Bust nets eight pounds of pot

Gazette staff...shut this commentary down. Has gone way beyond relevancy.

Wait... Did that say that the Janesville police made an arrest of actual consideration. We should all feel more safe knowing that there will be less marijuana in town.

But, now what what will the college kids do when they are playing GTA4?

I was tossed out of DA by twelve dwarfs.

I might start my own AA program where apologizing to the people who caused our drinking problems isn't required.

he DID say he had hundreds of apologies to offer...could be gone for a while, I suppose...

:)

I think he's still there ms sassy

so how did your DA meeting go gazettefan? make all of those apologies? hehe

Admirable.

na. I spent my evening with my kids. I can decide when a good time to smoke is and when I should pay attention to the things I can't live without...like the love and companionship of family. I have some great kids! Happy Mother's Day, by the way, to the mothers out there in GazetteXtra land...

I don't doubt you're seeing rainbows right about now, sassy. Good for you.

btw: I think you would be very, no, EXTREMELY surprised by the representation that pot smokers around the country would bear to witness.

There is the cream of the crop and the bottom of the barrel in every crowd. Don't rule out the possibility that there is a HUGE spectrum of people in between. That spectrum, just like in a rainbow, is what makes life so colorful.

ok, gazettefan, I will leave you to your meeting of DA...
Don't forget your 12-step book, as you may need to read some sections aloud to the rest of the group...

What kind of attendance do these DA meetings garner? Or is it possible that you are just seeing doubles and triples because of your rum, and you are "the group"?

gazettefan i am honored that you would assume i'm high, as its a day off work for me, i usually would be. I haven't smoked that "demon giggle weed" yet today.. within a few hours i will though!

Then, sassy, it's a matter of what sources are credible. And that puts us back on square-one: Selective perception again overrides.

As for your claim that I've been "stereotyping", coupled with your presentation here, I might consider the possibility that you and the circle you move in are true accounts, but still not representative of the pot smoking world.

You state directly what your "truth" is without weak analogies, sad syllogisms, and false moralizing.

Now leave me alone about the dwarfs. I'm in DA (Dwarfs Anonymous), and I have hundreds of dwarfs to apologize to.

I never forget. I have a memory like an elephant. And you are correct. You can get anything on the internet. It's knowing not only how to find something but also how to verify the source. The source is the important part.

So, tell me again why you throw dwarfs in your free time and exactly how many calories can you burn doing it? Do you work up a sweat?

sassy..., are you kidding? It's thekid... and haeight ( http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2008/feb... ) with all the links.

I say, just go with what you know and your ability to say it, here. All the other stuff is clutter. You can get stuff on the net that agrees with you on anything. Are you sure about the giggle-weed right now, maybe you smoked some and forgot!

And, westside, you're definitly high!!!

gazettefan answer me......i want a personalized jersey the color GREEN and I want my number to be 420

but it IS 4:20 now, so...I'll check in with you all later!

sassy..., my choice works for me. Direct your comments to the dwarfs.

I was cracking up because it seems you don't trust many people's comments without statistical proof or scientific data to support it. Apparently I've won my way into your graces somehow, and it can't just be on my good looks. so now this is no laughing matter...and no, I'm NOT on the giggle weed...

gazettefan, is that a legal sport? If so where can I get the papers to participate ha

so what you're telling me is that you knowingly and voluntarily participate in dwarf-throwing 3X/wk and think that pot-smokers make bad choices??? interesting.... lol

Glad you have no links etc. Had enough of that with the thekid... and haeight. I'd rather just trust your observations. You wouldn't lie, would you?

Don't know what cracked you up about your own post. Are you on the giggle-weed now?

not kidding. Like I said, it's just an observation. I don't have any statistics or links to any reports to prove my stance. So does that indicate you will not believe me, or do you know me well enough to trust my observations on that basis alone? I can't help myself. I just crack myself up sometimes...and the "crack" was not intended, but it just happened that way...

No, not when I'm juiced. I don't get hangovers.

Surprising about what you've observed re: weight and pot smokers and cocaine users and crackheads. Are you kidding?

by the way, gazettefan, are you all juiced up, when you participate in your dwarf-throwing exercise routine, or hungover?

as has been stated a million times here, the effects of pot smoking are different with different people. I do not encourage dwarf-tossing; however, I have found that I can keep my "girlish figure" by working hard when I work and playing hard when I play. By the way, I think there are more overweight cocaine and crack addicts than there are overweight pot smokers...I could be wrong of course. This is just an observation I've made.

do you really want to get back in to Mensa? I wouldn't, if they asked me to leave. I would find an intelligent network elsewhere...like, say the GazetteExtra forum...just a thought. :)

What about Bacardie's Select?

How bad would my munchies get? I burn off my rum-calories with thrice-a-week dwarf-tossing.

i give mr gazette man 2 more weeks and he'll join us ms sassy! and yes i did enjoy the music of jimi, bob, petty and others before i found my "relaxation method"

I don't think so, gazettefan, there's no contra-indication with brandy or Mike's Hard Lemonade, either. That settles it. I think Captain Morgan would encourage it, as well.

I got thrown out of Mensa for being a know-it-all. Will pot use get me back in?

Hey Westside, I think we can definitely get gazettefan to come to "the dark side" with us...He's starting to waver a bit, don't you think?

Does pot use contra-indicate rum?

Spokesman: Jack Nicholson/Easy Rider style.

"Ooohh, I've gotta a helmet!"

I guess I shouldn't have fed you any ammunition to continue with your stereotypical views...my bad.

No black lights, headbands, posters or Bob Dylan, thanks. Maybe a little Jimi Hendrix and Pink Floyd, though.

Musical tastes differ among the pro-pot smokers, too, gazettefan. I'm sure you must find it difficult to believe, though. Since you also find it difficult to believe that one can ALSO carry on a normal life, in spite of our seemingly horrible and corrupt lifestyle of being pot smokers.

Perhaps you might want to give it a try. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "pusher".

westside, he's on the tunnel blog.

ps. i've been gone for a few days. Where has thekid been?

haha gazettefan, jingle jangle i haven't heard that phrase used in quite a while! Ms. sassy: thekid, thekai and I could educate you so you could be our dream leader! Also we just need to turn gazettefan on to legalization and he'd be a hell of a spokesperson!

With plenty of Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan records, black lights, posters, and NO incense --headbands, optional. The test goes till the jingle-jangle mornin'.

awww. I can ALMOST feel the love, gazettefan! Although I would never agree to "head" up a pro-legalization post. I am too fearful that I would get thrown into the crowbar motel. I have never seen the inside of a jail and I don't intend to do so.

Good idea about testing, gazettefan. Maybe we can see if there is an AMOUNT of marijuana in one's system: test when they first arrive and then get them stoned. Then take another test. Meanwhile, have a good movie and a pizza available. oh, and a couch...Review the differences between the first and second tests.

I don't know! And you want ME to be the spokesman for this project? I don't think I'm adequately qualified.

Doesn't mean I don't support legalization of marijuana for personal use, of course.

color...., my post had had nothing to do with the truth of the Mayan story. It had to do with how it fails to promote your cause. Your posts defending the use of pot reveal deep alienation.

Also, it's you who should be checking things out: Lemmings jumping off cliffs en mass is a MYTH.

Barring the possibility that your post was sarcastic: Yes, you would do well to have a juicer articulate your cause. Under no circumstances should you leave it to a pot head. Except, like I said before, ms...sassy.

"Marijuana lets the user see right through people and their true motives"

Yeah, that's what it does.

gazettefan, i want you as capaign manager!!!

Yeah the Mayan thing is purely myth, and dictionary.com is wrong too! It was copy/paste directly from the link. If you didn't notice the definition, it was about halfway down the page. Like most Lemmings, you go directly for the first available information, and then accept it as word one. If you were to dig a little deeper, things aren't always as they first appear. I guess that is the Lemming/programmed/brainwashed modus operandi you live by huh? I bet you have way more experience with using Marijuana than most people here. My opinions aren't valid, but yours are. Thanks for the input, by your inference I will stop posting, most like you are WAY too smart for me anyway! I guess I will keep to running my business and stay off this blog. I was just bored this weekend because of the weather. NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL, LISTENERS CAN’T TELL WHICH IS WHICH. Native American Proverb.

Without counting, I might have to conside the point that at least half the posts here are pro-pot smoking or pro-pot legalization; though I do doubt that this is a representative sample of how the American public feels about this issue.

I suggest that with all this support, the pro-pot people here form a local group for the purpose of promoting the legalization of pot nationally. Then keep us posted on your progress.

Suggest that ms...sassy be chosen to head this effort. She has proven to be the most articulate and level-headed in her defense of pot smoking here.

colorsand, your recent posts, especially your last two, creak under the weight of self-condemnation. You should re-read them.

for the truly dim....
Lemming:

The act of following the crowd into an investment that will inevitably head for disaster.

source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/L...

Have you ever seen how the Mayan peoples use Peyote (Mescaline) in a responsible way to see inside themselves and to view the world unclouded by outside influence? In a similar, yet less effective way, Marijuana lets the user see right through people and their true motives. Now we can't really allow people to be influenced by their own unmolested view of the world can we? Just think of the position that would place our government in. I think you can see the government’s motivation in not legalizing this substance. We can't have the country's population running around and thinking for themselves can we Lemming?

For everyone's information, the constant comparison to alcohol is because....GUESS WHAT? ALCOHOL IS A DRUG!!!! Legal-Yes. A drug-Yes.

So MANY Lemmings, woefully too few cliffs for them to run off! Take a look at how many responses this story garnered. Then take a close look at the majority opinion. The result speaks for itself.

I just don't understand the constant comparison to alcohol. If you want to show the benefits of pot, don't start off by saying it is better than... an item you say is bad.
When comparing it to something that you consider bad, you are in a sense saying well it is bad, but not as bad as...
Here's an example why that type of arguement does not work.
Let' say I am pulled over for speeding and I tell the officer...Hey it's not like I am a killer or drug dealer...and on this road the speed limit is to low anyway so the law should be changed so you quit picking on us speeders.
The issue is not wether pot is good or bad but that you are breaking the law.

Cont.

How much farther will the self thinking American citizen let this kind of government control escalate? I think people need to wake up from their slumber and take a look at what is going on around them. One day in the future every citizen will be in a prison setting that is under computer control and NO ONE will be able to get out!
Lets move away from our thoughts that the U.S.A. is the savior of the world and does very little evil-indeed we used to be that entity-and start to realize that when we conquered Germany and the Nazis, we went in and took possession of all Hitler’s ideas on ways to control and regulate society-and then reformulated them-spoon fed them ever so gradually into our society and today some accept it as evolutionary thinking, progress and correct. Our gov has reintroduced the very same concepts to control and dominate our once free and great society EXACTLY the same way Hitler did. To top it all off your grandfathers and grandmothers fought, made GREAT personal sacrifice and many died to prevent that kind of gov control. Now we willingly let them do it to us!!!!
I bet all the people who died in vain to protect our freedoms and way of life are VERY proud of where their sacrifice has led us!
Laugh at me while you can, because I ASSURE you that your descendants will be crying and gnashing their teeth at what WE willingly accepted from our government.

Let’s legalize the things that DON’T matter-and turn our attention to matters that are FAR more important than what a person consumes or does in the privacy of their own domain! Yes there will ALWAYS be people who abuse the privilege. If drugs are illegal-alcohol is illegal!
One last note, did you ever notice how MAN tries to synthesize a chemical that occurs naturally? Most often to disastrous result. Remember GOD created the root ingredients of most recreational drugs, a mentally challenged HUMAN caveman discovered how to “manufacture” alcohol on a fluke! Look at our track record people, who do you, place your trust in; GOD or a human being?

In the U.S.A. it is not about what should/should not be legal, it is about making laws-or refusing to make things legal that really ought to be. (non violent/recreational activity performed in a private setting-like your home) This is especially true when that activity should be of no consequence to anyone except the individual.
Let’s take a real quick look at alcohol. Alcohol has caused more grief to the public, ruined more lives and affected more innocent people over the course of human existence than all other recreational substances people indulge in combined. That is alcohol in one group-all other drugs combined in the other. Alcohol should be illegal as well as ANY other drug if you want to align yourself with the “government needs to regulate every aspect of your existence” crowd. (after all; we are only looking out for your welfare) I believe the gov’s opinion is to lockup as criminals many people as they can. If you think I am way off base, just take a look at WORLDWIDE population density in other countries compared to percentage of people under incarceration.
I have said and continue to believe - that the U.S.A. government will NOT be happy until they can implant a chip in your brain to read your thoughts, deduct a monetary fine electronically from your electronic funds account (paperless-monitored transactions) and jolt you with an electrical charge to incapacitate you until Johnny law comes to take you to jail. Eventually the technology will be advanced to punish you BEFORE you ever commit a crime-that equals impure thoughts as determined by the sinless ones.
I was the one who predicted 25 years ago that you will be crouched down, smoking a cigarette behind your garage on a Wednesday night, and Johnny law will be there to arrest you. You will be heavily fined and sent to prison for your “crime”!!!! I think I was only about 10 years off with that prediction. The gov is already making laws on what is acceptable or not acceptable to consume as food, (think trans-fat content NYC) what is politically correct to utter in public, ad infinitum!

ms...sassy, should the person being tested be high on pot at the time?

yeah, "just say no" worked so well (sarcasm)

Anyway, the point I was attempting to make is that when pot is legal, the excitement of doing something "risky" is reduced. so a teen isn't going to be as likely to try to sneak it and then get into a cycle of other risky behaviors. Therefore, when a teen reaches adulthood s/he will be able to make a responsible decision to use marijuana or not.

The same can be said of countries where there is no drinking age. I believe Sweden does not even have a legal drinking age and the children grow up around it so the appeal has "worn off".

Again, I would like to reiterate for about the thousandth time, IT IS ALL ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY. Not having a drinking age here in these United States would be about like the proverbial bull in the china shop ending. I can smell DISASTER already, given the level of dysfunction in so many families. Perhaps before we legalize pot (sorry thekid, but I have to say it...) we should have anyone interested in smoking pot take a test to see if they have the ability to use it responsibly. Kind of like a "learner's permit". The same can be said about testing before having children, or getting married or...the list can go on for days...I don't understand what has happened to this country, but it seems that nobody gives a damn about anybody but themselves. I digress. Sorry.

no, i have never snatched a purse. so i wouldn't comment on that if that was the subject. like i said you are all commenting on something you either never did or did long ago and are now against it. either way you have nothing to bring to the conversation.

Roll by my hisnatch and smoke a B bra, we got the sticky ickey up in this joint fo sho!

Hey, normalcitizen, those dutch kids stopped wearing wooden shoes for a good reason!!!

just say no

Just to let gazettefan (and anyone else) know, I'm not kid. I am someone new to the forum.

Also, I don't think I saw ANYONE (pro or anti legalization) say they wanted teens and children to smoke pot. I don't even know what that post is even trying to say. Couldn't the same be said of alcohol that it would cause depression or suicidal thoughts in teens and children?

Also, the effects of alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, aspirin, etc. are different for each and every person. Alcohol & Tobacco are mentally AND physically addictive. We all agree there? Marijuana has never been physically addictive in the years that I smoked. It can be mentally addictive, though. Then again, so can food be mentally addictive for some people. (People who eat when they are depressed or stressed out.) You body doesn't start to shake involuntarily when you can't smoke like with alcohol. It doesn't do what tobacco does (nicotine fit), and you don't get violently ill like with heroin and cocaine (neither of which I have done, but have known some people who did). Also, Oxycodone/oxycontin/vicodin/morpheine and opioids and are extremely addictive, and are from the same plant that heroin is made of. I am sure we know of a Brett Farve or Rush Limbaugh that has gotten addicted to that. I can base my judgement on this type of drug from those people's experience, and my limtited, legitimate exposure to these pain killers.

Marijuana is NOT the evil drug it was made out to be in the 30's. The criminalization of it was based on propaganda, fear mongering, and money loss by the rich.

And another thing, EVERY drug I have listed on this post goes through some sort of process by man. Alcohol is distilled/brewed/fermented. Tobacco, well I think the facts are well publicized there with additives to keep people addicted, rate of burn, etc. Cocaine from plant, but refined. The opioids from a plant, but processed. Aspirin - where does that come from? The only process that Marijuana goes through is drying, but that isn't exactly altering its natural form.

That dutch teens are smarter than american teens.

there is also a study by the British Medical Journal that states American teens use pot 5 times more than dutch teens, where its legal to smoke if you are over 18.

What does that lead you to believe?

at one point I did post a comment that if marijuana is legalized, there would be no need to screen for it.

At the time I posted that, I was thinking of it from a Worker's Comp standpoint. I worked in HR for a time and I know that (at that time, which was many years ago) it was difficult to ascertain alcohol in one's system-length of time passed from consumption until the time of injury on the job and the correlation between the two.

My thoughts were that since then there has been research done and can now verify blood alcohol content in differing degrees of lapses of time, based on weight, etc. My comment was that they will need to have better testing methods in order to ascertain if someone is injured at work if it is related to them working while impaired on the job or they had consumed marijuana 2 or 3 weeks ago...

I'm not disputing that working while under the influence of marijuana is irresponsible and has the potential to have catastrophic results depending on the nature of one's job.

Made out of hemp. I don't think so.

Justsaynotomath Using the anolgy of safe sex and pot. Are you trying to corner the market on pot condoms?

what happened jsvlparkergrad, too much poutine this week? :}

What I HAVE BEEN SAYING all along, is that using pot is an ADULT activity, of the using adult's choice...not for children. I say that for this reason: for the most part, a child is not responsible enough to drive a vehicle responsibly, a child is not responsible enough to drink alcohol responsibly, a child is not responsible enough to attend school every day-if given the choice...

Let's focus on RESPONSIBILITY folks. Everything in moderation....taking care of business...

Pot, alcohol, Xanax, Seroquel-it doesn't matter what we're talking about. Until people LEARN that life is about taking responsibility and that no pill/drug/drink is going to fix your problem (especially a problem that you created yourself, by perhaps being irresponsible) is out there. I don't think anyone ever said it is, but people who are SO AGAINST pot have NO IDEA of how it can ENHANCE a RESPONSIBLE PERSON'S life. Not fix, but not ruin, either.

The same government that would regulate the sale and manufacture of marijuana would be the one that would take the thugs "out of business", would ensure that I am not getting crack cocaine cut into the mix, would have the ability and authority to regulate who to sell to and in what quantities.

ms_sassy: your comment: "I would never condone the legal use of marijuana prior to reaching adult age (18? 21?)."
The operative word being LEGAL. So this means you would condone ILLEGAL use of pot in underage people, just as you now condone illegal use of pot for anyone now now? Just like underage drinking is "condoned" now?
If adults want to use pot legally, fine. But teens are the worst group to allow smoking pot (or ingesting it in other forms). For some reason, there are a lot of medications they are finding now meant to help teens actually have more negative consequences. Aspirin, for example, is unsafe to use in kids and teens, because of Reyes Syndrome. But I have seen many posters here saying, "Let's use pot for ADHD and other problems". I'm sure there are parents out there that are already doing their own biased "clinical trials" for this anyway.
As for not doing drug testing for THC if it is made legal, I think that would open a big can of worms, since THC has such a long duration in the body. So it would be fine if the guy piloting an airplane I'm flying on tests positive for THC, but we can't prove whether that pilot is presently stoned or it was from smoking pot 2 weeks prior? Sorry, but I would not want to take that chance.
I believe it was ms_sassy who said if pot were legal, no drug tests would be need for THC as a condition of employment. That is also wrong. I know that in my profession, having THC showing up positive in a random drug test would mean termination. The same holds true if alcohol shows up on the drug screen, and that is legal now.
And I see here that if pot is legalized, all the pot smokers would want the government to regulate it? The same government which you distrust so totally now? So the gov't legalizes pot and the paranoia suddenly vanishes?
Just some observations I've seen.

justsay...., nice try to get someone to admit they've committed a criminal act.

I take it you refrain from being a purse snatcher because you tried it and didn't like it.

how can anyone on here claim to know everything about smoking pot if you have never smoked it ? thats like telling people what it is like to have sex when you have never had it. people will tell you sex can cause std's and pregnancy but then you find out you can use protection. so please spare me all the opinions since you have never done it and do not know what you are talking about. i got study that says people who comment on things they have never done or educated themselves on are idiots.

I read the report as well. I find it interesting that it is limited to TEENS and children who use marijuana. People's brains are still growing until they reach the age of, I believe, 17. I would never condone the legal use of marijuana prior to reaching adult age (18? 21?).

I also know there are studies that say that ADULTS who use marijuana report FEWER episodes of depression, thoughts or ideation of suicide, and a HEALTHIER mental outlook.

My guess (and it's just a guess, so please don't start throwing your monitors around) is that these kids in the study were depressed already--probably because the parents are not involved enough in their kids lives to even know their kid is depressed. The report says, "Walters appealed to parents to recognize signs of possible drug use and depression."

I would suggest parents should recognize the signs of depression and that can do wonders to thwart the teens reaching out to illicit drugs to feel loved and to mask the pain that one is feeling and is at the root of depression.

Don't blame bad parenting and parents being too busy to raise their children on pot.

No one ever said that marijuana replaces anything. It enhances an already-together life. I know of no drug that can make everything alright once a person's life has been virtually destroyed by divorce, poverty, lack of ambition, lack of friends, lack of self-control, lack of communication with parents, lack of hearing "I Love You" once in a while, lack of personal power--you get the picture...

Great post, RoseyPots.

And according to westside, we can add headaches to the mix.

This was in the news this morning.
WASHINGTON - Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday.
A teen who has been depressed at some point in the past year is more than twice as likely to have used marijuana as teens who have not reported being depressed — 25 percent compared with 12 percent, said the report by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.
"Marijuana is a more consequential substance of abuse than our culture has treated it in the last 20 years," said John Walters, director of the office. "This is not just youthful experimentation that they'll get over as we used to think in the past."
Smoking marijuana can lead to more serious problems, Walters said in an interview.
For example, using marijuana increases the risk of developing mental disorders by 40 percent, the report said. And teens who smoke pot at least once a month over a yearlong period are three times more likely to have suicidal thoughts than nonusers, it said.
The report also cited research that showed that teens who smoke marijuana when feeling depressed were more than twice as likely as their peers to abuse or become addicted to pot — 8 percent compared with 3 percent.
Experts who have worked with children say there's nothing harmless about marijuana.
"I've seen many, many kids' lives negatively impacted and taken off track because of marijuana," said Elizabeth Stanley-Salazar, director of adolescent services for Phoenix House treatment centers in California. "It's somewhat Russian roulette. There are so many factors, emotional, psychological, biological. You can't predict the experimentation and how it will impact a kid."
The drug control policy office analyzed about a dozen studies looking at marijuana use, including research by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.
Overall, marijuana use among teens has decreased 25 percent since 2001, down to about 2.3 million kids who used pot at least once a month, the drug control office said.
While the drop is encouraging, Walters appealed to parents to recognize signs of possible drug use and depression.
"It's not something you look the other way about when your teen starts appearing careless about their grooming, withdrawing from the family, losing interest in daily activities," Walters said. "Find out what's wrong."

i keep getting headaches from reading hannah and gazettefan's boring posts on this topic every day...in your lifetime marijuana will be legal so start the acceptance now please

oh hannah i bought that cereal, and sprinkled my keef on the top of it for extra flavor :)

A #1 to Portland

F/36/Pro

That's a helluva retort, pal!!!

"dub190" your right and they just hate that. the problem is they want everyone to be just like them. if your not like them then you must be wrong.

Unless he's "normalcitizen".

dub..., you're in no position to tell anyone what to do, because you're obviosly hallucinating, because thekid... isn't back.

For every study saying that marijuana has negative side effects, and is bad for you, there is one stating the opposite. How does one find out the truth? TRY IT! Legalize marijuana! Nice to see you back Kid, I've just been sittin' back and watching how involved Hannah and Gazettefan are with their agenda. Why are you guys so uptight? Go fight with the pedophiles. Leave the victim less criminals alone.

Uh oh, Hannah, you better not eat any of that cereal -- it might make you PARALYZED!

just so you all know. i was at woodmans yesterday. on the endcap of organic row.

Granola and HEMP cereal. that will help your munchies

Willie Nelson isn't the only star, what about Woody Harrelson? The movie "Grass" which he is the narrator.

How about the History channel's "The History of drugs" (a few different topics/episodes including cocaine, extasy, marijuana to name a few)

Also, see the following why the Hearst's and DuPonts wanted it illegal

Industrial Hemp

1. One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton.

2. Hemp paper is longer lasting than wood pulp, stronger, acid-free, and chlorine free. (Chlorine is estimated to cause up to 10% of all Cancers.) Hemp paper can be recycled 7 times, wood pulp 4 times. Hemp fabric requires fewer chemicals than cotton and is stronger and longer lasting.

3. 5-10,000 Cancer related deaths are caused yearly from pesticide use. Cotton uses as much as 40% of all agricultural pesticides. Hemp uses no pesticides and crowds out weeds without herbicides.

4. Cotton has a drinking problem...extensive water subsidies. Hemp requires less water than cotton and grows in cooler climates.

5. Hemp should be worth $500 per acre if used for low end products such as particle board. If higher use products can be developed such as specialty paper and fabrics, the value could be even greater.

6. Hemp is an excellent rotation crop: it crowds out weeds and its deep tap roots break up hard pan soils.

7. Hemp particle board may be up to 2 times stronger than wood particle board and holds nails better.

8. Low-THC fiber hemp varieties developed by the French and others have been available for over 20 years. It is impossible to get high from fiber hemp. Over 600,000 acres of hemp is grown worldwide with no drug misuse problem.

9. In 1941 Henry Ford built a plastic car made of fiber from hemp and wheat straw. Anything made from a hydrocarbon can be made from a carbohydrate. The 21st century should be the era of the carbohydrate (sustainable agricultural products.) Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.

10. Hemp is the world's most versatile fiber. Almost any product that can be made from wood, cotton, or petroleum (including plastics) can be made from hemp. There are more than 25,000 known uses for hemp!

quoted from: http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/woo...

billnewbie,
While it may seem somewhat complicated, in essence, you denounced almost everything thekid was saying because he was not credible. In denouncing everything he has said, you toss aside his arguments as irrelevant. His arguments are, however, largely the same arguments as my own. I can understand if thekid were the only person making these arguments, why a person would be somewhat reluctant to take them seriously. The truth is, I have also been making the arguments, and so far I do not see a reason that I wouldn't be a credible source. That being said, although the character of thekid may seem a bit shaky to you, you can not simply ignore the points he and I have both made. His image may be bad, but clearly he has done his research and the facts do speak for themselves. Of course you have to freedom to not like who he is, just don't let that effect your judgment of the knowledge he passes on.
Also, I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking you in retaliation. I merely wanted to point out that many of thekid's posts were legitimate, and I believe he is fairly credible.

thekai:
You didn't claim a right to break the law. You said you don't use marijuana. You didn't say marijuana saved your life, and that marijuana has had nothing but good effects on you. I was asked what I think and why about the above and more. You didn't ask, I was responding to someone else. You mischaracterize what I wrote as an attack on your credibility and him. I told him why I think he is wrong. I did not question your credibility as I was not addressing to you.

thekid...: Haeight at the smoking ban blog is always posting links to support his claim that smoking in public places is OK. How can anything in those links justify smoking in public places? Are you for that too?

http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2008/feb...

kudos, once again, thekid! I commend your research and your ability to thoughtfully and courageously answer the questions about your life (that I have been too afraid to do) to the "strangers" and objectors here.

I'm out of this comment board too, as it has been argued "to death".

Does libel apply if we're using fake names?

thekid..., if you sue me, please get a stoner lawyer.

you tell me to learn both sides, but again, not one of you KNOWS both sides. and worse you all refuse to LEARN both sides. yo if you make a point gfan YOU need to show me where to get that info. its not my job, and i cant believe you dont understand that you need to substantiate your point of view, not me. cuz if you leave it up to me, ill take option b, and be a lazy pothead and use you as a reason people need the option to get high. ive heard people say our kids will get contact buzzes. ive heard people say im driving around town smoking, not just high, but actively smoking. ive heard the man may get me for trafficking. i get told my story is unbelievable. think about this. i am a successful person, father...youknowthelist...and im admitting to marijuana consumption, on a fairly regular basis. my point is that i do that with no negatives, and im aware the biggest negative would be arrest, dont you think if im risking the ultimate negative, the story im tellin maybe somewhat factual?? not sure if its the marijuana consumption or just the no negatives that are unbelievable, again, come shake my hand, ill prove both;) i hear to take personal responsibility. stop supporting the gangs. the murderers. again, weve posted numerous links to the benefits of marijuana, and you anti-potters wont even look at them and ask 'what if?' legalize the drug you take the profit from the gangs. you take the profit from the gangs you take their motive for murder. i dont see how it can be any clearer. and i need to take personal responsibility?? i hear you judge us cuz were morally irrresponsible for breaking a law. then someone points out that alcohol prohibition was overcome. ask yerselve, did they change that law because people followed the law?? NOPE. you can drink today because people were doing then in mass what i and other smokers are doing, which is blatantly and openly breaking an ignorant law. peace, im out.

excellent post thekai. how do you argue logic?? id like to say one last thing then im out of this discussion. since this whole discussion started ive heard pretty much nothin but negatives regarding my lifestyle, and even those who just believe in my lifestyle. you anti-potters make claims of all these negatives, and back up very few. you say things to 'help' your side about willie nelson, or jokes about oreos or doritos, which doesnt help your side. cuz if thats really your worries, then i cant believe were even having a discussion on why pot is illegal. as for this being an actual discussion.....i dont have the attention span to go back and look at my posts where ive acknowledged the potential negatives, but one last time, im aware they exist. are they potential?? yup, cuz i havent seen one yet. can i find info to contradict most of the potential negatives, yup. but i DO acknowledge them. ive also acknowledged when good points have been made on that side. you anti-potters are a dift story. thekai, fldman, myself, dub, sweet and all the other supporters have put more than enough links up here supporting what were saying. have any of them been acknowledged?? nope. not once did i see an anti-potter say, OMFG, MY MOM HAS BREAST CANCER, IT MAY HALT THE SPREAD OF THAT?? ITS TO LATE FOR HER, BUT SOME DAY MY DAUGHTER.....not once did i hear any anti-potter say, wow kid thats a good point 'what if i get cancer and pot made me feel better, dont i want that option??' no instead i hear, kid you need to read both sides, learn both sides then decide, dont just stop reading when you find the answer you want. i told you i know both sides ive read both sides, and you say again kid learn both sides. do you understand yet why i may lump you in as a hypocrite??

I wonder if Ann Murray eats poutine.

thanks, thekai and thekid (and others) for all of your wonderful posts in support of legalization.

billnewbie, gazettefan and jsvlparkergrad (and others) have had quite a time with countering your information.

I, as I have stated before, am definitely on the pro-legalization side of this fence. I'm pleased that I live in America for this main reason: our right to free speech and our right to state our positions and have an opinion (regardless of whether anyone else agrees with us or not) without risk of persecution-legally, anyway.

(There are many other reasons I am happy to be an American, :) of course, one of them is that I can distance myself from Anne Murray and poutine.)

no, hannah. I am not saying that.

You are entitled to your opinion as much as anyone. I apologize if I offended you.

billnewbie,
What makes my posts not credible? I share almost all of the same view points as thekid. Does that then validate his view points? I don't smoke Marijuana. I don't buy it, traffic it, manufacture it, or distribute it in any way. It is interesting how you all attack thekid and say he must be wrong, because of his "twisted" perception of things... but when a sober person produces the same arguments, that sober person is over looked. Maybe it's because it's easier to pick on someone who looks weak. Maybe it's easier to point out his flaws. The fact that he and I are in agreement on many topics, and we can both provide evidence, should be enough to prove that his statements are indeed credible. (Using your logic about the lack of credibility, because he uses Marijuana.)
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State laws permitting segregation were in the North as well as the South. Racism existed in the North, even though we fought for the emancipation of African Americans. Most Americans still regarded African Americans, Mexicans, and other immigrants as "racially inferior." It took African Americans almost 200 years before they were finally recognized as equals to "whites". Marijuana has been illegal for less than 100 years.

now I am negative person because I dont agree with you guys wanting it to be legal? Whatever I am done

thats funny sassy:)

good questin hannah. one thats been asked several times of me. ill figure that out if im ever forced to quit smoking pot:)

great posts, as usual, thekid!

hannah, I'm glad you stopped using marijuana. If you were on our side of this topic, it would appear that marijuana affects a person negatively. Please, don't smoke pot again.

you went from alcohol abusing to pot smoking. How do you kknow you cant deall with life after alcohol if you havent tried.

gfan, is that an ignorant stereotype?? or have you seen me 'bouncing around with a big giant blunt in my face'. or is that libel?? i was actually giving you kudos for the mime joke. and i know the risk of the man, ive stated im well aware of it. but if you are going to imply that i traffick, which is a federal offense, then you better have some proof, cuz that IS libel. i buy what i need for myself and myself only.

billnewbie, im gonna type this slowly so maybe you can understand this time:)willful ignorance?? i never said we pot smokers as a whole dont support the 'gangsters'. in fact ive agreed several times. i know i personally dont, but i understand your point. how can you not comprehend that if it was legal we wouldnt have to?? again, al capone anyone?? as for pot saving my life unbelievable. or not a single negative unbelievable. i understand what youre saying. had you told me 4 years ago where id be, and how id get there in life, i would have prolly said unbelievable too. but now that i know what i know, and LIVE LIKE I LIVE, its not unbelievable. its as real as anything ive ever done....

thekid..., my wording was right-on.

You bouncing around town with a big giant blunt sticking in your face is an example of how any positive development for pot use is being impeded.

kid wrote"i have yet to be asked something from my past im unaware of,

how would you know if you dont remember it to begin with?

thekid3477:
Your claim that marijuana saved you is unbelievable. Your claim that marijuana's effects on you are all good is unbelievable.
Your claim that you have a right to break the law as long as you accept the consequences is a product of confused thinking. Your refusal to acknowledge your dealings with the gangsters who supply your marijuana is willful ignorance, or worse. All of that leaves you with large scale credibility problems.

thekid..., here's a negative you might be looking at: The Man knocking on your door to arrest you for trafficking.

gfan, that made me smile. bravo. no im not a mime, sorta the opposite;) i was raised catholic, but i dont practice. my kids are methodist and i completely encourage and support that my ex is giving them that option. did you ever find a link to one of those studies you mentioned??;)

"You are not free to choose which laws you obey."

Yes. We ALL have a choice whether or not to OBEY laws. I guess I choose to break this law. I would be willing to wager that YOU ALL have CHOSEN to break a law from time to time. Driving 26 MPH in a 25 MPH zone is breaking the law, whether you choose to admit it or not. And whether local LE chooses to enforce it or not...

As was brought up in earlier posts, Dane County is seeking to de-criminalize possession of marijuana in personal consumption quantities (I believe an ounce or less). Yes, the guy in this story was deserving of the possession with intent to deliver charges.

I'm not in denial about my actions. I effectively use my common sense that dictates that from time to time marijuana is not going to be a threat to my personal safety, the safety of my family or friends and that I am not on the roads driving while under the influence and putting other's lives at risk due to my use.

As far as choosing a surgeon, hannah, I have answered the question. If a person is a good doctor, attorney or cook and chooses to smoke pot in his/her private life, it is of NO concern to me. If a person, on the other hand, is a hack of a doctor, an ambulance chasing attorney, or cook with bad personal hygiene, for example, and chooses NOT to smoke pot in his/her personal life, it is of concern to me and I would seek services elsewhere.

To state it in no uncertain terms: whether a person is a pot smoker IN HIS/HER PERSONAL LIFE I don't care.

What I DO care about is whether the person I trust with my affairs (health/wellness, legal or financial matters, personal services like food preparation, etc) will do the job as expected and to the standards acceptable in his/her industry. If someone who provided their service to me chose to smoke pot last night or last week is completely irrelevant.

THAT single criteria alone (whether or not a person smokes pot) is not a reason to question a person's ability to perform effectively on their project.

I wouldn't ask for a surgeon to submit to a drug test. Would you, hannah?

schedule I narcotics arent just 'prone' to abuse. schedule I narcotics (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other