Ok my comment was removed, was it due to the truth about former senator Tim Cullens DUI being swept under the rug by Sheriff Spoden or his sons Heroin OD that he got from his friend Brad (no last name~ (yet you all know whom he was) busted on Fri.and got bailed out by his partents who obviously love their son enough to overlook what he has done~ When is enough enough- JPD needs to do way more about this problem as it has now gotten out of control! Screw the pot and coke busts Heroin is killing off people at A high rate!!!!!!!

Did anyone take 5 minutes to check out the "wonderful" Garcia on CCAP??? Not a law-abiding citizen in any means. Kinda scary when you live close by to someone as low as that!

I have and IDEA! ALL THE DOPERS MOVE TO HOLLAND! DOPE, Prostitutes, and Free Medical care.. Woooo Whooo.

billnewbie: yer on our team now?? 'Until marijuana is legal, that will continue'

Msleo, you might want to read those news reports again. Drug dealers are opportunists, they deal in what ever sells, marijuana included. Do you really think that marijuana dealers have an exclusive franchise, or that they are somehow more honorable since they deal in harmless contraband?

Fldpan, if marijuana were legal, I’m sure the pharmacies or liquor stores (whoever sells it) would not compete by shooting it out in the streets, but that’s not the way it is right now. It is illegal right now and drug dealers are shooting it out to control the trade. “What if’s” and “should be’s” don’t relieve the marijuana user from his complicity in his dealer’s activities. People are being killed. Until marijuana is legal, that will continue.

Zebra...nice of you to judge the other posters. Um...did you know that you shoulda used a "big" U at the beginning of that sentence, there?

I mean, since you want to call folks unedumeakated.

I work at a Janesville retailer and apprehend shoplifters all the time. A common denominator as to the reason for a majority of the thefts is dope. Everything from marijuana to crack/cocaine are common. These people don't usually have jobs- so they have to get the money somehow, whether its shoplifting or breaking into your car or your house to get money for their habit. 10 years on the job, and I have yet to hear a thief say they stole to support their alcohol habit by the way..

I've been in the work force for over 30 years. I've watched people get fired for: showing up drunk to work, being chronically late, internet abuse, theft from the company's supplies closet and sexual harassment.

A few companies insisted on drug tests. While I've never had to take the drug test... I know a few people who were ousted from their jobs due to a bit of THC in their system. Most of the ones I knew had been with their corporate white collar job for 10 years or better. It seemed like an overreaction to "catching a buzz" on the weekends.

However, 3 years ago - this guy who was the delivery driver... wrecked the delivery truck, and the charge was his 7th DWI. How does this happen? I don't get it.

Impairment for someone who inhaled a few drags, compared to someone intoxicated is night and day. When the gov't gets the drunk drivers off the road for their FIRST offense and incarcerates them... then I'll be a bit more supportive to these "other" mind altering drug charges. Until then, weed is safer than booze, IMO.

spark i understand where yer comin from. i was put on this earth to dispel the stereotypes. lol jk. but how do you know i DONT spend my time in a better way than just getting stoned?? want to ask my kids how many bike rides they do in a summer?? or how many camping trips we make?? or how many trips to the library we make?? ask em how much tv i let them watch. how many video games they play at my house. ask my employer or my ex wife if my pot consumption deters me from ANYTHING. i am on the extreme side of pot consumption, im aware of that, but if i can do what i do and STILL be a successful father, friend, employee, dont you think there may be MILLIONS who do all those same things while...gasp...smoking pot in their free time?? i was a bad drinker. uncle sam wanted me to stop so i did. im a MORE than responsible/competent pot smoker. NOW im the criminal?? can you understand where my frustrations come from at all??

back at ya.

gonefishin-I don't need a bunch of data to know that any type of drug is bad for you regardless of statistics. And yes, I do think a ton has changed since then. Especially with the younger generation. Worse drugs are being used today more than ever. Why do I need to post statistics to things that are merely common sense? Isn't this all about opinions in the first place? I'm not trying to piss anyone off. Just like others aren't trying to piss me off.

kid-I guess that was my whole point. Just think you could do something better with your time than get stoned every day. But that's your choice and I can't change that.

come meet me an see how its 'harming' me. im not comparing my needs to those who are TERMINALLY ill and need it medically. i can tell you why its medical for me...but whos got time;) all im sayin is that to deny someone a better quality of life who is DIEING to keep me from 'frying my brain' is crap. pure crap.

gonefishin-my opinion, just like anyone else's, means plenty. The difference is, you take everything way too personally and can't handle it. So try relaxing a little and just enjoy the discussion. I wasn't attacking you personally in any way, shape or form. But like an older post from you that I recall, you tend to get a little upset.

good question pepper. one of the well known effects of pot smoking is laziness. those violent people may still be violent, but id bet lots of money it wont make em MORE violent. alcohol causes aggression an loss of control. as you say, not with all users, but it amplifies those traits in peeps who already have those traits. thats just not the case with pot.

kid-than if you think that isn't harming your body, you are in serious denial.

kid-So you're comparing your needs to get stoned with those that need it for medical reasons and those that are dieing from these issues you speak of? I don't think so. Not even in the same category. If it works for medical reasons, I'm for it. But I'm not for it using that to support you frying brain cells. That's all I'm saying.

how old is the data that says marijauna is a harmful drug?? way older than 7 years hombre.

excluding about 20 days...i have smoked pot every day for the last 3 and a half years. usually multiple times a day. i, like most smokers, dont always get 'blasted' high. i can smoke two hitters(equivilant to 1/3 of a cigarette) and be 'buzzed' for about an hour an then totally fine.

good post? The data is seven years old and the info is perceived by the victims and 50% had no idea what the offender was on. Come on.

yer rite spark. those of us who do want to just get stoned use the medical aspect to our benefit. so do the people who are dieing of cancer and aids. to deny someone a better quality of life to prevent people in general from smoking pot should be the freakin crime. EVEN UNCLE SAM ACKNOWLEDGES THE MEDICAL BENEFITS OF THC. look at drugs like marinol which are classified a schedule III narcotic which means 'known medical value'. MARINOL IS SYNTHETIC THC. whats the main psychoactive compound in marijuana?? thats rite THC. tell me how THC has medical value in its synthetic state but not its natural?? wouldnt have anything to do with the fact you cant patent a plant?? im sure that has nothing to do with lobbyists either.

kid-how often to you smoke pot?

good post fishin, but come on those links are from the department of justice and its a .gov website. the anti-potters dont believe us when we post links to pro-pot websites. oh...wait...nvrmnd.

fyi spark my comment made no reference to violent crimes. i said alcohol is a factor in more crimes than all the other drugs combined, excluding of course the fact that mere possession of the drugs is a crime. drunk driving is a crime. domestic violence is a crime. if pot were legal SAME AS THE 'EVILER OF TWO EVILS' possession would not be a crime and the number of crimes committed where alcohol was a factor vs the number where pot was would be laughable.

I give up. Happy New Year.

"How many gang bangers are killing each other over a 40 oz beer? How many are robbing for a beer? We can compare all day. No point. Drugs lead to violent crimes. Making them legal isn't going to help. They still need money to buy them."

Spark , there sure aren't any people shooting others over a joint either.
There are more drugs than ever before on the US streets, the crime rates are just about the same case. If making it legal isn't going to help, can you claim that what we've been doing has?

People abuse Prescription drugs, of course people would abuse marijuana if medicinal were legal. Those same people are already abusing it. So why don't we use it to help people? Is it worse than Oxy's or Methadone, or Vicidin? Those drugs kill thousands.

This debate has to adjust to the fact that almost all pot heads are juicers too. That's why the effects of pot can't be accurately gaged. The pro-pot debaters benefit from this.

msleo-seriously, you are completely lost on my posts. You need to read before you speak. My comment about the medical industry is that the people that want to smoke to get stoned and don't have a medical issue, use that as an excuse to try a legalize it for their habits. Give it a rest.

Sorry if you can not accept that pot which has medical value, would be an asset to sociaty. Unlike booze, which has no medical value, and causes violent behavior. Government sure does brainwash the weak ones doesn't it?

kid said : dont forget that alcohol is a drug and that probably leads to more crimes than all the other drugs combined yet remains legal.

THIS IS WHAT I WAS COMMENTING ON. READ!!!!!!!!!!

The comments are about pot and booze. You say pot has a more violent effect on sociaty. You are so wrong!!!

msleo-We are all dumber now from your posts. Thanks.

not to mention paying my heating bill is a habit, I hate being cold, so I must work to supply my habit of keeping warm. What else do you have?

msleo-Are you sure you're not smoking something? You're not listening to what I'm saying. I was commenting on a post stating that alcohol causes more crimes than all drugs. B.S. We're not talking about just pot here.

give me a break!! Drunks have the money to buy booze!! A pothead can work a job just as good as a drunk

and FYI I don't smoke

WAKE UP!! YOU STILL NEED MONEY TO BUY THE DRUGS. IT'S A HABIT AND YOU NEED MONEY TO SUPPORT IT WHETHER IT'S LEGAL OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GET OUT OF DENIAL. I COULD CARE LESS IF YOU GET STONED, SNORT, INJECT OR WHATEVER.

Crack, coke, meth, herion users even drunks do more violent crimes than a pot head.

msleo-You are completely missing the point. Compare drugs to alcohol all you want. I really don't care. Get stoned all you want. I really don't care. What I laugh at is the comparisons and denial that most people have with drugs. If you wan to compare things. How many gang bangers are killing each other over a 40 oz beer? How many are robbing for a beer? We can compare all day. No point. Drugs lead to violent crimes. Making them legal isn't going to help. They still need money to buy them.

If it were legal why would they be shooting eachother?

More drunks do violent crimes than stoners!!! Shall I keep listing the cases?

msleo- I never said that. Of course it's horrible. I said there are more crimes related to drugs than alcohol.

a man beating his father to death while wasted on booze is not a violent crime?

crafty-all that is fine and dandy, but that's not why most people want want it legal. People want it legal so they can get stoned and support their habit. They use the medical excuse every single time this debate comes up. We've covered this a million times.

spark- so an innocent family being wiped out by an illegal drunk drive is not a horrible crime?

kid- I would never agree with you that alcohol leads to more crimes than drugs. The types of crimes related with drugs are far more violent. History has proven that.

crafty at least being a lazy pothead you prolly dont have to worry about losin a job. an im sure you got enough headbands to burn for when you cant pay yer gas bill.

I'd post a better comment but all that damn dope has rotted my brain and I'm on a lower level, intellectually, than those who don't smoke and I completely forgot what I was going to write. Now the walls are melting and I hear this weird helicopter sound outside. I think there's more thane one of them...

spark i wont argue that drugs lead to crime. fo sho they do. but the problem is pot gets lumped into the 'drug' category and gets blamed. its the drugs msleo listed. dont forget that alcohol is a drug and that probably leads to more crimes than all the other drugs combined yet remains legal. im sure alcohol lobbyists have nothing to do with that right??

They are shooting each other over MONEY. I'd be wiling to bet the stories about stoned people shooting each other are few and far between. If pet were legal, it wouldn't cost so much, because the competition would be legal.

If you really want to learn something:
Attacking Alzheimer's with Red Wine and Marijuana
http://www. alternet. org/drugreporter/110806/attacking_alzheimer%27s_with_red_wine_and_marijuana/

Stoned drivers are safe drivers
http://www. cannabisculture. com/articles/1775. html

Marijuana May Fight Lung Tumors
http://www. webmd. com/lung-cancer/news/20070417/marijuana-may-fight-lung-tumors

Medical Marijuana: Asthma Treatment
http://www. salem-news. com/articles/august302007/med_pot_83007. php

The recent discovery of a peripheral cannabinoid receptor associated with lymphatic tissue should encourage aggressive exploration of THC's potential use as an immune-system stimulant.

http://www. marijuanalibrary. org/Exposing_05_1095. html

Marijuana Heart Risk Unlikely to be Significant, Says Expert
http://stopthedrugwar. org/chronicle-old/129/marijuanarisk. shtml

Because marijuana acts on the brain, chronic use can also make it difficult to concentrate, pay attention and learn.

Medical marijuana for ADD and its good for kids!
http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=yj72e5q61Fs

Stoned scientists
http://www. cannabisculture. com/articles/2783. html

Marijuana, the Anti-Drug
http://www. counterpunch. org/gardner11112006. html

dont you think its funny how the USERS of the drug are the ones who say its harmless and not addictive. do the user of alcohol or tobacco say those same things?? you surprise me billnewbie...you seem like an above average intelligence guy and you are blaming the marijuana for that sad reefer madness picture you paint. thats to easy and you know it. wheres the accountability in people like yourself who refuse to ask uncle sam why?? why a drug that no one has EVER OVERDOSED ON is illegal?? why a drug that has PROVEN MEDICAL BENEFITS IS ILLEGLA?? why a 100% natural PLANT that we could use for food/fuel/fiber is illegal?? this isnt a difficult concept to grasp. if you take the profit out of the drug the gangs have no reason to shoot/kill for the drug. what territory is there to protect if the gangbangers can buy a pack of joints when they buy their 40's?? have we ever had a problem with gangs and alcohol?? yup, and how did we end it billnewbie?? by ENDING THE SENSELESS PROHIBITION.

billnewbie, innocent kids ARE shot by stray bullets being fired by rival gangs. But it's NOT pot they are fighting over, it's crack, herion, and coke. Read those news reports.

fldpan-they'd still shoot it out because half of them can't afford drugs. Drugs lead to crime. Period. Legal or not. That won't change. Those of you who think it doesn't, are living in a dream world.

"Marijuana has never directly killed someone" is a nearly impossible assertion to prove. Yet indirectly, marijuana users are responsible for many innocent deaths. The proof is in the news, on CNN, the Chicago Tribune, maybe even in the Gazette someday. Somewhere, soon a child will die, shot dead in its bed while it sleeps, the victim of a stray bullet fired by a marijuana dealer aiming at a rival without concern for crossfire victims using a gun and ammunition purchased with money given them by users who refuse any responsibility for those who die. Marijuana users claim their drug is harmless, that it’s not addictive, so they refuse to obey the law while enabling and enriching murderers who provide them their supply. Apparently marijuana use selectively blinds the user and mutes his conscience while raising within him an irresistible urge for more. But, of course, it’s not addictive and it’s perfectly harmless.

kb: first of all did you see the side effects on that drug?? are you aware of the side effects of marijuana?? that drug was for nausea. what about the pain?? marijuana helps both. say what you want about my recreational use but to deny those dieing of cancer or aids the access to a drug that is 100% natural that improves their quality of life just so people like myself cant smoke it legally is a sham. i know a lady who is about 60 years old and has some chronic pain disease. im not sure of the technical name of it. she owns a business in this county and says to me 'ive been smokin pot since i was in my 30's, never smoked an entire joint but 2 hits of this do for me what 4 of their pills do'. tell me its not medical for this lady?? and AGAIN kb i guess ill type it s..l..o..w..e..r..this time. im not denying dead is dead or impaired is impaired. marijuana/alcohol arent what kills people on the roads. its the STUPID drivers who decide to operate a motor vehicle. if those people sit at home its IMPOSSIBLE to overdose on MARIJUANA ALONE, the alcohol of course if you consume enough it will poison your body and you will die. but on the road its the drivers' fault, not the drugs.

Pwrtrip- you are an idiot! Mavraganis is NOT a Spanish name! And, Hello---- It is nearly 2009. Do you realize that these people may have been here for 6 generations or more? HOW do you read a last name and assume that they came FROM another country, and, even more that it is Mexico! WOW! Ignorance is rampant with you!

marijuana has never directly killed someone. even uncle sam agrees with that. it is almost impossible to overdose on marijuana.

KEY WORD: ALMOST. And the dead guy from the crash is still dead. Impaired is impaired. Alcohol, drugs, its all the same

kb: what was the point of that link??

Marijuana for chemo is a farce.

fldpan, according to your claim nothing would have changed since the Rockefellers et. al. assumed their power positions in this country and this economy. I think there've been many changes since that time. Like, for instance, blogging on the internet.

gfan there really is a BIG movement to legalize. www.norml.com www.drugsense.com are just a couple places to start off top of my head. and i guess i cant spare you from the govt paranoia stuff. but i am surprised that you havent grasped yet the fact that its illegal, which makes those you deem 'respectable' unable to speak about their choice to consume pot. what would happen if a teacher said what i did?? or a dr?? or a judge?? the anti's would blast em. and as ive said b4 those peeps are just as responsible for beliefs of peeps like yerself as the propaganda youve read about the terrors of pot. if everyone who smoked did like i do, which is tell everyone they smoke it would be legal by now.
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common sense would suggest that yes indeed someone should have figured out to get industrial hemp legalized so they can profit. alcohol/tobacco/pfizer lobbyists are way more powerful with way deeper pockets than you apparently realize...

I hope I don't seem to be belaboring a point here, but it seems that the debilitory effect of pot (except for rare exceptions like thekid) is mirrored in the inability of all these millions of "normal, highly accomplished" pot heads to come forward en mass in an organized way in an effort to legalize pot.

Spare me the paranoia about the government and the unfair perpetuation of the stereotype -sometimes there's lots of truth to a stereotype. I'm close to saying that the way pot is consumed now-a-days is okay. But the criminality of manufacturing it and trafficking it and selling it still should not be tolerated. Things are complicated sometimes. Pot should not be legal.

Further, on the commercial benefits of pot. Our society is rampantly capitalistic. Any opportunity for someone to make money and make enough money to be rich gets its chance here. If all that stuff about "commercial" pot were true, it would have already found its place in our economy.

Would you people please leave the stoners alone! It's their choice and they're not harming anyone by making that choice. I smoked pot in college--it was just a phase--some of my friends still do it recreationally and we are ALL productive members of society. As far as linking marijuana use to traffic fatalities, knock it off.....I'm MUCH more worried about the soccer mom flying down I90 screaming at her 3 kids in the minivan while talking on her cell phone, than someone who just smoked some weed and is making there way to McDonalds for a 20 piece nuggets and a supersized fries......Seriously, all of you "holier than now" types need to stop passing judgment on others who do things a little differently and get a life:)

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WHY???? TRUTH HURT????

ihavealife: come meet me. youll see there is nothing odd about my behavior. my ex wife, my employer, my parents, my entire social circle will tell you theres nothing odd about my behavior and they ALL know i smoke pot. if you havent smoked in 30+ years, please explain to me how you know all the pot is laced with 'every toxic chemical known to man'?? ive NEVER seen a bag that was anything but pot. the fact is that even people killed by drunk drivers are killed because the driver chose to drive, not from the alcohol. ive said it many times before, but when its an alcohol related issue...peeps tend to blame(or rather excuse) the individual...'bad life' 'bad marriage' 'bad job''one to many''blahblahblah' and when its a marijuana related issue they blame the drug. 'bad drug' the fact is the two drugs are similar in a lot of ways, and should be treated by uncle sam in a similar fashion. regulate it, tax it, and allow the individual to chose his intoxicant.

thekid, who's been keeping count on how many reefer-sticks you've been smoking? LOL

And one of your recent posts seems to let alcohol off the hook (the eviler of two evils).

sry billnewbie. i see why you are confused. the odds arent 1 in 40,000. the ratio for a lethal overdose is 1:40,000. if i smoke a joint to get high...that means i need to smoke 40,000 joints to overdose. i smoke ALOT but i have yet to smoke 4,000 joints in my life, well maybe 4,000;), but no where near 40,000 an certainly not in one sitting.

Freddog says- "I never drank drain cleaner, but I'm pretty sure it.s not good for me like I'm told, I hate child molesters even tho I never tried it, what kind of father is this proudfather guy, does he let his kids try things to see if they are good or bad or teach them some things are wrong, to many liberals around.."
-If you were here more often you would see clearly that I am no Liberal. (even though I used to think I was) If I told you bubble gum was a gateway drug, that would give you cancer, make you lazy, and ruin your life, would you just take my word for it? Your whole drain cleaner argument is asinine.
That said, NO ONE HERE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT GIVING KIDS POT. Except you...If a responsible adult wanted to drink drain cleaner, wouldn't that be their freedom of choice? Read my other posts friend.

I am not a father. My life has been too busy, what with defending all of you for the past 11 years.

gfan: im not sayin no one has ever died cuz they were driving high. my point is thats an INDIRECT marijuana death. if the driver would have sat on his couch it wouldnt have happened. blame the person not the drug.
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billnewbie: your math would make sense...sorta. when you look at the big numbers. if you look at the individual who needs to consume 40,000 times the amount it takes to get you high, there is absolutely NO WAY one person is going to consume that amount. but if there are 100 more pothead deaths than we would lead you to believe...where are they?? find me ONE link to someone who overdosed on marijuana. JUST ONE??

100 hundred dead pot heads is a good start.

JUST KIDDING!!!

Let's see now, if the odds of having a lethal dose of marijuana are 1 in 40,000, that would mean that if there were 4 million pot users (probably an understated number), then 100 of them would die from a lethal marijuana overdose. Now I realize that 100 dead marijuana users is rather an insignificant number compared to how many are killed on the streets of America and Mexico in defence of the marijuana trade, yet that number is 100 more than the zero number of deaths that the marijuana legalization league would have us believe.

The only way to overdose on pot is if you eat to many whoppers.

I never drank drain cleaner, but I'm pretty sure it.s not good for me like I'm told, I hate child molesters even tho I never tried it, what kind of father is this proudfather guy, does he let his kids try things to see if they are good or bad or teach them some things are wrong, to many liberals around..

thekid, are you claiming that no driver or no passenger were ever killed in a car crash as a result of the driver being high on pot?

And you can be the guy who sells cheap jewelry out of the trunk of your car.

ughhh. gfan i even typed my 12:11 post slowly so you could understand. that is the answer to yo question. try to keep up.
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spark: do you have any idea who i am?? or dub, lund, gma, crafty, gonefishin, or proudfighter is?? we could be YOUR soldier. we could be YOUR nurse. we could be YOUR grandmother. we could be YOUR lawyer. we could be YOUR kids' teacher. you DONT KNOW. to say we need to get a serious life says a lot more about who YOU are than the fact that we think pot smoking is relatively harmless and hypocritically illegal says about ours.

All you stoners need to get a serious life. Seriously. It's pretty pathetic.
All your theories are once again, an excuse to support your bad habit. Find something better to do with your time.

thekid, where's the government site that says: no one ever died from driving while high on pot?

kb: what was the point of that link??

ill explain in detail...and ill even type this slow so kb can understand. marijuana has never directly killed someone. even uncle sam agrees with that. it is almost impossible to overdose on marijuana. i say almost cuz theoretically a lethal dose of marijuana, according to a quick google search is 1:40,000. that means you would have to consume 40,000 times the amount of marijuana it takes to get you high. if someone gets high and kills someone driving, sry but thats not the pot doing that. thats the drivers bad judgement. when a drunk driver does it its not the alcohol thats doing the killing...its the driver who made the wrong choice to drive while drunk. there most certainly may be INDIRECT marijuana related deaths...but the number of those are so minute compared to what we see on the roads with THE MOST ABUSED DRUG, which silly as it sounds is legal. the lethal overdose for the that abused drug, or the 'eviler of two evils' is between 1:4 and 1:10. im not a math teacher but i dont think those ratios are close.

Kytril and Zofran
http://health.yahoo.com/cancer-medicatio...

The Drug War is losing it's credibility because of its sadistic war on medicinal marijuana and its moronic war against hemp.

WRONG. Fatal crash Hwy H Como area last summer. 50 year old died in head on after 17 year old doper crossed the centerline and hit him. Impaired driving is impaired driving. Period. Hang em all

did we just SPEND a lot of money, AGAIN, arresting adults for selling a WEED to other consenting adults?? a WEED that has NEVER KILLED?? hmmmmm. spend or collect...spend or collect...whatever we'll just print more i guess. its worked so far...right??

gonefishin:maybe you should have smoked one and chilled before you checked out the hunting pics.

If alcohol was illegal, would you still drink it?

In the 60's/70's... pot was a simple (and relatively cheap) buzz.... It wasn't "usually" laced with anything. We'd maybe play at a bar for a few sets of music, but then head to the apartment that was cleaner at the moment... toke down a bong or two and chill. Some of us drank, most of us didn't. We played a lot of cards and silly board games... and honestly - when you're stoned, its hilarious! No hangovers, No black outs.... No "hugging the porcelain god".

Who knows what's chopped into it nowadays though. I just find it to be ridiculous that people have an opinion on marijuana, who have never toked. I certainly understand the plain truth that it is against the law... but puleeze... how someone will surely graduate to crack or heroin from weed... its just stupid, ignorant and paranoid.

Before ya all beat me up over this comment... that was 30 years ago!!!! Sounds like the "Reefer Madness" band wagon to me... Sheesh!

I agree. You shouldn't deal drugs.
Gonefishin you have a GREAT point. The money and resources used in these pot stings could be used to catch and trap pedophiles. They are actually criminals who have a victim! Why is even one childs well being less important than people who want a little dope?
Maybe the so called ex paramedic needed some money in these tough times... Where is the victim anyway?

u know what i dont understand, is the cops get these houses for drug busts...and then theres the people that i know threw an ex roommate his friends parents run a drug house on marion too...and what really gets me is the guy used to be a paramedic and now hes a drug dealer...nice huh...and their daughters bf is a cop here in janesville, and yet they arent doing anything about the drug dealing there...lol theres a cop dateing a family member, n hes not doing anything about it...what kind of morals does he have???it just makes me so mad...i say put all of them in jail...

Do you realize how many pot peddlers are filling up our jails and prisons, costing us billions? What about the fact that there are more drugs than ever in America? Is the War on Drugs even working?

The Drug War is losing it's credibility because of its sadistic war on medicinal marijuana and its moronic war against hemp. As if banning recreational marijuana isn't moronic enough. Trying to force pregnant women or mean drunks to use alcohol if they want to get high, have you really thought that one through?

im gonna go ahead an add proudfighter and gonefishin to my xmas card list:) and just to restate what proudfighter did cuz in these economic times it cant be stated enough...WE WOULD BE THE RICHEST NATION IN THE WORLD...

If I had never smoked pot, and I was preaching about how great it was for you, wouldn't I sound like an idiot?

Kind of like comparing eating a cookie to scarfing down 300 dollars a day worth of pure sugar, I would probably be willing to try a cookie, but the other...Then you have alcohol which is right in the middle.

I wouldn't know Gazettefan, you tell me. I've never done either. But it would be moronic of me to compare a plant that grows with abandon all over the world, to a man made killer drug. (kind of like the legal ones they give out like candy)
Now that we're comparing, what about booze? Take that away, Gazettefan. If alcohol didn't even exist, would there be, in your opinion, more or less accidents due to substance abuse?
in my travels I have seen many many people driving, working, caring for their kids, and fighting for their country high on Marijuana. I know if it were legal to produce sell and export, we would be the richest nation in the World.

thekid, I was criticizing the principle of: not having done a drug automatically disqualifies you from forming an opinion about it.

export now!

Regardless of whether or not you think marijuana SHOULD be illegal or legal, the fact remains that the current laws in the land say it is illegal. These individuals choose to violate the law and were caught. Now they will have to pay the price of violating existing law. Just because YOU THINK it SHOULD be legal does not make it legal.
To make something legal that is currently illegal, you need to convince the legislative and executive branches of government to change the law, not just go out and violate the law.

gfan the fact that you would even compare crack to pot shows how unequipped you STILL are for this discussion.

right on fighter.
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stoned drivers slow down. drunk drivers become more agressive. stoned/drunk drivers do the same as drunk drivers. even if pot gets a free 50% pass on the stoned/drunk, i wonder why we NEVER read about someone who was high on marijuana only wrecking into a family and killing them?? it surely isnt from lack of stoned drivers. simple math will tell you theyre on the road. even if there are thousands of deaths on the road every year from marijuana stoned drivers...the fact remains and even uncle sam acknowledges that no one has ever died from the DIRECT use of marijuana. that numbers not even debatable.

Does that apply to crack too?

Good comment, ProudFighter11.

Too many people criticize things they do not understand.

I say if you haven't tried pot, you shouldn't tell people how bad it is or what the effects are.

No more tax stamp? No wonder Wisconsin has such a huge budget deficit.

No gun crime was charged probably because it wasn't used in a violent act or threat.
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In this case, I see no reason to make a gun charge.
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Drugs are drugs....you may think weed is harmless, but when weed isn't enough people will graduate to other drugs. If it's used for medicinal purposes under the guidance of a physician I don't have issue with it. But someone running a drug house, manufacturing drugs no matter what kind, selling them to kids, carrying guns, etc. is wrong. I agree pack em up and send them home to Mexico or if US citizen put them behind bars.

Again, "the never killed anyone" attribution to pot is specious. Most people who smoke pot also drink alcohol (while the contrary is not true). So, because of detectability problems with pot, vehicular fatalities are only attributed to drunk driving whenever the driver is blasted on both alcohol and pot.

zippy they repealed the tax stamp act in 1969

At least they were smart enough to get their marijuana tax stamps. I didn't see that in the charges.

If its only hard time for gun crime in a federal court then why on those annoying flashing billboards does it specifically refer to janesville as place where you will be given hard time? In my opinion no one in this town recieves proper punishment for any crime committed. All any one gets is a stern lecture and maybe a slap on the wrist.

did we just SPEND a lot of money, AGAIN, arresting adults for selling a WEED to other consenting adults?? a WEED that has NEVER KILLED?? hmmmmm. spend or collect...spend or collect...whatever we'll just print more i guess. its worked so far...right??

biggirl, it's usually derived from circumstantial evidence, which might be possession of a scale or a supply of baggies. If that's all they have, it's a difficult charge to prove (and often dropped in plea bargains, probably often in exchange for testimony), but in this case they also have confirmed delivery.
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As to the gun, there's no indication it was actually used. They may need time to investigate whether it was legally obtained. Ultimately the slogan relates to federal, not state, law.
http://www.psn.gov/about/thelaw.html

There is always "intent to deliver" charges for drug related crimes. The police will charge someone with just about anything and everything related to that crime, because most of those will be dropped when it gets to court. Or the charges will be used to bargain for something else. So the list maybe extensive, but when the case comes to court, a lot of those will be dismissed by then, or dropped in court.

I would think the part that says MANUFACTURING would go along with INTENT TO DELIVER...

What is the evidence that they had "intent to distribute"? Is amount enough?