‘So much up in the air’ as Edgerton firefighters return
EDGERTON No one seems to know exactly what will happen when three paid, full-time firefighters return to the Edgerton Fire Protection District this week.
Volunteers don’t know how work will be divided. Officials don’t know if volunteers will show up at the station. The paid employees don’t know what kind of terms they’re working under.
“There’s so much up in the air about how it will all work,” Assistant Fire Chief Ryan Beckwith said.
Even the firefighters’ schedule might change in the coming week, said Patrick Kilbane, representative for the International Association of Firefighters, the employees’ union.
For now, each man is scheduled for a 48-hour shift followed by four days off, Kilbane said.
Mark Backes starts today, followed by Arnie Lund on Tuesday and Ken Crandall on Thursday. Previously, the men had rotated 48-hour shifts and 24-hour ones.
The union is talking to the fire district about the schedule, but that’s not a major issue, Kilbane said. Looming larger are upcoming contract negotiations, which could start in early January, Kilbane said.
The men didn’t have a contract when they were fired in June 2003, even though they had joined a union in November 2002. In fact, the union and commission didn’t sit down once to negotiate a contract after the union submitted a proposal in February 2003, Kilbane said.
Backes, Crandall and Lund said joining the union was what got them fired, though the district said it did so for budgetary reasons.
Kilbane predicted wages will be the most contentious issue in the upcoming negotiations.
“It’s always about money when it gets down to it,” he said.
Meanwhile, the union’s attorney, John Kiel, has started negotiating back-pay issues with the fire district’s attorney, Richard Grant, Kilbane said.
Both attorneys have been making calculations of how much the men are owed, and Kilbane thinks they’re making progress, he said.
For now, Backes, the first firefighter to return today, believes he will have the same duties as before: cleaning the station, maintaining equipment, taking calls and performing other day-to-day tasks that come up between fire calls, he said.
Those are jobs the volunteers have been performing for the last four years. Now, the volunteers don’t know what they’re supposed to do, Beckwith said.
“We haven’t been told much of anything that’s been going on,” he said.
Many of the volunteers are angry the full-time employees are returning to the station, Beckwith said. He counts himself as one of them.
“The place is running fine for four years without them,” he said. “It’s kind of frustrating, knowing they’ll be coming back when the volunteers have been doing everything for free on their own time.”
Normally, volunteers show up at the fire station during their free time to take care of the station and equipment, but Beckwith doesn’t know if anyone will show up this week.
He wouldn’t be surprised if some volunteers resign, although he hadn’t heard of any resignations as of Thursday, he said.
Kilbane said most of the volunteers he’s spoken to are happy for the full-time employees.
“The ones that I’ve talked to are extremely happy that (the full-time employees) are coming back and are happy about the fact that these guys will be doing a lot of what (the commission has) been asking these volunteers to do since they left,” he said.
Chief John Gietzel said he, for one, supports the employees.
“I think basically things should go on as normal to the best of everyone’s ability,” he said. “Everybody should perform their jobs for the good of the community.”
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The issue: Mark Backes, Ken Crandall and Arnie Lund were the only paid, full-time employees at the Edgerton Fire Protection District when they were fired in 2003. The district said they were let go for budgetary reasons, but the men said they were fired for joining a union.
The men and their union, the International Association of Firefighters, filed suit with the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission. WERC ruled the men reinstated with back pay. The ruling was upheld through several appeals, and the Wisconsin Supreme Court declined to hear the case Nov. 6.
On Nov. 14, the fire district commission voted to reinstate the men.
What’s new: The employees are scheduled to return to work this week. Backes will work today and Monday; Lund will work Tuesday and Wednesday, and Crandall will work Thursday and Friday.
What’s next: The commission plans to appoint a negotiator at its Thursday meeting to assist its attorney, Richard Grant, in dealing with the employees and their union. Attorneys for the district and the union are negotiating back pay, and contract negotiations might begin in January.

Dec 8, 2007 at 9:44 p.m.
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We are all supposed to be adults. So why can't we all act like adults and face the fact that businesses make business decisions. Sometime that means job eliminations. It happens everyday. Palmdogg69, you say I would sing a different tune if it were my job on the line. Well, I have gone through job reductions, more than once. I have survived. I did not hide behind a union to try to keep my job. I did not sue the company to keep my job. I just started looking for a new job and got one every time. The 3 full time employees also got new jobs. That should have been the end of it. I was not fired for performance issues, nor were the 3 full time employees. I did not take the layoffs personally, but it seems that these employees did. They are now using the union to get more money. The union should be for firefighters. These 3 are not firefighters. What is the union even doing here in Edgerton. I say, Grow up and act like an adult!
Dec 8, 2007 at 12:54 p.m.
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Good postings.
Does the fire board members get paid? If so, anyone know how much? What about the chairman? Does the chairman get a meeting stipend or a salary?
It does seem to be very wasteful (again) if the reinstated full-time firefighters are only doing janatorial work.
Dec 8, 2007 at 12:29 p.m.
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All I gotta say to all you naysayers about the paid firefighters, is that if it was your job on the line you'd be singing a different tune! Peace
Dec 6, 2007 at 9:47 a.m.
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Well said mspcky!
Dec 3, 2007 at 1:50 p.m.
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To answer your question oldtimer, basically these three men will be paid glorified janitors. And did anyone else notice that they joined the union in November of 2002 and were fired in June of 2003. That's 7 months before they were let go. The lawsuit they filed makes it sound like they joined the union one day and were fired the next. Plus two of them retired and now the city has to pay to reinstate them. What kind of sense does that make? None! I commend the volunteers for all of the hard "unpaid" work they've done with the department and for the community.
Dec 3, 2007 at 9:01 a.m.
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I would like to know just what these three paid fireman do on a daily basis, do they maintain equipment etc just exactly what do they do all day waiting for a fire call, They sound a little arrogant to me, I would like to see them account for their time.
Dec 2, 2007 at 10:52 a.m.
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I had to search for past articles to find just how poorly the Board volunteers have handled this issue of safety for the area.
First off, all the communities that comprise the Fire District that have conducted a referendum have - overwhelmingly - supported the 3 firefighters that were fired.
Secondly, Milton seems to be moving forward with protecting public safety, while Edgerton has an agenda that serves their Fire Board, and not the general public.
Thirdly, if the intentions of the Edgerton Fire Board were as pure in their explanation as to why they terminated their full-time firemen, and their legal counsel was so confident that their decision would be legally upheld, then why now, after losing every legal challenge, why keep this attorney on retainer as the court has consistently ruled against this guy? This attorney for the Fire Board is clearly not capable of negotiating a union contract now that he has been completely humiliated.
Fourthly, the article quotes Asst Chief Beckwith saying he expects other volunteer firemen to quit over reinstating the 3 full-time firemen. Why? Seems to me that the volunteers ought to demand the entire Fire Board resign, quit, or terminate themselves, for costing the communities so much money in a fraudulent legal challenge.
Lastly, I recall a Gazette editorial that opined on this issue early-on, and did it not suggest that the chairman of the Fire Board resign?
Perhaps it is not the chairman's fault for simply following poor legal advice. But when a case loses each and every legal appeal and the WI Supreme Court rejects hearing the case, then someone's head should roll. If not the legal counsel, then the Fire Board Chairman - and if the Board has a conscience, the entire Fire Board should resign.
But those volunteers, it is not their fault. It is not their fight. They should accept their firefighter brothers back with open arms.
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