Bring back "Who Cares" bar!!

I think I remember reading your post now. I never heard anything bad about the bar that used to called Zachow's, now Zoxxy411, I think.

Thanks

To gazettefan:
My comment was in response to accountingguy (whose comment was also removed).
He stated that [sic] he wished "The bar down the steet (from screemin) would get shut down due to illegal activity"...he later refered to the "bar/hotel" ...;
SO....
I replied that there are 5 taverns "down the street" from screemin and that if he was going to imply any illegal activity he should name bar he was referring to. (Yes I named the bar because to me his comment implied that all the bars "down the street" from screemin are bad) So within ....mmm....say 7 minutes, both our comments were removed.

Wow, would anyone like to email me and let me know what janesvillegirl23 said?

Maybe janesvillegirl23 can.

madman...., there was no reasonable doubt in the OJ case. You either failed to learn all the facts of the case or you learned them and allowed your inability to understand the meaning of "reasonable doubt" as it pertains to the legal system to cloud your thinking. Reasonable doubt doesn't mean any kind of doubt; it means the evidence and testimony presented leaves enough room to doubt the evidence and testimony that points toward guilt.

You should be concerned about the true meaning of YOUR reasonable doubt and your unwillingness to pass judgement re: the OJ case. When the jury came to its wrong conclusion it, in effect, found the two murder victims guilty of offenses deserving of their execution. The jury came to this verdict without the benefit of an investigation and a legal process. This is the sort of improper judgment you should be railing-out against. (That your thoughts have "no effect on the outcome" is a non-sequitur.)

(OJ was found responsible for the two deaths in a civil trial.)

If you haven't seen the concrete proof in the Meemies case, it's because either you didn't read those stories or you failed to comprehend what was stated in those stories. I will not debate the facts of the matter while you maintain this stance. I will only address your unwillingness or your inability to apply clear thinking to the matter.

Again, whether he has yet to be convicted, and even if he's never convicted, doesn't mean he didn't do it. "Not guilty" is a legal determination that prevents the legal system from punishing someone. "Not guilty" doesn't mean he didn't do it. There is no legal determination of "Innocent."

Your Clinton quote works against you. You've looked hard to find reasons for people not to pass judgment here. Once again you confuse the kind of judgment going on here with the kind of judgment that takes place in a courtroom. Do you live in a world where people aren't judging other people all the time? I doubt it. You are judging people here. Make a better effort to approach clear thinking when it comes to judging others. It's all we can do.

i think most people would be more likely to turn themselves in if NOT guilty.

I guess this means the city has an extra adult entertainment license that can be had! I hope all the jobless go getters know about this. One of them could get it and hire all the ladies from GM. To help the economy of course

G-Fan...sorry it took a while...life gets in the way...

...I should have said about OJ that I don't have an opinion that I feel I have to share/pass along/argue for/whatever. The fact is that there WAS reasonable doubt and my opinion on the subject had/has no effect on the outcome.

And I said "railroad job" because, just like Bill Clinton, if you look long enough for something, chances are, you'll find what you want.

And I still haven't seen the "concrete proof" that prostitution was going on there. What proof has been published that I missed? Having enough evidence for an arrest is NOT enough for a conviction.

Which brngs me back to my first point, which was that since he HASN'T been convicted, let's hold off on buying the rope to hang him with. No more and no less than that, just to wait for facts to come out at trial.

OneLife...

...Are you saying that just because since there are 13 charges instead of 2 (and that's just a number I grabbed out of the air) that it makes it more clear that he's guilty? Whatever happened to the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty?

Oh...and as to if my daughter worked there, can't say for certain, as I don't have a daughter, but I do have a niece that worked at the Bare Chest for many years to support her family...no she did what she did without making excuses and hel her head high...should I do less?

As I was trying to say from the begining of this, it's not our job to judge. Nor is it to hang him before or after trial...that's the job of the courts and the jury.

mymaro, I think that even if he hadn't turned himself in, that it wouldn't have taken JPD that long to find him... both he and his wife are high profile individuals in the area... someone would've cooperated with the police in turning them in... why would you want to take a chance of aiding and abedding someone that is wanted?? that right there is a felony charge of which you're looking at up to 10 years and/or a $25,000 fine if I'm not mistaken...

If you think we need a bigger and better place, invest your money and take the risk. The Halbach's are now discovering how expensive the risk they took can be in this line of business, both monetarily and legally.

Somebody thought my comment was whack so they gave it a crack but I'll get back on track and try not to sound like a sad sack that just left the shack. It's not cool to have a knack for talking too much smack and that's a fact Jack.

I respect their freedom of choice too. Doesn't make it right though. In my opinion, this community should be encouraging women to rise above being playthings for sad little boys (or girls) who have to pay for it. But that's just my opinion.

I thought it was a spelling problem.

I sincerely apologize from the bottom of my heart to anyone who found my previous comment to my previous comment (yeah I said it twice) to risque to print. It is my honest hope that I can better control my words to intelligently and effectively state my point without using any humor whatsoever.

I'm glad you finally see things my way gfan. I knew you'd come around some day.

I respect their FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

Yes, RoadKing, crack is whack!!!

When reading all these comments, I definitely get my thoughts straight about how I feel.

Basically, it comes down to the fact that we are mere mortals and, surprise surprise, are not the final judge of things.

True enough, this is America where we can always rely on the Freedom of Speech. But, as human kind, it is only respectful to show respect to each others' comments.

Way to respect the women of your family, let alone your community.

Spunky-again I don't care what people do as long as they don't hurt anyone else by their actions. If anyone from my family, even my dead grandmas, wanted to be stripper and grind on guys or ladies for money then so be it. If properly regulated by the health department, I wouldn't a problem with them being prostites. But now, since thats not the case I wouldn't want them be that.

Their web site, their rules. Anyone can start a website, therefore the gazette cannot censor anyone, but they can control the content of their website. If people want to write obscenities, there are plenty of forums on which they may do so.
Only the government has the power to censor and it is restrained by law from doing so.

Censorship is wrong....that being said...being able to agree to disagree is important....state your case and debate civilly jmo...peace don't be hatin'

Nevermore

nurse4u:
Sweetman has joined the ranks of the deleted users for crimes both foul and numerous (too offensive for the gazette's tastes). He joins such notables as pizzaman, garyprimers (not to be confused with garyprimer which was probably the purpose of that choice of username) and a few others whose names shall live in infamy.
The GazetteXtra should add this line to their list of warnings at the bottom of the page. ”Abandon hope, all ye that comment here with obscenity an extreme disrespect.”

What sickness are you referring to nurse?..the ones who think Sreemin Meemees was ok or a self deprecating establishment where sinful things were taking place?...It was a rash that finally has gone away..jmo..peace don't be hatin'

Is there a doctor in the house?
Because with all this SICKNESS in here..is there a vaccine for that?
(P.S. Are you reading Edgar Allen Poe again?)

Strip Joints, like skunks, are more than just objectionable, they are unhealthy. When a skunk is removed from our community, we are relieved, not because the skunk is a criminal, but because it is sickening, which happens to be the same effect of a strip joint on a community. Those who patronize such a place or work there are themselves made sickened by the experience, a sickening of the soul. But unlike the skunk's sickening smell, those sickened by their experiences at a strip club are allured by its appeal to the baser instincts and seduced by the proposition that people, the strippers, are objects meant for the gratification of the patrons and that they are for sale. They then very often transfer that premise to other people, their wives, or girlfriends, or their next date, who are not offering themselves as playthings but who may be treated with such inconsideration just the same, sometimes to the point of abuse. Some afflicted with this sickness never recover from it. And those who are afflicted with this kind of sickness before having set foot within a strip joint are attracted to such places as a moth to a flame.
Anytime one of these establishments is shut down is an occasion for celebration.

I know this is off the sunject but what happenned to sweetman6969's posts?

Its like they were here and then they were gone..kidd did u put some of your stash in the brownies again? J/K

Exactly! Thanks. I agree wholeheartedly...jmo..peace.

madman....., my point is that OJ wasn't convicted of anything, but how can anyone argue he didn't do it (twice)? You had "no opinion" before and after the trial?! You didn't have all the information?! c'mon! If true, you'd be the most unusual person alive.

It smells like a railroad job?! and it doesn't smell like a brothel?!

It comes down this: The concrete proof that prostitution was going on there is overwhelming. The claim that it's a railroad job is without substance. If it were a railroad job, it would be a conspiracy of such size that concrete proof of it would have surfaced by now. There is no proof. It's rationalization: a weird defence of prostituion and pimpery.

Brothel or railroad job? Which one would you choose if you had something valuble at stake?

Craigandthem -
Close your eyes. Picture your mother/sister/wife/girlfriend/daughter/aunt/grandmother gyrating on the lap of some strange man who thinks of her as nothing more than a toy he paid to play with. Still feel the same way?

This is not good news, last thing Janesville needs is more people out of work.

Hey Madman, if you leave yourself wide open enough to have "rack em up" charges added, I don't feel bad for you..Don't do the crime if you can't do the time..answer my question about How would you feel if that was your daughter or a family member up there...Proud or ashamed..and yes people I know paid for sex there..jmo...peace..I agree to disagree Madman..

Smelling bad may be in poor taste, but it isn't against the law. Nor was running a strip joint.

Prostitution is against the law and if guilty, I hope he is sentenced appropriately. Until then, give the law the chance to do what it's supposed to do.

As I don't know the Halbachs or their laywer, I don't know if they are fishing for a plea or not. Not going to guess if they are or not, either...same reason...not enough information.

You don't need a jury to tell you that a skunk smells bad. You may need a jury to tell you that a skunk broke the law but not that he stinks up the place. We all have noses and we can judge the quality of its odor for ourselves.
Doesn't the fact that the license was voluntarily given up tell us something? It tells me that the Halbach's are trawling for a plea bargain. That's not a judgment, that's an opinion, even if it is based on incomplete evidence, and is subject to change when more evidence is forthcoming.

Onelife...

...haven't you every heard the term "rack 'em up" charges? They are extra charges that the DA will add to an indictment, so that s/he can throw a few out here and there and plea some of the off, but still get a conviction.

And unless YOU yourself have seen and witnessed what you are alluding to happening there, it's heresay and means nothing.

All I can say as to the drinking juice, yes, I've sat in a strip joint, drinking soda and just enjoyed the show. I never once said that nothing else was going on there, just that the owner hasn't been convicted. And yet, many people here in this forum are ready to go get a rope to hang the guy.

My mother-in-law actually said that the police wouldn't have made an arrest unless he was guilty. PLEASE don't tell me that you think that also? That is for the jury to decide.

Hopefully all of you defenders of Screanin Meemee's will have daughters that work in such establishments...They are exploited for money...a 19 year old girl only sees the dollar signs and not the consequences of such actions...their reputations and self esteem...keep this crap out of Janesville..jmo....peace

Ok, he has not been convicted..but 13 charges?...It was a strip club. Duh...I work construction on the side and have heard some of my co-workers talk of plenty of other activities going on there besides drinking juice and watch 19 year old girls dance naked...please. Remember the spa that was raided a couple of years back?...it happens and I'm betting it did happen at Scr, Meemies....After the trial I look forward to your opinion then..jmo..peace

G_fan...

...OJ wasn't convicted of killing his wife and her (maybe) boyfriend...and I don't recall anyone in this line of comments saying anything about OJ.

Right or wrong, the court and the jury spoke. I had no opinion before of after the trial because, just like in this case, I don't have all the information.

And I don't have an opinion about the criminal aspects of this...ummm...stuff. I do have an opinion about what seems to be a railroad job that was done to close the business and just happened to involve criminal charges.

I don't KNOW that it was a railroad, but it smells like one.

if the young girls choose to be a stripper then young girls arent be exploited. who cares what other people do as work or how they spend their money, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else? people need to worry less about other people's lives and more about themselves.

Onelife...

...it's "sin money" in your opinion, but that still doesn't mean that he's been convicted.

And as to the married guys going there...are you saying that any married guy that goes there will do something "wrong"? Well, the last time I went to a strip joint, my wife went with me and we had a great time.

Oh...and you still haven't said whethere he's been convicted or not.

What was OJ convicted of?

Alot of sin money....married guys going there, young girls be exploited, the owner making his retirement money, it was an embarrassment to this resident of janesville, and I am a single 43 year old male....I always said of strippers....their mothers must be so proud.

As a GM employee, many of us did not patron the hole known as Sreamin Meemmies....and remember the commercials....thank god my daughter won't have to see them on tv anymore...no sympathy here for any of the employees, owner, or patrons of such an establishment...jmo....peace

Spunkmeyer...

...the question is still what has he been CONVICTED of?

I know it was a strip joint...I've been to my share of them around the world, but the question is still and will be for a while...what has he been CONVICTED of?

That was totally not appropriate about taking it to Beloit. Despite the popular beliefs in Janesville, Beloit has good qualities. Please take the time to find them out.

It was a strip joint. What do you think they were doing there? Conducting bible study meetings over cookies and milk? If a man has to demean women in order to make a buck, he's not a businessman, he's a pimp.

Just one question here, Folks...

Has Jim Halbach been convicted of ANYTHING at this point? No?

Then let's wait for the courts do its job

Wonder if this will bring an increase in street-level prostitution?

Amen to that! Let's keep our city respectable and clean!

A John Updike fan?

Oh, and how could I forget the Beloit Snappers? Not to mention the nearby skate park, something Janesville has needed for a decade or more, and no parking ramp over the mighty Rock River, music and food at Friday's in the Park, the Fine Arts Incubator, all that beautiful green space along the river and the new Ace Hardware downtown. I would say Janesburg has got some catchin' up to do! By the way, I'm not from Beloit.

Good job, JPD, and whoever else was involved in making this happen. It's a good move for Janesville. Also, for those of you knocking Beloit, have you been there lately? Beloit's got it going on and has for quite a while...Beloit College, Riverfest, Farmer's Market long before J'ville got one, the new grocery store, "Bushel and Peck's", for locally produced goods, home-owned restaurants, nice newer red brick buildings downtown and nicely re-done older buildings, "Bagels and More", family-owned "Stanton's Shoes" downtown for more than 50 years, etc. And it is so easy to get around town with NO MILTON AVE and FRONTAGE ROADS! Try it, you might like it!

Great news!
Now let's condemn the property, tear down the building, remove the debris and build a monument to the Janesville Police so that mymaro can deface it with a can of spray paint any time the overwhelming urge to slander the police arises.

armyof3: The Halbachs have relinquished their rights to their adult entertainment license for the City of Janesville. Their Town of Rock license is still valid and in effect. It is the difference between licensing commitees and governing municipalities.

armyof3,
I believe Isabella is outside the city limits and therefore does not operate under the same guidelines as the one inside the city limits. Not sure if that has anything to do with still being open or not though.

Real mature trimmo.

how does janesville being or not being better than beloit relate to the article?? what I want to know is IF the halbach's relinquished their adult entertainment license, why is it that Mee Mee's is the only one that closed... even though Isabella Queen is under a seperate but related investigation, why hasn't it closed its doors as well??

Actully Janesville is still better than beloit, thats why it's Janesville... And frankly we dont want you on our high horse so please get off.

who is sweetman? I don't see that username??

At least give it till 2010!

Everyone knew why the city was doing what they were doing; it is just surprising it took them so long. Jim, you put up a good fight but you lost, time to move on. Don't take me wrong I support your right to fight the system like you did, but it wasn't a good decision from a business point of view not in a city with an oppressive city government like Janesville. Good luck to your other businesses hopefully Janesville won't find other ways to retaliate

I can now sleep so much better, knowing the derilict patrons are out of this club. At least we knew where they were at, at 2:00 in the A.M.

The article had nothin to do with race. It pertains to the illegal acticities and the community has had enough! The owners were well aware of the activity going on as all previous articles had enough info to let the public know. The halbachs knew it was going on and did nothing to stop it and most of the girls were young and not much to look at and became the victims in my opinion

To anyone in favor of legalized prostition: What would your female friends, family, and relatives have to do first to pursue such a career?

I hope someone can do something useful with that building now that Mee Mee's is out. That area down at that intersection is going to waste.

Hopefully the owners or the city take down those ugly signs in the windows.

sry, sweetman, not everyone is racist in some form or another. racist/ignorant people think thats the case to justify their beliefs.

Sweetman, You have me LMAO-
I have tolerance for everyone, even you..
(that's why I make the big bucks..)

Why don't they just legalize prostitution? Have the health department regulate testing and check ups for the prositutes. It would be safe, increase jobs, and the government can tax their legal income....everyone wins!

Wow, sweetman, I must say, your comments express your true personality. So, not only are you a chauvinistic, but also a racist? Nice!!

sweetman you have the most inconsiderate ignorant posts of anyone ive seen on here.

tnimmo89, why don't you drop your lousy Beloit comment and fess up to the fact that Janesville is just as bad, if not worse, than any other community. Janesville isn't on such a high horse anymore now that GM is going away. Janesville could learn a few things from Beloit.

There aren't enough employed GM workers left to keep the girls busy anymore. :(

More jobs lost in Janesville.

Couldn't strip clubs be outlawed altogether in Janesville, now that there are no outstanding licenses?

Wooo! Finally that trash doesn't belong in Janesville, take it to Beloit haha

Great news. Thanks Janesville

FINALLY !!