Alaska governor moves to national stage

Rich people can afford to help out the less welthy people. Time for them to pay their fair share!!

Why raise taxes on anybody right now. Doesn't make sense at all.

Darn it. Now the McCain campaign has to find something else to attack Obama about.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1...

It's a refundable tax cloud you moron
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Obama wants to make medicine run by the government. The same government who can't even keep a budget.

Obama wants to give illegal immigrants free health care. What an idiot.

SarahB…this is just to easy, and for the record I will only include items since Obama has been in the Senate.
Sponsor (introduced) legislation to require undocumented immigrant’s receiving legal status to pay owed back taxes; approved by the Senate via unanimous consent. Sponsor (introduced) legislation to calculate back pay for prisoners-of-war during world war II who were promoted while being held and never paid for the promotion until released; approved by the Senate via unanimous consent. Sponsor (introduced) legislation to require a report on medical physical examinations of members of the Armed Forces before their deployment; approved by the Senate via unanimous consent. Sponsor (introduced) legislation to provide for a continuation of transitional health benefits for members of the Armed Forces pending a resolution of their service-related medical conditions; approved by the Senate via unanimous consent.

futurerichguy...I'm assuming you have no grasp of truth. This "story" you are regurgitating has been proven false by all the non-partisan fact-check sites.

RetiredAirForce: You sure like to hand out assignments. Were you ever a teacher? How about filling us in on the Senate accomplishments of Sen. McCain. And, to save all of us time, only list those items that he accomplished alone ("not shared" or "no results" need not be provided to us). Thanks.

RetiredAirForce, I'm assuming you wouldn't throw your lot in with a pilot who dropped bombs on his own air craft carrier and then was shot down on a mission. I bet you know pilots who actually flew successful missions and followed orders. Personally I'm surprised anyone from the Airforce would support a Navy maverick.

So this list is..he traveled to foreign countries (on offical business) to talk [no results]. He "worked" with other democrats to approve measures [shared results]. Introduced legislation on troop movements [no results]. He "worked" with republicans to approve measures [shared results]. He sponsored a bill that was vetoed [no results].

Short list of Obama accomplishments:

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.

He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.

He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.

Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."

Still waiting for any accomplishments that Obama has done in his 144 days in the senate? Anyone? Anyone?

If you guessed Obama, you are WRONG! Sen. McCain takes the award ... last night's vote on the bailout bill was McCain's first vote since April 8 ... that's nearly SIX MONTHS! He has missed 420 votes or about 65 percent total. Just to be fair here, Sen. Obama comes in third having missed a total of 303 votes (about 47 percent). Until Wednesday night, he most recently voted on July 9. I guess McCain is tops at something after all.

Name that candidate! Which one has missed more votes than any other senator in the U.S. Senate during the 110th Congress that opened on Jan. 4, 2007?

Still waiting for any accomplishments that Obama has done in his 144 days in the senate? Anyone? Anyone?

Conservative columnist changes mind and calls for Palin's withdrawal... http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZ...

Palin is a woman who just about everyone can relate to, but thankfully we're smart enough to realize that not everyone is capable of being an effective President.

Still waiting for any accomplishments that Obama has done in his 144 days in the senate? Anyone? Anyone?

Palin is a woman who just about everyone can relate to. And that scares the hell out of the loony lefties!!!

Obama's plan is a complete joke. It's socialism redistribution of wealth. He's a fraud.

SarahB…There is no argument with who is getting taxes raised. The disagreement is over the miss-information on the tax cuts. You stated “everybody else would get a tax reduction” echoing the campaign of Obama. The reality is the 2 lowest quintiles are in the negative as far as federal income tax---meaning after filling out tax return forms and receiving (if eligible) earned income and child care credits get back more than they paid in. There is NO WAY to lower the tax burden below a zero rate! So the truth is, the lowest two quintiles will not receive a tax break---there is nothing to give a break on. If his plan is to increase earned income and child care tax credits this would result in more money for the lower two quintiles; this is a subside not a tax cut. As stated these are not tax cuts as you and his campaign suggest.

RetiredAirForce: According to the Tax Policy Center, Obama and McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families. Obama's plan provides cuts to all but those families in the top 1.1 percent of the income scale. This would be families with annual incomes greater than $603,403. Yes, those people will see very hefty tax increases. Everybody else would get a tax reduction with the biggest cuts to those who make the least. McCain's plan gives tax cuts to all incomes levels with the largest (4.4 percent) going to the families with incomes over $2.87 million yearly. RetiredAirForce, I know Navy "fly boys" are tops in the world, but I still respect the smarts of those in the Air Force. You know darn well what Obama is talking about, so do the right thing and at least be truthful on these forums. Next, I will attack the false claim marketed by the GOP and NRA that Obama is out to ban gun ownership. Talk about BS.

The only difference between obama and osama is B S.

What's a liberal number? Can you do the same math using conservative numbers? Just wondering...

SarahB..you want me to read past the part where Obama and his campaign say that 95% of the population (not taxpayers---they say population) will receive a tax cut. Even using very liberal numbers, only 70% of wage earners pay (after tax returns) federal tax...so how does he give 95% a tax cut? How does one cut from zero? So you keep reading all you want...actions are more telling than words on a website. I am still waiting for "any" action that he has accomplished that helps taxpayers or this country.

RetiredAirForce: I never said one should "decide" whom to vote for based on the information provided on a candidate's web site. The web sites (and note that I am referring to both candidates' sites here) are a great place to get a detailed look at their proposals on how to tackle different issues. They are also a place to see just how both these candidates think and if they are able to develop new ideas that might actually work. I also use several other sources in developing my opinion on these candidates. I also read other sources daily, including those that are truly non-partisan and dissect the candidates' speeches, advertisements and voting records. Believe me, I know how to do my research. So, enough of your slams. Are you always so pleasant in the morning?

No I spend time reading their voting records. They can promise the world to me and and never pull through with their "promises". A website is just advertising for a candidate. The substance in which you should read is the voting records. Obama claims to be a "uniter" with the ability to work with republicans and reach our across the isle. Well then why does he vote 90% of the time along party lines? I like to see WHAT they have done not what they PROMISE to do. Heard that from the democrats in congress when they took over control. Have yet to see any of their PROMISES happen yet.

Yep words on a website...that is the best way to decide....holy crap are we in trouble with voters like this deciding our countries fate.

Whybesad: Spend a few hours reading each candidate's web site. Then try telling us that Obama has no substance. I dare you to get educated on the issues in this election. (Try it, you might like it!)

Obimbo came from the most corrupt political environment in the country. What did he do about it? NOTHING but this is the man who has said he will CHANGE Washington? What a JOKE he's full of promises and NO SUBSTANCE!!!

McLame and Failin. What a joke. McLame will spend all week back peddling on his recent comments about the economy. Bush is a failure and McLame will follow in his footsteps.

And sole proprietors would be effected under Obamas tax increases.

What many people don't understand is a lot of small business are run under LLC's in which their taxes are done with their personal taxes so, the money the business makes is lumped into their personal income. And with Obama wanting to tax the "rich" people and raise the capital gains taxes this is going to hurt the small business owner BIG TIME.

Obama is not good for small business he will tax the small business man out of business. Higher taxes on small business will mean that they won't be able to hire employees let alone keep the the ones they have. Just wait and see if you think it's bad now want until Obama gets into office and watch the small business get whacked with huge tax increases.

you should perhaps read the sites platforms. Obamas plan for small business is much better then 1 percent Mc Cain, who now doesn't seem to know the truth from a lie.

Straight talk Mc Cain is no longer telling the truth in his ads. His ads show his lack of moral compass. Mc Cain is lieing, just like Bush lied us into War. Chip off the old block. What a disgrace, his campaign has turn into lies and distortions.

Obama will ruin small business. The engine of this economy. In this economy you can't raise taxes and expect it to work.

Both canidates have issues. Obama seems to play more for his supporters much like John Kerry did saying that he's just a normal guy. At least with MaCain you know what your getting with him. He's a straight talker and will do what he thinks is right for the country. He has done this while in the military and as a Senator. He's taken heat from it from his own party.

Let's see pick a Washington insider for VP. A candidate that is the most liberal Senator in Washington. Votes 96% along party lines. Or a candidate who picks a woman who has executive experience is from outside of Washington politics has bucked his party on several key issues. A VP candidate who took on the good 'ole boys of her own party who were corrupt. A Illinois senator who comes from a state and city that just reeks of corruption but, has done nothing about it EVER. As a community organizer maybe he should have organized the corrupt political atmosphere in Chicago and really brought CHANGE to that city. Now who's the candidate that brings CHANGE to Washington?

Sounds like accorn is up to it's old tricks.

http://current.com/items/89293206_mislea...

Just listening to the substitute host, Lee Rayburn, on the Thom Hartmann show:

"Misleading" absentee ballot applications are being mailed out by the McCain campaign to registered Democratic voters in purple states. The return addresses are inaccurate, as well as other information. "Misleading, lying" mailers are going out in Florida and other purple states. It's a caging tactic.

Calls are coming in verifying that this is happening in small towns, as well as larger ones.

The host is trying to determine the scale of this subversion of our democracy.

Here we go again.

UPDATE: It's happening in Pennsylvania, too. The ballots have included multiple ballots, sender address is a new address while return address is from old city clerk's office... The I'm trying to type this as he says it, and it may not be clear, since I miss some. I apologize for that.

Fraud. Election fraud. Hopefully the local authorities can help, or the local Obama offices. Calling the media could help, too.

A caller: Robocalls asking if you're interested in an absentee ballot. Or, notifying the voter that the ballot will be mailed back postage paid to the National Republican Committee.

Another caller from Detroit. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida: That's where the absentee ballots are being sent to Obama voters. Add Missouri to that, per one of our commenters.

You can be sure McCain isn't doing this because he wants every vote counted.

UPDATE: A North Carolina caller got THREE of them. In the phone book there's a street address, but on the form, it's a P.O. Box, per the caller.

California caller from registrar's office: McCain should take the application for absentee and submit within 3 days. But the applications will most likely be held for the 3 days and "die". They'll most likely submit the Republican ones, and throw away the Democratic ones.

The return address for the request card goes to the wrong city clerk office address, per Rayburn.

Michigan caller: Wrong home address, and then, wrong city clerk address on the one he got. He donated to Obama, but not a Democrat, so he wonders if that's how they found him.

Hey media? There's a real story here.

I am a researcher at heart and I have had a lot of fun playing "vetter" this past week, but my excessive free time is ending and I have to get back to my real life. Thanks for humoring me everyone. Be an educated voter!!! :)
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By the way, lipstick and lapel pins aside, the foreclosure rate hit the highest EVER level last month. There are REAL ISSUES that should not be ignored.

Yeah, go over to the church sign story and weigh in on that one.

WOW over 400 posts about nothing, but a lady with a down syndrome baby,who also enjoys the outdoors, hunting, etc...my god get a life people, WAY BIGGER ISSUES THEN JUST THESE! Thank goodness I am a skim reader. On to a diffent post, this one is getting old, along with the other political one with over 500 posts. No-one will ever agree on anything, so believe in what you want to believe in and yes follow your heart and do what "YOU" think is right. GOD BLESS YOU ALL ! !

tater, are you a stalker?

I’ve been gone for a few days, so I thought I’d try and catch up on the latest chats. Did the Gazette change their feedback area to the Janesvillemom blog while I was gone? Holy smokes! She has posted an amazing 94 posts in the last 5 days!!! (Yes, I had to count them all, sigh.) Almost all the posts were on just the 2 threads about Sarah Palin! I’m not even going to comment on the substance of these posts, but don’t you think that maybe you should just start your own blog so those who really give a crap about what you think can go there and read instead of having to wade through your left-wing spouting on these pages day after day after day….? Maybe moveon.org could hire you as a witer?

janesvillemom,
When you say "Religious Right", does that mean there's a Religious Left or an Atheistic Left?

Good point Spanky. Most people don't realize that he IS the most Liberal Senator in the Senate. This guy's voting record is never reaching across the isle and being a uniter like he would like us to believe. He's blowing smoke so he can get elected once in office watch out. People need to look at the voting records of both canidates. Obama has voted 96% of the time along party lines. How is that a uniter? How is that change? looks like the same old Washington to me.

Janesvillemom after those comments you still consider yourself an independent? Geez!! Those words are right out of the far left wing of the Democratic party. I guess that's why you like Obama because he is the most Liberal Senator in America.

janesvillemom...even if my sister were running for office and her views were liberal...I would not vote for her. There are somethings that are more important than family. Standing up for what I believe in with my whole heart is one of them.

Seabee, in addition the the Democrats, I also did a lot of research on the Republican field. Guiliani was the worst of the lot and Ron Paul was the best...by my standards. Just to let you know that I don't have some kind of Sarah Palin obsession, it's more like a strong interest in saving this country from the neo-cons and the the Religious Right.

Seabee, I actually did spend a lot of energy looking into Obama, Edwards and Hillary when I found out who was running. Obama came out on top. I like to read and learn about issues so I am an INFORMED voter and citizen. Do I think Obama is perfect or sent by God, no, but I think he is by far the best of the lot.

Her friends said they didn't talk about politics. Her friends wouldn't be in the way of her political agenda, so no need to crush them. She campaigned against her own step-mother-in-law when she ran for mayor so I don't think she values family or friendship above politics.
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If your best friend was running for VP wouldn't you vote for her no matter what your political leanings just because you believed in HER?

80% approval rating in Alaska doesn't hurt either.

His community organizer position was a position in the Daley machine in Chicago's corrupt political arena. He could have stepped up when he was s State senator and put a stop to the corruption but, he didn't. But, he is for change in Washington? It doesn't add up.

Enough…you quote “So if Mc Cain gets elected then he should dismiss the entire Dem Congress cause they didn't support him.”; goes against the constitution of our great land. Your attempted snide comparison of city employees who work for a Mayor and congressional members who are members of the legislative branch of the federal government and do not work for the President who is a member of the executive branch. If you meant this as a joke it, it was very poor. You callously left out the fact our government is based on 3 branches of government to directly keep this from happening. Either way your comments have nothing to do with the facts of the events that happened 11 years ago.

I challenge janesvillemom to put half the effort she has applied to smearing Palin into doing a little research on Obama. Convince me that hope and change really do come from Chicago.

Some of the books in question weren't even in print yet. So what if some of her friends disagree with her politics. I disagree with many members of my family and friends that's just life. They just haven't come around yet :)

Not according to the video that janesvillemom's link leads to. Her closest friends aren't with her on a lot of issues, but they're still close friends.

So if Mc Cain gets elected then he should dismiss the entire Dem Congress cause they didn't support him. What nonsense. Palin just takes a grudge to far. You either with her or your OUT. Kind of Black and white like Bush and Cheney.

Banning books that question or argue or offer as a extension of Creationism Palin believes in Creationism. Science is not something she thinks is relevant. The librarian never published a list. But she maintain her job because the people like her.

I don't agree with a lot of my friends politics. I don't agree with a lot of my families politics. I think it's a good thing to surround yourself with different points of views.

I guess even Sarah's best friends don't agree with her politics. 3 of 4 of "the elite six" (she and her pals seriously call each other "the elite six"), won't say they will vote for her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbxClZXzv...
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Here is an ABC report on Troopergate that is interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOBWZ7Joc...

No, I think the change they were looking for was the fast tracking of a sports complex...duh janesvillemom. I expected more from a varsity letterman.

Was the change they wanted the banning of books? I still don't see how a librarian could get in the way of her plans for the city. Did she even talk with the librarian about any issues other than the banning of books? I just don't see librarians as a big threat.

janesvillemom...as I said previously, the voters of the city wanted things changed. She was hired to do a job and she did it. You might not like the politics behind it.

Even if she fired the librarian simply because she had supported her opponent, or because they didn't share a vision or whatever her reason, what does that tell you about her ability to work across the aisle?

Here is the Wasilla paper's article about the book banning issue:
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/200...

Make up your own mind why Sarah Palin gave her a letter stating that she intended to terminate her employment.

Janesvillemom…to your question on the article provided by you. After looking further, the article you provided was in fact written/published Sept 4th 2008, after she was chosen to be the VP for McCain’s ticket; written by a person who joined the paper in 2005. Suffice to say, I give more credence the article that was written at the time of the events and not one penned following the announcement of her nomination. If the allegations in the article are true I would sure like to see a story published/written somewhere close to when the events happened and not one put together more than 11 years later.

You posted the link, people can read it and make up their own mind. I still don't see how this has been disproved by FactCheck, I posted what it said. It said she asked a what if and that she stayed on as librarian, but not that she received a letter saying she was being fired. All of that is true. She did TRY to fire the librarian. Where is that proven false?

jansevillemom...your cherry picking of quotes shows your true colors. The librarian as well as the police chief were at the time part of the old establishment of her town. As stated by Councilwomen Judy Patrick in the article, “people voted change when they elected Palin and part of that is changing who is in charge.” The article also stated both of these employees publicly supported her opponent. After the election, as stated in the article the new mayor questioned the loyalty of those employees…again the voters of the city wanted things changed. She was hired to do a job and she did it. You might not like the politics behind it, but providing all the facts surrounding the case allows others to form their own opinion. Again; the true facts of this case have nothing to do with banning books. As previously proven false by factcheck.org this never happened.

retiredairforce: Do you think the earlier article was more flattering of her? You should read it. It talks about her mismanagement of the city and the talk of a recall.

Seriously, how can a LIBRARIAN be "not supporting her" unless she is referring to the book banning idea. What was the threat that Palin felt from her?

Thanks retiredairforce, now I can put the exact quote.
''I do not feel I have your full support in my efforts to govern the city of Wasilla. Therefore I intend to terminate your employment ...'' the letter said.
Is that not firing her? The police chief got the same letter and he was fired.

Palin gave the librarian a letter stating, "I am terminating your employment", it was the same letter she gave the police chief. If that isn't firing her, then what is it?

janesvillemom...funny how that same paper wrote a different account of the firing a 18 months earlier.
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/510...

The librarian was never fired that's a lie FYI

Like you would listen anyway your a full fledged liberal anyway. She could say the sky is blue and you wouldn't believe her.

Why listen to her talk when you seem to have all the answers on her.

Has Obama every authored a major bill in the US senate in his 143 days there? I can't seem to find anything on that. He has an awful lot of not presents in his voting record.

whybesad: Please tell me where I "lied". I only found one minor inconsistency (not a lie) in my understanding of Palin's postion on creationism. Maybe if she would answer some questions, we could all get a better understanding of her positions.

factcheck.org sorry

Retiredairforce:
I don't know if I ever mentioned the AIP before the factcheck post because it isn't an issue I am all that interested in. So I was not aware that Mr. Palin had dropped his membership. But I apologize for my misuse of the word "is" when it should have been "was".

Well a guess just a few lies is better than all lies. That makes a lot of sense janesvillemom. It would have been nice if you would have looked up the FACTS before you spew the liberal leftwing talking points that have been nuked by factcheck.com.

Retired airforce:
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/515512...

janesvillemom...your statement on the Alaska Independence party is misleading to those that may not have read about it. You stated Mr. Palin is a member when the truth is he “was” a member. He was registered with their party from 1995-2002. Mrs. Palin did attend their convention in 2006 while she was campaigning as a Republican for the position of Governor of Alaska.

janesvillemom...please provide a source for you statement "but she did fire the librarian after she objected to Palin's "what if" about banning books, but was rehired when the community insisted."

Your statement does not mach published news stories in Alaska from the time of the events or factcheck.org web site.

lovetoscrap:
"janesvillemom...do you forget how college is paid for? It's by credit. So, it would make sense that it would cost less to take 6 credits in one year vs. 12 credits in one year. I am pretty sure this is simple math. Something you should be able to figure out with a master's degree! "
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I DO know how college is paid for and if you are a full-time student, you can take as many credits as you want for the SAME PRICE! You can take 18 credits for the same price as 8! What a bargain!(I even checked one of the Idaho colleges she attended to make sure it wasn't different there than where I went.) She was a full-time student as far as I can tell. If she was really concerned about costs, she would have taken as many credits as possible and gotten done in 3 years!
SO where are you getting your information that it was because of costs? Did you make that up?

Sorry, I double printed the FactCheck list. Either way, MOST of what I have said, has NOT been proven wrong.

Am I missing something? MOST of my posts have NOT been proven false...only a couple of minor points. I may have said she wanted creationism, but she did fire the librarian after she objected to Palin's "what if" about banning books, but was rehired when the community insisted. Not sure if I mentioned the Alaska Independence party, but her husband is a member and she attended their convention.

HERE is what FactCheck says:
* Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.

* She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

* She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

* Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

* Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

* Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.

* She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

* She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

* Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

* Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

factcheck is an interesting site.

janesvillemom...do you forget how college is paid for? It's by credit. So, it would make sense that it would cost less to take 6 credits in one year vs. 12 credits in one year. I am pretty sure this is simple math. Something you should be able to figure out with a master's degree! Why do you continue to cut her at every angle. I can see you not agreeing with her conservative platform...but criticizing her because she took longer to finish college than you? Come on! Both her parents were elementary school teachers. They couldn't afford to pay for her education. Sheesh! You are really beginning to look desperate.

Janesvillemom most of the posts that you have posted and the statements you have said about Sarah Palin have been false per factcheck.org here's the link.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...

Those may be "talking points", but they are factual and they are things that I researched and found on on my own. I am repeating nothing from a radio show, or TV show or blog. The only one I would have to * is the one about being afraid of the media because she actually has an interview scheduled for later this week.
My point about talking points was that people were just repeating things that they heard and weren't thinking and researching for themselves.

How am I being hypocritical? I had a Master's degree after 6 years of college. She went to 5 FIVE different schools. Why? It costs a lot more to go for 6 years than for 4! So I don't see how expense can be an excuse. My parents were poor, so I got scholarships and financial aid and student loans and I WORKED HARD to get through in the least amount of time necessary so I could get to work and pay back my loans. If I had taken 6 years for a 4 year degree and then criticized her for doing the same thing, THEN I would be a hypocrite.

She took 6 years to complete college because her parents weren't able at afford two children in college and she entered beauty pageants that gave out scholarships to pay for her education. Pretty hypocritical of you to criticize a person for taking a couple extra years to get a college education. I'm sure she's the only one that has ever taken a couple more years to complete their college degree.

No I was also referring to John Edwards who cheated on his wife while she was battling cancer. Ted Kennedy is another one.

janesvillemom, you critize others for talking points (Sep 8, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.) yet your whole post "Sep 8, 2008 at 5:11 p.m." is nothing but talking points????

Hope everyone votes tomorrow.

I'm happy to say my dad is not role playing with the rest of the union workers anymore. He is not voting for Obama. Good for you dad! I'm glad your days of Baaaing are over.

I enjoy watching the left smear Sarah Palin. It is starting to take its toll on obama. He is slipping in the polls more each day. It is backfiring on the left big time. Keep up the good work!

Spank:
"you lefties should have a problem with MaCain if he had extramarital affairs you lefties embrace that stuff"
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Where do you people get this crap? Is it Rush? I need to listen to that idiot to figure out what else he is filling his sheep's heads with. Rush and Coulter (on the right) and Oberman and John Stewart (on the left) are ENTERTAINERS! They are people trying to make money off of selling books and radio ads. They keep their paychecks by saying outlandish things to get people upset and talking. If you listen to this crap as a source of your political information/opinions then you truly are sheep/lemmings/what-ever-Rush is calling us this week. TRY to find some neutral sources, try reading/listening to BOTH sides. How many "righties" watched the Democratic convention? How many "lefties" watched the Repub convention? Think about who the real "sheep" are in this country. They are on BOTH sides, but comments like yours make me think there are a LOT MORE on the right, and I wish they would all take a class on critical thinking and TRY to LEARN about issues rather than talking points.
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There's my rant for the day. :)

whybesad said,I guess it's in the DNA of the democratic party where lying and cheating and being unfaithful to your wife is just acceptable."
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This is over-the-top! I assume you are referring to Clinton? (Not a Clinton fan here) But how hypocritical can you get? McCain...had affairs, dumped his crippled wife for a wealthy beauty queen, KEATING FIVE ANYONE??? As for liars, I'd say Bush/Cheney take that award!
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The Emperess has no clothes:
( yeah, I know you're visualizing that one!)
1) Ethics reformist= currently under investigation for ethics violation.
2) Fiscal conservative=took town with $0 debt and left them with $22 MILLION of debt!
3) Abstinence only advocate was pregnant before wedding and has a pregnant unwed teen daughter.
4) Pitbull/barracuda is scared to answer questions from the media.
5) Said "Thanks but no thanks, if we want a bridge we'll pay for it ourselves" and then KEPT THE MONEY.
6) Doesn't know what a VP does...running anyway.
7) Has "experience" as Commander of Alaska National guard, but NEVER gave a command.
8) Has "foreign policy experience" because Alaska borders Canada and is the closest state to Russia!
9) Was "thoroughly vetted" even though her college records weren't checked, and her hometown newspaper wasn't checked and who knows what else.
10) Is supposed to learn enough to run this country by January, even though it took her 6 years to earn a 4 year degree!
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Once she is forced to answer the hard questions, the reality of her incompetence will come out. The current polls are based on the initial excitement of her nomination, but the new will wear off.

proartist you lefties should have a problem with MaCain if he had extramarital affairs you lefties embrace that stuff. Your article states that happened when he came home from Vietnam. He wasn't in office at that time. Can't you come up with something more recent?

Like Ted Kennedy? He never got investigated for Murder.

Roe vs. Wade is the LAW and will be upheld by conservative judges since conservative judges tend to interpret the law unlike liberal judges who tend to litigate from the bench.

whybesad: You noted "lying and cheating and being unfaithful to your wife is just acceptable." Does that also negate McCain as an unacceptable candidate since he has not shied away from admitting numerous extramarital affairs many times including on last Sunday's CNN 2-hour biography of his life and... http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/...

whybesad - the left does not love doyle

dr. talk - you are correct, just being investigated doesn't mean much. sometimes the guilty are acquited - oj, gw, etc...

Dolyey has been under investigation for a few years now. The left loves him.

Joe Biden is a plagiarist. Seems the media isn't to worried about that. I guess it's in the DNA of the democratic party where lying and cheating and being unfaithful to your wife is just acceptable.

enough says "A govenor who has executive experience is now being investigated for Abuse of Power. Is that exceptable for the possible next President?"
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You missed the key word INVESTIGATED. Actually being convicted is a different story. Just being accused or investigated for something doesn't mean anything.

Spanky John McCain was in his 20s when he was tortured. He is now 72, four bouts of cancer, this campaign has put more stress on a man that age. His Vice President is more popular then he is. He does have angry issues. Yes infact Obama may be the victim of some nut job. God forbid. Biden is very important and thank God he has a knowledge base.

Obama being black gives him a better chance of being assassinated does that mean we have to look at Biden as well as Palin? If John Macain can make it through 51/2 years being tortured every day I don't think you have to worry about his health that's a weak argument from the loony lefties.

During the Pre nomination phase of this election they called Michigan more than a depressed state. The Big three have put more than many out of work. Can you imagine in 2008 we call Michigan a depressed state. Michigan State elected politicians have begun to try to remake their state in new energy, but many of the workers only know car manufacture jobs. And the tax exempt poliicies for new energy will expire this year and Re