don't have a choice. They may not have the benefits that others have.
In addition, not all men who women get pregnant by are abusive until AFTER they become pregnant. Reserach has shown this. Sometimes, women get trapped, and may see dancing as a quick way to support the kids and still be there for them.
Thank you, and have a good day.

thekid..., your original willingness to move next to a brothel while still with minor children did not include the provision that prostitution be legal.

But legal or not, prostitutes and johns are announcing to the world that they have given up. We have a responsibilty, especially to young people, to encourage healthy relationships that may or may not include sex. What message would be sent when a generation of young people are raised with the idea that sex is just something you pay cash for with no other human skills and characteristics involved?

Yes, personal respondsilbilty should rule the day. But individual humans create governments to assure that people with marginalized mentalities are not a bane to people with relatively healthy human personalities.

As for these ancillary political issues, I need to be frugal as to how much time I spend blogging. The other issues are not necessary here. Believing in abortion does not run contrary to being opposed to prostitution. Countless generations have proved that you can't always get what you want, and only sometimes you get what you need (even a bunch of goofs like the Rolling Stones know that). Human created governments try to moderate all this.

thank you for finally actually answering one of my questions;) i compared pouring concrete to prostitution because both will wreck your body. in your hypothetical world, for me to be able to move next to a brothel, said brothel would be legal, in which case the authorities wont care if i live there with my kids or not. lets see if youll answer a 2nd quesion. on the 'obama the prez woman want' thread the topic about abortion came up and you said like sassy you are 'all for personal responsibility'. where is the line gfan?? a woman can be personally responsible and have an abortion but she cant sell herself?? shouldnt i have the option to take personal responsibility and smoke some pot if you can take personal responsibility and drink alcohol?? or is it that you are 'all for personal responsibility' only when and only if it is what you believe in??

thekid..., answering your question: Even if legal, I would negatively judge the men and women involved because it runs contrary to healthy human nature.

You compare pouring concrete with prostitution. We probably agree on the problems of pouring concrete for a living. What would be the downside of being a prostitute?

Poor judgement: Having minor children and willing to move next door to a brothel.

gfan, again not answering my point blank question. ill try another. how am i 'exhibiting pour judgement'??

thekid..., why would the authorities who have some control re: your contact with your children view your recent posts here in a negative light?

Would it be because you are exhibiting poor judgement? or would it support your belief that a tyranny rules this country?

Just because I do or do not believe in the Bible does not mean I have to force my moral beliefs on someone else. Freedom from religion. What do I care if someone pays for sex. As long as it is behind closed doors, I don't have to see it. No one is hurt, so I don't see a problem. Bars and alcohol create lots of problems, but they are legal.

to say there is something wrong with the world today is a pretty broad statement. i acknowledged it has flaws, but those are details, not the implied broad scope of things. would i change details within the world, absolutely, but when i compare my world to the world of those living in iraq, or china, or darfur, or south africa, there is NOTHING wrong with it. and you are 110% correct upnorthwi, the fact i see the world this way, absolutely says something about who i am.

WOW, to see nothing wrong with the way the world is today really says a lot about someone! There are no morals, "everyone" thinks pot/drugs are ok, America is in sad shape, people are not like they were even 30 years ago as far as friendliness etc., and the list goes on and on. To think prostitution is ok is just crazy!! Doesn't ANYONE believe in the Bible or try to lead God fearing lives anymore? I'm dumbfounded on this whole blog.

JCK: good point. let me rephrase. legal/regulated prostitution is victimless. how often do you think that stuff you listed happens at the bunny ranch in vegas?? the act of prostitution itself is victimless. obviously if another crime occurs during the act there is a victim.

i dont understand ihavealife. are you saying the world is the way it is today because of strip bars and people who think its ok to smoke pot?? i guess we all have our perspectives. i for one dont see much wrong with the world we live in today. it has flaws, but would you prefer to be somewhere else?? my perspective is if theres something wrong with the world we live in today it has a lot more to do with people who think its ok to pass judgement on someone for doing/smoking something that IN NO WAY affects them and ONLY affects the individual.

I have a hard time calling what is happening a SM prostitution. However would you all please stop refering to prostitution as a victimless crime because research proves that you don't know what you're talking about. If you want to call lap dances and stripping victimless fine but prositution is not victimless. Ironically the main victims of prostitution are the prostitutes themselves. They are raped, physically assaulted and assaulted with weapons just to name a few.

gazettefan....I wonder what we can do today ?? How do you feel about parents that think it's okay to smoke pot ? I for one think it's VERY irresponsible.It clouds a persons way of thinking and what is that parent showing/teaching the child ? Maybe all of this is why we have the world we have today . Maybe thekidd needs to think about that !

why?? i hope they are successful with their minds and not their bodies. im not ok with them pouring concrete for a lifetime cuz ive seen what it can do to your body. that doesnt make pouring concrete wrong, or mean im repulsed by it. i am not repulsed by prostitution. ive never said i was. if it was legal it would be cleaner and taxed. how come any convo with you ends up with you judging me?? did i say somewhere im ok with someone elses kids doing something that im not ok with my kids doing?? or are you spinning what i actually said?? i will respect your kids and hope for the same happiness for them that i hope for my own kids. i LOVE mine, thats the only difference. ive answered your ???'s gfan, so riddle me this....if prostitution were legal would you still judge these girls for making a living??

".....[prostitution is] not something that i would want, or chose for them....."

Why?

Why did the nature of prostitution have to be placed so close to your life for you to begin to feel the appropriate revulsion?

Why doesn't this disapproval extend to the children of others? You're coming off as an elitist, which is inconsistent with your professed politcal bent. Are you an elitist?

i dont know about 'everything', but i do believe that if you live a negative life, negative things will happen. i care more about good karma. live a positive life and positive things will keep happening. everything i hear about the halbachs from people posting who KNOW them, say good things about these people. they pay, or help pay for the fire works and people keep saying the other businesses they run are respectable business. the karma, in my view, is that the city denied the liquor license and got something 'worse' and now the halbachs will end up getting a liquor license anyways. as for my children being prostitutes when they grow up.....its not something that i would want, or chose for them, but i would not chastise or 'judge' them for it any more than i would for ANY lifestyle choice they make. my kids will have more/better options because of who their parents are and how we live our lives. not everyone is afforded that luxury. some of these girls may be trashy, but theres also a large part who are really just using their 'assets' to earn a living. how do you judge that?? how do you think you have a right to judge that?? their are good and bad prostitutes in EVERY business......

The ideal of karma allows that everything bad that happens to a person is deserved. Do you feel that you deserved every bad thing that has happened to you -as a consequence of something you've done wrong?

And I hope you understood that when you said you'd be willing to live next door to a brothel that my next question would be: Would it be OK for your children to grow to be prostitutes? If not, why not?

without a doubt it would be ok gfan. i would buy a house next to a brothel, or strip club. i would educate my kids on what it is an why people go there, unlike most who would use 'scare' tactics to tell their kids about the 'shady' people who go there or work there and the 'evils' that go on in there. if there are girls/guys willing to sell themselves who am i or anyone to judge them. they are responsible for themselves and if it opened in my neighborhood that means its either a) LEGAL, or 2) im livin in amsterdam(mmmmmmmm). either way the prostitution has NOTHING to do with me or my life. why i should stay away from the karma thing??

I think Bill Clinton was quite clear as to what "is" and what "is not" a sex act. Let them all off with warnings and get after the gang problem.

thekid..., would it be OK for the city to rezone your neighborhood for prostitution so that a brothel can open for business next to your house? If not, why not?

Also: You might want to stay away from that karma thing.

The nurse is absolutely right about girls working to earn money to fight for custody of their children. They just need to stay clear of any congressmen named "Dilbeck".

even if this 'prostitution' went all the way its still a VICTIMLESS crime. he wants it. he has cash. she wants to sell it. you haters blog all the time about how this city wastes money on bike trails an whatnot. yet you blindly support ignorant laws that arrest people for acts that ONLY affect those involved. the halbachs took the proper steps to open a LEGITIMATE business, and we're spending tax payers money sending police in undercover, investigating FOR OVER A YEAR. my guess is by the time this is all done that between the cops, the DA, and the judge, we could have built that underpass for the trail. the BEST part of all this is that karma will more than likely work out and the halbachs will get their liquor license and close down the strip club....which would have saved a lot of time and money if they city had just given it to them in the first place.....

nurse4u, OK, don't judge prostitutes until we've made bad decisions like marrying someone who's a jerk and won't support the kids and then become a prostitute.

People in this situation, like single moms, should be given a free pass when it comes to commiting prostitution. They should not be required to make better decisions and find other kinds of employment. The harmful effects on children and others finding out that mom is prostitute should be ignored.

Women who have sex with men after being bought drinks are prostitutes -it's not a courting ritual. (Apparently even a woman can be a mysoginist, nurse4u.)

Finally, at the end of your post: On the plus side, you are seeing that this experience might turn these women and men in more positive directions.

boy their mug shots are hard on the eyes

I have read the whole blog here.. I also know ALOT more about this situation then alot of you here..
"DO NOT JUDGE UNTIL YOU WALK A MILE IN THEIR SHOES (or in this case Stilleto heels).."
Some of those girls that work there are single moms who are paying for lawyers to get child support and/or put food on their tables and pay bills, others go to school and use it to pay for their tuition, still others just like the thrill of going shopping..many of these girls are NORMAL girls..just trying to make it..No one knows their True situations.

Prostitution?? The week that the three girls from MILWAUKEE were committing their "acts" & were later arrested, Randy was on vacation. He also not only DJs, bounces, serve drinks, check IDs, cleans, he was expected to keep an eye on a blurry screen AT ALL TIMES..and he is arrested for a felony- keeping a house of prostitution?? Many girls have told me that Randy ALWAYS threw out guys that got too grabby..Maybe he should have cloned himself..then he could have done EVERYTHING!! the other girls that were arrested for prostutition, those were just loopholes in the law..
I feel for all those girls and for Randy..
I don't judge, IF prostitution went on, then I hope the girls that were involved know that they made mistakes, but they can come back from those mistakes. I agree with many on this board..girls can go to bars and have men buy them shots after shots, and go home together and that's ok..but give a girl money so that she can buy food for her kids..well that's just plain WRONG!

so when are they gonna shut down the tobacco store on east milwaukee because they sell pipes that are clearly for marijuana use....

same thing? no... discuss.

I've been saying that for years.

Just as legal definitions sometimes have no correlation to the common definition...
common sense sometimes has no correlation to the populace.

a lap dance is not prostitution despite what the rediculous open ended legal definition state. It is obvious to me that the vague code is nothing more than an excuse for the city to finally erase Hallhack.

Your comparing apples to oranges. A lap dance and actual intercourse are not even remotely comparable. This all assumes there was not oral sex occuring at the premise, if so, I take back my words.

So is everyone who visits a strip club a "John"? Thats a pretty toxic word to describe innocent people who just stop by a juise bar on a night out with friends.

We are talking about prostitution and not those other things.

As for "who am I to decide...shameful...etc.": I'm tied with you for having that right.

The certain kinds of "colorful" people you are talking about are only colorful in movies and literature; or if in real life, only colorful at a distance. Again, would you see a family member who is a prostitute as colorful? I doubt it. That's the reality of it: What is it really like to be a prostitute or what is it like to have a friend or a family member who is one, or to have a whorehouse in your neighborhood?

"And women should make money in ways that wouldn't shame their children, spouses, siblings, parents, and friends."

who are you to decide what is shameful and what is not? Should the garbage man quit his job for fear of shame? Should the janitor no longer plunge the toilets for looking shameful? Everyone on this earth has a respective job that must be filled. Even a "exotic dancer". Only a true prostitute should be judged. Point being who are you to cast the first stone? Should we all be laywers and police? Society needs all sorts of colorful careers to keep it afloat. Without criminals we would have no need for police, without exotic dancers men might try living out their sexual fantasies in an illegal manner. Each career serves a unique productive societal purpose, regardless of your zealous choice of ethics.

Ratta-tat-tat.

gazettefan...Just too funny for me,I'm off to sleep.....If I can stop laughing !

ihavealife, I know!!! I'm trying to watch a movie on DVD and during every alcohol break it's all this!!!

I'm only talking about the prostitution part of it all.

I should call Vegas authorities?! I can't even get people to listen to me on this blog. By the way, it's no accident that in Nevada whorehouses have to be way out in bum_____, that goes to the neighborhood thing I've been getting at.

No, I don't live in that neighborhood but I feel for them: I have people from Footville living next door.

My stance here comes from the fact that johns should have sexual relationships in the usual way: personality and appeal. And women should make money in ways that wouldn't shame their children, spouses, siblings, parents, and friends.

gazettefan...Ok lets be fair about this ....I'll share, OMG and to think this started out nice and now look whats happened.lol

For you budding archivists out there, you can save this blog in tact by clicking on "File" and saving it as a document.

Oh, good, an economist chimes in. At least you're not a lawyer!

wrong its about the loss of yet another business in Janesville causing yet even more local citizens to become unemployed, regardless of their career choice.

ihavealife, what's the problem? you're the one who first mentioned the word "lawyer"!!!

No one here said they'd buy a house near a strip club. The closest thing to that was a downplaying of what a strip club or a whore house would do to a neighborhood. This downplaying totally misses the point as to why humans have overwhelming rejected prostitution since civilization began. Prostitution hangs around like murder hangs around; the persistance of these two things is not an endorsement.

The negatives of the neighborhood are made much worse by having SM there. How can anyone argue this point?!

Again, it's not lap dancing we're talking about.

Supply and demand? The demand is eternally that prostitution not be permitted.

hiii98 - no offense but not every issue in this city ties back to the GM closing... this is about meemee's not gm... that a whole other blog buddy! :)

gazettefan...OMG !!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ????? 4 sure im on the floor with this one ! Where do some people come up with this stuff ?

Better read some of these comments quickly. By morning, they will be removed ...

Gazettefan-IMO there are several people(just from this blog alone) that would attest that they would buy a property near a strip club... as far as Meemee's it's not that the properties down there are by a "whorehouse" or so you put it, that make them hard to sell, it's that they are in a lower scale, run down part of town. Not to offend anyone that lives down there, but sorry, that's the truth... And remember, not everyone considers a lap dance evidence of a bad quality of life... some people might actually enjoy stuff like that... in fact there are MANY people that do, otherwise there wouldn't be as many strip clubs in this country as there are... it's not a lack of quality of life, it's supply and demand!!!!

Gazettefan...How did this just happen ? All I know for sure is you can handle this, you have/do make sense on alot of issues on here. I'll check back later.I didn't mean to insult you by the way.LMAO

What the ......!!!

"Don't you think the people in that neighborhood will be happier and living better lives once SM is closed? I see it as a quality of life issue."

What about the lives of the 50 plus employees who will now be losing a job? Who cares about a few neighbors who live in some crappy neighborhood by GM. The real devistation is to the lives of all the employees who lost their jobs as a result of this, both guilty and innocent. Living in some 60,000 shack and you think the strip club is number one on their list of complaints?? lol. As if Janesville has not lost enough jobs already with GM across the street closing, Lear, Gillman, and now Meemees.

Besides i'm fairly sure gazettefan is really a biased cop and not a concerned citizen IMO.

The city finally got revenge for all the crap Hallback pulled with turning his lost bar into a stip club juice bar in bold face of the city counsul and police. The investigation has nothing to do with a concerned employee, lol...

prinny68, picture your house next to a whorehouse while you're trying to sell it.

ihavealife, see? you're wrong: it's JohnDoe who's the lawyer!!!

Gazettefan- tell me what negative effectives the neighborhood has suffered from that strip club being there... REAL actual negative effects... Are the strippers standing outside enticing children? Are they trying to perform acts on people out on the street... are they defaming the reputation of the homeowners around it? Honestly... If they wanted to put a strip club near my house I wouldn't care, because you know what? If I didn't like it, I wouldn't go in/to it. And as far as arresting people for prostitution, the stories previous to this had a lot of talk about defining what an actual "sex act" entitled. They were talking about one body part(non-sexual) rubbing against another body-part, being defined as a sex act, in which case every strip club in america should be shut down immediately!... and yes JNR is right... go into any bar in this city and you could put half of the guy on girl and girl on girl displays of affection up on that strip club stage and Halbach could probably make more money than with his dancers! This is everywhere you go... I'm not saying ignore it, but come on... the extent it's going to now? Seriously... this is where my tax dollars are going???

""Allegedly" no longer applies for the ones who pled guilty."
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Sure it does, unless you know for a fact that that was the specific act that was the focus of the plea.
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Again, we're talking about prostitution, not some other kind of zoning.

"Allegedly" no longer applies for the ones who pled guilty.

And as many in other neighborhoods would attest, if it were that simple, the zoning in Janesville would have a decidedly different flavor.

"Allow?"...like I said, it's not that simple.
If my "allowance" was all that was necessary, much of the fodder for these blogs would be eliminated.

ihavealife, you'd wrong with the "yes".

My point was that the government doesn't always get what it wants, because the people want something else. You concede that the people get what it wants at least some of the time.

I said you resorted to an insult, I didn't say I was insulted.

On point: If the government announced that your neigborhood was going to be rezoned for prostitution, you and your neighbors would allow that to happen?

I think I am going to give my husband a lap dance, and I am even going to make him pay me.....there goes the neighborhood, LMAO

Talk about not answering the question....

gazettefan.. I'm going to take that as a yes !

Sometimes I find it rather quaint.

By the way, if you think I insulted you, you are rather thin skinned.
Naive is not necessarily a bad thing.

Are you really saying that what the neighborhood wants, the neighborhood gets?
What percentage of the time?
In my experience, Bob Uecker had a better batting percentage than the citizens of Janesville.

Oh I understand the meaning quite well, there is plenty of sarcasm in that last post. I just find it quite funny of the things we will put up with as long as no money is involved but as soon as money is involved we start crying about it. What is the difference, money involved or no money involved, it's all the same and people should just get over it already....if you dont want to give lap dances for a fee, then don't. If you want to give them for free, then do. Do what you do, say what you need to say....but all the judgmental things that go hand in hand just dont make any sense to me.....sorry

JohnDoe, you resorted to an insult instead of responding in detail.

Do you really think the government can't be controlled by the people?

Jim Halbach showed the City of Janesville how their' own politics works. Much to Paul Williams' chagrin.

JNR, you seem to have it right, but at the same time fail to understand your own meaning.

Or am I missing the sarcasm?

Your' naivete is showing.

ihavealife, a lawyer!!! Don't you know it's impolite to insult a stranger!!! ;-)

JohnDoe, you and your neighbors would just sit by and let the city rezone your neighborhood for prostitution? I don't believe it. The people rise up angry and oppose abominations imposed by governments. That's how this country started. We are Americans!

Let's see.....lap dances are legal as long as both parties consent and no money is involved. Sex is legal as long as both parties are of age, consent, and no money is involved. Sooooo....every night in Janesville, WI we have men picking up women at the local tavern that they have never met, take them home and both parties consent to having sex with each other (maybe she even gives him a lap dance)no problem here folks as far as the law is concerned cuz no money has exchanged hands and any two people can do what they like with each other. BUT......money exchanges hands and all of the sudden we are screaming prostitution and blah blah blah.....gee there are lap dances going on in every bar in janesville on any given night and I have not once heard one single complaint about it. Your neighbor may be bringing home a different women every night of the week and that is okay????? If money wasnt involved we wouldnt even be discussing this......so I wonder what is it really about? All college kids would be in prison if they had to answer for all that goes on in those dorm rooms.....lmao

gazettefan...Opps,You are right it was a employee that made the call on the first 3 arrested.Those are the ones that the charges have not been dismissed.Again I don't agree with what these girls have done,but do you really think by some (not all) brushing up against a man is really prostitution ? You don't have to answer this..are you or have you been a lawyer? You made a comment once that made me believe you were !

If you didn't know it already, it's not up to you or your neighbors to "allow" or not "allow" specific zoning.
Just ask the multitude of Janesville and Rock County residents who have had zoning changes enacted without their "permission."
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If my "allowance" was all that was necessary, life would be much better.
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Quite often what goes on at Screemin Meemies is much better than what goes on at City Hall.