Former fire chief denies theft charge stemming from misuse of town's credit card

By KAYLA BUNGE , TED SULLIVAN   Friday, Aug. 8, 2008
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Craig A. Amann

— The former town of Lyons fire chief accused of using the fire department’s credit card to buy gas for his personal vehicle pleaded not guilty Thursday to misdemeanor theft.

Craig A. Amann, 34, of 2400 N. Arizona Ave., No. 1052, Chandler, Ariz., remains free on a $200 cash and $5,000 signature bond after appearing in Walworth County Court.

If convicted, Amann faces up to nine months in jail and a $10,000 fine.

According to the criminal complaint, the town’s treasurer was reviewing bills and discovered an $80 gas purchase June 12 without the fire department’s approval.

The town learned from the credit card company that the gas was bought at the Lyons Shell gas station, according to the criminal complaint.

Video surveillance at the gas station showed a man suspected of being Amann using the credit card to fill his own personal vehicle with gas, according to the criminal complaint.

The assistant fire chief told police no one had permission to use the town’s credit card to pay for personal purchases, according to the criminal complaint.

Investigators went to the Como Inn, N3461 County H, in Geneva Township July 31 and talked to Amann.

Amann initially denied using the credit card, according to the criminal complaint.

Once investigators confronted Amann with their video evidence, he claimed he had used the credit card because he had driven his personal vehicle on fire calls, according to the criminal complaint.

According to town policy, a firefighter can be reimbursed $8 for using a personal vehicle on a call, but the person must submit a request for reimbursement.

Amann was arrested and placed in jail, according to the criminal complaint.

He posted bail and was released July 31.

In court Thursday, Amann’s attorney, John Olson, told the judge his client understood the charge and its maximum penalty. He also waived Amann’s right to a speedy trial.

Judge James Carlson ordered Amann not to contact anyone at the fire department.

Amann’s next court hearing is Sept. 12 at 8:15 a.m.

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ckn_little
Jan 21, 2009 at 6:33 a.m.
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I am just now getting wind of all of this hype, but I still wanted to plead my thoughts on this... and all I can say "it's about time karma comes back to bite ya in the ass!" For those of you who thinks he shouldn't be held accountable for this, you obviously don't know him. I knew Craig thru most of High School, dated him and was months away from marrying the guy, so I can say I knew him pretty well on a personal level. Okay, so I might be coming across as the vidictive ex-fiancee, but rest assured that I am happy in my new life and I am thankful that things turned out the way they did. It doesn't change the fact that he did things in his past while I was with him that he shouldn't have and whoops... he got caught this time. So, anyone who REALLY knows him, can't exactly feel sorry for him. As Craig once said, "You do the crime, you do the time." You're probably not laughing now, are you Craig? The only person I feel sorry for is his family. While he hightails it out of state, his family has to deal with the embarrassment here in SE Wisc. To "nebeka" - thank you for your comments. When you abuse the privelege of the position you hold, you deserve what's coming to ya. What goes around comes around and it's coming around now. I knew it was just a matter of time...

call1
Nov 6, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.
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Talk about over reaction! I myself.. on several occasions have taken the wrong credit card out of my wallet & used it. Why jump right to "Thief".. Does this guy have a criminal record? If not.. Why not confront him about the $80 gas purchase, & give him the opportunity to pay it back? Walworth county has a history of abusing their volunteer fire fighters & rescue members. I'm surprised anyone would want to volunteer for anything in that county. If they want to find real wrong doing, look a little higher up on the food change over there.. Leave the unpaid volunteers alone before you have no one to fight your fires.

JCK
Oct 27, 2008 at 2:12 p.m.
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2cents,
You didn't happen to notice if he was driving his own car on that rescue mission did you?
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BTW, I just caught up with this discussion and your two previous "harassment" posts were hilarious.

my2centsworth
Sep 25, 2008 at 4:23 p.m.
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Will he be remembered for his heroism or for this petty incident?

Pagenkopf, Lake Geneva Police Sgt. Tom Giovannoni and Lyons Fire Chief Craig Amman pulled a 29-year-old man from a burning house Aug. 15 in Lyons Township.

Pagenkopf and Giovannoni arrived first, entering the house without protective clothing or oxygen masks. They called out to anyone who might be in the house, but had to leave because the smoke was too thick.

Amman arrived next, entering the house without an oxygen mask. He found the man lying face down in bed. He couldn’t move the man by himself so he called to Pagenkopf and Giovannoni for help.

The man survived.

Puttingonthewetstuff
Sep 11, 2008 at 4:33 a.m.
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Unfortunately someone got hurt and I have been scheduled to work the day of Craig's court case. Wish I could have been there.
I am in hopes that everything goes well for him & his family from here on in.
NOTE:
To my2centsworth:
Those last 2 blogs were funny as heck!
My apologies for screwing up on reveling who you were.
You are a great person and I hope other departments and firefighters appreciate what you do.

my2centsworth
Sep 5, 2008 at 4:30 a.m.
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It's always the dingbat who gets a well deserved ticket that has to stick his/her nose into something and spout off. This might just be for you:
POLICE HARASSMENT
"I would like to know how it is possible for police officer to harass people and get away with it? And where can you go for help, other than a civil attorney?"
And the answer was: "It is not easy. In California (Substitute CA for your state) we average one cop for every 2000 people. About 60% of those cops are on patrol, where we do most of the harassing. One-fifth of that 60% are on duty at any moment and available for harassing people. So, one "on duty cop" is responsible to harass about 10,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial, business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible to try to harass 20,000+ people a day. A ten hour shift runs 36,000 seconds. This gives a cop only one second to harass a person, and three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. Most cops are not up to it day in and day out. It is just too tiring. Since you now understand why we cannot harass everyone let me explain briefly what we do to utilize some special "tools" to help us narrow down who we harass, so we can focus our limited "harassing resources" to those most worthy individuals. (Continued in next section)

my2centsworth
Sep 5, 2008 at 4:28 a.m.
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They are as follows:
The Phone: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on another person for special (concentrated) harassment. "My ex-husband just beat me and my boyfriend up and he is barricaded in the bedroom with our baby and a gun", or "My neighbor is beating up his wife and she is screaming for help" are a couple code phrases that are frequently employed. Then we come out and give "special" harassment to the wife beater. Another popular one on weekends is "My neighbors are out of town and their kids are having a loud party." Cars: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive; They usually ride motorcycles so they can get around fast or cut through traffic to harass as many people as possible in their given shift. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars blasting music, cars with expired registration tags, and the like. It is lots of fun when we pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious then running a red light, going around railroad crossing arms, or driving 20+ MPH over the posted limit in a school zone. Sometimes we get to really heap the harassment on when we find they have drugs in their car, are driving drunk, are unlicensed or have an arrest warrant! Runners: Some people take off running at the mere sight of a uniformed police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a trained beagle on the scent of a bunny. After we catch them, gosh darn it if there isn't always some good reason to harass them for hours! Codes: When we can think of nothing else to do, there are books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called Codes, Penal, Vehicle, Health and Safety, Business and Professions... They each spell out all sorts of silly things for which we can really mess with people. After we study these code books, we can just drive around for a while until we find someone violating one of the listed offenses and heap on the harassment! Just last week I saw a guy smash several car windows right in front of me. Well, believe it or not, one of the code books says that is not allowed. That meant I automatically got to harass this guy...of course he didn't like it, because just when I got done harassing him, the jail deputies harassed him and that will likely continue until the judge harasses him, then he will probably be harassed by his new spouse in jail and finally get the rest of his harassment by a probation officer for the next couple of years. It is a pretty cool system that we have set up, and it works very well most of the time. We seem to have a never ending supply of folks to harass, and we "get away with it" because the good citizens pay the tab for us to keep the streets safe for them...and that civil attorney of yours. Next time you are in my town, give me that "single finger wave". That is a secret signal that you wish for me to take a closer look at you, and maybe find a reason to harass you too.

nebeka
Sep 4, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.
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listen here's to all the volunteers who do this type of work for NOTHING! And here we have someone who takes advantage of their position. I know this person and all i'm gonna say is...knock, knock. who's there? it's karma. Karma who? Karma you were a bad cop and i hope you make a better inmate.

Tenacious
Sep 1, 2008 at 7:56 p.m.
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my2centsworth, my broad statements are true! But, I can not say what I want at this time because I know more than you do. Later you may understand.

my2centsworth
Sep 1, 2008 at 1:20 p.m.
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Back on 8/8/08 I think I started a riot out here on these blogs but I don't regret it one bit. I have read many of these blogs and can see the way that some people just want to continue thinking and influencing people to think their way. I will agree on this statement that was written by Puttingonthewetstuff, “This is also narrowing suspicions down as to WHO would stoop this low to file such vindictive charges and who would support such a low life person.” I will say this to all readers of this blog; PLEASE do NOT degrade the fine efforts of the ENTIRE fire department for the ignorance of a few. Most of the personnel at that fire department have pride in their work and their community and this has degraded the entire department for no reason.
These people that are making derogatory remarks against the department are making broad statements and are ruining the integrity and teamwork of the entire department by doing so.
A funny thing happened when I was out going from garage sale to garage sale. I met this wonderful lady who recognized who I am and we had a great talk. I promised her that I would not comment on who she was or what we had talked about and that it would remain confidential between the two of us. It is amazing that after all this time I come back to view these blogs and many of the things that her and I had talked about others had written about.
After the case is finished I can almost guarantee that names will come out of the instigators who are pushing so hard to ruin a fine man’s life and family that no longer live here.
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Puttingonthewetstuff I am sure glad that we have handles here on these blogs so that we can keep our anonymity. Thanks for the kudos but now the people that started all this crap know who I am. Oh yeah! I’ll feel really safe not knowing who to trust at their fires.
Den

Tenacious
Aug 29, 2008 at 2:03 p.m.
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Puttingonthewetstuff, as far as I know the Town Treasure and Town Board have not been involved. This is all because of a few LYONS FIRE DEPT. MEMBERS. As I said before I can't imagine why anyone would want to be associated with the Lyons Fire Department.

Purrmaid
Aug 29, 2008 at 9:26 a.m.
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First he denied it, but when confronted, "he claimed he had used the credit card because he had driven his personal vehicle on fire calls."

Putting - Your conspiracy theory contains no truthful specifics. If you look at the existing facts, specifically the line referenced above, he didn't say, "It was a mistake, let me write out a check." He knew personal use of a departmental credit card was against policy, but did it anyway. Then when he's caught he has the arrogance to insult the intelligence of the investigators by trying to "justify" his theft.
His lack of integrity, every step of the way, is astounding.

Puttingonthewetstuff
Aug 28, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.
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I've been really pondering this problem and talked with others in our station and city about it also. Then I had a meeting with some people from the town I live in and they said that accidently using the cards has happened several times and there is no problem with asking the person where the money was spent and if it was accidentally spent on personal use could it be returned. They said that they have NEVER had a problem getting the answer they needed or the money returned if it was accidentally used.
Now talking with the guys here at our station we are trying to all figure out why this all started and came to a head then BINGO! Our illustrious Chief said, "When a chief is going to leave a department he would recommend to the city council the appointment of another chief for consideration." He said, "This being so; SOMEONE who is in that department who didn't get that recommendation is REALLY POed that HE didn't get the assignment and must have gotten others to back his poor hurt feelings of being let down and must have convinced the town treasurer and others that the former chief was up to no good as payback." Now what really screwed with our chief's head was why wasn't the FD's treasurer sending out the certified letter to return the money to the department if he/she wasn't involved with this fiasco?
There is going to be more on this because our chief either has, by now, or will be making some very interesting phone calls to find out why or if Craig even had the chance to pay the $80.00 back or even if he did pay it back to the city then why is this case continuing? This is getting quite interesting when you have other departments that are putting their heads together to help a fellow firefighter and it is helping us in our department so that none of this ever comes up. This is also narrowing suspicions down as to WHO would stoop this low to file such vindictive charges and who would support such a low life person.
Now if there are other departments out there; start a forum amungst yourselves and see what you think and come up with.

Purrmaid
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:03 p.m.
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Tenacious - How is calling a thief a thief being "petty"?

"Petty" is questioning the validity of a post or opinion based on the writer's gender, or attacking other posters with factless rhetoric.

The facts are, he stole, he lied and he deserves to be called on the judicial carpet for it.

Tenacious
Aug 23, 2008 at 2:54 p.m.
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What makes you think I am a man? Did I ever say I was? I'm justsaying I can't stand vicious, cruel, mean, nasty people who put their noises where they do not belong.

firefighter2000
Aug 23, 2008 at 2:19 p.m.
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It's funny that you think men can't be petty. Look at you. You wrote: "I can't imagine why anyone would want to be on the Lyons Fire Department. You never know who your friends are." and "Firefighter2000, because of people like you the tax payers of Walworth County have wasted tax money that should not have been spent. The first thing you should have done was to write a certified letter asking for the $80.00. THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED AT NO EXPENSE TO THE TAX PAPERS!
You stated "I am a fire fighter and we all know that going into the fire service means giving up your free time at the drop of a hat and at the end of the day there is no paycheck". YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE END OF THE DAY BUT, TWICE A YEAR YOU ARE GIVEN A CHECK FOR YOUR SERVICES. The Lyons Volunteer Fire Department use to be volunteer. NOT ANY MORE! It is now a part time job with compensation.
I am very ASHAMED of the few Lyons Fire Department members who have gone to great lengths to cause such HATE and DISCONTENT. I can't imagine why the decent members on Lyons Fire Department would want to have anything to do with the department as it now stands." and
"firefighter2000 it looks like you are definetly involved with the few members of Lyons Fire Department with these charges. You have so much information from someone, but NOT all the facts. You were most likely a Lyons Fire Department member at one time who has moved to another town and now they are the lucky ones to have your WONDERFUL personality on their department.
Yes I called the Walworth County Police Department about a problem we had for $2,900.00. We were informed the first thing you do is to send certified letter requesting the $2,900.00. Depending from there where this would go. It is my opinion only HATEFUL DISCONTED PEOPLE would work so hard to try and ruin a persons life, reputation, job, family, and finically over $80.00.
In time the whole truth will eventually come out!!!!!!!!" and "firefighter2000 Are you a female? It sure sounds like it to me!" and last but not least "Puttingonthewetstuff, No they are not the same person just the same sex. Men would never be petty like that! There are more important issues in life than their personal grudges." As you can see it is very apparent that you are that one with a personal grudge. In every comment you've made you have said something negative about either Lyons fire department members or females. All I have said is that the man did what he did and he is guilty. All you are capable of doing is criticizing other people because you can't make a good point about this case to save your life.

Tenacious
Aug 23, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.
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Puttingonthewetstuff, No they are not the same person just the same sex. Men would never be petty like that! There are more important issues in life than their personal grudges.

firefighter2000
Aug 22, 2008 at 10:02 p.m.
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You are so right. I used another name to make the same point. And did you know that I am also using Unknown, 2cents, janesvillian, sarah b, longtimefirefighter, AND firecraker? LOL Give me a break!

firecracker
Aug 22, 2008 at 9:54 p.m.
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What bothers me about this is that he initially denied using the card, but then when he was confronted by the video, he said he used it because he drove his personal vehicle. If it was an "honest" mistake and he grabbed the wrong card, I can't imagine that it would have gone this far. The DA's office obviously found a criminal element in this.

$80 or $8000, intentionally defrauding someone is theft. And when you're in the public eye and hold a high position of authority in the community, like it or not, you are watched like a hawk and your actions will always be under close scrutiny.

Puttingonthewetstuff
Aug 22, 2008 at 8:57 p.m.
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Why is it that "Purrmaid" and "Firefighter2000" sound like one in the same in the way of their writings?
That's good - just sign in as a different name. OK! No problem we can handel that!
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Tenacious,
Now THAT was funny! A little crude and to the point but funny nonetheless.
Come to think about it that might be why the other name was used. >;-)

firefighter2000
Aug 22, 2008 at 5:43 p.m.
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Thank you purrmaid!

Purrmaid
Aug 22, 2008 at 10:06 a.m.
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"Amann initially denied using the credit card..."

"Once investigators confronted Amann with their video evidence, he claimed he had used the credit card...."

If one element of the human character could be elevated, I would vote for "integrity." Doing the right thing, even when no one is looking.

Shame on Mr. Amann for lacking any integrity at all. Shame on him for cheating his employer, shame on him for lying to authorities, shame on him for besmirching the department, shame on him for embarassing his family.

HE set the ball in motion with HIS actions and HE alone is to blame for any tax money needed to prosecute him. If he'd followed established departmental protocol for reimbursement or owned up to his "mistake" he wouldn't be in this mess. Shame on him.

Tenacious
Aug 22, 2008 at 9:15 a.m.
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firefighter2000 Are you a female? It sure sounds like it to me!

firefighter2000
Aug 22, 2008 at 1:05 a.m.
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Someone made the comment about how we should all go to the court house and tell the treasurer where he or she could put his or her job for starting this fiasco. Are you kidding me? Now we're condemning people for doing their jobs? That's like the people who say "I hate cops." And then when you ask them why they say, "Well because I got busted for possession a couple of times and I got pulled over for speeding too." But, they are the first one's to use them when they need someone on their side. That sounds just as ridiculous as the other comment. They hate people for doing their jobs. I find it very amusing that in other comments made here people have ridiculed others for not thanking firefighters for a job well done. Then when firefighter's save their house or pet, some people still complain that they didn't get there fast enough or because of all the water damage they caused. And too many people are ungrateful in this world. Take a look around once... You are now those people. Instead of thanking someone for doing their job correctly, you are now scrutinizing them for it. However, if the shoe was on the other foot and the treasurer didn't catch it and somewhere down the road someone else did, then everyone would be saying, "Why didn't they catch it before." and "Who is to blame for missing it?" and "WHY WEREN'T THEY DOING THEIR JOB?!" That's kind of a catch 22 for the treasurer then isn't it? I mean if they didn't do their job they would be raked over the coals. And yet ironically if they do their job, then they're raked over the coals anyways as you all have proved. Now let's put the shoe on the other foot. Who wasn't doing their job? OK so a police officer or a deputy has taken an oath to uphold the law at all times, in and out of uniform. Since Mr. Amann wasn't authorized to use the fire department credit card it is considered illegal which in turn is theft which falls along the lines of not doing his job which gives anyone the right to hold him accountable for his actions. He should be ashamed of himself for pleading not guilty when they have him on video using the card mistakenly or not. The evidence is against him. He should really consider changing his plea if he cared about his new job, finances, family and reputation as much as you all seem to. He's saying he's innocent, your saying he did it accidentally, I'm saying he just did it, PERIOD. He should just fess up and take it like a man. And no I am not associated with the treasurer or anyone involved in this case and no Mr.Amann never wronged me. I believe I've never even met him before. I knew you were thinking it though! LOL My point is he should admit his fault and be done with it.

firefighter2000
Aug 22, 2008 at 1:04 a.m.
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I have never been on the Lyons fire department and I couldn't even tell you one person's name on their department. The only reason why I knew the court stuff is because of the internet. Court documents are public record and easily accessible on the internet. As for the the Walworth County S.O. telling you to send a certified letter first was because your matter was most likely a civil matter that they couldn't take any part in like someone not paying for a service rendered or someone not paying their rent. That goes to small claims court, but since he used a business credit card to make an unauthorized purchase he is being charged because that is considered theft. And besides, it doesn't matter how big or little the purchase amount. It's still illegal either way. Just like when someone is pulled over for doing 20 or 25 m.p.h. over the speed limit both are still considered speeding and very much illegal.

Puttingonthewetstuff
Aug 21, 2008 at 10:48 p.m.
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Thanks for the info on the date in question at least I know who will wind up being there in support.
Notice how this blog is still going on? This must mean something.
Craig, if you're reading this blog keep your chin up big guy and have some faith in the people that you worked with. Not all of them were AH's! There are a lot of people that think that this has gone way too far and if there is something that you need then jump in and say something on this blog. I know that you have some friends in other departments that use to work with you. This is the time to "cash in your chips" and ask for their support and /or help. We, your REAL friends, are here for you we just want you to know that.

wisconsinheat
Aug 21, 2008 at 10:24 p.m.
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Actually, firefighter2000...if you are going to start quoting the law, you really should read it first.
Your assertion that "theft of movable property which he did accidental or intentionally. It doesn't matter according to the law it is the same thing."
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In fact it DOES matter according to the law.
INTENTIONALLY is a major component of the statute you cited.

Tenacious
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:45 p.m.
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firefighter2000 it looks like you are definetly involved with the few members of Lyons Fire Department with these charges. You have so much information from someone, but NOT all the facts. You were most likely a Lyons Fire Department member at one time who has moved to another town and now they are the lucky ones to have your WONDERFUL personality on their department.

Yes I called the Walworth County Police Department about a problem we had for $2,900.00. We were informed the first thing you do is to send certified letter requesting the $2,900.00. Depending from there where this would go. It is my opinion only HATEFUL DISCONTED PEOPLE would work so hard to try and ruin a persons life, reputation, job, family, and finically over $80.00.

In time the whole truth will eventually come out!!!!!!!!

firefighter2000
Aug 20, 2008 at 10:25 p.m.
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The next court date is September 12th at 8:15a.m. in room 3060. Gibbs is the judge. His plea is not guilty and he is being charged with Theft of Movable Property less than $2500.00 under state statute 943.20(1)(a). I just also want to point out that in the charges it doesn't say accidental theft of movable property or intentional theft of movable property. It just says theft of movable property which he did accidental or intentionally. It doesn't matter according to the law it is the same thing.

firefighter2000
Aug 20, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.
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my2centsworth: That's great that he thanked all the people that came to his house, but you missed my point. My point was that we aren't in this job for the glory or for the praise of others. We are here because it's in our blood or it's our passion. For those firefighters who are here for the Glory (Gloryboys we call them) Then they are here for the wrong reasons like you have pointed out because sometimes it is a thankless job. As for am I the one pushing this through? LOL I don't even live in Lyons or work there for that matter. News just travel's fast. Whether it was an accident or not it is still illegal. You said that these people should just let him pay back the $80.00 and let him go on with his life and not have him lose his job and get into debt. Well he could save himself the trouble and admit he was wrong the first day of court instead of fighting it and I'm sure they would be lenient. But since he got a lawyer and lied to police it's not looking so good for him right now.

Tenacious: Like I told my2cents worth, I am not on Lyons Fire Department and I don't work for the Town of Lyons. And yes some fire departments out there still don't get payed and are volunteer. I think it's funny that you think that sending a certified letter would have solved this whole problem. If someone stole $80.00 from you would you send them a certified letter to get it back?! LOL No you would go to the police and in your words "waist Walworth County tax dollars." Well I hate to break it to you, but if they didn't spend the tax money on this it would have been on something else. And besides, that's what we pay taxes for in the first place. As for the Lyons firefighters who still want to have a part in the department, well if it were my department that was going through this, I would think why let one person ruin it for everybody else? You don't see basketball players all up and quit because one guy did something illegal. The rest still move on no matter how scandalous the actions were of the former play. However, now people are going to look down on their fire department because of their former Chief's actions. People are going to believe that they are thieves and liars too. So in my opinion they have every right to be upset. They are the one's that have to stay here and deal with it while he's in AZ or jail. Whatever. What I can't understand is why anyone would be upset at the fire department for holding someone responsible for their actions accidental or not. You may accidently set someone's house on fire, but you are still held responsible. You may unintentionally kill someone in a car accident, but you are still held responsible. There is no one else to blame in this matter. It's very clear who did it and whether it was accidental or not he is being held responsible.

Puttingonthewetstuff
Aug 20, 2008 at 10:02 p.m.
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Come to think of it can someone tell me when this is going to court? I want to be there to give the court the frickin' $80.00 myself and tell them what has been said on these blogs in support of Craig. Matter of fact I found that there are many blogs in support of Craig. If we all get together we could tell the treasurer where he can put HIS/HER job for starting this fiasco.

Puttingonthewetstuff
Aug 20, 2008 at 9:48 p.m.
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Firefighter2000:
I know who "my2centsworth" is and he is a guy I admire. This man is a fire photographer for several of the fire departments out here in Walworth County. He does this on his own time with his own money and his own equipment and he is appreciated by most departments.
Not only will I agree with what he had said but I will add that I was on one of the other fire trucks that pulled on scene that afternoon and everything he described is extreamly accurate including the point that Craig & his wife thanked the people that showed up at his house. What did you want a kiss & hug from him?
Craig didn't take off and "suddenly" move as you stated. Craig had been trying very hard to make the grade so that he could get on the county sherrif's department down there in AZ and when he finally made it he was very happy & had pleanty of time to sell his belongings in their moving sale over a two week period. Quit trying to make it seem like he took off running with a whole $80.00 to AZ. This whole thing is way out of whack and he should have been asked to repay it - period! I'm getting to the point that I can actually say I am ashamed to say I am from SE Wisconsin with the way people act. One more thing I can't stand is nobody knows how to say thank you or that was a job well done or anything like that. Not only to the FD and the PD but every thing in general.

Tenacious
Aug 20, 2008 at 11:26 a.m.
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Firefighter2000, because of people like you the tax payers of Walworth County have wasted tax money that should not have been spent. The first thing you should have done was to write a certified letter asking for the $80.00. THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED AT NO EXPENSE TO THE TAX PAPERS!

You stated "I am a fire fighter and we all know that going into the fire service means giving up your free time at the drop of a hat and at the end of the day there is no paycheck". YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE END OF THE DAY BUT, TWICE A YEAR YOU ARE GIVEN A CHECK FOR YOUR SERVICES. The Lyons Volunteer Fire Department use to be volunteer. NOT ANY MORE! It is now a part time job with compensation.

I am very ASHAMED of the few Lyons Fire Department members who have gone to great lengths to cause such HATE and DISCONTENT. I can't imagine why the decent members on Lyons Fire Department would want to have anything to do with the department as it now stands.

my2centsworth
Aug 19, 2008 at 9:26 p.m.
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You said,
"Well did you know that a few months back his house in Wisconsin got struck by lightning and his own fire department and also a surrounding fire department showed up to fight the fire? Do you think he went to every firefighter individually that showed up that night and thanked them personally? No instead he stole $80.00 from the same agency that showed up to his house for an emergency and left town like nothing ever happened and then when questioned by police lied about it! He deserves everything he gets!"
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Well, here is where things get personal.
#1 I was there as the third vehicle at his house that rainy afternoon. To prove it the house got hit near the tree & burned the lights on the gutter and put a 6" hole in the ground. Next, Yes, I did actually hear him thank several others and me for being there and his wife did also. Now if he didn't thank you well, maybe you ran back to your vehicle before he had that chance or you didn't hear it or you have a personal problem with him.
Next, when confronted with the use of the card he said no he didn't use it. He didn't even realize that he did it until he was shown the tape.
Wait a minute... Are YOU the one who is pushing this to go through because YOU had a grudge with him? Hmmmmm? Something doesn't sound right here. You are WAY to much against this guy. Let him pay the stinkin' $80.00 and let him get his life together with his family in AZ. Quit trying to ruin him, his career, his family & get into debt with lawyers.
One more thing: When I said that people don't give a fat rat's @$$ about him helping his community let me tell you that it seems that the only ones who care about fire & EMT personnel are the people who have needed their service - and that is maybe only 75% of them. They even bitch about their house burning to the ground even though they never invested in smoke detectors for themselves. But it's the fire departments fault for not putting it out and it's their fault for the water damage. Too many people are ungratefull in this world!
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firefighter2000
Aug 18, 2008 at 12:54 p.m.
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First off I believe you are all ignorant if you believe that he didn't know he was using the fire department credit card. It was just conveinent that he was leaving for AZ. And if it was an accident then why didn't he tell anyone about it so he could pay back the fire department? Or for that matter why did he lie about it to the police when questioned? You also say that it's just $80.00 and he should be allowed to pay it back and be on his way, but what if someone stole $80.00 from you and when the police showed up after you called them they told you it's just $80.00 get over it. How upset would you be? As a firefighter myself for several years I find this very upsetting. Some of the comments that I have heard and seen are even more upsetting. The one that caught my eye the most was this comment made by my2centsworth.

"Yeah, I know, "If you let one get away with it then they'll all want to." What about when he helped save lives and property? How many people actually gave a fat rat's @$$ and thanked the man for being there? Right! Nobody! Why? Because they say, "It's your job!" Now how many of you know that the job of being a firefighter and risking your life is done for free? Would you do that??? Remember that when the fire department comes out to help YOU!!"

Well like I said before I AM a firefighter and we all know that going into the fire service means giving up your free time at the drop of a hat and at the end of the day there is no paycheck. We also learn very quickly that when you are a firefighter you are ALWAYS in the public eye and people rarely see you as anything else. You have got to set an example when you belong to a government run agency. People generally define you by your job title and not by your personality. That is just one of the downfalls to being a firefighter. You are rarely painted as anything else. The other thing that really ticks me off is in that same comment it says,

"What about when he helped save lives and property? How many people actually gave a fat rat's @$$ and thanked the man for being there? Right! Nobody!"

We are NOT above anyone just because of the job we do. We are tax paying, LAW abiding citizens just like everybody else! We have to follow the same rules no exceptions! If we get caught speeding, we get a ticket, if we steal anything including $80.00 in gas we go to jail. Also you said that he has saved lives and property and you bet that nobody thanked him for being there. Well did you know that a few months back his house in Wisconsin got struck by lightning and his own fire department and also a surrounding fire department showed up to fight the fire? Do you think he went to every firefighter individually that showed up that night and thanked them personally? No instead he stole $80.00 from the same agency that showed up to his house for an emergency and left town like nothing ever happened and then when questioned by police lied about it! He deserves everything he gets!

LongTimeFireFighter
Aug 12, 2008 at 11:10 p.m.
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I guess I am on the slow boat having just heard of this. Being on a surrounding fire department for many years I can see both sides.....However, in response to many many comments, you sign up as a volunteer, not expecting to be paid ANYTHING!! You do it to help and give back to your community not get from them. If Fire Fighter's and EMT's in the surrounding area's of Walworth County are on Volunteer Departments to make some money, someone along the way advised you wrong! If you got no reimbursement would you stop helping your communities? I hope not, or the world is getting worse then I thought. So.....in regards to the article topic, wrong is wrong, reimbursement comes from the department not self reimbursement, or at least that is how I have always known things in this area. To initally deny it means you have had something to hide and the inital reaction is back pedal and think what to do. There have been a lot of really good Fire Fighters in Wisconsin in the past couple years who have made bad decisions and had to pay the price. At some point I hope everyone remembers why they began doing this and if you have forgotten and don't care anymore, do us all a favor and hang your helmet up in style.

please101
Aug 10, 2008 at 10:54 p.m.
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I can'tbelieve that this is over $80.00. Give me a break. As the chief who knows how many miles he drove, hours he worked, etc all unacounted for. Based on what the article says he should just repay the 80 bucks, say he sorry and let everyone get on with their lives. How much is this $80 going to cost everyone in the long run.

Tenacious
Aug 10, 2008 at 6:44 p.m.
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I can't imagine why anyone would want to be on the Lyons Fire Department. You never know who your friends are.

narcolepsyman
Aug 10, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.
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nurse4u
Aug 10, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.
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Scooby dooby doo!! LMAO, that was a good one garyprimer!

pickygirl
Aug 10, 2008 at 10 a.m.
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as a tax payer of lyons this irritates me. so if the chief starts filling his vehicles, what kind of example is he setting for the rest of the people on the fire dept? so, i need gas in my car, should i ask the town to pay for it? i think not! nobody forces these people to volunteer their time, they choose to. so being that, they also should understand that the reimbursment rate is what it is. ALSO...to those that think they know it all.....mr. amann resigned from the town of burlington police department on a hush-hush situation, and he did not own a house anywhere in lyons when they moved. SOOOOO.....my2centsworth, get your story right. what he did was wrong, and i'm sure a much larger story is looming behind what we are going to hear....

please, do not misunderstand my great respect to those that do give a lot of their time to volunteer to protect the town, i appreciate the HONEST ones.

TheAnswerIs42
Aug 9, 2008 at 12:35 p.m.
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I think the headline says it best "misuse". Not "theft".

garyprimer
Aug 9, 2008 at 11:43 a.m.
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Has anyone out there paid for a purchase with the wrong card or am I the only one?

garyprimer
Aug 9, 2008 at 11:40 a.m.
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Just another reason to make people think again before serving the public. Thank God that we foiled this man's brilliant plan of infiltrating the fire department, gaining their trust, filling his truck with gas, and fleeing to Arizona. And he would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for you meddling kids.

TheAnswerIs42
Aug 9, 2008 at 10:29 a.m.
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Waterfront- its both the amount and nature of the "crime". To me he was trusted with the "business" credit card and he violated that trust. He should repay the "business". But again- nature and amount. He didn't rob a bank for goodness sakes!

nurse4u
Aug 8, 2008 at 10:55 p.m.
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This is over $80 in gas? Hard to believe.

SarahB
Aug 8, 2008 at 8:34 p.m.
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Not knowing any details other than those given in the article, I tend to agree with My2centsworth. If they didn't try to settle this privately before notifying authorities, then I think they made an error in judgment. To likely ruin the guy's future over a stupid, petty move by him is truly sad. How many of us have not made a serious mistake in our lives? I hope everything turns out OK on this one.

TheAnswerIs42
Aug 8, 2008 at 7:30 p.m.
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I agree, Janesvillian. However, I think calling the police is a little tacky without first letting the guy pay it back.

Keep in mind I may feel differently if I knew the full story; I'm just going off what is in the article.

janesvillean
Aug 8, 2008 at 7:11 p.m.
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Well, since he tried to deny it, I guess he knew he screwed up and hoped to get out of it somehow. That's not the same as a "whoops!"
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And I don't think that because somebody forgot to put in for reimbursement that they should be allowed to just dip into the municipal coffers any time they feel like it.

TheAnswerIs42
Aug 8, 2008 at 6:55 p.m.
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Wouldn't the proper way to handle this is let him know that he did not fill out a request for reimbursement and the charges are not authorized. Give him the opportunity to pay it back. I can't imagine calling police over something like this.

my2centsworth
Aug 8, 2008 at 6:47 p.m.
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I forgot to add that I have mistakenly taken the wrong credit card out of my wallet a few times and used my business card for personal use. When the bank sheets come at the end of the month I see that I bought groceries on the business card and supplies on my personal card. Big deal. Should I get a warrent out for myself or should I just straighten out the problem myself? Of course people in office don't make mistakes do they?

my2centsworth
Aug 8, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.
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OK! So it wasn't right to fill his tank without asking... but come on. These people are asked to risk their lives every day they go out and they are "allowed" $8.00 for gas? What about all the times people forget to request that $8.00?
Yeah! I know, let's rip him a new one just because he left for a better job somewhere else. Right? Gee! When he was in Burlington at his other job of being a cop he must have given this person a ticket.
Is a stinking lously $80.00 worth ruining a man's career & life? Give me a break.
Gee! Last I heard is that Chief left the area to become a County Sheriff in AZ where the inmates where pink and live in tents.
Sold the house, had a garage sale to sell most of their possessions and was happy to leave and start his new job.
When he comes back he gets to wear orange instead of pink and I'll bet 10:1 he doesn't have his job back in AZ all because of a stupid $80.00 in gas and someone who couldn't wait to stick it to him for wanting to do better for his family. At least let him give the frickin' $80.00 back and chaulk it up to a farewell present and just tell the man, " Good luck on your new job."
Yeah, I know, "If you let one get away with it then they'll all want to." What about when he helped save lives and property? How many people actually gave a fat rat's @$$ and thanked the man for being there? Right! Nobody! Why? Because they say, "It's your job!" Now how many of you know that the job of being a firefighter and risking your life is done for free? Would you do that??? Remember that when the fire department comes out to help YOU!!

2Cents
Aug 8, 2008 at 4:21 p.m.
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Ooops..he denied the allegations, was shown proof with a video tape, then admits yes, he did use the card. Now he is wasting time pleading not guilty. Why not just take your punishment and be done. Eye roll!

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